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Quick and Dirty Grill 319

Just a no frills grill..

1. BA has the A’s prospect list up. The order is different from the Sickles and Goldstein lists. There will be a chat at 11:30 for subscribers. Let me know if you want me to submit any questions.

2. Ron Paul hit it out of the FKing Park. I mean literally hit a home run.

3. To follow up on yesterday’s discussion of shrooms, some interesting research on MDMA and PTSD and antisocial disorders

319 thoughts on “Quick and Dirty Grill

  1. SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 9:45 am

    Thanks for the grill.

    I thought about putting one up, but nothing I’ve been looking at this morning has been SFW or of general community interest.

    \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • Jennifer Jan 25,2012 1:26 pm || Up

      That’s the best stuff.

      • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 2:53 pm || Up

        You would have been interested in the medical stuff, but it’s nothing you haven’t seen before.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
  2. monkeyball Jan 25,2012 9:46 am

    2. Glad to see that he pursued INDIVIDUAL LIBERTAH by eschewing a batting helmet.

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 10:37 am || Up

      FNOB FTW

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 25,2012 3:07 pm || Up

      In all seriousness, that’s a pretty sweet looking swing Paul has there. Also, nice ass.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  3. 5Aces Jan 25,2012 10:51 am

    I was going to post a long rant about hating having to take care of manager busy work (monthly call listening, year end reviews, etc). Then i thought about the fact that some pretty awesome FKers over the past year or two have had to rant about not finding jobs to hate. So instead let me state that I should be eternally greatful for a role that lets me work from home with sort of flexible hours and people I enjoy working with for the most part.

    I still hate listening to customer calls though…

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 12:41 pm || Up

      I wish I had a job I hated to give up to somebody who was looking for a job to hate.

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
  4. wacchampions Jan 25,2012 10:54 am

    I prefer my grill slow and clean…

  5. grover Jan 25,2012 11:02 am

    I asked BA about IFA’s and Soler, so hopefully that topic is covered.

    • aardvark Jan 25,2012 2:39 pm || Up

      Looks like it didn’t get answered. What exactly was the question?

  6. No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 25,2012 11:13 am

    Hmm. It appears that I no longer will be able to access FK at work, as it apparently is a security threat to my computer/network. “IP address is either verified as a bot or has misconfigured DNS.” Given what a pain it is to check/post on FK from the iPhone and the lack of free time I have at home, I shall be participating much less, except for maybe Mondays.

    A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
    • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 11:34 am || Up

      Bizarre. Misconfigured DNS?

      I’ll open a support ticket and see what they say.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 25,2012 12:59 pm || Up

        My spidey sense tells me that the TPTB blocked access for spending too much time here (not inaccurately) but the filters here, as I’ve said before, are getting increasingly weird, so who the FK knows?

        Banned at the OC, blocked from visiting here, I am The Man Without an A’s Blog. /Edward Everett Hale

        A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
        • elcroata Jan 25,2012 1:43 pm || Up

          :(

          Because survival is insufficient
          • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 26,2012 9:02 am || Up

            Hmm…appears I have access this morning. Hopefully it lasts.

            A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
            • nevermoor Jan 26,2012 10:03 am || Up

              Maybe the DNS refresh our host did helped.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  7. danmerqury Jan 25,2012 11:18 am

    Wow, Peacock ahead of Gray and Cole? I’m surprised. Sure, he’s closer to the majors, but Baseball America’s never been one to weigh that as strongly as others.

    • stranahanahan Jan 25,2012 11:28 am || Up

      Maybe they think he’s ready and can hold his own. Even though Sickels is a bit lower on Peacock, in a recent thread he said he thought that Peacock could hold his own in the majors right now if he gets the job out of ST.

  8. monkeyball Jan 25,2012 11:27 am

    OMIP jazz clarinet for the Funeral Potatoes

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • JediLeroy Jan 25,2012 7:56 pm || Up

      What’s up with all the missing #JLBait tags?

      az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
      • monkeyball Jan 26,2012 5:33 am || Up

        I figured with the FP you didn’t need one.

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • Poppy Jan 25,2012 10:31 pm || Up

      “OM?”

      There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
      • ptbnl Jan 25,2012 10:46 pm || Up

        It’s the new IC.

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
        • Poppy Jan 25,2012 10:49 pm || Up

          …except that I know what IC stands for.

          There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
          • andeux Jan 25,2012 10:55 pm || Up

            On mission.
            Didn’t you get the secret mb decoder ring?

            TINSTAAFK
            • Poppy Jan 25,2012 11:00 pm || Up

              Yeah, but it just kept giving me some weird message about Ovaltine.

              There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
          • colin Jan 26,2012 6:54 am || Up

            integrated circuit?

  9. Future Ed Jan 25,2012 11:33 am

    grain and salt warnings:

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • colin Jan 25,2012 11:35 am || Up

      Aren’t the Red Sox making a big push for him? They should be.

      • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 11:40 am || Up

        I am not sure what boston is up to. I am not the most front officy guy, but Scutaro for Mortonson, then signing Ross doesn’t seem like there is a solid plan in place.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • grover Jan 25,2012 11:42 am || Up

        They salary dumped Scoot to free up enough $$$ to pursue Oswalt.

  10. JamesV Jan 25,2012 12:07 pm
  11. Future Ed Jan 25,2012 12:26 pm

    I know its not pile on Willard time, but this:

    When you are a multi-multi-millionaire, I can think of millions of people who could do your laundry. Isn’t Romney taking away jobs by washing his own clothes? First he outsourced American jobs, destroyed companies while the CEO at Bain Capital – now his quirky down-homeness is denying a gig to a professional fluff and folder.

    is exactly his problem. I remember questioning why we expected someone else to take out our trash when we could easily dump it at the end of the hall. One of my supervisors, said, yeah, but do you really want to pay the City Manager to take out his trash? He has better things to do with his time.

    Same is true for Mitt, if he would just say, yeah, I am rich, I don’t work, but I have all these great ideas, I think he would be more liked.

    Personally, I don’t want my president doing laundry, or clearing hedges.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 12:27 pm || Up

      *At my job out of college I remember…

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • monkeyball Jan 25,2012 12:31 pm || Up

      FAIL

      The proper riposte there is: Mitt, laundering his money

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 25,2012 3:15 pm || Up

      Funny story. The very last communication from Robert Bobb to City of Oakland staff was a directive on June 29, 2003 that effective immediately there would be no more trash pickup in offices and cubicles; employees had to empty their own. The next morning Jerry fired him.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 3:17 pm || Up

        hmmm. I wonder if Paula is Jerry Brown?

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  12. nevermoor Jan 25,2012 12:34 pm

    So for people who have been having login problems (and for PDX’s problem loading at work) one thing our host’s tech support suggested is flushing the DNS cache on your computer.


    Here are their instructions
    .

    Let me know if that does/doesn’t help.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 25,2012 1:03 pm || Up

      Didn’t work.

      A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
      • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 1:12 pm || Up

        Hmm… Maybe they really are just blocking it.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 25,2012 3:18 pm || Up

          I had a situation for awhile where the work internet screening software, I forget which brand, ID’d FK as a porn site and blocked it. I submitted a reclassification request (through the link to the vendor, not to my employer AFAIK) and they decided we weren’t porny enough, and my access was restored.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • elcroata Jan 25,2012 3:20 pm || Up

            I shouldn’t have covered them nipples

            Because survival is insufficient
          • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 25,2012 4:25 pm || Up

            It looks like the determination was made internally, not by the software, so, yeH, I’m being blocked.

            A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
  13. aardvark Jan 25,2012 1:09 pm

    From the chat:

    Sean Doolittle’s converted to pitching full-time now.

    I didn’t realize that he was being converted back. He’ll have to develop quickly.

  14. Future Ed Jan 25,2012 1:48 pm

    Quotes are more like, he is a team leader and intangibles!. But I will take it.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 25,2012 1:52 pm || Up

      On a scale of 1-Jeter, how calm are vinyl’s eyes compared to CD’s?

      Also,

      “Digital is zeroes and ones, man, anyway you look at it,” explained Chuck Leavell

      • andeux Jan 25,2012 2:15 pm || Up

        … whereas analog technology is a magical process with infinite dynamic range, infinite bandwidth, and perfectly flat amplitude and phase response curves that results in a perfect reproduction of sound.
        Sigh.

        TINSTAAFK
        • danmerqury Jan 25,2012 2:21 pm || Up

          I’d love to see what happens if recording engineers and masterers started mixing the vinyl version identically to the digital version. So the only difference between the two is the mediums.

          • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 2:23 pm || Up

            right. The taste of new coke SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 2:57 pm || Up

              I liked new Coke a lot better than the original. It tasted like RC Cola.

              \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
              • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 2:58 pm || Up

                taste testers agreed with you.

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • elcroata Jan 25,2012 3:02 pm || Up

        I am your father!

        Because survival is insufficient
        • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 3:04 pm || Up

          I worked at used record shops from the late 80s to the mid 90s. When we started selling CD’s to people at horribly inflated prices, I would often tell the customer after a purchase “Enjoy your 8-track”

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • colin Jan 25,2012 2:18 pm || Up

      I have a pretty large record collection, but all the stuff about hearing the difference is bullshit. I got into records because you could buy them for really cheap. Now I’m stuck on records because of totally irrational lust for the physical object. At no point have I ever thought that they sounded better.

      • danmerqury Jan 25,2012 2:26 pm || Up

        See, that I can absolutely respect. But to claim that vinyl sounds superior? It’s, frankly, bullshit.

        • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 2:27 pm || Up

          I don’t play records and CDs through the same equipment so I would never know. Plus, my sensibilities are such that if I ever did think there was a difference and it mattered to me I would have to punch myself in the throat.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • DFA Jan 25,2012 2:37 pm || Up

          Can I point out that we experience sound as individuals so whether or not digital technically sounds as good as vinyl doesn’t matter if we experiance better sound it is better. Who cares whether that reason is rational.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • danmerqury Jan 25,2012 2:39 pm || Up

            Sure, you could, but that’s not going to stop me from saying when you’re wrong.

            • DFA Jan 25,2012 2:41 pm || Up

              How can you say that my experiance is wrong?

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • danmerqury Jan 25,2012 2:43 pm || Up

                “Free Kraut’s background is orange.”

                “No, it’s clearly white.”

                “I experience sight as an individual, so whether or not it’s white or orange, it doesn’t matter because I experience it as orange.”

                • DFA Jan 25,2012 2:47 pm || Up

                  If I have some visual disability that inverts colors how would that be wrong?

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:01 pm || Up

                  Because!

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 25,2012 3:05 pm || Up

                  Because you are no longer referencing the tacitly agreed upon notion of “white” and “orange” (i.e. the wavelengths we all decide to deem a certain color). Your experience there isn’t invalid and you’re not a liar or anything, but you are not conforming to the facts and agreed-upon reality. So in that sense, you are wrong. You would be seeing special DFA-White, not actual white.

                  Likewise for the sound issue here, it would be DFA-Better, not actually better. The sound stimuli between digital and analog are the exact same, but the receiver (i.e. you) is interpreting them differently. You are wrong that the sound stimuli is better, but not that you perceive it as better.

                • DFA Jan 25,2012 3:14 pm || Up

                  Why should I care about actually better if its not DFA better?

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 25,2012 4:15 pm || Up

                  Not saying you should. Just saying that the progression needs to be “I perceive it as better, therefore I don’t care if it’s actually better” rather than “I perceive it as better, therefore it is actually better.”

                  You’re fine in the first progression, and wrong in the second. The first one recognizes that the difference lies with you (the receiver of sound) and your internal wiring/psychoses, while the second one equates the difference on your end with difference on the stimulus’s end.

                • andeux Jan 25,2012 4:27 pm || Up

                  TINSTAAFK
                • DFA Jan 25,2012 4:36 pm || Up

                  if if the goal for actually better is that it is percieved better I think im good either way.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 25,2012 5:40 pm || Up

                  “Actually better” doesn’t rely on perception. Something is actually better if it’s better by an objective standard. Your subjective state doesn’t come into play there. So the goal of “actually better” really isn’t “perceived better” (although that’s usually the result).

                  However, I don’t think you’re arguing that here, and instead are saying that if you perceive it to be better then it doesn’t matter if it’s actually better, which, while true, doesn’t make for a very interesting philosophical discussion.

                • dmoas Jan 25,2012 6:45 pm || Up

                  Nah, I’m with DFA on all of this. Better is subjective in every way. It’s solely an attribute of the individual. Now, I’d argue that such an opinion is best based on blind testing, but it’s still solely based on one’s individual perception and nothing more.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 25,2012 8:29 pm || Up

                  So do you think there’s no such thing as objectivity in general? Or do you just believe subjectivity to be inseparable from comparisons where ‘better’ is the standard being used?

                  If ‘better’ is totally subjective in every measurement, then it’s a meaningless word. I don’t think that’s the case. Like for most words, there’s a tacit agreement in society in general about the underlying meaning of the word, but you can have objective (and therefore ‘actual’) standards for ‘better’ in a lot of cases.

                • dmoas Jan 25,2012 8:40 pm || Up

                  Better is subjective in every measurement, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t things that are near universally agreed to be better giving it, on some level, giving it a sense of objectivity. You’ll always find someone out there that won’t agree that something is better. That’s just always going to be the case about anything.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 25,2012 9:02 pm || Up

                  Well, everything’s subjective in the sense that we can’t ‘know’ anything, but once you start going down that path, you end up at a solipsistic impasse. We operate under societal definitions that you agree to simply by being born into the society and learning language. That’s how we can make statements like “the sky is blue” and have them mean something.

                  When we talk about ‘better’ we imply an audience (better for whom), and that audience, unless otherwise specified, is society or humanity. Sure, anything can be better for an individual, but when the audience for that instance of ‘better’ is an individual, we’re not talking about “actually better” anymore. The scope of the word has changed.

                • dmoas Jan 25,2012 9:12 pm || Up

                  Except something like “blue” or “sky” or even language all have a tacit definition in the “rose by any other name is still a rose” sense. “Better” is a scale on a rating. It’s hierarchical by it’s very essence making it purely a subject term. Even if society as a whole beliefs something to be better, doesn’t mean another society may completely disagree with it whereas someone pointing to the sky in one society and calling it blue will be universal, even if the other society has an independent word/utterance/burp/click/whatever to represent that wavelength.

                • ptbnl Jan 25,2012 10:24 pm || Up

                  Better is subjective in every measurement

                  No. Once you’ve agreed on a measurement you’ve chosen a metric, and “better” is defined as “greater than on that metric’s scale.”

                  The ambiguity is in the choice of metric, and you can always choose one simply to support the case you wish to make.

                  However if you want to advance that case to a wider public, then it is reasonable for that public to question the value to your case – or to discussion in general – of choosing that particular metric above all others.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 26,2012 9:32 am || Up

                  Right, like ptbnl said. Better exists as a comparator. Something is better than something else if it more fully fulfills the criteria you’re measuring. Certain criteria are more subjective than others, but once the criteria have been established, you (often) can have objective measurements.

                  Certainly, there is a lot of disagreement in practice when people compare things, but I would argue that more of the time that is based on failing to understand the criteria of measurement rather than a disagreement over the rankings within that measurement. It wouldn’t be accurate to look at all that disagreement and claim that all hierarchy is subjective simply because language is imprecise.

                • dmoas Jan 26,2012 8:37 pm || Up

                  When you start talking about criteria, you’re creating a subjective decision on how to classify valuation. Now you may, as a group, agree upon what subjective measures to use to make that classification in an effort to create something more objective, but the reality is the base component for establishing something as better will always have a subjective base.

                • DFA Jan 25,2012 6:57 pm || Up

                  What defines actually better than? If its more percise but makes the listener less happy is that better?

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 25,2012 8:40 pm || Up

                  We’re getting into two different types of ‘better’ here. If medium A is superior to medium B for the features on which you judge a medium (such as sound quality for audio), then A is actually better than medium B.

                  If, for whatever reason, medium B brings an individual more happiness, then it may be existentially better for that individual (if happiness given is the standard on which the individual judges ‘better’), but it is still not ‘better’ in general.

                  For example, if you have an old, ugly, threadbare childhood blanket, and tell me it’s a better blanket than my new, stylish, super-warm blanket, I’m going to say you’re wrong, because the features we judge blankets on as a society are ones such as ability to keep someone warm and looks, not “happiness of memories associated with it for DFA.” However, if you tell me you like your childhood blanket better or value it more, that’s perfectly acceptable and understandable, as you’re confining your scope to the individual, not all of society.

                • dmoas Jan 25,2012 8:44 pm || Up

                  Then how do you define “better” in general? What rules do you apply in order to come to that conclusion? Odds are it’s simply a heavily subjectively agreed upon measures that are quite clearly not universal given that you’re finding someone who’s subjective measures disagrees with this “standard.”

                • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 8:47 pm || Up

                  I am not reading this entire subthread, so pardon, but isn’t it a semantic thing that we are talking about 2 different kinds of better?

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • dmoas Jan 25,2012 8:58 pm || Up

                  Depends. How do you calculate better?

                • DFA Jan 25,2012 10:22 pm || Up

                  if its about a societal definition of “better” then how do you explain a pretty large contingent of society believing that vynl is better?

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • ptbnl Jan 25,2012 10:27 pm || Up

                  @DFA What, society is monolithic now?

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • DFA Jan 25,2012 11:17 pm || Up

                  nope. but if you use UM’s definition it causes problems.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • colin Jan 26,2012 7:07 am || Up

                  @dmoas I think the only objective definition of “better” that you could use for recorded sound would be accurate reproduction of the original performance. By this definition, CDs are at least as good as vinyl (the “warm” sound that people like with vinyl is a distortion of the original sound).

                  But for the case of both CDs and vinyl, the dominant inaccuracy is probably going to come from other steps in the playback chain (or even from poor recording technique). So I would claim that either medium is sufficiently good for nearly all music listening applications.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 26,2012 9:44 am || Up

                  @DFA I don’t think I’ve been wording my argument very well if you think that I’m claiming that ‘better’ is a majority rule kind of thing. If I’ve been saying that anything is majority-based in this discussion, it would be the metrics we assume to be important when making a general ‘better’ comparison, unless we state otherwise.

                  In general, people are bad at articulating what metrics they are comparing things on. That’s where a lot of the confusion and disagreement comes from. For the vinyl v. CDs argument for example, the confusion comes from one group arguing that vinyl isn’t better (comparison based, like colin said, on how accurately it reproduces the original performance), and one group arguing that it is (comparison based on how it sounds to their own personal selves – something that is 100% subjective and therefore silly to argue about). The two groups there are really talking past each other.

                • DFA Jan 26,2012 11:25 am || Up

                  @Colin But what if people prefer the warm sound. Why shouldn’t what gives people joy when listening to the music be the standard rather than how faithful the reproduction is?

                  @UM I agree.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • dmoas Jan 26,2012 8:41 pm || Up

                  @Colin Two issues. 1) You are now establishing, subjectively (though fairly), what constitutes a better sound. 2) No two people have the same listening experience so even based to that parameter of recreating a live sound (some seldom done in studios these days) that live experience will differ between different people, one of whom may think mp3/cd audio does that better, another may think vinyl will do that better. Even under those parameters, there’s no basis of fact, only subjective opinion.

                • colin Jan 27,2012 5:00 am || Up

                  @dmoas I honestly can’t think of any other objective criteria that could be used. Of course there is no reason to think that achieving the most accurate sound reproduction will lead to the most enjoyable listening. But if there’s a particular warm sound that you’re interested in, you could start with a near perfect reproduction and then just add a bit of filtering/distortion at the output.

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 27,2012 7:01 am || Up

                  @colin- you nailed it. If you want “warmth,” you can add it.

                  I still admire Steve Albini and his all-analog studio, but his sound comes from his rooms and his microphones and engineering skills, not the analog tape and mastering to metal disc.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • ptbnl Jan 25,2012 4:01 pm || Up

                  One of you has read all the comments and the other hasn’t?

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
            • andeux Jan 25,2012 2:42 pm || Up

              I think we’re missing a good opportunity to sell an expensive piece of equipment that adds “warmth” (aka white noise) to digital sound.

              TINSTAAFK
              • danmerqury Jan 25,2012 2:46 pm || Up

                The new HTC Rezound phone that has Beats Audio built in just throws all of your music into a pre-set EQ filter. Most Creative computer sound cards come with a “Crystallizer” that is supposed to remove MP3 distortion. They’re waaaaay ahead of you.

          • monkeyball Jan 25,2012 2:39 pm || Up

            Can I point out that we experience baseball games as individuals so whether or not players technically perform as good as others doesn’t matter if we experience better baseball it is better. Who cares whether that reason is rational.

            you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • DFA Jan 25,2012 2:42 pm || Up

              I have never said otherwise. Claims as to what baseball players/actions make an idividual happy I have never disputed. Though generally enough people experiance wins in a happy way that figuring out what makes a team win is absolutely relevant and important

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 2:59 pm || Up

                Experiencing wins in a happy way is so important that MLB should have all 30 of its’ teams play 162 home games against nothing but traveling patsy clubs to beat down and score lots of runs off of.

                The four or six or eight teams with the best records make the playoffs, unless a team goes 162-0, in which case the playoffs are eschewed and the perfect team is declared the perfect champion.

                \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • DFA Jan 25,2012 3:09 pm || Up

                  I wouldn’t enjoy not real competition. Also what about the fans of the patsy teams?

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 3:15 pm || Up

                  Who would root for a touring team with no home games, other than some crazy bastard like me?

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 26,2012 9:11 am || Up
                  A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
          • PaulThomas Jan 25,2012 6:10 pm || Up

            So, if I experience Jeff Francoeur as a better outfielder than Nick Swisher, it doesn’t matter that he isn’t one?

            Odd argument, especially coming from you.

            • dmoas Jan 25,2012 6:49 pm || Up

              Still can be true based solely on your perception of what constitutes being a better player. It’ll *never* be universally (nor wildly) accepted, ever. But if that’s your belief, it’s your belief.

            • DFA Jan 25,2012 6:58 pm || Up

              If you enjoy watching Jeff Francoeur play more than Nick Swisher yes if you don’t care about winning he is better.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 8:40 pm || Up

                Was that some sort of Foxworthy-esque “You May Be A Royals’ Fan” joke?

                \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 25,2012 8:43 pm || Up

                  If you like being able to add 25 new jerseys to your collection every single year, you may be an A’s fan.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
            • Englishmajor Jan 25,2012 7:02 pm || Up

              Has Nick Swisher ever thrown a ball with $100 attached into the opposing team’s bleachers? I think not!

              • elcroata Jan 25,2012 10:59 pm || Up

                Frenchy has?

                Because survival is insufficient
                • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 11:05 pm || Up
                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Kylianna Jan 26,2012 12:48 am || Up

                  …I think he is now and forever my hero.

                • wacchampions Jan 26,2012 12:49 am || Up

                  Yeah I actually saw this happen at the game, and I couldnt believe it..

                • elcroata Jan 26,2012 12:51 am || Up

                  Was there any reasoning behind it? Or, just for the hell of it?

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • wacchampions Jan 26,2012 12:54 am || Up

                  It was because some of the crew from the Right Field Bleachers had given him some bacon goodies the night before, they were having a bacon night and he asked them what they were doing and they told him, he said that he wanted some, so after the game was over the took him a plate…He told them that he would surprise them the next day and that is what he did, he threw like 5 or 6 balls up into the RF Bleachers with $100 Bills wrapped on them…the inscription on the balls says something like, “The first beer or bacon dog is on me”…

                • elcroata Jan 26,2012 12:56 am || Up

                  What an awesome story!

                  Do you remember when it was?

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • wacchampions Jan 26,2012 1:07 am || Up

                  I think it was in September, but I’m not 100% sure

                • wacchampions Jan 26,2012 1:10 am || Up

                  OK, yep it was September 7th…I was right..LOL..There is a Facebook video of the Bacon Exchange and him saying that he will surprise them..

                  http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150285457328790

                • elcroata Jan 26,2012 1:11 am || Up

                  And also, does anyone know Anson Casanares, whose pictures these are?

                  I’d like to ask him if I could use the picture and the video. So far I’ve researched there hasn’t been a story about it and I think it deserves one.

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • wacchampions Jan 26,2012 1:16 am || Up

                  I think that Nina (English Major) may know him somewhat…She sits out there with the RF Bleacher crew

                • elcroata Jan 26,2012 2:26 am || Up

                  I just wrote him a message on FB.

                  Also, EM, could you give me some background info, please? Is “Bacon Tuesday” a regular thing? Is there a history of Francoeur interacting with you guys, or was this the first time? Did you just shout to him “hey, we got bacon here?” :)

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • Englishmajor Jan 26,2012 11:02 am || Up

                  If roscoe/Ross is here, he knows the RF legends best because he’s there every day. I was not at the Frenchy Bacon Game, but I was in RF for an earlier visit by Kansas City. Francouer was getting the good-natured attentions that the bleacher folks extend to all opposing players, and instead of pretending he couldn’t hear as most do, he enjoyed it and was cracking up. Turned around and grinned, waved goodbye when he went in to the dugout, waved hello when he came back next inning. At one point some of us were singing, I don’t remember what — he kept his face turned toward the batter, but put one hand behind his back and made conducting gestures. After that, as I understand, the friendly relationship developed to the point of the bacon incident.

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 26,2012 11:16 am || Up

                  Umm… I’m concerned that it might get Frenchie in trouble and lead to him being teased about it at 12 other AL parks.

                  I don’t know if my concerns are legit, though…

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • elcroata Jan 26,2012 11:32 am || Up

                  @EM thanks. I might send you an email when I have the text finished, for some basic fact-checking. You OK with that?

                  @SPWC I don’t think so. He comes off great, and I think people appreciate the human note in an athlete

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • elcroata Jan 26,2012 12:42 pm || Up

                  Anson answered, seems like a really nice guy.

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • elcroata Jan 26,2012 12:49 am || Up

                  I thought that was me

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • elcroata Jan 26,2012 12:50 am || Up

                  wow!

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 11:06 pm || Up

                  oc link to FF comment

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • DFA Jan 25,2012 10:23 pm || Up

              We can measure better at producing wins, we cant measure I enjoy watching x player.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • Poppy Jan 25,2012 10:37 pm || Up

                I think I’m going to bookmark this whole subthread.

                There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
                • DFA Jan 25,2012 11:30 pm || Up

                  The vast majority of the time we agree that the goal of being a baseball player is to contribute to team wins, that is measurable.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • PaulThomas Jan 26,2012 5:39 pm || Up

                Maybe so.

                But at this point we can almost certainly measure the degree of audio quality, and/or how that quality interacts with pleasurable sensation in the brain of the average person, pretty well too.

                There is a “right answer” here– people may just not have done the research yet.

                • DFA Jan 26,2012 5:59 pm || Up

                  honestly I don’t have a dog in this fight. I was just picking one for funsies

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 3:03 pm || Up

          The ideal vinyl listening experience is hard to achieve and can only be attained on the first spin of a well-manufactured record with a clean high-end needle.

          Even if everything is absolutely perfect and the vinyl did happen to produce something that sounded a tiny bit better subjectively than digital, the experience is not repeatable. What matters is that the experience is not repeatable, even if it was a fraction better than digital, which I am not convinced of anymore in the first place.

          \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • stranahanahan Jan 25,2012 5:37 pm || Up

          It’s not bullshit, but it’s a skill one learns over time.
          As in, over a looooong period of time where it’s an integral part of your job.
          Chances are very slim that any recreational music listeners notice any change at all, it’s most likely a placebo effect.

          • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 6:55 pm || Up

            I love playing records. I like pulling it out of the sleeve (shut up), slapping it on the turntable, placing the tone arm down and watching it spiral to the center.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • JamesV Jan 25,2012 6:59 pm || Up

              I really do like playing records, too. Just something more physically satisfying about it, even if the record is getting slightly worse after every spin.

            • stranahanahan Jan 25,2012 10:03 pm || Up

              I’m with you there too. And I was fortunate enough to work at a music library where we had access to original records from as far back as the early 1900’s. Those are something special, hearing all the cracks and pops from the record.
              Plus, those were the days where it was so expensive to record that they did everything in one take. If you listen to those older classical and jazz recordings, chances are you’ll hear at least one pretty noticeable flub from one of the performers. I love finding those little easter eggs.

      • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 3:07 pm || Up

        All the high-selling vinyl is a bunch of weepy beard-folk bullshit anyway, other than the Beatles’ back catalogue.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • colin Jan 26,2012 7:12 am || Up

          No shit. Mumford and Sons, Fleet Foxes, and Bon Iver? It’s enough to make me want to throw my turntable out the window.

          • monkeyball Jan 26,2012 7:22 am || Up

            The few times I’ve dipped my ear in the weepy beard-folk bullshit waters, I’ve had the same reaction.

            you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • colin Jan 26,2012 7:31 am || Up

              I liked Fleet Foxes better when they were called Simon and Garfunkel.

              • Glorious Mundy Jan 26,2012 7:32 am || Up

                Sacrilege.

              • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 26,2012 7:49 am || Up

                Paul Simon wrote a lot of hopeful happy songs, though.

                \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • colin Jan 26,2012 8:08 am || Up

                  Oh yeah, Simon and Garfunkel were rad. Paul Simon solo stuff too (though honestly I haven’t listened to much of that besides Graceland).

                  I still don’t like Fleet Foxes though.

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 26,2012 9:48 am || Up

                  I certainly hope that once 2012 passes, the doom trend in mainstream music will evaporate and we can go into an era of new hope and new genre-spawn, like my beloved ’77-’83 era…

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • colin Jan 26,2012 10:11 am || Up

                  new hope (well, except that the album is from all the way back in 2001)

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 26,2012 11:21 am || Up

                  It’s an interesting way to put musical Legos together. I give it a 78, Dick (Clark).

                  Put some hyper-spastic Bjorkian drums/programming on it, and I’d give it an 85.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
          • DFA Jan 26,2012 11:27 am || Up

            Why don’t you like Mumford and Sons?

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • colin Jan 26,2012 12:01 pm || Up

              I had a good reaction to them at first, mostly because I like fast tempos. But then it got boring/repetitive really quick. Maybe I would have a better opinion of them if I didn’t hear it on the radio so FKing much.

              • colin Jan 26,2012 12:03 pm || Up

                To elaborate: With music I really like, repeated listens are rewarding. That is not my experience with Mumford and Sons.

                I realize that this isn’t a very specific criticism.

                • danmerqury Jan 26,2012 12:05 pm || Up

                  I definitely agree with that first sentence.

              • DFA Jan 26,2012 12:08 pm || Up

                Yeah I saw them live first then like 8 months later the radio discoverd them. It got bad but i listen to the album on the regular.

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  15. Future Ed Jan 25,2012 1:59 pm

    nm/mb/dfa bait

    Or you know, you could sell your car.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • monkeyball Jan 25,2012 2:04 pm || Up

      SFWeekly: the Slate of San Francisco

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 2:13 pm || Up

      Zero sympathy.

      Follow the rules or (in the rare times you’re caught) pay the ticket. I’ve gotten a few tickets in SF, but the only ones that made me mad were for blocking the sidewalk (it was my driveway, but I definitely was blocking the whole thing during a move) and failing to curb my wheels (they definitely weren’t curbed, but it wasn’t a super-steep hill either).

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 2:19 pm || Up

        LMLOCLFY.

        The last apartment we had, it took us two months of ticket/looking for parking before we went to craigs list and got a garage space. It wasn’t that hard, or expensive.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • DFA Jan 25,2012 2:20 pm || Up

        I get super fucking mad when I get tickets. At the idiot that parked my car… oh wait… I am that idiot.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 2:22 pm || Up

          me too. irrationally mad at the parker. As an aside, I wrote a “brief” and SLF went and argued against one of our tickets and we won.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • DFA Jan 25,2012 2:24 pm || Up

            Yeah Ive never tried to argue them. Cuz I did it.

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 2:32 pm || Up

              this one was a one hour restriction and the car was moved, but then parked on the same block. The code only calls for the car being moved 500 feet (or something). The car was moved that. but then reparked on the same block. DPT presumes non movement on those cases.

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:05 pm || Up

                The bullshit tickets I got (and contested) were in Chicago. The street I lived on had totally unrestricted parking, so you could leave your car on the street while you traveled, carpooled, or cut a week of classes. Totally legally.

                But their gimmick was that street cleaning was announced by putting up signs the day before they planned to come by (on no particular schedule). And if you missed the sign because your car was legally parked when you left it, you got 3 ~$50 tickets. One in the beginning of the street cleaning period, one from the cruiser traveling with the actual street cleaner, and one at the end of the period. Now that? That’s some shit. SF doesn’t do anything even remotely close.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 3:08 pm || Up

                  that is messed up. SF would revolt if tickets were given less than 3 minutes after the sweeper went by.

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 25,2012 3:11 pm || Up

                  Seriously. That’s some blatant money-making shit right there

                • colin Jan 26,2012 7:14 am || Up

                  Was that in Hyde Park? One of my roommates successfully argued his way out of several street cleaning tickets.

                • nevermoor Jan 26,2012 10:07 am || Up

                  Lincoln Park (I lived here 2 and 3L years).

                  My car had CA plates, so when I dutifully challenged the tickets I never got any response. Still some bullshit though.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:02 pm || Up

              This.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • stranahanahan Jan 25,2012 5:40 pm || Up

              I would never argue because I know I would freeze up and act like a complete idiot, no matter how sure I was of my case.

              • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 6:55 pm || Up

                you just described my job.

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • DFA Jan 25,2012 7:00 pm || Up

                Yeah I argue with way way worse cases than I clearly did this every day. Many times its they clearly did this and here is the video. I still win some of those.

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 25,2012 3:26 pm || Up

          At least 3 friends of mine, maybe more, have over the years accumulated enough tickets that it wasn’t worth it to them to retrieve their cars once they got towed.

          In a related story, the weekly or monthly SF auto auction can be a source of fantastic used car bargains, though it’s harder for the automotively unknowledgable, and also a lot of scammers and thugs hang out there.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • JamesV Jan 25,2012 5:06 pm || Up

            The only time I got a parking ticket was when I was visiting a friend in Portland. We parked at the zoo to take the rail into downtown for a concert and when we got back afterward I had a ticket. Apparently there was some sign someplace that said you couldn’t have your car parked there after a certain time, even if you were taking the rail.

            I never paid it.

      • elcroata Jan 25,2012 2:23 pm || Up

        +1

        I don’t know how much a parking ticket is, but here, I never put any money in a parking meter, for example.

        First, I don’t like having any coins in my wallet, as it then doesn’t fit in my pocket.
        Second, I normally have neither time nor will to look for a parking meter.
        Third, financially it’s a wash. Instead of paying 1-2 Euro every time, I get a 10 Euro Ticket every 5-10 times I park, which I then pay at my convenience using online banking.
        Fourth, it’s my contribution for creating/keeping local jobs. Can’t write the ticket from an outsourced company in Punjab.

        Because survival is insufficient
        • andeux Jan 25,2012 2:40 pm || Up

          Here the fines are higher relative to the cost of a meter, so it’s kind of dumb not to just pay for the meter, and even dumber not to put in the extra 25 cents in case you end up running a little later than you expect. Of course, I’ve done exactly that and ended up with an expensive ticket, as I would bet most people have at some point.

          Also, if you get towed, that’s done by a private company that contracts with the city and basically has a license to gouge you for as much money as they want, however unreasonable.

          TINSTAAFK
          • DFA Jan 25,2012 2:44 pm || Up

            yeah. for me its street cleaning when I didn’t drive my car the day before.

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:06 pm || Up

            (because the meter is too cheap)

            But in SF, at least, they now accept credit cards, so E/C would be fine.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • elcroata Jan 25,2012 3:07 pm || Up

              Zagreb was one of the first cities in Europe (if not the first one) to introduce paying parking by sending a text from your cell

              Because survival is insufficient
              • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 3:10 pm || Up

                test e-mail “motherfucker!” to 40112 and your ticket ban will be paid lifted

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:33 pm || Up

                That’s cool too, I saw that in DC.

                Eventually phones’ll just swipe for everything and we’ll break the Visa/MasterCard stranglehold.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • DFA Jan 25,2012 3:35 pm || Up

                  but then it will be the google wallet stranglehold

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 3:37 pm || Up

                  Just as long as a separate underground network develops for black market transactions, and effective laundering mechanisms, I’m fine with it.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • andeux Jan 25,2012 3:40 pm || Up

                  bitcoin

                  TINSTAAFK
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 4:00 pm || Up

                  is it safe to Google?

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • andeux Jan 25,2012 4:11 pm || Up

                  Yes. There was a good article about it in the New Yorker last year but it seems to be behind their paywall now.
                  Basically it was an entirely electronic medium of exchange invented by some cypherpunks, and the main place it caught on was a site called Silk Road specializing in contraband.
                  But it turns out that bitcoins might be both more traceable and more vulnerable to manipulation than people hoped.

                  TINSTAAFK
                • colin Jan 26,2012 7:19 am || Up

                  One thing that I find interesting about bitcoin is that there are a fixed and unchanging number of bitcoins in circulation, so it acts a bit like a commodity backed currency. The history of bitcoin valuation (over just a couple of years now) makes a very effective argument for why it would be totally stupid to try to put the US back onto the gold standard.

                • Glorious Mundy Jan 26,2012 7:31 am || Up

                  Not fixed and unchanging, but growing at a steady, predictable rate, no? If I understand correctly, the program periodically creates new coin to be “mined.” It’s the rate of growth in the supply that is fixed by algorithm, which differentiates it from “fiat money” that can be printed on a whim.

                • colin Jan 26,2012 7:35 am || Up

                  I was under the impression that the number was fixed, but you sound like you know more about it.

                • Glorious Mundy Jan 26,2012 7:44 am || Up

                  I don’t know anything more than what I read in the New Yorker, but that was my takeaway.

                • nevermoor Jan 26,2012 10:09 am || Up

                  The way the Good Wife explained it (warning: may not be true) was that “mining” was a thing anyone could do with their computing resources, and the more computing resources devoted to mining the more frequently you get a bitcoin.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • colin Jan 26,2012 10:17 am || Up

                  I think that was true when they were initially released, but there is now a shortage of them (i.e. you can’t obtain them by mining, only from people who mined them during the bitcoin boom).

                • nevermoor Jan 26,2012 10:07 am || Up

                  The Good Wife did a whole episode about that.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • danmerqury Jan 25,2012 3:36 pm || Up

                  I really doubt that. I mean, about breaking the stranglehold. Wouldn’t Visa/MC just get into the phone app business, then?

                • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:52 pm || Up

                  Yeah, but someone else could do it for less.

                  Square, for example, I’ve heard is planning to roll out their own payment product that doesn’t ping through the major credit companies.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • 5Aces Jan 25,2012 4:39 pm || Up

                  Love Square. Mrs. Aces started her business last year and one of our first concerns was how can she use cards to conduct business easily, orver the phone, on line, etc.

                  We have had 0 problems with it and we continue to find uses for it. We are having a yard sale this weekend and have actually though of offering credit card payments for furniture (or for those who wont honestly haggle and instead play the “I don’t have the extra dollar on me” game..)

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
                • stranahanahan Jan 25,2012 5:42 pm || Up

                  QR readers are huuuuge in Italy right now. People are paying for everything over there. I’d never seen anything like it.

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 25,2012 3:21 pm || Up

        Um, IIRC a year or more ago you were complaining that it was unreasonable that the city wouldn’t let you keep a car parked in front of your house (or anywhere) for more than 72 hours. Am I misrecalling this?

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:44 pm || Up

          Not really. I found the thread.

          I just re-read it, and I think Sal made the point that really gets to where I diverge (and, of course, a $50 parking ticket is different from $1400). Whenever I’ve gotten a parking ticket in SF, I’ve understood why and known I’ve done it. At that point, I had no idea about that rule. A four-figure penalty for a rule I didn’t know existed seems awfully steep.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 25,2012 3:52 pm || Up

            Well, most of that $ was towing-related crap. Leaving aside the precipitating event, everything around the punitive auto towing industry is rife with corruption and the bleeding of innocents.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
            • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 4:03 pm || Up

              Right. But the guy with the car doesn’t care who he’s paying.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  16. monkeyball Jan 25,2012 2:24 pm
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • DFA Jan 25,2012 2:44 pm || Up

      not nearly as impressive as most of your picks IMO

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • Glorious Mundy Jan 25,2012 2:45 pm || Up

        But it’s on the Greenwich Steps!

        • monkeyball Jan 25,2012 2:48 pm || Up

          Plus:

          Year built: 1857

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • andeux Jan 25,2012 2:50 pm || Up

            I love our old house (1910) but it’s definitely a mixed blessing.

            TINSTAAFK
            • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 25,2012 3:27 pm || Up

              Huh, ours is 1910 as well. Good year for Berkeley buildings, I guess.

              "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
              • andeux Jan 25,2012 3:33 pm || Up

                Yeah, I think the big wave of building here was immediately after the quake.
                When we were looking at houses, it seemed like just about every one we looked at was built between 1906 and about 1930. It must have been quite the transformation from cow town to city in such a short period of time.

                TINSTAAFK
                • batgirl Jan 25,2012 5:05 pm || Up

                  We’re 1926, I think. Ours was a post Berkeley-hills fire. Do you guys have knob and tube wiring? It’s hard to get insurance on that stuff.

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 25,2012 5:19 pm || Up

                  We still have knob and tube in the (non-habitable) attic, but modernized everywhere else. If we ever try to turn the attic in habitable space (note for Berkeley building inspectors: we will never do this), we’ll need to rewire it.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • andeux Jan 25,2012 5:27 pm || Up

                  Another feature of seemingly every single house we looked at: significant renovations done without permits.
                  I think we also have some knob-and-tube left in the attic but modernized elsewhere.

                  TINSTAAFK
                • DFA Jan 25,2012 7:01 pm || Up

                  what is knob and tube?

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • lynnzgal Jan 25,2012 7:03 pm || Up

                  Yeah. I’m thinking I should know this.

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 25,2012 7:06 pm || Up

                  Wiki:
                  It consisted of single-insulated copper conductors run within wall or ceiling cavities, passing through joist and stud drill-holes via protective porcelain insulating tubes, and supported along their length on nailed-down porcelain knob insulators.

                  Picture:

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • DFA Jan 25,2012 7:10 pm || Up

                  why is this bad?

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Englishmajor Jan 25,2012 7:18 pm || Up

                  The wiki article explains some of the drawbacks, but one which I’ve heard about from several people who had it (before their houses almost burned down): mice and squirrels like to gnaw on it.

                • dmoas Jan 25,2012 7:38 pm || Up

                  Major fire hazards.

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 25,2012 7:46 pm || Up

                  Well, it was the universal standard for American houses for decades, and most of them didn’t burn down, and many still survive today with knob and tube intact. But electrical wiring technology is just much safer and more efficient today, so where feasible it’s good to retrofit.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • dmoas Jan 25,2012 8:03 pm || Up

                  Overload now standard wiring and you blow a fuse. Overload knob and tube and watch esplode.

                • monkeyball Jan 26,2012 5:36 am || Up

                  #yglesias bait

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • batgirl Jan 26,2012 11:50 am || Up

                  Most of our wiring is still knob and tube. When we bought 8 years ago our house inspector said it’s in perfectly good condition and didn’t see any reason to replace it. He recommended just replacing it as we’re doing upgrades to certain areas of the house. However I’ve only been able to find one company that will insure it, Allstate. Every other major carrier I tried said it would have to be replaced for them to give a policy. So there goes price shopping for coverage.

                • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 26,2012 11:52 am || Up

                  Hmm..we just had to pay extra for insurance for ours. We’ve since removed it, but, yeah, insurance does not like old wires.

                  A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
                • elcroata Jan 26,2012 11:58 am || Up

                  OT, but every time I see your handle, I have to think of that twins blogger…

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • batgirl Jan 26,2012 12:14 pm || Up

                  I know! I didn’t know she existed when I hurriedly came up with a name. Probably would have gone with something different but oh well! She was good–I loved those lego things.

                • elcroata Jan 26,2012 12:24 pm || Up

                  those were magnificent!

                  little nicky punto…

                  the episode where they were awaiting white smoke from vatican…

                  she was the best

                  Because survival is insufficient
            • stranahanahan Jan 25,2012 5:45 pm || Up

              I used to live blocks away from a neighborhood where almost every house was between 90-110 years old. It’s a really nice neighborhood and the houses were really nice looking, but man, the few friends I had in that area had to crash somewhere else about once every 6 months because of some problem they were having with those homes. Mold, cockroaches, wood panels going crazy.
              But I would have looooved to have spent a year or two in one of those homes. The character and weird designs were way worth the occasional problems, IMO.

            • colin Jan 26,2012 7:22 am || Up

              The house in Sausalito that I grew up in (until I was about 10 years old) was from 1890-something. Really cool house.

      • monkeyball Jan 25,2012 2:45 pm || Up

        Location, location, location (I could walk to my current work location, or our new location [anyone have anything they want me to convey to DiFi’s constituent-services team?]). Plus, the kitchen is wicked nice. And it’s a lot bigger than “2 BR.”

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • DFA Jan 25,2012 2:49 pm || Up

          The kitchen is wicked nice. But the rest of the architexture isn’t as interesting as the ones you usually pick. Also IIRC little access to public transport/the cool parts of the city.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • monkeyball Jan 25,2012 3:00 pm || Up

            No disagreement on those points.

            Work is moving to new office space as of Monday — at the very end of Montgomery St. I have to cross two hills to get there on foot. PT is a PITA (TWNS) — I’m an avowed fan of using the cable cars to commute, but I’ll still have a multiblock walk from the end of the Mason line, or a looooong wak/F trip from the CA line.

            you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • DFA Jan 25,2012 3:11 pm || Up

              Yeah were also in very different parts of our lives

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • stranahanahan Jan 25,2012 5:47 pm || Up

            If and when I’m lucky enough to own my own home, I’ll take a place with an awesome kitchen over anything else.
            If the place has a sweet kitchen and an area decent for a BBQ and smoker, then I’ll put up with just about any negatives that would come with the rest of the property.

            • 5Aces Jan 25,2012 5:57 pm || Up

              Agreed, but the key word is AWESOME. We are actually moving from our house of 6+ years shortly. It has a big kitchen with island, but in the end it is more “big” than “awesome”. And that really made it more of a pain. Fantastic for parties where a bunch of people would gather, but day to day a lot of space that didn’t get used.

              Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
              • monkeyball Jan 25,2012 6:04 pm || Up

                Visited a college pal when we were in Portland over break. They just moved into a new place (West Side) that probably dates from … eh, probably the ’50s? Anyway, it’s got a pretty spacious kitchen — but it still has the original Brady Bunch-style AEK appliances. Yoiks.

                you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • lynnzgal Jan 25,2012 6:47 pm || Up

                  And away! My Craftsman’s Bungalow kitchen is teeny. It’s my dad’s childhood home that I inherited, praise God! And, when I first moved in, had this horrible olive green double oven thingy. A regular oven on the bottom with a 4 burner range top, and then a smaller oven above.

                  To be fair, my uncle replaced a classic wood burning range/oven with this monstrosity. My grandma cooked many a delicious meal in that thing. Yes, this is how old I am.

                  About a year after I moved in I replaced that awful thing with a Caloric range. But, it’s always been my dream to bust out the walls and make a kitchen I would adore, 24/7.

                • batgirl Jan 26,2012 11:53 am || Up

                  I hope you can do it some day. Our kitchen was teeny and had about 3 square feet of counter top when we moved in. Veeerry hard to cook in. We took down one tiny wall that led to an adjacent tiny sun room and voila, instant awesome. Best investment we ever made.

                • monkeyball Jan 26,2012 11:57 am || Up

                  I have no idea how well they cook, but I love going in to the W-S flagship and drooling over the La Cornues.

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • andeux Jan 26,2012 12:01 pm || Up

                  Ooh, those are pretty.
                  We have a ’50s Wedgewood. Another mixed blessing.

                  TINSTAAFK
                • monkeyball Jan 26,2012 12:32 pm || Up

                  The drawers are really cool

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • DFA Jan 25,2012 7:03 pm || Up

                  one of the big problems with PDX very little natural gas ovens/ranges

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 26,2012 9:14 am || Up

                  You have a problem with my very little oven?

                  A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
                • DFA Jan 26,2012 11:28 am || Up

                  few.

                  Everyone I knew in PDX had electric

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 26,2012 11:33 am || Up

                  Yeah, it’s unfortunate. At some point when we decide to knock out some walls to make a bigger and better kitchen, we may go gas. But we’ll probably wait until PDXSpawn2 is old enough to fear the fire.

                  A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
                • elcroata Jan 26,2012 11:34 am || Up

                  What’s PDX? A county?

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 26,2012 11:39 am || Up

                  PDX is the airport code for the Portland, Oregon, International Airport and is a commonly-used abbreviation for the City itself.

                  A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
                • elcroata Jan 26,2012 11:44 am || Up

                  Thanks

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • DFA Jan 26,2012 12:12 pm || Up

                  Its a magikal land of rain hipsters fixies and beer.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Future Ed Jan 26,2012 12:14 pm || Up

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • DFA Jan 26,2012 1:46 pm || Up

                  love that show

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Future Ed Jan 26,2012 1:59 pm || Up

                  put a bird on it

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • gonealookin Jan 26,2012 2:05 pm || Up

                  I used to go up there every year for the Oregon Brewers’ Festival on the riverfront. Unfortunately that event just got too damned big in the last four or five years.

                  What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
                • DFA Jan 26,2012 2:31 pm || Up

                  I use to do voter reg there. My favorite quote “IS IT LEAGAL TO REGISTER ME TO VOTE WHEN IM DRUNK?”

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • 5Aces Jan 26,2012 7:32 am || Up

                  Yep. Ours is not that bad, but all of the pieces when we moved in were not our style. Old vinyl floor, cabinets a terrible peachish color, tile that doesnt really match either of them on the counter. And just a normal stove, oven, etc and a super tiny pantry. Now it has TONS of cabinet space, but most of it is too high to get to without a tall stepping stool.

                  In the haze of just bought delusions we convinced ourselves we could buy/fix/remodel it into the dream kitchen. In the end we just walked in every day and lamented all the unused space.

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
            • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 6:24 pm || Up

              When we move out of our condo, my hope is that it’ll be to a place I can stay for a few decades. Given that, I’d rather buy a habitable fixer-upper and make it exactly the way I want.

              We redid the kitchen/bath in ours, which was a good learning experience, and I think we did a pretty good job of being within the resellabe/normal range, but people’s definitions of awesome differ so much I don’t expect I’d find one that is exactly right.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • elcroata Jan 25,2012 11:10 pm || Up

                I think it’s the best.

                I am so happy we resisted the urge (which was never really there) to buy something on the upper limit of our price range, rather going lower and putting the money toward fixing the place right to our liking.

                Because survival is insufficient
        • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 2:49 pm || Up

          please tell her to quit.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:09 pm || Up

          I wouldn’t want to be quite that close to the office. 1700 sqft is nice though.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • MikeV Jan 25,2012 2:45 pm || Up

      I’m not even sure I would enjoy living there.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • MikeV Jan 25,2012 2:51 pm || Up

        More my speed

        but I’d have to get rid of the horses in the barn so I could make it a gigantic shop with trucks and motorcycles and boats and stuff.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • MikeV Jan 25,2012 2:54 pm || Up

          Check that.

          This one.

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

        • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 3:05 pm || Up

          Don’t forget the lathe and C&C mill to build custom parts!

          \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
          • MikeV Jan 25,2012 3:25 pm || Up

            hella.

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

  17. monkeyball Jan 25,2012 2:38 pm
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:10 pm || Up

      Heh. That links to the MSN signup form for me.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  18. elcroata Jan 25,2012 3:04 pm

    There are no unread comments, only unwritten ones

    Fuck yeah. Time to go to sleep

    Because survival is insufficient
  19. nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:11 pm

    Maybe Mitt is right about voluntary deportation.

    hat means the migrant worker population (almost as large as the US population) got roughly a 15% pay increase last year in real terms.

    If only America could do as much for its low-skill workforce as China does.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 3:18 pm || Up

      May I please be voluntarily deported to the Klingon Empire?

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • PaulThomas Jan 25,2012 6:22 pm || Up

      The article is probably right that overall, global income inequality is gradually declining.

      The problem is that 2010 global GDP per capita was only about $63 trillion, which some pretty quick math will tell you is only about $9200 per person. If we had zero income inequality in the world, everyone would be living on under 10 grand a year.

      • DFA Jan 25,2012 7:04 pm || Up

        Can I just say how happy I am that you are here.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • monkeyball Jan 26,2012 5:38 am || Up

          But if someone experiences their life on $10K/y as better …

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • elcroata Jan 26,2012 5:42 am || Up

            We were happy in those days, although we were poor

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            Because survival is insufficient
          • DFA Jan 26,2012 11:30 am || Up

            Economics recognizes a diminishing marginal return in utils when it comes to wealth.

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 8:40 pm || Up

        Sure. But that doesn’t mean that continuing to decrease income inequality will result in anything like that.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • DFA Jan 25,2012 10:24 pm || Up

          also if we only had 10k a year I bet that would spur a bunch of economic growth.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 26,2012 7:01 am || Up

            black market, of course!

            \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • PaulThomas Jan 26,2012 5:52 pm || Up

          Not saying it would. Obviously we’re a very, very long way from any such scenario. Just making the point that it wouldn’t necessarily be all peaches and cream, at least not at current productivity levels.

          What I’m getting at here is that claiming “overall inequality is decreasing, so your liberal whining about inequality increasing in the US is bollocks!” is not a valid argument. The fact that I recognize that the US enjoys, to a large degree, various unearned advantages over other countries does not mean that I cannot also recognize (and criticize) the fact that individuals within the US enjoy various unearned advantages over each other, too.

  20. nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:14 pm

    Just in case you haven’t already, time to unsubscribe from Politifact.

    After picking a true statement as the lie of the year, they won’t even give Obama a “true” rating for two clearly stated claims that their own analysis confirms.

    Factcheck.org is better.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  21. nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:18 pm

    Mitch Daniels, moderate dishonest conservative.

    I bet he opposed the auto bailout too.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  22. nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:21 pm

    Trouble in Paradise Santa Clara

    Seely, who carries the dual title of San Francisco’s special-teams coordinator and assistant head coach, will interview for the Colts’ head-coaching position, Fox Sports reported Tuesday.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • MikeV Jan 25,2012 3:27 pm || Up

      I heard they hired Chuck Pangano.

      Likely that Seely and Roman will both be back next year OMG 2 YEARS IN A ROW FOR AN OC FOR ALEX

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 3:53 pm || Up

        That is great news.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 25,2012 4:17 pm || Up

        That must mean they won’t be bringing Smith back. He’s not allowed to have the same OC two years in a row.

        • DFA Jan 25,2012 4:36 pm || Up

          Im fine with Kaepernick for next year.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • gonealookin Jan 25,2012 4:46 pm || Up

            In college at least Colin Kaepernick = Tim Tebow.

            What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
          • PaulThomas Jan 25,2012 6:50 pm || Up

            You can’t be serious.

            • DFA Jan 25,2012 7:05 pm || Up

              why not? Theyve had him for over a year by the time the season rolled around. Why did we spend a #2 pick on him if we weren’t willing to play him this year?

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • MikeV Jan 25,2012 8:47 pm || Up

                Because he needs more time than that, and Smith has certainly earned himself another year at least.

                And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                Thanks, and go As.

                • stranahanahan Jan 25,2012 10:06 pm || Up

                  This.
                  I like Kaepernick a lot, and ultimately I think he’ll end up being at least a decent enough QB to play on winning teams like the Niners where the D is just so damn good you don’t have to run and gun it for 40 points/game. But he’s certainly a project, and I worry about trusting him with the offense this soon. Waiting and learning under another guy certainly did a helluva lot of good for guys like Rodgers and Steve young.

                • DFA Jan 25,2012 10:25 pm || Up

                  thats fine and all but he was picked so if smith sucked this year he would be able to take over next year.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 10:40 pm || Up

                  But Smith didn’t suck. He was quite good nearly all season.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • DFA Jan 25,2012 11:31 pm || Up

                  This is true. Im just saying he should be ready. Im fine with Smith on a short term commitment.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • PaulThomas Jan 26,2012 5:53 pm || Up

                I have no idea why the Niners spent a #2 pick on Colin Kaepernick, but I also have no interest in throwing good playing time after a bad draft pick.

                • DFA Jan 26,2012 6:01 pm || Up

                  Why do you think he will be bad?

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • PaulThomas Jan 26,2012 9:12 pm || Up

                  Because of watching him play a number of times in college.

                  His college system was a lot like Alex Smith’s, actually, except he was not as good at it. Lots of simple reads and options, not much pro-style action.

                  And he never struck me as a great athlete who could be incidentally taught pro quarterbacking, in the way that, say, Cam Newton or Robert Griffin III do.

                  It was a really bad idea to take a QB last year. It’s a damn shame they didn’t hold off until this year, when you can hardly throw a stick without running into a QB who dominated in college. I’d far rather have Brandon Weeden than Kaepernick, and the projections I’m seeing have Weeden going in the 4th round!

                • MikeV Jan 26,2012 9:15 pm || Up

                  Weeden is too old.

                  This year’s QB class got FKed when Barkley and Jones decided to go back to school. It’s basically Luck, RG3, and then that’s about it. Tannehill is the 3rd best QB prospect now which is kinda weird.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • dmoas Jan 26,2012 9:20 pm || Up

                  If you’re talking elite QBs, yes. If you’re talking good, but possibly great QBs, no.

                • MikeV Jan 26,2012 9:24 pm || Up

                  Kaepernick falls into that second set as well. He’s got all the physical tools and frankly I give Harbaugh the benefit of the doubt when hand picking a QB.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • PaulThomas Jan 27,2012 7:14 pm || Up

                  Too old?

                  He’s like 27. And that’s “27 with no miles on him”, not “27 after five years of getting beaten to a paste by NFL linemen.”

                  I hate to play the Kurt Warner card, but I feel justified because he’s hardly the only example. Jeff Garcia, Rich Gannon, hell, even Steve Young– the NFL’s had tons of good QBs who hardly played until their late twenties. Frankly, it’s a non-issue.

                • MikeV Jan 27,2012 7:18 pm || Up

                  10/14/83

                  You really want a guy who is going to turn 30 his rookie year?

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • nevermoor Jan 27,2012 7:46 pm || Up

                  Hey! That’s my age!

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • PaulThomas Jan 28,2012 6:59 pm || Up

                  I’d rather have a guy turning 30 than a guy turning 21 if you have any desire for him to actually start games!

                • MikeV Jan 28,2012 8:49 pm || Up

                  So by the time he’s figured out the offense and is ready to be productive, he’s 32?

                  no thanks.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • nevermoor Jan 26,2012 6:01 pm || Up

                  I don’t think we have any way of knowing if he was a good or bad draft pick.

                  If we keep him around long enough on the sidelines, Alex’ll get hurt.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • MikeV Jan 26,2012 8:49 pm || Up

                  I heard a rumor it was a panic move, they had actually traded up to get Dalton but Cincy took him

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • DFA Jan 26,2012 9:28 pm || Up

                  so was signing Carlos Rodgers.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • MikeV Jan 26,2012 9:30 pm || Up

                  Yeah but that worked out awesome.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

        • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 25,2012 8:57 pm || Up

          Yeah; Smith must be banned across half of SBN!

          \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
      • stranahanahan Jan 25,2012 5:48 pm || Up

        Yessssssssss….

  23. monkeyball Jan 25,2012 5:49 pm

    Sal, were you invited? (Via Felix Salmon, whose column touches on some issues regarding SBN.)

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • sslinger Jan 25,2012 6:24 pm || Up

      I know this isn’t fair to Mr. Dyson, but…

  24. nevermoor Jan 25,2012 9:57 pm

    In any reasonable world, this would be noncontroversial.

    “The question is what is fair when you have to raise multi-trillions to fund the United States of America,” said Buffett. ”[Raising taxes] will not change my behavior. I have paid all different kinds of rates and I’ve always been interested in making money. I believe this should be a defining issue. Debbie works just as hard as I do and she pays twice the rate I do.”

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • Future Ed Jan 25,2012 10:48 pm || Up

      I hope he checked with her before he started using her as an example.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • nevermoor Jan 25,2012 11:07 pm || Up

        She was there for the interview (and, I assume, this is a discussion they have had many times)

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • ptbnl Jan 25,2012 11:08 pm || Up

          It’s in her contract.

          If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.

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