I would posit that no real concrete agenda is good. Stops some half assed not effective nominal solution from government being able to divide the movement.
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I agree with this. The key right now is sustaining the visible expression of outrage from broad segments of American society; OWS has been phenomenally successful thus far in influencing the national discussion. I honestly don’t remember a prior point in my lifetime when issues of fundamental, systemic economic inquality were discussed at any length at all in the mainstream media…and now it’s the biggest story going, and has been for weeks!
A specific platform would only detract from this now. What the movement will evolve into (if anything) remains to be seen, but the tactics of the moment are doing great; the strategies for the future must be developed, but not at the expense of what we’ve got going right now.
"Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
I think “Implement policies that will promote recovery/economic equality” is a fine cohesive platform (like “No Taxes, No government” works for the Tea Party). I don’t think OWS should be drafting legislation, because I think their role should be pushing for more at all times.
If Republicans in Congress do anything are willing to pass anything some sort of Buffett-rule enforcing tax reform (and they aren’t), then you need to start thinking about how long to push before endorsing. As things stand now, though, where option 1 is no change and option 2 is the worst tax policies ever (Cain, Perry), I do not see why they are obligated to get specific.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
On some level, it’s getting remarkably tiring to hear about them when they aren’t actually doing anything. It’s starting to come across as “Waaaah I don’t like the way things are, have no solution to the problem, but I’m just going to sit here on my ass until someone ELSE comes up with a solution I’m happy with.” While I don’t at all disagree with there essentially being option 1 & 2 above… nor do I disagree that both of those suck ass (#1 much more than #2), but the “can’t someone else do it” thing gets old, quick. The movement as a whole doesn’t need to step up and provide a direction, but someone within the movement as an individual voice does. Otherwise you’re rally around laziness, which isn’t much different than what we have now outside of the venomous hate being spewed back and forth.
The problem with proposing concrete change is that right now it’s impossible. There is no liberal policy so overwhelmingly popular that it would get a single conservative vote, and there are too many conservatives to pass anything given that. Executive action is limited (and none of those links above are complete solutions, in part for that reason), but I believe OWS has had (and will have) a role in making it happen. I also don’t think there is any shortage of good policy ideas out there, so there is no particular need for someone within OWS to propose any.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
I really can’t see how bad policy (seriously BAD policy) is better than no change. Especially when the people who would elect those people into power would support them through thick and thin regardless of the destruction they would reign.
The reality is Obama can’t do shit. It’s not his fault, but he’s a useless President precisely because there’s nothing he can do to enact change. I’m not saying that as a criticism, but more agreeing with the point you’re making. But no one can make the changes we need. Especially no one in office. As long the entire country can’t vote for the elected officials in the Red States (or vice versa I suppose), nothing will change. Everyone thinks their “guy” is on the right path and back them, and everyone else is failing and needs to be booted from office. That gains us nothing.
When I say someone needs to step up out of OWS, I DON’T mean an elected official nor someone seeking political office. I mean someone with a credible idea, one that will work and that doesn’t compromise. Someone who will stand up to the heat and criticism with a plan that will do likewise. Short of that, nothing will change. Someone needs to become the voice of the people in a way that crosses party lines. Patience won’t end this stalemate nor will waiting for one side or the other to royally fuck up in away that loses their support.
This is mostly why I’m a major proponent of calling it a day and splitting up the country.
There’s a children’s event that we’ll be going to – meet at the main library at noon and march to the plaza – but our other plans are indefinite as yet.
“The city is going to remain open for business but employees who want to participate can use their work furlough time, not sick leave, and they have to get approval from their supervisor,” Piper said.
Or are we just interpreting it differently?
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
That’s correct. Employees who arrange to take the day off ahead of time will suffer no consequences.
As a practical matter, though, I expect that the plaza is going to be so jammed with strikers/protestors all day that the city will for all intents and purposes be shut down, adn probably they’ll tell people to just go home (or not bother to show up). And if the strikers put up a picket line, it’s over, folks won’t cross.
"Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
Basically walking off the job is a fireable offense in most cases. In order for it not to be the union and usually the Central Labor Council has to sanction the strike. The company letting you take time off isn’t a sactioned strike. I mean you could use your time for watching law and order re runs if you wanted to instead of going down to Occupy.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
More seriously, this obviously isn’t a General Strike in the sense the term has always been understood, but given that the unionized part of the workforce is only a fraction of what it was back in that day, perhaps the term could use redefinition.
“Take The Day Off Any Way You Can And Protest The Injustice/Inequity/Thuggery” is what the day is. And 10,000 people or more might show up and functionally shut down downtown Oakland. Efficacy short- or long-term aside, that’s about as close to a General Strike as we’re likely to see anytime soon. And General Strike sounds way cooler.
"Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
I’ve taken a day off using available leave through the proper channels, so I’m all good. Plus, my union is looking out for its members who choose to participate.
"Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
I know your union intimately, and I wouldn’t vouch for how looking out for you they could do let a lone would do. If you took the day off through proper channels youre all good though.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
Are third parties permanently doomed to be an anachronism and a thrown-away vote?
Would a FKton(ne) of third-party votes compared to past two-major-candidate years be a credible shot across the bow of the major parties?
\"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
\"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
Is it possible to force elected officials to not be affiliated with a party? That would be ideal even if completely impossible. Forget about adding a third party and eliminate parties altogether.
I’ve heard that before, particularly from Government/Poli-Sci teachers I’ve had. Their argument is to tell me how great the two party system is because it allows them to pass laws easier. But personally, I think it makes it easier to pass horribly compromised, ineffective, inefficient laws easier. While blocking anyone from even trying to make one that would/could work. So the idea of everyone forced to stand on their own two feet and make their decisions on their own holds a big appeal to me. Would it work out better? Probably not. But seeing the sheep like herding we see along party lines we have now and how much it’s “done” for the country isn’t a very persuasive argument to me for keeping it.
“Forcing” people not to be able to associate with like-minded otehrs, and to organize themselves into parties accordingly, is about as anti-democractic as it gets. Which is why teh right to organize parties is pretty high on the list of demands from the opposition in every dictatorship.
"Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
For the record, I was not saying that in terms of “people not to be able to associate with like-minded others”, there’s little wrong with that (which makes what I’d like all the more tricky to ever be of practical implementation), so much the full organization of a party.
The “party as a corporation” thing is what I have a huge issue with. And in terms of what DFA said below, for all practical purposes, we’re already there. I find the notion that you can’t sit around with common folk and discuss things like semi-rational adults just because you can’t have an official umbrella of a socio-corporate entity within a democracy to be a load of BS. There would absolutely be voting blocks in any sort of system, it’s the natural course of things. But those voting blocks should be common views on individual cases decided by each individual on a case by case basis, not essentially forced down on you by a party leader who has more than enough money to knock you out of office when your term is up if you’re standing in the way of what they consider progress.
I hear what you’re saying, certainly. But you simply can’t tell people how they can or cannot organize themselves. Parties believe, correctly, that they’re more effective when organized across multiple issues, not just issue-by-issue.
"Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
That’s fine. That’s going to happen. We agree on this and that, not so much about this or that, and neither of us have opinion about x/y so we’ll vote with you as a pact because you care about y/x. There’s undeniably strength in pact voting. But when the pack voting develops into a corporate entity, particularly in terms of donation gathering, is where it becomes an issue.
The problem is that this isn’t parliament. But eliminating parties leads to more power concentrated on wealthy people because they would be the only folks with the resources to run campaigns and get their name out there. Without that it would all be Bloombergs.
In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
Its been a while since I read any Founding fathers stuff, what episode do you mean? the period where he thoght he was screwed out of the presidency? or before?
He (unintentionally) created the fillibuster. Absent his mistake, Ben Nelson wouldn’t have mattered at all. Or Lieberman. Or Landrieu.
The House and Senate rulebooks in 1789 were nearly identical. Both rulebooks included what is known as the “previous question†motion. The House kept their motion, and today it empowers a simple majority to cut off debate. The Senate no longer has that rule on its books.
What happened to the Senate’s rule? In 1805, Vice President Aaron Burr was presiding over the Senate (freshly indicted for the murder of Alexander Hamilton), and he offered this advice. He said something like this. You are a great deliberative body. But a truly great Senate would have a cleaner rule book. Yours is a mess. You have lots of rules that do the same thing. And he singles out the previous question motion.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
Seems in the Burr playbook though. He, to that point, saw himself as presidential material. I believe he even thought he would not be elected after the Hamilton thing, but that would not preclude him from being in the Senate.
He may have seen it as a way to consolidate future power.
12:00 – gathering at the plaza
– 11:00 – artists/musicians gather at Mosswood Park, march to the plaza at 11:30
– 12:00 – children meet at the main library, march to the plaza
That’s about all I know too. Where’d you hear about the children’s part? I’m considering pulling the kids out of their school to participate, but I’m unsure how they’ll hold up to crowds and marching. Of course, since they go to Malcolm X their curriculum Wednesday has already been officially revised to teach-in, should they attend.
"Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
Found this; might be what mrs ptbnlfound earlier. Says the stroller+bike brigade gathers at Oakland Public Library at noon, marches at 12:30, then repeats with a 3:00 gather and 3:30 march.
"Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
At the GA last night they announced that they would like as many people as possible who are interested in the march to the port to leave by 4:00 as it will take a while to get there. They encouraged people with bicycles to show up to get to the port as early as possible. As they recognize that flyers have already been distributed saying 5:00 march, there will be a second group departing at 5:00.
I too will skip the Port march part, as I’ll be solo parenting while Nurse Upgrade is at work. But even if I were available, that part seems like the riskiest, both vis the history with cops at protests at the Port, and also because I worry that an insufficient picket line might lead to internal movement conflicts with the Port union members themselves.
I’m letting the kids decide later tonight whether they want to go or not; if yes, we’ll aim for the noon Library families event. If it’s just me I’ll probably head for the plaza at 9:00 AM.
"Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
Agreed on the port march portion, I was just putting out the info for anyone interested. I’m probably going to go at 9. I also think I might go down tonight at 5 for the final organizing meeting.
Also FYI, they gave out the National Lawyers Guild local hotline number:
415-285-1011.
My cria were a duck and a fireman. Trick or treating was fun, but the older cria now wants to retire from trick or treating next year with a full candy pension.
Tell him times are tough, and that in order to complete the construction of your private range of candy mountains you’re going to have to unilaterally defer his retirement and reduce his benefits.
He’s a public employee, I’ll have to raise the marginal tax rate on his little brother (although his candy is currently taxed 90%…dad’s gotta get paid for overhead donchaknow).
This is so bad it may be the work of a provocateur, and even if not, the violent fuck-shit-up crowd has been well and soundly marginalized in the OWS movement, so their call to violence will of course go nowhere.
Still, you’ve gotta appreciate agitprop that begins “You hold the cock of the Empire in your supple hands.”
"Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
My son has decided to join me, hooray! He’s good at protesting. “No vegetables for cookies! No vegetables for cookies!” So we’ll aim for the library at noon and subsequent march to the plaza, and will keep eyes out for ptbnl and sslinger and the rest of you FKers. Since the calendar is right I’ll be wearing my black Dio De Las A’s tee-shirt.
"Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
I think our plan now is to start at Mosswood Park at 11, if you’d like to join us there. Then we’ll march down Broadway with the musicians, and peel off to the library at a suitable juncture.
MacArthur BART to Mosswood to Main Library to Plaza is probably more walking than young Segundo is good for. I’ll look for you at the library and/or plaza.
"Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
I’ll be going down there at nine, so who knows where I’ll be by noon. You both have my cell #s so feel free to text me, as that’s usually more effective than calling in large crowds. Nothing really new from the meeting tonight, except that there will be main gatherings at 14th & Broadway, then side marches to banks & companies that have been deemed evil enough to try to shut down. No mention if Oaksterdam U is on that list, but based on walking around OGP there are plenty of patients.
I would posit that no real concrete agenda is good. Stops some half assed not effective nominal solution from government being able to divide the movement.
I agree with this. The key right now is sustaining the visible expression of outrage from broad segments of American society; OWS has been phenomenally successful thus far in influencing the national discussion. I honestly don’t remember a prior point in my lifetime when issues of fundamental, systemic economic inquality were discussed at any length at all in the mainstream media…and now it’s the biggest story going, and has been for weeks!
A specific platform would only detract from this now. What the movement will evolve into (if anything) remains to be seen, but the tactics of the moment are doing great; the strategies for the future must be developed, but not at the expense of what we’ve got going right now.
It depends what you mean by cohesive platform.
I think “Implement policies that will promote recovery/economic equality” is a fine cohesive platform (like “No Taxes, No government” works for the Tea Party). I don’t think OWS should be drafting legislation, because I think their role should be pushing for more at all times.
If Republicans in Congress
do anythingare willing to passanythingsome sort of Buffett-rule enforcing tax reform (and they aren’t), then you need to start thinking about how long to push before endorsing. As things stand now, though, where option 1 is no change and option 2 is the worst tax policies ever (Cain, Perry), I do not see why they are obligated to get specific.For example.
That is pretty fucking cool.
On some level, it’s getting remarkably tiring to hear about them when they aren’t actually doing anything. It’s starting to come across as “Waaaah I don’t like the way things are, have no solution to the problem, but I’m just going to sit here on my ass until someone ELSE comes up with a solution I’m happy with.” While I don’t at all disagree with there essentially being option 1 & 2 above… nor do I disagree that both of those suck ass (#1 much more than #2), but the “can’t someone else do it” thing gets old, quick. The movement as a whole doesn’t need to step up and provide a direction, but someone within the movement as an individual voice does. Otherwise you’re rally around laziness, which isn’t much different than what we have now outside of the venomous hate being spewed back and forth.
I disagree that #1 is worse than #2. Strongly.
Also, you’re right. If only someone would propose a better tax plan. Or help people with their student loans. Or their mortgages. If someone did that, oh boy!
The problem with proposing concrete change is that right now it’s impossible. There is no liberal policy so overwhelmingly popular that it would get a single conservative vote, and there are too many conservatives to pass anything given that. Executive action is limited (and none of those links above are complete solutions, in part for that reason), but I believe OWS has had (and will have) a role in making it happen. I also don’t think there is any shortage of good policy ideas out there, so there is no particular need for someone within OWS to propose any.
I really can’t see how bad policy (seriously BAD policy) is better than no change. Especially when the people who would elect those people into power would support them through thick and thin regardless of the destruction they would reign.
The reality is Obama can’t do shit. It’s not his fault, but he’s a useless President precisely because there’s nothing he can do to enact change. I’m not saying that as a criticism, but more agreeing with the point you’re making. But no one can make the changes we need. Especially no one in office. As long the entire country can’t vote for the elected officials in the Red States (or vice versa I suppose), nothing will change. Everyone thinks their “guy” is on the right path and back them, and everyone else is failing and needs to be booted from office. That gains us nothing.
When I say someone needs to step up out of OWS, I DON’T mean an elected official nor someone seeking political office. I mean someone with a credible idea, one that will work and that doesn’t compromise. Someone who will stand up to the heat and criticism with a plan that will do likewise. Short of that, nothing will change. Someone needs to become the voice of the people in a way that crosses party lines. Patience won’t end this stalemate nor will waiting for one side or the other to royally fuck up in away that loses their support.
This is mostly why I’m a major proponent of calling it a day and splitting up the country.
did some research, it still seems as if that mortgage fix isn’t gonna help a lot of people so much as look good on paper.
Thanks, and go As.
It seems that’s the consensus (small positive, not big positive). There is more he could do without congress, and I hope he does.
TWOWSS
And good on ’em.
Anyone want to join me at the General Strike Wednesday? I’m hella striking!
We’ll be there and would love to meet up.
There’s a children’s event that we’ll be going to – meet at the main library at noon and march to the plaza – but our other plans are indefinite as yet.
I’m planning on going and would like to meet up as well. I think I’ll go down to the GA tonight to find out more about what the plans are for the day.
Keep me posted, I have both you and ptbnl’s #s for texting hookups.
I don’t know if I’ll be taking tke kids out of school or not; if I do, I may look inot the kids option at the library.
Be careful with that. Striking is a fireable offense in most labor contracts. Im going to go to the 5pm one I think.
That’s now a march to the port & attempted blockade, right?
City workers got permission, no?
No.
Is this wrong:
Or are we just interpreting it differently?
That’s correct. Employees who arrange to take the day off ahead of time will suffer no consequences.
As a practical matter, though, I expect that the plaza is going to be so jammed with strikers/protestors all day that the city will for all intents and purposes be shut down, adn probably they’ll tell people to just go home (or not bother to show up). And if the strikers put up a picket line, it’s over, folks won’t cross.
Oh I thought you were asking if there was a sanctioned strike, which is different.
Fair enough. My union vocab is definitely not precise.
Basically walking off the job is a fireable offense in most cases. In order for it not to be the union and usually the Central Labor Council has to sanction the strike. The company letting you take time off isn’t a sactioned strike. I mean you could use your time for watching law and order re runs if you wanted to instead of going down to Occupy.
Can’t we do both? Except scratch Law and Order reruns and insert look at porn.
More seriously, this obviously isn’t a General Strike in the sense the term has always been understood, but given that the unionized part of the workforce is only a fraction of what it was back in that day, perhaps the term could use redefinition.
“Take The Day Off Any Way You Can And Protest The Injustice/Inequity/Thuggery” is what the day is. And 10,000 people or more might show up and functionally shut down downtown Oakland. Efficacy short- or long-term aside, that’s about as close to a General Strike as we’re likely to see anytime soon. And General Strike sounds way cooler.
I still like the 1946-era “Worker’s Holiday”.
They’d have a shit ton more success if they did it on Thanksgiving or Christmas.
I would agree that this is a more modern definition. I wish we could do wildcat strikes like in the olden days though.
I’ve taken a day off using available leave through the proper channels, so I’m all good. Plus, my union is looking out for its members who choose to participate.
I know your union intimately, and I wouldn’t vouch for how looking out for you they could do let a lone would do. If you took the day off through proper channels youre all good though.
This conversation is treading too close to ground I wish to avoid, but suffice it to say, it’s not a problem.
Fair enough.
{snerk}
like, biblically?
He fucked the hot chick treasurer, Bloom.
Thanks, and go As.
Of course he did. He’s a dirty, dirty hipster.
I think I’ll just declare an early Buy Nothing Day. I’m parsimonious enough, that comes naturally anyway.
I’ll be there. Probably noon by myself and 5 with the kids.
Are third parties permanently doomed to be an anachronism and a thrown-away vote?
Would a FKton(ne) of third-party votes compared to past two-major-candidate years be a credible shot across the bow of the major parties?
The only way you’ll get there is with IRV (or similar) voting.
That said, only one of the two major parties is completely broken these days…
emphasis being on “completely”
I’m not sure either party is technically broken.
Is it possible to force elected officials to not be affiliated with a party? That would be ideal even if completely impossible. Forget about adding a third party and eliminate parties altogether.
I don’t think you’d want that even if it were possible.
I’ve heard that before, particularly from Government/Poli-Sci teachers I’ve had. Their argument is to tell me how great the two party system is because it allows them to pass laws easier. But personally, I think it makes it easier to pass horribly compromised, ineffective, inefficient laws easier. While blocking anyone from even trying to make one that would/could work. So the idea of everyone forced to stand on their own two feet and make their decisions on their own holds a big appeal to me. Would it work out better? Probably not. But seeing the sheep like herding we see along party lines we have now and how much it’s “done” for the country isn’t a very persuasive argument to me for keeping it.
“Forcing” people not to be able to associate with like-minded otehrs, and to organize themselves into parties accordingly, is about as anti-democractic as it gets. Which is why teh right to organize parties is pretty high on the list of demands from the opposition in every dictatorship.
For the record, I was not saying that in terms of “people not to be able to associate with like-minded others”, there’s little wrong with that (which makes what I’d like all the more tricky to ever be of practical implementation), so much the full organization of a party.
The “party as a corporation” thing is what I have a huge issue with. And in terms of what DFA said below, for all practical purposes, we’re already there. I find the notion that you can’t sit around with common folk and discuss things like semi-rational adults just because you can’t have an official umbrella of a socio-corporate entity within a democracy to be a load of BS. There would absolutely be voting blocks in any sort of system, it’s the natural course of things. But those voting blocks should be common views on individual cases decided by each individual on a case by case basis, not essentially forced down on you by a party leader who has more than enough money to knock you out of office when your term is up if you’re standing in the way of what they consider progress.
You’ll only get there with a more forgiving voting system.
I’m perfectly fine making changes to the voting system as well.
I hear what you’re saying, certainly. But you simply can’t tell people how they can or cannot organize themselves. Parties believe, correctly, that they’re more effective when organized across multiple issues, not just issue-by-issue.
That’s fine. That’s going to happen. We agree on this and that, not so much about this or that, and neither of us have opinion about x/y so we’ll vote with you as a pact because you care about y/x. There’s undeniably strength in pact voting. But when the pack voting develops into a corporate entity, particularly in terms of donation gathering, is where it becomes an issue.
The problem is that this isn’t parliament. But eliminating parties leads to more power concentrated on wealthy people because they would be the only folks with the resources to run campaigns and get their name out there. Without that it would all be Bloombergs.
But for a mistake of history, we would have just had an epic two years of great laws being passed. Aaron Burr is an asshole.
I think you spelled ben nelson wrong.
Its been a while since I read any Founding fathers stuff, what episode do you mean? the period where he thoght he was screwed out of the presidency? or before?
He (unintentionally) created the fillibuster. Absent his mistake, Ben Nelson wouldn’t have mattered at all. Or Lieberman. Or Landrieu.
Ah, Mr. Burr, he always had his best interest at heart.
Well, in fairness, this was pretty clearly not intentional.
Seems in the Burr playbook though. He, to that point, saw himself as presidential material. I believe he even thought he would not be elected after the Hamilton thing, but that would not preclude him from being in the Senate.
He may have seen it as a way to consolidate future power.
If anyone knows/finds out more, please add.
AFAIK the current overall plans include:
9:00 – gathering at the plaza
12:00 – gathering at the plaza
– 11:00 – artists/musicians gather at Mosswood Park, march to the plaza at 11:30
– 12:00 – children meet at the main library, march to the plaza
17:00 – gathering at the plaza, march to the port
I see “plaza” and read “pizza”…
Imagine there’s no pizza.
It’s easy if you try.
Um, I can no longer eat pizza. Like, ever.
I saw the same thing. My interest was immediately piqued. Then i saw plaza and my interest went bye bye.
That’s about all I know too. Where’d you hear about the children’s part? I’m considering pulling the kids out of their school to participate, but I’m unsure how they’ll hold up to crowds and marching. Of course, since they go to Malcolm X their curriculum Wednesday has already been officially revised to teach-in, should they attend.
mrs ptbnl found it on facebook
Found this; might be what mrs ptbnlfound earlier. Says the stroller+bike brigade gathers at Oakland Public Library at noon, marches at 12:30, then repeats with a 3:00 gather and 3:30 march.
That looks like it.
Though the 2nd march leaves at 4:30, after sidewalk chalking, t-shirt making, etc
I think we’ll probably do both, but *not* join the 5pm march to the port.
At the GA last night they announced that they would like as many people as possible who are interested in the march to the port to leave by 4:00 as it will take a while to get there. They encouraged people with bicycles to show up to get to the port as early as possible. As they recognize that flyers have already been distributed saying 5:00 march, there will be a second group departing at 5:00.
I too will skip the Port march part, as I’ll be solo parenting while Nurse Upgrade is at work. But even if I were available, that part seems like the riskiest, both vis the history with cops at protests at the Port, and also because I worry that an insufficient picket line might lead to internal movement conflicts with the Port union members themselves.
I’m letting the kids decide later tonight whether they want to go or not; if yes, we’ll aim for the noon Library families event. If it’s just me I’ll probably head for the plaza at 9:00 AM.
Agreed on the port march portion, I was just putting out the info for anyone interested. I’m probably going to go at 9. I also think I might go down tonight at 5 for the final organizing meeting.
Also FYI, they gave out the National Lawyers Guild local hotline number:
415-285-1011.
So.
Somebody on my FB feed posted a picture of a little girl, probably 7 or 8, dressed as “Snook” from that Jersey Shore show.
We’re fucked. As a country I mean. And we deserve it.
Thanks, and go As.
Um, “Snooky” I’m told is her name.
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Whatever, I do what I want!
(also, I believe it’s Snooki with an I)
I’ll take your word for it. I have honestly never watched that show.
Thanks, and go As.
Me neither, but the her name became a media crossover beacon that few could avoid. I probably picked it up from cnn.com.
I just rely on links from you FKers for all my news.
Thanks, and go As.
why, you must think Florida is chock full of nothing but crazy people!
[thinks for a moment]
hmm.
My cria were a duck and a fireman. Trick or treating was fun, but the older cria now wants to retire from trick or treating next year with a full candy pension.
Tell him times are tough, and that in order to complete the construction of your private range of candy mountains you’re going to have to unilaterally defer his retirement and reduce his benefits.
Tell him it’s time for his performance review.
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He’s a public employee, I’ll have to raise the marginal tax rate on his little brother (although his candy is currently taxed 90%…dad’s gotta get paid for overhead donchaknow).
So you’re going as Alan Simpson next year?
So is this a permanent sn change?
Can’t tell the players without a scorecard!
As permanent as the others.
That makes sense.
This is so bad it may be the work of a provocateur, and even if not, the violent fuck-shit-up crowd has been well and soundly marginalized in the OWS movement, so their call to violence will of course go nowhere.
Still, you’ve gotta appreciate agitprop that begins “You hold the cock of the Empire in your supple hands.”
My son has decided to join me, hooray! He’s good at protesting. “No vegetables for cookies! No vegetables for cookies!” So we’ll aim for the library at noon and subsequent march to the plaza, and will keep eyes out for ptbnl and sslinger and the rest of you FKers. Since the calendar is right I’ll be wearing my black Dio De Las A’s tee-shirt.
I think our plan now is to start at Mosswood Park at 11, if you’d like to join us there. Then we’ll march down Broadway with the musicians, and peel off to the library at a suitable juncture.
MacArthur BART to Mosswood to Main Library to Plaza is probably more walking than young Segundo is good for. I’ll look for you at the library and/or plaza.
Just take the HSR!
Thanks, and go As.
Yeah – I anticipate lots of shoulder rides!
I’ll be going down there at nine, so who knows where I’ll be by noon. You both have my cell #s so feel free to text me, as that’s usually more effective than calling in large crowds. Nothing really new from the meeting tonight, except that there will be main gatherings at 14th & Broadway, then side marches to banks & companies that have been deemed evil enough to try to shut down. No mention if Oaksterdam U is on that list, but based on walking around OGP there are plenty of patients.
We’ll be marching under the sign Lily made tonight:
OK, someone tell the kitchen staff at the plaza that Lily is providing as much sweetness as the multitudes might need.
thats really fking cute.