’14 Offseason Hot Stove Grill ← FREE KRAUT!

’14 Offseason Hot Stove Grill 492

notable so far:

Mike Giancarlo Stanton extension finalized with Miami. 13 years, $325 Million. NTC plus an opt-out after he turns 30.

Russ Martin to Toronto – 5 years, 82M, no trade clause.

and, um, the Braves did this.

And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

Thanks, and go As.

492 thoughts on “’14 Offseason Hot Stove Grill

  1. colin Nov 17,2014 10:14 am

    Dave Cameron on the Braves/Cards deal. I didn’t realize that Heyward is already in the last year of his contract. Once I figured that out, I like this deal a lot more for the Braves.

    Russell Martin contract sounds too expensive to me, seeing as he’ll be 36 by the end of it. But this is already shaping up to be a spendy offseason, so maybe it’ll look good by the time March rolls around.

    Fangraphs 2015 free agent bargains — Martin was #3 on the list, but for a lot less money than he ended up getting. Yes please on Brandon McCarthy. Also, I like grover’s Gavin Floyd acquisition (not someone on the fangraphs list), assuming that the A’s can find a doctor to confirm that he still has a right elbow.

  2. andeux Nov 17,2014 10:16 am

    I like Russell Martin, but wow that’s a lot of money and years for a catcher in his 30s.

    TINSTAAFK
  3. nevermoor Nov 17,2014 10:39 am

    As a keeper-league owner of Stanton, I dislike the deal. He now knows essentially his career earnings whether or not he swings a bat again

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • MikeV Nov 17,2014 11:39 am || Up

      Eh, he can opt out after 5 years and sign an even bigger deal a la ARod.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • Future Ed Nov 17,2014 12:08 pm || Up

        yeah, I say he opts out. Unless the market totally tanks.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • nevermoor Nov 17,2014 1:33 pm || Up

        I hope so.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • MikeV Nov 17,2014 1:55 pm || Up

      More than I make per year…. daily.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • nevermoor Nov 17,2014 1:59 pm || Up

        You should hit baseballs harder.

        But yes, its crazy that we are here. That’s legit Forbes-y wealth if he does anything at all productive with the money

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • MikeV Nov 17,2014 2:01 pm || Up

          I kick soccer balls pretty hard. WHERE’S MY CRISTIANO MONEY.

          Oh wait I’m not tall and ridiculously good looking.

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

          • Glorious Mundy Nov 17,2014 2:14 pm || Up

            Eh, he’s my height and not that good looking.

            • MikeV Nov 17,2014 2:27 pm || Up

              I mean he’s no Diego Forlan or Carlos Bocanegra, but CR7 is one pretty motherFKer.

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

          • AV Nov 17,2014 2:17 pm || Up

            you’re at least as cute as
            messi
            zatlan
            neymar
            falcao
            bale
            rooney
            agüero
            toure
            torres
            van persie

            RIBERY!

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
            • Glorious Mundy Nov 17,2014 2:23 pm || Up

              Rooney? That’s harsh.

              • AV Nov 17,2014 2:30 pm || Up

                yeah. i almost stopped there but snuck a peek at how far till ribery, cause he’s definitely the prize.

                *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
            • MikeV Nov 17,2014 2:31 pm || Up

              TBH I don’t think Messi is very attractive as far as the mancrush thing goes.

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

      • elcroata Nov 19,2014 11:49 pm || Up

        Try calling yourself GiancarloV

        Because survival is insufficient
        • GiancarloV Nov 20,2014 9:27 am || Up

          Still nothing. :(

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

          • AV Nov 20,2014 9:38 am || Up

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  4. MikeV Nov 17,2014 12:02 pm

    I assume this showed up in my Google Now feed because of A’s stuff so I read it and wanted to wash my eyes out with bleach.

    Toonces is dumb.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • 5Aces Nov 17,2014 12:28 pm || Up

      Here we go again…

      Email me.

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • MikeV Nov 17,2014 12:32 pm || Up

        OBP isn’t that important because reasons.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • Future Ed Nov 17,2014 12:37 pm || Up

          LOOK AT HOW WELL THEY PLAYED BEFORE THE TRADE!!!!!

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • 5Aces Nov 17,2014 12:54 pm || Up

            I do like that he admits it isnt causation, or correlation, it is just the magicks.

            Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • 5Aces Nov 17,2014 12:53 pm || Up

          OBP has become excruciatingly fashionable

          But what is his batting average? Or his DINGERRZZZZZ…

          Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
          • elcroata Nov 18,2014 5:00 am || Up

            Go ahead, try to spot the difference. I’m serious, go ahead, I dare you. I fucking double-dare you, you goat!

            Home runs have become excruciatingly fashionable when in fact the difference between 36 Home Runs and 4 Home Runs is just about exactly one more Home Run in a week.

            Because survival is insufficient
        • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 17,2014 1:18 pm || Up

          If he magically succeeded more at the plate, he’d have a higher OBP, so that means we don’t have to worry about the whole OBP part

          • nevermoor Nov 17,2014 3:00 pm || Up

            That’s my favorite part.

            (1) I like player A
            (2) You’d like player A too if he was better than he is
            (3) Player A would be pretty good (but not a star!) if he was better than he is
            (4) Let’s sign him!

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • MikeV Nov 17,2014 3:01 pm || Up

            50 points of OBP is basically nothing.

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

            • nevermoor Nov 17,2014 3:07 pm || Up

              100 points of OBP is just 2x nothing. And we all know what 0*2 is! I mean, who gives a crap about two walks a week. Walks suck!

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • vignette17 Nov 17,2014 4:04 pm || Up

                Normally I can at least sort of understand where Nico is coming from. But that article is terribad.

                • dmoas Nov 17,2014 4:07 pm || Up

                  That’s because in the past he’d be publicly called out for his idiocy. Now, he’ll delete and ban opposition.

            • Englishmajor Nov 19,2014 12:20 am || Up

              If .294 is the same as .300, can I have .006?

              • ptbnl Nov 19,2014 12:23 am || Up

                The difference between .293 and .300 is 007

                If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • MikeV Nov 19,2014 8:35 am || Up

                  [citation needed]

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • nevermoor Nov 19,2014 10:43 am || Up
                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • MikeV Nov 19,2014 10:51 am || Up

                  Yes, Virginia, there *is* an XKCD for everything.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • nevermoor Nov 19,2014 10:58 am || Up

                  That’s one of my all-time favorites, and I’m pretty disappointed it hasn’t become a defining theme of political speeches.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • dmoas Nov 19,2014 11:31 am || Up

                  Man, it really should. It should be the most prominent remark on any political comment section too.

        • DFA Nov 18,2014 4:08 pm || Up

          And yes… that pile of steaming horseshit is in the Sabermetrics section of the site… LOL

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • dmoas Nov 17,2014 2:51 pm || Up

      That shit shows up in the Yahoo feed and before even seeing the ** connection to it, I think, we that may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Then see it, laugh, and don’t bother clicking on that garbage.

    • doctorK Nov 17,2014 3:38 pm || Up

      I thought about making an insulting, ban-worthy comment on that thread. But then I decided that I really don’t give a FK anymore.

      But yeah, that column is 50 shades of stupid.

      • elcroata Nov 18,2014 5:16 am || Up

        The scary thing is, Nico is not even the stupidest commenter in the thread.

        Because survival is insufficient
        • doctorK Nov 18,2014 8:19 am || Up

          The comments reminded me why I’m glad I very rarely venture back into that place any more.

          • nevermoor Nov 18,2014 10:40 am || Up

            Didn’t read them. Is there anyone at all that I’d recognize as non-stupid who still bothers?

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • grover Nov 18,2014 11:00 am || Up

              NateHST. Taj makes the occasional appearance. Me sometimes.

              • nevermoor Nov 18,2014 11:56 am || Up

                Must be painful. I flipped through and saw essentially all of the behaviors that drove me crazy at the end.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • grover Nov 18,2014 12:54 pm || Up

                  He edited the title of my fanpost when he promoted it to the Front Page. I understand and don’t even object to why he did it but a head’s up would have been nice, considering.

                • nevermoor Nov 18,2014 1:03 pm || Up

                  You should be grateful that he deigned to read it at all!!!1

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • grover Nov 18,2014 1:06 pm || Up

                  Well, if you take him at his word…

                  He didn’t read it before posting it. And then he said I was very welcome for putting it on the Front Page after I asked what happened to the title.

                • MikeV Nov 18,2014 1:49 pm || Up

                  Nice to see that he’s still a complete piece of shit.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • dmoas Nov 18,2014 2:20 pm || Up

                  Now hold on. Don’t insult pieces of shit by comparing them to… shit, I can’t think of an appropriate term for him.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 18,2014 5:09 pm || Up

                  Ah, antagonism and an over-sized ego, the two main ingredients for success

              • elcroata Nov 18,2014 11:59 am || Up

                Second that on Nate

                Because survival is insufficient
              • Future Ed Nov 18,2014 2:25 pm || Up

                BHW seems reasonable

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • natehst Nov 18,2014 2:48 pm || Up

                I’ve tried but have never been able to stick out a full switch over to FK because there’s a lot of non-A’s news and banter that can be confusing to sift through having not been here since its inception. As dumb as AN is, it’s all A’s all the time.

                I do miss y’all though.

                • Englishmajor Nov 18,2014 2:59 pm || Up

                  a lot of non-A’s news and banter that can be confusing to sift through

                  Tagline!

                  We miss you too.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 18,2014 5:17 pm || Up

                  Hope you stick around more! It’s true that the A’s talk is usually intermingled with non-A’s talk here, but if you’re craving poorly reasoned player acquisition proposals over here, by god, I’m sure we can find ways to step up and deliver

                • Glorious Mundy Nov 18,2014 5:23 pm || Up

                  Look for my upcoming opus on why the A’s should sign Torii Hunter for his leadershipy locker room presence.

                • Kay Temple Kirk Nov 18,2014 9:18 pm || Up

                  We’re pretty much meta free over here now that I finally have my meds balanced out!

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • Future Ed Nov 18,2014 9:28 pm || Up

                  that doesn’t mean we are nonsense free.

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • elcroata Nov 18,2014 10:19 pm || Up

                  Free Kraut, a no-nonsense-free site

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • 5Aces Nov 18,2014 11:28 pm || Up

                  Content removed.

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
                • AV Nov 18,2014 11:34 pm || Up

                  [thanks lucky stars that he’s a malcontent]

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • Kay Temple Kirk Nov 19,2014 9:12 pm || Up

                  muahahahah

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • nevermoor Nov 19,2014 10:46 am || Up

                  I’ve found that it’s really hard for meta to take over since I made clear that there are no “refs” for anyone to work. There’s enough respect to go around, so when people disagree they work it out or take a break.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 10:49 am || Up

                  Or delete the whole site.

                • elcroata Nov 19,2014 10:54 am || Up

                  I reserved freekraut.hr

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • colin Nov 19,2014 11:21 am || Up

                  It’s funny cuz it’s true.

                • elcroata Nov 19,2014 10:51 am || Up

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • nevermoor Nov 19,2014 10:45 am || Up

                  Also, you have every right to create a thread here (about anything, however you want to write it) and ask that people stick to the A’s. I wouldn’t enforce the rule, but I bet you’d find people respecting that.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • 5Aces Nov 19,2014 11:20 am || Up

                  I would have until you said you think we would. Now I will just go in and say “DINGERRZZZZZZ” in reply to everything.

                  Really though I think you can work your way through most of the running gags without too much trouble. Just know everything Bed says is a joke, anything I say you can skip, anything that sounds uppity and suburban is probably a joke at DFA’s expense, and cricket rules!

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
                • Future Ed Nov 19,2014 1:54 pm || Up

                  windies are looking good!

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • ptbnl Nov 17,2014 11:47 pm || Up

      Waiting for code to do its thing I finally succumbed. Wow – so much stupid and some unflagged Hillary-bashing to boot!

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • James V. Nov 19,2014 11:14 am || Up

      Not even gonna read anything he has to say.

  5. MikeV Nov 17,2014 3:00 pm

    wat

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • Glorious Mundy Nov 17,2014 3:04 pm || Up

      Should be better than Gomes at least.

      • MikeV Nov 17,2014 3:05 pm || Up

        you were saying?

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • dmoas Nov 17,2014 3:23 pm || Up

          He should be better than Gomes as well.

        • andeux Nov 17,2014 3:40 pm || Up

          Heh.

          TINSTAAFK
          • dmoas Nov 17,2014 4:06 pm || Up

            Anal Ash Sex

            • ptbnl Nov 17,2014 5:10 pm || Up

              Ah, nasal sex.

              If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
            • DFA Nov 18,2014 2:29 pm || Up

              Well he does have a thing for (probably nsfw but true and hilarious)

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 18,2014 1:05 pm || Up

            The bad news is he’s another Duke guy. The good news is he has descriptive Yelp reviews.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
            • DFA Nov 18,2014 4:12 pm || Up

              well this is what i get for keeping a tab open for a while.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • AV Nov 18,2014 4:18 pm || Up

                is it still open? i’d like a rusty nail please.

                *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • andeux Nov 18,2014 4:21 pm || Up

                  I think you misunderstood.

                  TINSTAAFK
                • 5Aces Nov 18,2014 7:44 pm || Up

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
                • AV Nov 18,2014 7:50 pm || Up

                  gimme a pepsi free.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • James V. Nov 19,2014 7:33 am || Up

                  You want a Pepsi, pal, you’re gonna pay for it.

                • MikeV Nov 19,2014 8:36 am || Up

                  confession: I liked crystal pepsi.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • 5Aces Nov 19,2014 8:40 am || Up

                  My favorite soft drink ever was Cherry Cola Slice.

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
                • James V. Nov 19,2014 8:57 am || Up

                  I’m probably one of the handful of people who liked Pepsi Kona when it was being test marketed in the Philly area while I was in college. It tasted like Pepsi, then when you swallowed it had a bit of a coffee aftertaste. I don’t even like coffee straight up, but I liked this.

                • AV Nov 18,2014 7:52 pm || Up

                  oh wait. that’s the guy who was in lust in the dust. total trooper.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
          • Soaker Nov 19,2014 8:40 am || Up

            Billy Butler: Bill, Try Lube.

            What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • andeux Nov 17,2014 3:05 pm || Up

      His intangibles got the Royals to the WS!
      Also, yuck.
      Though he does have maybe the best nickname in MLB.

      TINSTAAFK
      • Glorious Mundy Nov 17,2014 3:07 pm || Up

        Anybody with his own line of barbecue sauce is alright by me.

      • dmoas Nov 17,2014 3:23 pm || Up

        I kind of like his numbers against lefties.

        • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 17,2014 4:09 pm || Up

          Yeah I doubt the A’s would sign him with the intent of making him a full time player

          • bear88 Nov 17,2014 8:57 pm || Up

            But how much would a platoon hitting DH cost? Nothing against having someone who hits lefties well, but that’s not a top-dollar skill.

            He’s a little younger than I thought.

            • dmoas Nov 17,2014 9:14 pm || Up

              Well, that’s always the question. I certainly wouldn’t pay top dollar for him.

              • Future Ed Nov 17,2014 9:46 pm || Up

                he had a pretty bad year for him. so maybe there is a bargain to be had

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • 5Aces Nov 18,2014 6:54 am || Up

                  I thought right after the series he said a few things about really wanting to be back in KC. You would think if there was a legit deal to be found they would be the ones to find it-hometown discount and what not.

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
          • natehst Nov 18,2014 3:07 pm || Up

            I’d love him as a RH platoon DH, but that means they probably won’t get him. It’s in his best interest to play somewhere full-time, since he’s only 28 and he could ash in one more time in his early 30s, assuming a return to pre-2014 form.

            • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 18,2014 5:26 pm || Up

              Yeah, if I were him, I’d look for a one year rebound offer as a full time DH somewhere. If that’s not available, I could see him taking a platoon type role with guaranteed playing time rather than taking a job without a clear path to playing time or that puts him in a worse position to succeed (read: NL) though.

              I’m not convinced a return to 2-3 WAR DH form is in the cards though. There aren’t obvious rebound signs from last year. He saw a lot more off-speed stuff and pretty much every stat and indicator for him took a step backwards. Whoever signs him is going off former track record alone (unless we hear about a hidden injury I suppose)

  6. batgirl Nov 18,2014 12:42 pm

    Smart phone advice needed!

    1. Any thoughts on other carriers besides Verizon (ideally a cheaper plan that still has decent coverage…) I use almost no data and am the type to frequently either forget to charge my phone, or forget to bring it altogether, so you can see this is not a priority for me. But could become a priority, so I don’t want to get stuck with shitty service by switching from verizon.

    2. Where can I buy a used smart phone, and what would I need to know in advance to be sure it is usable? I once bought a DirectTV Tivo box on ebay for $20 only to find out I couldn’t use it because the previous owner was not current on their bill. Anything like that I need to worry about? mikeV–didn’t you mention some website a while ago?

    • andeux Nov 18,2014 1:16 pm || Up

      1. Check out Page Plus. They use Verizon’s network, so will have the same coverage as Verizon, and they have some dirt cheap prepaid or pay-as-you-go plans, especially if you are mostly doing voice or text as opposed to data. I switched away (to t-mobile) when I got a smart phone, but I would still recommend them if they have a good plan for your usage.

      2. a) Make sure it is the right type of phone for your carrier (CDMA vs. GSM)
      b) Make sure it is either made for your carrier, or unlocked.
      c) It needs to have a clean ESN which can be a pain to verify.

      TINSTAAFK
    • MikeV Nov 18,2014 2:04 pm || Up

      1. Considering that data is not a priority, you actually have a ton of options. Honestly I would recommend a prepaid carrier such as Page Plus like andeux mentioned or Straight Talk which gives you the option of either T-Mobile or AT&T towers for $45 per month. T-Mobile also has a $45 monthly plan that has unlimited talk/text and 2GB of data that is cut off if you hit your limit, or a $50 plan that’s 1GB of data that’s just slowed down once you reach your limit. Republic Wireless is also a good choice *IF* Sprint has good coverage in your area. Republic makes you use their phones though, but they offer the Moto X and Moto G which are both fantastic devices. Another pretty good option is Cricket Wireless, they use AT&T towers and since data is not a premium for you (yet) it doesn’t really matter that they limit data speeds. $35 monthly if you set up autopay and you get unlimited talk/text and 1GB data.

      2. Swappa.com is the site I mentioned, and they vet all the devices listed for sale so that they are usable and unlocked etc etc.

      Honestly I’d probably say go with a Moto G for $179 brand new and then get the $40 (35 on autopay) Cricket service, and then if you end up needing more/better data consider going to T-Mobile for another 10 bucks a month later. Cricket is no contract so it’s not big deal to switch pretty much anytime.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • DFA Nov 18,2014 4:11 pm || Up

        thoroughly agree on swappa… had a really great experience on there.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • batgirl Nov 18,2014 3:16 pm || Up

      Thanks to both of you–this is excellent info and is just what I needed to know!!

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 18,2014 5:21 pm || Up

        Warny warny, I’ve found that Sprint has horrible coverage in Berkeley.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Kay Temple Kirk Nov 18,2014 9:38 pm || Up

          and in the large unincorporated area between Sacramento and Rancho Cordova.

          Sprint is a very bubbly swiss cheese.

          \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • batgirl Nov 19,2014 3:40 pm || Up

          Anyone have thoughts on T-mobile? They have a good family plan which would help my parents out if we did it together. Is their coverage crap?

          My dad said Hell No to AT&T and when I talked to Sprint they seemed to not be what I wanted.

          • MikeV Nov 19,2014 3:57 pm || Up

            I switched to T-Mobile and it’s worlds better than Sprint. Also they sorta try to not be complete assholes like Verizon and ATT.

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

          • Future Ed Nov 19,2014 6:25 pm || Up

            I use credo, which is on the sprint network and kinda on the spendy side, but I have unlimited data, which you don’t need, but its a good progressive company

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
  7. MikeV Nov 18,2014 6:11 pm

    Uh, what the fucking fuck

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • Englishmajor Nov 18,2014 6:19 pm || Up

      I said similar bad words in the office.

    • Future Ed Nov 18,2014 6:22 pm || Up

      2015, 2016 AND 2017?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • Glorious Mundy Nov 18,2014 6:24 pm || Up

        The window is open, y’all.

        • Future Ed Nov 18,2014 6:33 pm || Up

          hey, now we have a legit right handed power bat to flip in 2017 for a b-/c+ pitching prospect.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • andeux Nov 18,2014 6:56 pm || Up

            He hit 9 HR last year.

            TINSTAAFK
            • Future Ed Nov 18,2014 7:04 pm || Up

              that’s 9 more than you, smart guy

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • nevermoor Nov 19,2014 10:49 am || Up

                Plus, in Oakland it would probably have been 5!!!

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 10:51 am || Up

                  Kauffman’s less homer friendly than the Coli.

                • nevermoor Nov 19,2014 10:58 am || Up

                  Double digits!!!

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • elcroata Nov 18,2014 10:20 pm || Up

              If he only hits one more every week…

              Because survival is insufficient
              • 5Aces Nov 18,2014 11:29 pm || Up

                Damn, beat me by 1 hour.

                Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
              • nevermoor Nov 19,2014 10:48 am || Up

                I laughed out loud.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • 5Aces Nov 19,2014 11:21 am || Up

                And your FB comment took it to a whole other level. I almost want to create fake accounts just to relike it more.

                Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • Glorious Mundy Nov 18,2014 6:22 pm || Up

      Come back, Farhan. We don’t know what we’re doing now.

      • MikeV Nov 18,2014 6:28 pm || Up

        This should be a fireable offense.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

      • grover Nov 18,2014 6:52 pm || Up

        I think it was Forst who said the A’s had some financial flexibility this offseason.

        Obviously they are expecting to compensate for their DH not having much….

        • Future Ed Nov 18,2014 6:55 pm || Up

          heh

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Glorious Mundy Nov 18,2014 6:59 pm || Up

          The more I think about this rumor, the less sense it makes. The Royals turned down a $12.5 million option on him and we’re going to give him almost that much per year for 3? I call BS.

          • Glorious Mundy Nov 18,2014 7:08 pm || Up

            Also, WhoTF is Robert Murray?

            • Future Ed Nov 18,2014 7:11 pm || Up

              the only murray I know who is a reporter is also the captain of a cruise ship

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • Future Ed Nov 18,2014 7:09 pm || Up

            WE ARE SAVING $880,000 PER YEAR

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • andeux Nov 18,2014 6:36 pm || Up

      At the risk of beating a dead horse, the claim when Cespedes was traded was that the A’s weren’t going to be able to afford to keep him in 2015 anyway.
      But apparently they can afford to pay Billy fking Butler the same amount?

      TINSTAAFK
      • Glorious Mundy Nov 18,2014 6:38 pm || Up

        Who made that claim?

      • MikeV Nov 18,2014 6:40 pm || Up

        The claim was that he was going to be traded after the 2014 season anyway, not that they couldn’t afford him.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

      • Future Ed Nov 18,2014 6:41 pm || Up

        wasn’t it that they wouldn’t re-sign him and that they were going to part him out this winter, yeah?

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • andeux Nov 18,2014 6:53 pm || Up

          Maybe I’m misremembering. It doesn’t make much sense that way either.

          TINSTAAFK
      • grover Nov 18,2014 7:56 pm || Up

        I think the line was “not able to keep him beyond 2015”.

        • DFA Nov 19,2014 7:37 am || Up

          yup this.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • dmoas Nov 18,2014 6:38 pm || Up

      Uh. I kind of like him. But I don’t like him 35/3 much.

      • Jennifer Nov 18,2014 6:46 pm || Up

        His nickname in KC was “Country Breakfast”.

      • grover Nov 18,2014 6:51 pm || Up

        Probably $5 million bonus as part of the $30 million.

    • mother pucker Nov 18,2014 6:42 pm || Up

      Does Butler appear in the dictionary when one looks up “old-man skills”?

      • Kay Temple Kirk Nov 18,2014 9:40 pm || Up

        I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure that’s him on the cover.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • nevermoor Nov 19,2014 10:50 am || Up

          I did miss Matt Stairs, so it’s nice to have him back.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 10:53 am || Up

            He’s Matt Stairs without the power or the arm strength.

            • nevermoor Nov 19,2014 10:59 am || Up

              Or curly hair. This comparison sucks!

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • dmoas Nov 19,2014 11:34 am || Up

                Or the short stature.

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 19,2014 4:25 pm || Up

                  Or the Canadian-ness.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • grover Nov 18,2014 6:53 pm || Up

      That would be bad.

    • lenscrafters Nov 18,2014 6:59 pm || Up

      The A’s did get pretty poor DH production this year. Apparently starting Alberto Callaspo at DH a bunch of times wasn’t a sound strategy. And the rotating DH didn’t exactly help injury prone guys like Coco stay healthy. By that token, Butler’s projected 117 wRC+ will be a sound improvement over the 88 wRC+ they got out of the DH spot.

      Of course, if Butler keeps hitting like he did this year, then he’s basically an expensive Callaspo that will be hanging around for 3 years. Also, I don’t know how this affects Jaso who is certainly a better hitter against righties than Butler and now appears to lack a spot.

      • Future Ed Nov 18,2014 7:06 pm || Up

        he is faster, after all it was his stolen base attempt that propelled the royals to the world series

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • grover Nov 18,2014 7:59 pm || Up

        One of three things re: Jaso

        1) The A’s plan to eliminate him by having him catch in 2015.

        2) They are dead set on converting him to 1B to platoon with Butler and/or Blanks.

        3) A Jaso trade is imminent.

        • DFA Nov 19,2014 7:38 am || Up

          so nothing has changed?

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • grover Nov 19,2014 7:41 am || Up

            My perspective has.

            I thought there was no chance in Hell they’d even consider letting him catch again.

            • 5Aces Nov 19,2014 7:56 am || Up

              I didnt think they should have let him catch last year, so at this point I will assume they will run anyone out there who is in some way medically cleared and says they want to.

              Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
            • colin Nov 19,2014 8:41 am || Up

              I wonder how much agency Jaso has in the decision. If I were him, I would be very very worried about playing catcher again. But I could easy believe that he is one of the people pushing to remain behind the plate. Baseball tough guy stuff. Does anyone know of quotes from him on the subject?

              • MikeV Nov 19,2014 8:44 am || Up

                Isn’t he a (self-proclaimed) hippie, though — or maybe that’s his GF/Wife/whatever she is.

                I dunno, he seems the type that would be worried about his long term health and not so much the tough guy hulk smash jock.

                And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                Thanks, and go As.

              • dmoas Nov 19,2014 9:31 am || Up

                They’ve said it’s up to him whether he catches again or not.

        • natehst Nov 19,2014 7:43 am || Up

          Hopefully option 4) The A’s plan on running with a 5-man bench to provide the sub/pinch-hitting versatility that Butler would take away. Using Chavez as a swing-man would really be ideal.

          • grover Nov 19,2014 8:00 am || Up

            Yes it would.

          • Kay Temple Kirk Nov 19,2014 9:17 pm || Up

            Good idea.

            \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • lenscrafters Nov 19,2014 9:49 am || Up

          As it stands right now, Butler is essentially replacing Fuld. You have Butler and Jaso at 1B/DH, pushing Moss to LF, which was occupied by Fuld/Gentry because of simply not having any other options. I don’t mind this.

          But if 3) happens, Moss moves back to first base, and Fuld is the 75% starter in left field, which eventually becomes full time anyways cause Coco, Reddick, and Gentry will have their injuries. I do mind this.

          • andeux Nov 19,2014 10:19 am || Up

            Is Butler-1B, Moss-LF, Jaso-DH really any better than Butler-DH, Moss-1B, Fuld-LF?

            Projections have Jaso about 100 pts of OPS better than Fuld offensively, which is about 20 runs a year as a full-time player.

            But I can easily see the difference defensively making up for that – say 15 runs in the outfield, and 5 at 1B.

            Let’s see: Career UZR has Fuld 15 runs per year better than Moss in the OF, but Butler a little better than Moss at 1B. If we believe that, Moss should still be the DH in the latter arrangement, and overall the lineup with Jaso is about 5 runs better than the one with Fuld.

            Other considerations are that Blanks also projects as being pretty good (if he can stay on the field), and that there is some cost to carrying so many DH types, especially since, as you mention, Coco/Reddick/Gentry are all such big injury risks. All in all, I’m not convinced using a roster smart on Jaso makes much sense anymore.

            TINSTAAFK
            • lenscrafters Nov 19,2014 10:37 am || Up

              Hard to say. Part of it is if we believe Fuld is really +20 in left field as UZR thinks he is.

            • MikeV Nov 19,2014 10:38 am || Up

              Projections have Jaso about 100 pts of OPS better than Fuld offensively, which is about 20 runs a year as a full-time player.

              That’s not even 1 run a week. Meh.

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

          • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 19,2014 4:26 pm || Up

            I can’t help but wonder if this signing suggests that the front office is pessimistic about Moss’s medical prognosis.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • mikeA Nov 19,2014 10:15 am || Up

          No way will he catch. to me this move says that they think jaso is pretty much finished. They’re not spending all this money to have Butler platoon.

        • Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 10:18 am || Up

          1) Murder by catching?

      • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 19,2014 9:28 am || Up

        If Butler hits like he did last year, the A’s will get a whole 9 extra points of wRC+ out of the DH slot! One point for every home run he hit.

        This is a stupid risk to be taking for the A’s. There aren’t obvious bounce back signs for Butler as far as I can see, so the A’s are committing far too much time and money on an off hope that he can return to previous levels. This is the equivalent of a bad fantasy baseball player drafting Ryan Howard in the single digit rounds because he recognized the name

    • aardvark Nov 18,2014 7:23 pm || Up

      Billy Butler? He was basically a replacement level player last year. And way less fun to watch than, oh, say….anyone!

      I don’t usually hate signings, but I think I hate this one. A DH who hits 9 home runs? FK that.

      • nevermoor Nov 19,2014 10:54 am || Up

        I find I often hate A’s signings these days. Punto and Butler, for example.

        I’m just not convinced we are a smart team anymore, and that’s pretty confusing.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 11:01 am || Up

          I still say signing Punto was a harmless, reasonable move. He’s a perfectly acceptable backup infielder. The problem was not also getting a starting middle infielder. I didn’t expect Lowrie to fall apart at the plate the way he did, but it wasn’t hard to see that we didn’t have someone to play the other MI position.

          • nevermoor Nov 19,2014 11:22 am || Up

            Disagree. A team like the A’s needs a league-minimum guy there. Should be able to get a good-glove no-hit guy with theoretical bits of upside. Instead we got a no-glove no-hit old man for well more than league minimum.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 11:24 am || Up

              I agree that would have been a better value proposition, but I don’t think that Punto’s salary prevented us (or will prevent us) from signing someone better at another position. The budget doesn’t seem to be that rigid under Wolff.

              • nevermoor Nov 19,2014 12:39 pm || Up

                Maybe. But it requires us to have Punto.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • DFA Nov 20,2014 8:18 am || Up

            And we had a league minimum guy available too.

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • Glorious Mundy Nov 18,2014 7:50 pm || Up

      OK Vince.

      • Future Ed Nov 18,2014 7:51 pm || Up

        I am fairly certain he is too boney to actually fall asleep on

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • andeux Nov 18,2014 7:57 pm || Up

        Confidence!
        Consistency*!

        * In this case, mostly lard.

        TINSTAAFK
      • Soaker Nov 18,2014 8:17 pm || Up

        The reality is, the last time Billy signed a right-handed hitting Royals free agent, his name was Emil Brown.

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
        • andeux Nov 18,2014 8:28 pm || Up

          Wrong, he signed Mike Sweeney a month later…

          TINSTAAFK
        • mother pucker Nov 18,2014 9:07 pm || Up

          Technically, Coco would qualify.

    • vignette17 Nov 18,2014 8:22 pm || Up

      So it sort of makes more sense than Johnson did? Except for the 3 years part. Inauspicious start to the offseason….

      This is similar money to what Lowrie will accept. And that would have been a way better acquisition.

      • natehst Nov 18,2014 8:27 pm || Up

        Exactly. If you’re going to commit market value to someone for multiple years, why not do it for someone that fills a greater need than DH? I can’t imagine the A’s had enough wiggle room in the budget for 3/$30MM for Butler, but not enough to sign Lowrie/Hanley/Sandoval/anyone else.

        At the very least, I’m hoping this means there’s a plan to bring in a decent middle infield either by signing or by trade. I would be dumbfounded if they blew their whole budget on Butler and went into next year with Punto/Sogard/Parrino/Ladendorf up the middle.

      • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 19,2014 9:29 am || Up

        As a GM, if Johnson is your bar for free agent signings, you need to reconsider some things in life

    • DFA Nov 19,2014 7:37 am || Up

      FUCK BASEBALL

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  8. Glorious Mundy Nov 18,2014 8:18 pm

    Also the move to San Jose is going to be approved three years ago.

    • DFA Nov 19,2014 7:38 am || Up

      please god fail the physical

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  9. nowBodhi Nov 18,2014 10:18 pm

    The worst part of this whole thing is that he’ll run into a walkoff hit in extras and Vince Cotroneo will exclaim “The Butler did it!”

    Well, that and the declining production and obsidian-gloved fielding skills.

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
  10. elcroata Nov 18,2014 10:34 pm

    Free Kraut for Tanzania!

    So, this is one of the main reasons I’ve been off the grid lately (the other being that our marketing department, true to the old Croatian proverb, saying that it’s easy to beat on the nettles with another man’s dick, promised the market a new tunable laser source, for which I have to build the brain to keep its precision in sub-picometer area).

    We are helping the kids in Moshi build a farm, and Virginia drew quite a lot and I coordinated and programmed this site. We’ve been running for a few days now and already have collected quite a bit:

    What I couldn’t help but notice is that kraut is getting very little love. Just in case anyone wants to do anything about it, here’s the link.

    Cheers

    Because survival is insufficient
    • elcroata Nov 18,2014 11:44 pm || Up

      For those of you who were not around in 2009, this is for these guys:

      Because survival is insufficient
      • elcroata Nov 19,2014 12:11 am || Up

        Oh, golden days. If you click on that story, the next one offered is the one where I wrote a simulator to test the “Crosby effect“. I used the projected line-up for 2010 that had Jake Fox batting clean-up. Fortunately, it never came to that. Unfortunately, his OPS+ of 62 was replaced by Kevin Kouzmanoff and Kurt Suzuki splitting 105 games of batting clean-up with their OPS+ of 84 and 83, respectively.

        So, it could be worse.

        Because survival is insufficient
        • ptbnl Nov 19,2014 12:17 am || Up

          The fearsome Kouzuki.

          If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
          • elcroata Nov 19,2014 12:23 am || Up

            Suzuki did appear on two BR leaderboards for 2010. HBP and GIDP.

            Because survival is insufficient
    • Future Ed Nov 19,2014 4:05 am || Up

      so, you weren’t arrested in Italy for firing off flares?

      and ??

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • elcroata Nov 19,2014 8:06 am || Up

        I’d like to have the time to beat up those idiots one by one

        Because survival is insufficient
  11. James V. Nov 19,2014 8:05 am

    Daric Barton sums up the thoughts of some on the Billy Butler deal (my pic, from Sept. 2010):

    • Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 10:23 am || Up

      Butler’s uniform looks considerably more baggy than in more recent photos.

  12. grover Nov 19,2014 8:06 am

    Fangraphs has this to say about Cole Hamels…

    I don’t necessarily agree on the suggested return, I’ve always felt that the getting-what-you’re-paying-for portion of these discussions gets overlooked.

    But if Sullivan’s trade estimate is in the ballpark than I believe Oakland could offer better. I’m not sure what the fuck Beane is doing but if he’s got a line on a long-term asset at SS other than Robertson then Hamels should be a target.

    • colin Nov 19,2014 8:43 am || Up

      …if he’s got a line on a long-term asset at SS other than Robertson…

      Is there any reason to think that he does?

      • MikeV Nov 19,2014 8:49 am || Up

        Hanley hasn’t signed yet.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

      • grover Nov 19,2014 9:23 am || Up

        Muppet intuition? The A’s either have a budget better than $95 million or a deal in place to trade Kaz/Shark to fill holes and free up money for one of Lowrie/Cabrera/Drew. If none of that os true then they must have a cheap option in mind.

      • elcroata Nov 19,2014 11:05 am || Up

        Perhaps I can convince my good buddy Jimmy Rollins to sign.

        I’ve been exchanging e-mails with the president of Ugandan Baseball Federation for a few months now, because I will visit them and write a story about them (Jay Shapiro’s documentary “Opposite Field” should come out this month, too, I think – if you don’t know the story behind it and are interested, let me know). When I mentioned that I want to go into Bwindi Impenetrable Forest afterwards, he said he would hook me up with a friend of his, who can arrange for the NP permits, transportation and such.

        And that friend wrote to me, “don’t worry, I’ll organize everything just great, I already did for your buddies Jimmy Rollins and Derrek Lee.”

        Because survival is insufficient
        • colin Nov 19,2014 11:25 am || Up

          That’s pretty cool, just as long as you don’t get your good buddy Derrek Lee to sign with the A’s.

          • elcroata Nov 19,2014 11:28 am || Up

            I’m pretty sure he would have hit better than Callaspo last year

            Because survival is insufficient
            • colin Nov 19,2014 11:33 am || Up

              I had a rebuttal about Derrek Lee only being fit to play 1B/DH, but Callaspo had 217 PA at those positions :(

  13. MikeV Nov 19,2014 9:14 am

    Avaya Stadium, Quakes getting $2M/year in sponsor dollars.

    FK that, though — it’s the Epicenter dammit.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • James V. Nov 19,2014 10:08 am || Up

      The Epicenter is in Rancho Cucamonga…unless they’ve done away with the name.

      • AV Nov 19,2014 10:19 am || Up

        out in cucamonga
        many years ago
        near a holy roller church
        there was once a place
        where me and a couple of friends
        began practicing for the time
        we might go on TV
        and as fate would have it
        later on we got a chance to play.
        all we ever really knew:
        that it was crazy
        to be doin’ it any other way.

        (it’s loanmart field now.)

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  14. andeux Nov 19,2014 11:02 am

    Eno Sarris tries to find something to like about the Butler deal.
    Maybe there’s something to the GB/FB thing, but mostly it seems like a stretch.

    TINSTAAFK
    • elcroata Nov 19,2014 11:14 am || Up

      It seems like an awful stretch.

      The A’s are great because they acquire a lot of players who hit a lot of flyballs, which is why adding Butler is great because he doesn’t and there might be some profit from that, but I don’t really know why.

      Because survival is insufficient
      • Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 11:21 am || Up

        I put it in the category of Arneson’s “you need some hitters that aren’t like your other hitters” intuition regarding the Giants/A’s playoff dichotomy.

        My feeling is that it’s a sensible acquisition but for the giving him three years at market value part.

        • colin Nov 19,2014 11:27 am || Up

          Arneson also points out that Butler is a good bad-ball hitter, which is also a rare commodity on the A’s. On the other hand, I’m not at all convinced by his intuition, though that blog post was interesting and a good topic for discussion.

          • elcroata Nov 19,2014 11:31 am || Up

            I think it was him who led me to that post I linked above, when he assumed that the penalty of having a really bad hitter in a lineup (“Crosby Effect”) is higher for teams who hit fewer home runs.

            Because survival is insufficient
  15. Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 11:31 am

    So what do people think about what the Butler signing means for Beane’s overall strategy vis a vis the contention window? My instinct is to say this means they’re holding onto Shark and Kazmir and making a serious run at it in 2015.

    • colin Nov 19,2014 11:34 am || Up

      yabut they need middle infielders from somewhere. If Beane resigns Lowrie and does nothing else, I will stab someone.

      • Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 11:37 am || Up

        Maybe he’s trying to flip Kaz or Shark for a package headed by a ML-ready middle infielder.

    • Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 11:42 am || Up

      Hmmmm

  16. 5Aces Nov 19,2014 11:44 am

    Can anyone give me any interesting details on this wierd Donaldson blow up crap on Twitter? My Reader’s Digest take seems to be that trolls are trolling and JD cant help himself from going overboard. Is there anything I am missing?

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • James V. Nov 19,2014 12:04 pm || Up

      From the little I saw, you mostly have the right of it.

      Social media: both the best and worst thing for fan/player/celebrity interactions.

      • Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 12:06 pm || Up

        All of them need to quit twitter and become Senior Editors for God’s Puppy Illustrated.

  17. Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 12:17 pm

    Good thing correlation = causation!

    • MikeV Nov 19,2014 12:29 pm || Up

      CESPEDES TRADE!!!!one!

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

    • James V. Nov 19,2014 1:00 pm || Up

      This is just such a stretch, unlike anything Butler can do at 1B.

      • Soaker Nov 19,2014 1:11 pm || Up

        If Barton fails to get a NRI somewhere, or a contract in Japan, perhaps there’s a job for him in Oakland as a special coach for first base defense.

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  18. Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 12:19 pm

    Prediction: Red Sox fans are going to start wearing panda hats, and Giants fans are going to continue wearing panda hats. The two most insufferable fan bases in baseball will converge further than previously thought possible.

  19. Glorious Mundy Nov 19,2014 1:12 pm

    Fun!

    • natehst Nov 19,2014 1:33 pm || Up

      I’m more excited about Venditte and Hassan than I am about Billy Butler.

    • andeux Nov 19,2014 1:45 pm || Up

      Best news of the off-season.

      TINSTAAFK
      • dmoas Nov 19,2014 2:20 pm || Up

        I hope he makes the team at some point. I’ve always wanted to watch that.

        • vignette17 Nov 19,2014 2:22 pm || Up

          Me too. Although it’s bullshit that the switch hitter gets the advantage.

          • andeux Nov 19,2014 2:25 pm || Up

            It definitely would make more sense the other way: hitter steps into the box on whichever side first, then the pitcher can throw with the appropriate hand.

            TINSTAAFK
          • elcroata Nov 19,2014 9:37 pm || Up

            That pisses me off, too

            Because survival is insufficient
  20. 5Aces Nov 19,2014 8:13 pm

    My new go to clip next year for when the clean up hitter does something right

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • ptbnl Nov 20,2014 10:51 am || Up

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • 5Aces Nov 20,2014 10:56 am || Up

        Ball Four-a book deep…

        Can we just shorten this up to “Balls deep”?

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • Glorious Mundy Nov 20,2014 11:01 am || Up
      • dmoas Nov 20,2014 11:06 am || Up

        It’s missing the guy who cackles afterward, the guy who shoots himself afterward, and the guy who just fucking doesn’t believe it to begin with who only shakes his head through out the whole thing.

        • Glorious Mundy Nov 20,2014 11:08 am || Up

          I relate most to Jason Kidd. Head in hands, followed by the need to hug the closest person.

      • AV Nov 20,2014 11:08 am || Up

        but why mess with the obvious?

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  21. Glorious Mundy Nov 20,2014 10:45 am

    I’m uncomfortable with how big the Serial podcast got so quickly, and my role in hyping it up to everyone who would listen. I have to avoid spoilers now? For a podcast?? I prefer to listen to it at night on my walk home, dammit!!!

    • Future Ed Nov 20,2014 10:49 am || Up

      did you see the weird takedown on gawker?

      I mean, I there are valid points, but the padcast is still in the middle, right?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • Glorious Mundy Nov 20,2014 10:51 am || Up

        I refuse to read anything about it. And especially screw kneejerk backlashes about things I enjoy.

    • batgirl Nov 20,2014 12:20 pm || Up

      I cried out in disappointment this morning when they said they wont have an episode next week because of Thanksgiving.

      • Englishmajor Nov 20,2014 6:49 pm || Up

        Here’s a substitute: the first episode of the new podcast “Gravy” from the Southern Foodways Alliance.

        • batgirl Nov 21,2014 10:39 am || Up

          Hmmm that sounds very interesting. Probably pretty meaty though.

    • Jennifer Nov 21,2014 7:31 pm || Up

      Do I have to listen to this on an Apple device?

      • Glorious Mundy Nov 21,2014 7:41 pm || Up

        You can listen to it right here, if you’re in the mood.

        • Jennifer Nov 21,2014 8:03 pm || Up

          Sweet, thanks. And it’s downloadable from there!

  22. MikeV Nov 20,2014 10:58 am

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • 5Aces Nov 20,2014 11:07 am || Up

      Now you spoiled my post so I will just put it here.

      So what is your favorite memory of the Alex Hassan era in Oakland?

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • 5Aces Nov 20,2014 11:09 am || Up

        Also, Langerhans is somewhere telling everyone about his long term stay with us.

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • MikeV Nov 20,2014 2:29 pm || Up

          HOME JERSEY!

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

          • Future Ed Nov 20,2014 5:51 pm || Up

            I kinda want to write an Encyclopedia brown where Bugs meany sells Donny a game used Ryan Langerhans jersey.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • dmoas Nov 20,2014 6:21 pm || Up

              Oooooooooh, that’d be awesome.

              • Future Ed Nov 20,2014 6:54 pm || Up

                “he wore it at a game I was at in the coliseum. he took it right off his back when he was going down the tunnel.”

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • Glorious Mundy Nov 20,2014 7:02 pm || Up

              No case career too small

            • MikeV Nov 21,2014 8:03 am || Up

              I wonder if $100 in gift cards is enough to get a customized Langerhans home jersey.

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

              • 5Aces Nov 21,2014 8:06 am || Up

                I feel like it isnt. I want to say the customized are like $150. But, I bet at some point they will do a buy one get on at x off event. So then you just have to find someone already buying one and piggyback.

                Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
              • 5Aces Nov 21,2014 8:15 am || Up

                I lied. If you are ok with “replica” you are golden. (Or I guess white…whatever)

                Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
                • ptbnl Nov 21,2014 8:31 am || Up

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • andeux Nov 21,2014 2:27 pm || Up

                  Same number as Big John Baal, who also only played on the road.

                  TINSTAAFK
      • AV Nov 20,2014 11:10 am || Up

        trying to fit the N into: alas A’s hex.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • dmoas Nov 20,2014 11:09 am || Up

      We hardly knew you “Has Anal Sex” anagram guy.

    • Glorious Mundy Nov 20,2014 11:41 am || Up

      The roster was only at 40 with Butler and Hassan. I guess we needed to clear room for a Rule 5 eligible guy?

    • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 20,2014 12:03 pm || Up

      I look forward to Napo’s forthcoming post about what Hassan’s juju meant to the A’s and why we should reacquire him

      • 5Aces Nov 20,2014 12:23 pm || Up

        Undefeated while he was with us! Havent won a single game since he left!!

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • dmoas Nov 20,2014 1:57 pm || Up

          Tied for best player in all of baseball while he was here. Just imagine if he got just a few more anything per week!!! He’d be the best!!!

          • 5Aces Nov 20,2014 2:17 pm || Up

            The hitting was one thing, but I was shocked that he also was tied for lowest ERA in the league!

            Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
            • ptbnl Nov 20,2014 3:55 pm || Up

              Helped by throwing as many pitches lefty as righty.

              If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  23. Bed Nov 20,2014 9:40 pm

    You folks follow this stuff closer than I do but put me down for thinking the Billy Butler deal is a bad idea. That’s a lot of money for a limited player.

    But seriously, folks...
  24. andeux Nov 21,2014 3:35 pm
    TINSTAAFK
    • Glorious Mundy Nov 21,2014 3:38 pm || Up

      Wow.

    • lenscrafters Nov 21,2014 3:52 pm || Up

      Well if we ever wanted to know who’s more irritating between Keith Law and Curt Schilling, now we have our answer.

      • Glorious Mundy Nov 21,2014 4:42 pm || Up

        I like Law better when he’s Old Hoss Radbourn anyway.

        • 5Aces Nov 21,2014 8:19 pm || Up

          Thank you. I knew it had been said before, but I could never remember who old Hoss actually was.

          Now do you know Shooter McGavin actually is?

          Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
          • Future Ed Nov 21,2014 8:21 pm || Up

            I never knew. and I didn’t understand gm’s comment.

            wow, neat.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • Glorious Mundy Nov 21,2014 8:30 pm || Up

              Wait, is it true? I thought it was a running joke that whoever is running Hoss is having fun with tonight.

              I kind of hope Law isn’t Hoss, because that would make me like Law too much. Hoss and PFTCommenter are the two reasons twitter was invented.

              • 5Aces Nov 21,2014 8:33 pm || Up

                Oh it isnt? I know that Hoss is a writer, or commentator or something so Law would fit. But again I have never found anything that actually says “yes it is ____ “.

                And who is PFTCommenter? Gonna have to go look now.

                Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
                • Glorious Mundy Nov 21,2014 8:39 pm || Up

                  Google autocompletes “Is Keith Law” to “Is Keith Law Old Hoss Radbourn.” That’s funny. I think he denies it, but it would make perfect sense. I always thought Calcaterra was a prime suspect too.

                  Here’s a primer on PFT.

                • Kay Temple Kirk Nov 23,2014 5:34 pm || Up

                  I kinda thought it was Michael Schur.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
              • Future Ed Nov 21,2014 8:36 pm || Up

                pftcommenter…i’m intrigued

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • 5Aces Nov 21,2014 8:31 pm || Up

              I knew it was someone in the community but when I tried once or twice to find comfirmation online I couldnt.

              Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • Bed Nov 21,2014 5:56 pm || Up

      Hmm…this kind of makes me like Keith Law. Well, I didn’t see that one coming.

      But seriously, folks...
      • Bed Nov 21,2014 5:57 pm || Up

        I guess Curt Schilling only believes in science when it’s performance enhancing.

        But seriously, folks...
    • Future Ed Nov 21,2014 8:08 pm || Up

      I like the non denial by espn.

      The suspension had nothing to do with his opinion on the subject. just airing his opinion to the talent.

      Kinda like I don’t have anything against gay people, I am just against dudes kissing.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • Glorious Mundy Nov 21,2014 8:13 pm || Up

        The weird thing is that Law didn’t (that I saw) go after Schilling on a personal, ad hominem level. He just refuted his ridiculous statements, with a reasonable amount of respect.

        • Future Ed Nov 21,2014 8:23 pm || Up

          off topic, for some reason I always read keith law writing in Tim Kirkjian’s voice.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
  25. nevermoor Nov 21,2014 4:34 pm
    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • Glorious Mundy Nov 21,2014 4:38 pm || Up

      Late afternoon on the Friday before Thanksgiving. Nice.

    • Englishmajor Nov 21,2014 4:50 pm || Up

      You’d think by now people would realize that, especially in the age of Twitter, Friday afternoon news dumps may simply call attention to themselves.

    • dmoas Nov 21,2014 5:00 pm || Up

      I think there’s only one thing left do to: Another one.

    • mikeA Nov 25,2014 9:51 am || Up

      Somehow I don’t think Curt Schilling will be satisfied with these findings.

      • Glorious Mundy Nov 25,2014 9:54 am || Up

        *suspends mikeA from Free Kraut for a week*

  26. natehst Nov 21,2014 5:42 pm

    What is going on with this offseason market when Adam LaRoche gets 2 years, $25MM from the White Sox (last I checked they had a decent first baseman), but Ike Davis gets DFA by the Pirates (last I checked they had nobody besides Gaby Sanchez).

    Davis is basically Jaso except three years younger and under team control for an extra season. If the A’s can find a taker for Jaso, Davis would be a no-brainer replacement for me.

    • Future Ed Nov 21,2014 8:10 pm || Up

      I suppose its that they are moving alvarez over and sticking with Harrison? what’s the 3rd base person’s name?

      just keep Jaso on the 60 day dl till September.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • grover Nov 22,2014 6:05 am || Up

      Everyone knew Davis was going to get DFA’d because of his cost to Pittsburgh so why trade a prospect when cash will do in a few days?

      • natehst Nov 22,2014 7:35 am || Up

        MLBTR projects Ike Davis to get $4.4MM, which seems very reasonable for a John Jaso type, when Jaso is projected to get $3.3MM.

        Is Pittsburgh really that cheap? And are they sliding Pedro Alvarez over to 1B? Because he’ll be more expensive and wasn’t demonstrably better than Davis last year.

        • grover Nov 22,2014 1:40 pm || Up

          They’re holding on to Alvarez as a fallback to Harrison turning into a pumpkin and leaving a bloody, gaping hole at 3B. The Pirates have a smaller budget than Oakland and no DH so no place for Davis.

        • DFA Nov 23,2014 9:26 am || Up

          For the record… steamer projects Daric Barton to be better than Davis next year (giving both 600 PA)

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • MikeV Nov 23,2014 9:33 am || Up

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

          • natehst Nov 23,2014 12:08 pm || Up

            Hm? I’m seeing Steamer has Ike for .242/.340/.417 (116 wRC+), with Barton at .240/.345/.368 (105 wRC+). I’m not saying he would set the world on fire, just that he could probably replicate Jaso’s line and role for a similar price, if they were so inclined to trade Jaso for something.

            • DFA Nov 23,2014 4:56 pm || Up

              Steamer 600

              Daric Barton

              Off Def WAR

              2.8 -1.2 2.2

              Ike Davis

              Off Def WAR

              10.1 -8.2 2.2

              Obviously Davis has value in being a better platoon bat. But we are probably going to need him to play against lefties at somepoint.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • dmoas Nov 23,2014 5:27 pm || Up

                And as a DH?

                • DFA Nov 23,2014 5:44 pm || Up

                  that would be for both as 1bmen, which is their natural position.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • dmoas Nov 23,2014 6:59 pm || Up

                  Right, but that -8.2 suggests that it’s an unnatural position and one that we have better pieces to play. If he’s in the line up, I’d stick him at DH to negate that awful negative.

                • andeux Nov 23,2014 7:41 pm || Up

                  dWAR is a misleading stat because it includes the positional adjustment. Davis is a bit above average at 1B for his career.

                  TINSTAAFK
          • Future Ed Nov 24,2014 12:24 pm || Up

            BAR

            boos above replacement

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • colin Nov 22,2014 7:06 am || Up

      Wow. That dude has some serious L/R splits. wRC+ is 61, 126 vs L, R for his career (475, 1663 PA… so that is a decent number of PA even against LHP).

      • colin Nov 22,2014 7:08 am || Up

        Ok, I looked up Jaso’s numbers and you are right… they are pretty much the same (or even more extreme): career wRA+ is 53, 127 but only 207 career PA vs LHP.

    • lenscrafters Nov 23,2014 1:41 pm || Up

      Good call, Nate.

      • natehst Nov 23,2014 1:54 pm || Up

        I guess now the trick is to find something useful for Jaso or Fuld.

        • nevermoor Nov 24,2014 5:38 pm || Up

          Let’s release Fuld then trade Punto for him to whoever claims him.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • dmoas Nov 24,2014 7:11 pm || Up

            That’s so genius, I think that it would work!

  27. AV Nov 23,2014 5:21 pm

    it’s viral. racing’s fans are chanting puto at river’s goalie, aztec stadium style.

    *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • Future Ed Nov 24,2014 12:27 pm || Up

      boo. Was traveling yesterday. I think I passed the stub hub center around 8

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  28. MikeV Nov 23,2014 7:39 pm

    Toronto wants Jaso. Slusser mentioned lefty Sean Nolin.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • colin Nov 23,2014 7:50 pm || Up

      He has a grand total of two MLB innings, so I don’t intend this as actual criticism, but ERA/FIP/xFIP line of 27.00/15.51/7.24 is awesome.

    • natehst Nov 23,2014 7:53 pm || Up

      I’m scratching my head.

      It would be a coup if the A’s could move from Jaso to Davis, which is a lateral move in my eyes, and get a major league-ready SP in Nolin for about $270,000 in international slot money. And all this would happen after the Jays sent an even better LHH in Adam Lind to Milwaukee for a mediocre RP with a single year of team control. It’s feasible if the Jays think Jaso can catch.

      Either way, that would be pretty awesome for Oakland.

      • MikeV Nov 23,2014 7:57 pm || Up

        I know nothing about Nolin, but a lefty with a pulse is a pretty good bet pitching half his games in Oakland and as much as I like Jaso I think there are serious potential issues going forward with the concussions.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • doctorK Nov 23,2014 8:09 pm || Up

          For Jingleheimer’s sake, I hope he never catches again.

  29. MikeV Nov 23,2014 8:16 pm

    Moss and Reddick too?

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

  30. MikeV Nov 23,2014 8:27 pm

    Gotta hate him now.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • vignette17 Nov 23,2014 9:48 pm || Up

      :(. Although I would love me some Xander. Xander for Shark? That’s totally fair, right? What if we asked really nicely?

      • ptbnl Nov 23,2014 11:56 pm || Up

        Can’t we re-sign Yoenis and then trade him for Xander?

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 24,2014 11:37 am || Up

      He was already pretty easy to dislike

  31. MikeV Nov 24,2014 9:09 am

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • dmoas Nov 24,2014 9:25 am || Up

      That would set Donaldson’s value lower since he’s older, no?

      • MikeV Nov 24,2014 9:34 am || Up

        Would assume so, but I think the right move for JD is to go year to year with him or just sign him to a deal that buys out arby.

        If it was my decision I wouldn’t sign him long term.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • dmoas Nov 24,2014 10:02 am || Up

          Oh, I wouldn’t sign him long term either. I’d be more inclined to do the year to year deal if I were the team as well. I’m just thinking in terms of what to expect even in year-to-year contracts for him. Nothing too much more than $15Mil at the highest a few years from now and that’s assuming he continues to perform as he has. If this is his baseline, it’s possible he doesn’t get much more than $10 given where he’d be age-wise post Arb.

  32. MikeV Nov 24,2014 10:10 am

    I would have given him this and let him stay at SS.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • dmoas Nov 24,2014 10:12 am || Up

      Doesn’t Sandoval play third? If they really get both of them, wouldn’t he stay at SS? Also, if that’s all he’s getting, I’d probably do that too.

      • colin Nov 24,2014 10:15 am || Up

        There has been some talk that the Red Sox would move Hanley to LF and trade Cespedes. Or they could keep Hanley at SS and trade Bogaerts for a fortune.

        • 5Aces Nov 24,2014 10:33 am || Up

          Or move Hanley to LF and Cespy to SS!

          Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • Glorious Mundy Nov 24,2014 11:22 am || Up

          Outbidding everyone for the top shortstop on the market only to play him at the lowest place imaginable on the defensive spectrum (given their park) is the ultimate big-market FK you to the world, isn’t it.

          • colin Nov 24,2014 11:28 am || Up

            Red Sox rotation is still totally laughable though. So they clearly need to make additional moves. Trading Bogaerts would get them much better pitching than trading Cespedes.

      • MikeV Nov 24,2014 10:17 am || Up

        He was supposedly open to switching to LF or 2B, so I’m kind of assuming he’ll play LF.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 24,2014 11:38 am || Up

          So Cespedes in right then? And Betts in center?

          • colin Nov 24,2014 12:01 pm || Up

            I figure that the details of the Red Sox lineup will ultimately depend on what trades they make for pitching. Right now they have a lot of good bats. Maybe they have particular guys in mind that they want to trade but it seems like the smarter thing would be to make a wide range of offers and see how that shakes out.

          • MikeV Nov 24,2014 12:25 pm || Up

            Cespedes trade.

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

      • Glorious Mundy Nov 24,2014 11:24 am || Up

        I’m intrigued to see just how fat Sandoval can get with a $100 million deal in his back pocket.

    • grover Nov 24,2014 10:50 am || Up

      I’m surprised by the vesting option, that’s good insurance for the Red Sox.

      Hanley for this contract vs. 3/30 for Butler… straight up I’d prefer the A’s to have signed Hanley but Im withholding judgement until I see what other moves Beane has planned.

      • vignette17 Nov 24,2014 11:26 am || Up

        Put me in the Hanley camp as well.

      • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 24,2014 11:42 am || Up

        Yeah agreed. Even though Hanley isn’t a particularly good fielder, I’d still be happy to run him out there at SS

  33. colin Nov 24,2014 12:34 pm

    Mariners just gave Seager a 7 year, $100M extension that covers three arby years plus four FA years. So that’s a lot of money.

  34. MikeV Nov 26,2014 3:30 pm

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • colin Nov 26,2014 3:33 pm || Up

      I saw somewhere that the deal includes an opt-out after four seasons for Tomas.

    • andeux Nov 26,2014 3:48 pm || Up

      Longer time commitment, but … What are the odds that he is not as good as Billy Butler?

      TINSTAAFK
      • MikeV Nov 26,2014 4:17 pm || Up

        there’s supposedly an opt-out as well.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

  35. MikeV Nov 26,2014 4:46 pm

    Well what about Punto AND some of that weird draft slot money then???

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

  36. Englishmajor Nov 26,2014 6:03 pm

    Still a rumor but

    • East Bay Evans Nov 26,2014 6:28 pm || Up

      Looks like the rumor has been retracted.

  37. MikeV Nov 26,2014 6:04 pm

    Cespedes -> Reds being broken on twitter.

    No idea about who is going to Boston.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

  38. MikeV Nov 28,2014 6:12 pm

    Something’s up.

    but then…

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

  39. MikeV Nov 28,2014 6:18 pm

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • 5Aces Nov 28,2014 6:23 pm || Up

      Giambi was playing that damn boom box too loud after the last game…

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  40. MikeV Nov 28,2014 6:30 pm

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

  41. MikeV Nov 28,2014 6:47 pm

    Oh.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • 5Aces Nov 28,2014 6:52 pm || Up

      Tell me how that makes any sense. And ideally the answer does not involve “ownership was pissed that he was talking about $$$”.

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2014 6:56 pm || Up

        What’d he say?

        • MikeV Nov 28,2014 7:05 pm || Up

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

      • MikeV Nov 28,2014 6:56 pm || Up

        Uh, here’s why. I love this.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • Jennifer Nov 28,2014 6:58 pm || Up

          Bringer of tears.*

          *Not really. I don’t cry over this shit.

        • Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2014 7:00 pm || Up

          Tell me more. Nolin and Barreto are special?

          • 5Aces Nov 28,2014 7:05 pm || Up

            From what little I can tell Barreto may be. Just looked him up-A ball last year, not even 19 and seemed to do well.

            Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
            • DFA Nov 28,2014 7:34 pm || Up

              Barretto was a International signing class leader a couple of years ago.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • MikeV Nov 28,2014 7:36 pm || Up

            Graveman pitched through 5 levels to get to the bigs last year.

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

        • 5Aces Nov 28,2014 7:02 pm || Up

          I see that Lawrie has played some 2B. Can he play there everyday?

          Admittedly seeing multiple pieces makes me feel a little better, none of them scream MVP at me. As always I defer to the folks here who know this stuff, I will just be happy I didnt buy a 20 jersey.

          Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • lenscrafters Nov 28,2014 7:05 pm || Up

          I don’t see how anyone could love or even like this deal.

          Lawrie is both average and injury prone and (lol) has one less year of control than Donaldson.
          Nolin and Graveman look like #4 starters or average pitchers. We’ve had such a hard time finding these. Oh wait, no we haven’t.
          Barreto is too far away to get excited about.

          So for that, we traded 4 years of the best player we’ve had since Giambi.

    • lenscrafters Nov 28,2014 6:54 pm || Up

      Fucking F trade.

      • DFA Nov 28,2014 7:34 pm || Up

        worst trade of the Beane Era?

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • dmoas Nov 28,2014 7:37 pm || Up

          Still the Hudson deal.

          • andeux Nov 28,2014 7:42 pm || Up

            Holliday deal was worse.

            TINSTAAFK
            • MikeV Nov 28,2014 7:45 pm || Up

              acquiring or sending away

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

            • dmoas Nov 28,2014 7:45 pm || Up

              Hmm… the Holliday deal, while not good at the time, at least had potential to be just “not good.” The Hudson deal from day one was basically garbage. In a retrospective way, the outcome of the Holliday deal was much worse though.

          • DFA Nov 28,2014 7:49 pm || Up

            Meyers was at least a top 25 spec.

            Beane just traded a better player with 3 seasons more of control and didn’t get 1 top 100 spec back.

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • MikeV Nov 28,2014 7:52 pm || Up

              Lawrie was a top 100 spec 3 years in a row.

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

              • Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2014 7:58 pm || Up

                He still has upside, but he’s three mediocre/injured years in the big leagues removed from prospect status.

                • MikeV Nov 28,2014 8:01 pm || Up

                  I don’t care, if DFA is going to pick nits than so am I.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • DFA Nov 28,2014 8:53 pm || Up

                  And he will be a free agent by the next time we are in a contention window.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • MikeV Nov 28,2014 8:56 pm || Up

                  so would Donaldson.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • DFA Nov 28,2014 9:23 pm || Up

                  No he really wouldn’t.

                  You get two years of donaldson in the contention window with Robertson and Olsen and Overton and Boog

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • dmoas Nov 28,2014 10:25 pm || Up

                  He’d be too expensive and on the wrong side of 30.

                • DFA Nov 29,2014 9:13 am || Up

                  You just gave Billy Butler 30 mil, they could just save that for those years, and guess what? Players that are 33 are still good sometimes.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2014 8:17 pm || Up

              Barreto won’t be top 100?

              • MikeV Nov 28,2014 8:18 pm || Up

                You’ll have to ask brian.only about that.

                And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                Thanks, and go As.

                • AV Nov 28,2014 8:30 pm || Up

                  finally.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
              • DFA Nov 28,2014 8:53 pm || Up

                he didn’t make MLB’s top 100

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • DFA Nov 29,2014 9:14 am || Up

                  i mean the club lists are updated and hes not better than robertson or olsen and olsen is probably like 80 on the list or so.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • dmoas Nov 29,2014 10:23 am || Up

                  Well, not now sure. But there’s still a chance at some point in a year or two.

                • DFA Nov 29,2014 11:58 am || Up

                  thats the point. If you are trading an MVP caliber player, you shouldn’t have ifs and buts.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • nevermoor Nov 29,2014 2:48 pm || Up

                  This is the point that resonates with me.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • grover Nov 29,2014 4:06 pm || Up

                  Agreed.

                  Prospects come with an inherent warning and everyone understands this. But Lawrie is on a whole other level of risk. The centerpiece of a deal for an MVP caliber player should have as little doubt as possible.

                • dmoas Nov 29,2014 4:43 pm || Up

                  Well sure. But you didn’t read my “Yet.” with the appropriate level of sarcasm and needling.

    • Jennifer Nov 28,2014 6:56 pm || Up

      We can’t have nice things.

  42. Future Ed Nov 29,2014 9:51 am

    there seems to be talk of what Donaldson said about ownership on twitter. I don’t see that and didn’t see that. does anyone know?

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • MikeV Nov 29,2014 9:53 am || Up

      Much ado about nothing. Anybody that thinks this is why the trade happened is stupid.

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      • Future Ed Nov 29,2014 10:04 am || Up

        That is the thing people are talking about?

        That’s dumb. its not like that was some kind of secret.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • Future Ed Nov 29,2014 10:05 am || Up

        Plus, why should he give money so the A’s can save some?

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Glorious Mundy Nov 29,2014 10:52 am || Up

          Moron sports fans always think star players should magnanimously take less to allow ownership to sign other players. It makes even less sense in baseball than it does in the NBA, where there’s a salary cap.

          • dmoas Nov 29,2014 11:06 am || Up

            I see nothing moronic about it at all. There is a certain sense to it. Teams aren’t going to spend over a certain amount whether they could or not. That’s a reality of any business. So accepting less while making a shit ton of money in order to have more available isn’t that foolish from a desire to win perspective. And players in sports actually do this. Now, if these fans EXPECT them to do so, that would be moronic.

            • Glorious Mundy Nov 29,2014 11:12 am || Up

              If a player wants to accept less than he is worth, then that’s fine with me. But fans who think that’s a reasonable thing to ask of them, especially of a guy like Donaldson who has been earning relative peanuts while being one of the best players in baseball are fools. These guys have a few years in their lives to earn big money. They should get all they can, and saying “you should take less so that the team can win” is inanely pitting the players against each other rather than against the owner, who have the ability to spend more if they wish.

              • nevermoor Nov 29,2014 2:50 pm || Up

                It’s partly sport-by-sport. Football players restructure contracts semi-routinely for cap purposes. Basketball players (especially old ones) take league-minimum deals for championship contenders.

                It isn’t part of baseball.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • andeux Nov 29,2014 2:59 pm || Up

                  Football contracts are mostly not guaranteed, and when they restructure it’s usually when the alternative is getting released.

                  TINSTAAFK
                • nevermoor Nov 29,2014 3:34 pm || Up

                  Not always (though guarantees are a big part of it). Kaepernick, for example, is expected to restructure this offseason. He is not concerned about being released.

                  Just saying norms vary by sport, so unsurprising that someone who doesn’t know baseball well applies other sports’ norms. It doesn’t mean baseball players are unusually greedy

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • Glorious Mundy Nov 29,2014 3:38 pm || Up

                  It does mean they have a better union.

                • MikeV Nov 29,2014 3:41 pm || Up

                  Restructures work for both the team and the player because a portion of the contract can be turned into a signing bonus so that becomes guaranteed, but it also doesn’t get counted against the salary cap.

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              • dmoas Nov 29,2014 4:50 pm || Up

                Again, it’s absolutely reasonable to ask. It’s just not reasonable to expect. At the moment the fking minimum wage of MLB is a half million a year. I’m not going to shed a tear for him if he doesn’t make the millions he expects to make. He sure as shit isn’t curing cancer, he’s a baseball player. Yes, owners/teams make a shit ton of money and it’s a billionaire versus millionaire situation, but that a separate issue altogether. If a player chooses to maximize his earning potential within a rather corrupt/imbalanced economic system/priority, more power to him. It’s foolish to expect him to do otherwise. But it’s hardly foolish to ask to do or hope he’s willing to do so. It just better not be the owner who’s making that request.

      • colin Nov 29,2014 12:38 pm || Up

        I agree that Donaldson’s tweet doesn’t have anything to do with this trade. To me it actually comes across as someone who has a *good* relationship with the ownership and isn’t afraid to give them a little ribbing about how he’s going to start getting paid the big bucks in a few years.

  43. MikeV Dec 1,2014 9:26 am

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  44. MikeV Dec 1,2014 7:51 pm

    Marlins offered Fernandez a 6/40 extension.

    I assume Fernandez said LOL, NO.

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  45. MikeV Dec 1,2014 9:27 pm

    Braves tried to attach BJ Upton to Evan Gattis as part of a trade with Houston.

    Juston Upton makes 14.5 this year. BJ Upton makes 14.5, 15.5, 16.5 the next three.

    Assuming we take on BJ’s contract too, what do we have to give Atlanta to get Justin?

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    • grover Dec 1,2014 9:53 pm || Up

      That’s tough. Oakland would be taking on $29 million for 2015…

      How much cash would Atlanta kick in?

      • MikeV Dec 1,2014 10:00 pm || Up

        For kicks say we give them Kazmir to get a big number off the books for us. We’re then taking on $18M for ’15.

        At that point I’m considering Kaz for Justin a straight up deal, so what are they doing to make taking his brother(‘s salary) worth it

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        • grover Dec 1,2014 10:12 pm || Up

          Similar idea, different names.

          I’d offer Chavez + O’Flaherty. $8 million off the books for Oakland, 2 years of Chavez in Atlanta’s rotation.

          • MikeV Dec 1,2014 10:19 pm || Up

            Are we working under the assumption that Upton walks after this year, or getting a window to work an extension? I think that changes things too, but just on the surface I think Oakland makes that deal and maybe Atlanta balks. Dunno how badly they want to ditch BJ’s contract though.

            Something else I was thinking — IF Shark or Kaz are to be dealt, I’d think it’s happening during the offseason, because they’ll get a higher return when the team can still make a QO at the end of the year. A midseason deal hurts their value a lot.

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            • dmoas Dec 1,2014 10:28 pm || Up

              I’m still hoping it’s Kaz and not Shark. But my first thought was Atlanta balks as well. The only thing that would make them consider it is, as you said, they really needed to get that contract off their books.

            • grover Dec 1,2014 10:33 pm || Up

              I think Justin Upton is a 1 and done, hits FA and his 2015 team gets a QO. Shark gets dealt after Lester signs. Kazmir might get more interest in July. He fumbled down the stretch last year and I think teams are worried he might fall off the cliff again. But if he pitches well during the 1st half of 2015 they’ll convince themselves it was fatigue from not having pitched so many innings in years.

  46. MikeV Dec 3,2014 2:30 pm

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    Thanks, and go As.

    • grover Dec 3,2014 2:46 pm || Up

      Jose Ramirez!

      • MikeV Dec 3,2014 2:49 pm || Up

        one trevor bauer, please.

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        • grover Dec 3,2014 2:57 pm || Up

          Nothing wrong with Bauer, but I’d rather have a SS for the next 6 years.

          • MikeV Dec 3,2014 3:03 pm || Up

            oh yeah for sure, just in general though.

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      • vignette17 Dec 3,2014 3:14 pm || Up

        My thought as well. He would be perfect.

      • MikeV Dec 3,2014 3:17 pm || Up

        Slick defense and a .300 wOBA fair to expect from him?

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        • grover Dec 3,2014 3:52 pm || Up

          A “Hell Yes!” on the defense and a probable with the bat. He’s also got speed enough for 20+ SB but he might need to refine his technique a bit.

          • 5Aces Dec 3,2014 3:55 pm || Up

            If only we had some sort of SB coach around. Someone who was great at reading pitchers and had stole a base or 2 in his day…

            Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
            • dmoas Dec 3,2014 3:58 pm || Up

              I’d hope this person would also know a thing or two about runs.

              • 5Aces Dec 3,2014 8:13 pm || Up

                Might even be the answer to a trivia question if we were lucky.

                Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
                • sslinger Dec 3,2014 9:03 pm || Up

                  Umm, pretty much every trivia question.

          • MikeV Dec 3,2014 3:56 pm || Up

            For a 31 year old with a bum wheel whose power fell of a cliff?

            OK!

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  47. MikeV Dec 3,2014 3:19 pm

    Markakis -> Atlanta

    Seems like they have too many outfielders now.

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    • DFA Dec 3,2014 10:00 pm || Up

      Thats a shitty move for them. Why not sign a pitcher rather than buy a shitty declining bat.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • MikeV Dec 3,2014 10:14 pm || Up

        I guess the logic is replacing Heyward and getting a few arms?

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        • DFA Dec 4,2014 8:44 am || Up

          Yeah, but Markakis isn’t good. I don’t think I trade Jason Heyward jordan walden and net 36 million in salary for shelby miller tyrell jenkins and nick markakis.

          You are probably losing 2 WAR with the downgrade from Heyward to Markakis this year and gain 1.5, 1 and .5 over the next three in value and lose 1 WAR from walden over two years, which means your trade is a wash despite losing WAR concentration and a discount over time. Jenkins has been hurt and not very good, though he has a live arm and so maybe he can turn it around, lets suppose hes worth 3 million (half of a last of a top 100 pitching spec) Lets say Miller will cost 4 6 10 in arbitration. Would you sign Shelby Miller for 4 years 53 million (0 From Production Heyward and Walden – Markakis, Jenkins value in dollars, 36 million in net salary – plus 20 mil in salary for Miller) In order to break even thats 7.5 WAR from a pitcher that steamer projects as being 1 WAR next year.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • MikeV Dec 4,2014 9:12 am || Up

            I didnt say it was a good deal, just what I Thought the logic behind it was.

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  48. MikeV Dec 5,2014 10:54 am

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • dmoas Dec 5,2014 11:01 am || Up

      So in other words, there is no trade at the moment. Very informative Joe! Totally insider!

      • MikeV Dec 5,2014 11:13 am || Up

        At least it says player(s) and not just one middling spec.

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        • dmoas Dec 5,2014 11:17 am || Up

          Well, if it were one for one, it’d still be players with Moss being one of the players.

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 5,2014 11:51 am || Up

        There’s information there if you’re inclined to receive it.

        • dmoas Dec 5,2014 12:01 pm || Up

          I am. But I’d prefer to make an “Insider” joke based on how uninformative that particular tweet was. Only thing there is that they’re still talking and haven’t agreed on anything which we’ve already know for a while.

          • Glorious Mundy Dec 5,2014 12:13 pm || Up

            This “insider” crap is pretty dumb. Basically it means “guy we pay to pay attention to the A’s.”

        • andeux Dec 5,2014 12:17 pm || Up

          The precise amount or nature of that information just hasn’t been agreed upon yet.

          TINSTAAFK

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