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For all the people deploring the blue ribbon committee’s inaction there was this over the weekend:

In particular, MLB states in the filing (available here) that Commissioner Bud Selig sent the Athletics a letter on June 17, 2013 (one day before San Jose filed its lawsuit), notifying the team “that he was not satisfied with the club’s relocation proposal.” Consequently, MLB contends in the filing that the city’s sole remaining claim for relief is rendered moot, because the league provided a decision within the two-year window allegedly anticipated by the city when it entered into the land option agreement with the Athletics, and thus did not wrongfully interfere with the agreement by unduly delaying its resolution of the matter.

Perhaps why Jemile never made a lasting impact

Asked why he hasn’t been able to duplicate his rookie success, Weeks replied, “There are a number of things that I could say – this didn’t go right or I tried to do this and tried to switch things up. But it all boils down to everything happens for a reason. I learned a lot from it and I think I’ll be much better for it going forward. I hope Baltimore enjoys it.”

AKA I have no fking idea why.

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557 thoughts on “No San Jose and other hot links on this winter grill

  1. Future Ed Dec 9,2013 9:52 am

    2. perhaps it was because by the end of your 2011 campaign teams were playing little leage distance in the outfield and you never made them pay for that by hitting the ball over their heads? And then they did it again in 2012, and you never hit the ball over their heads again?

    Remember your walkoff sac fly? the one where you jokingly pointed at your bicep? I get it, I would make the same joke about myself. It was a good show of understanding the problem.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  2. Future Ed Dec 9,2013 9:53 am

    4. Why would a law get me to “trust the internets?”

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  3. AV Dec 9,2013 9:55 am

    AKA I have no fking idea why.

    come ON, DFA! it’s right there…

    But it all boils down to everything happens for a reason.

    …because he doesn’t understand the basic principles of cause and effect.

    *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • DFA Dec 9,2013 10:23 am || Up

      I wonder what he thinks the reason is though

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • Glorious Mundy Dec 9,2013 10:32 am || Up

        A couple of gods on Mt. Olympus using his fate as a pawn in their scheming, most likely. Or Jesus.

      • AV Dec 9,2013 10:53 am || Up

        it’s what things happen for!

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  4. Future Ed Dec 9,2013 10:08 am

    Its gets better, for the A’s

    One good example is the issue of the Mariners doing extra work last September. That suggestion was mine. Everyone in the baseball department thought this would be a good teaching time to help us improve our fundamentals with a young team, and help set the tone for spring training.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  5. batgirl Dec 9,2013 10:18 am
    • colin Dec 9,2013 10:23 am || Up

      This caught my eye from that article:

      leads the league with 61 extra points

      Do football people really evaluate kickers based on this metric? That’s worse (by a lot) than looking at RBIs for hitters!

      • elcroata Dec 9,2013 10:44 am || Up

        Leads the league in plate appearances

        Because survival is insufficient
      • Glorious Mundy Dec 9,2013 10:46 am || Up

        He’s a point producer, and points are how you win games, colin. I guess they don’t teach you that in nerd school.

  6. Glorious Mundy Dec 9,2013 10:35 am

    So basically MLB got wind that SJ was about to sue and rushed off a letter sorta but not really totally denying the relocation in order to try to moot the lawsuit without actually making a final decision, and Wolff more or less shit-canned the letter and carried on? Do I have this right?

    • andeux Dec 9,2013 10:38 am || Up

      Sounds about right.

      TINSTAAFK
    • dmoas Dec 9,2013 10:39 am || Up

      Everything but the last part. The letter was “confidential” and couldn’t be shared.

    • DFA Dec 9,2013 11:05 am || Up

      I think what is likely is that baseball said like FSU has “this San Jose plan sucks and isn’t going to work… come up with a better plan” and didn’t put any restrictions on where the next plan had to be.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • lenscrafters Dec 9,2013 11:39 am || Up

        MLB prefers a public financing plan over any private one…the whole process has taken so long because Bud probably believes that some dumb city will bite the same way Miami did. And he may not be wrong.

        • dmoas Dec 9,2013 11:47 am || Up

          Between that and whatever compensation plan Wolff had for the Giants are likely the sticking points.

      • dmoas Dec 9,2013 11:39 am || Up

        More or less, this.

        I won’t get excited/disappointed unless one or more of the following actually happens, listed in no particular order:

        1) MLB announces a move to SJ, result: A’s move to SJ
        2) SJ (or their Pro Bono counsel) drops their suit, result: More limbo, but SJ likely off the table
        3) Oakland ponies up $300+ million for a new stadium, result: A’s STAY.
        4) The courts move forward on the lawsuit forcing Selig et al to testify, result: A’s move to SJ
        5) SCOTUS makes any sort of decision, result: If SJ wins, A’s to SJ, If MLB wins, more limbo
        6) Wolff sells the team, result: Likely move out of the bay area
        7) MLB announces a move to elsewhere, result: A’s move elsewhere
        8) MLB announces some sort of support of an Oakland plan, result: A’s STAY.

        I wouldn’t bother handicapping any of that. As it stands in the information vacuum we all get to sit in, they’re all equally likely. The only real truth is anything beyond one of those things said by anyone is pure, unadulterated puffery.

  7. dmoas Dec 9,2013 10:38 am

    #1, I find the whole thing amusing. All that was rejected was Wolff’s current proposal, not SJ. And one of the primary reasons was FSU’s belief that they didn’t like the financials of it. But then AFTER this letter was sent Selig has actually mentioned that they’re still working on it, so in essence, all that letter was for was to fight the lawsuit they knew was coming. The irony being that the shadowy nature of the letter may result in a higher likelihood of them being disposed. Slusser’s take in the chron involved a lot better investigative journalism than most of the other sites who simply read and reported the lawyer-speak and didn’t bother with any of the boring extra follow-up.

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 9,2013 10:43 am || Up

      a higher likelihood of them being disposed

      I’m confused. Did you mean to type “deposed,” or do you mean this makes the lawsuit easier to dispose of?

      • dmoas Dec 9,2013 10:45 am || Up

        deposed. stupid legal stuff and their similarities of words and shit.

        • AV Dec 9,2013 10:51 am || Up

          why isn’t legalese legaleasy??

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
          • dmoas Dec 9,2013 10:59 am || Up

            Probably so that the pay is better. The whole thing is a racket. Tennis, I assume. Possibly bad mitten.

            • DFA Dec 9,2013 11:06 am || Up

              definitely squash.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • ptbnl Dec 9,2013 11:16 am || Up

                I think bad mitten takes it.

                If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • Englishmajor Dec 9,2013 2:52 pm || Up

      Well, we don’t know whether just the current proposal or the whole idea of San Jose was rejected, because we haven’t seen the letter. Slusser has unnamed sources who have seen the letter and characterize it as just the current proposal, but those sources are more than likely Wolff and/or Crowley, and they would say that, wouldn’t they?

      However, even if MLB did reject San Jose in the letter, they didn’t want to do it publicly, since they didn’t. So they want the stalemate to continue. The stalemate serves their current interests; both cities continue to develop plans, the Giants aren’t unhappy, the door is open to other markets down the road if neither Oakland nor San Jose comes up to snuff.

      • Future Ed Dec 9,2013 3:04 pm || Up

        sounds like a CYA letter concocted by MLB lawyers as a trump card in this suit. (not that I think the suit has merit, but MLB being MLB has to be ham fisted about everything)

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • andeux Dec 9,2013 3:14 pm || Up

          Well it’s calling the “just give us an answer either way” bluff. But (as everyone else has said) that doesn’t actually change anything.

          TINSTAAFK
          • dmoas Dec 9,2013 3:28 pm || Up

            Well, it becomes, okay, SHOW US THE LETTER.

      • dmoas Dec 9,2013 3:31 pm || Up

        Given that she’s the only one who’s followed up and actually asked people questions, I’d find her take more reliable. Everyone else is just riffing off of someone else reporting that the doc exists because MLB’s lawyer said so in a court filing. Add in Selig’s own words on the subject after that letter suggests even more so that she has it right.

        • Englishmajor Dec 9,2013 4:30 pm || Up

          Wendy Thurm’s also talked to Wolff….or rather, “a source familiar with the situation”/

          • dmoas Dec 9,2013 5:00 pm || Up

            She’s just riffing off of Slusser most likely. I haven’t seen anyone “with sources” suggest anything other than what Slusser’s source has said. If there was reason to think otherwise, an opposing “source” would have likely spoken up to someone. It’s the circular self-confirming cyclical (yes, I know) nature of the Interwebz news reporting. It’s not really a game changer anymore than whatshisface attorney piping up saying the A’s will be in SJ in two years. It’s all puffery. Like I said further above, there are only a handful of newsworthy/actiony things that can happen that would be something to get excited/disappointed about.

            • Bed Dec 9,2013 5:03 pm || Up

              If there was a usable stadium already in San Jose could the A’s do what the Raiders and Colts did in the 80’s and just move without the consent of their league and tell the league they’ll meet them in court?

              But seriously, folks...
              • dmoas Dec 9,2013 5:43 pm || Up

                They could probably do the same without a stadium there. Whatever negative results would be the same. Wolff has no desire to rock that boat.

  8. lenscrafters Dec 9,2013 11:14 am

    Seems from all indications that Anderson has iffy medicals and any trade involving him will be a salary dump.

    • DFA Dec 9,2013 11:34 am || Up

      im not sure why this is surprising

      Id rather keep him than dump the salary.

      Gray Anderson Kazmir Parker Strailey is a pretty good rotation if healthy.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • lenscrafters Dec 9,2013 11:39 am || Up

        Because we have to fit Jim Johnson’s salary into the budget.

        • dmoas Dec 9,2013 11:48 am || Up

          I don’t think we need to worry about the budget. It’s likely a little over where they want, but it’s all short term and if they can’t get it done, it’s nothing to be too concerned about.

          • lenscrafters Dec 9,2013 11:55 am || Up

            I guess we’ll see, depending on if they dump Anderson for nothing or not.

        • colin Dec 9,2013 11:49 am || Up

          Recent free agent signings around the league (Cano and Beltran, in particular) have caused me to finally grok just how much additional money is floating around now. My guess is that the A’s are shopping Anderson because they have the pitching depth to do so, but that they would also be willing to go into 2014 with their current salary commitments. I agree with DFA that Anderson is a decent gamble at $8, so I would be sad if they dumped him.

      • grover Dec 9,2013 1:43 pm || Up

        I don’t think the A’s need to dump his salary, but I’d rather trade him (out of the division) to free up the cash and bring in someone(s) healthy in return.

        Because I’ve yet to copy/paste an actual tweet…

        • colin Dec 9,2013 1:45 pm || Up

          At least Brett isn’t taking it too hard:

          • Englishmajor Dec 9,2013 2:58 pm || Up

            More like a human anti-aphrodiasiac:

    • dmoas Dec 9,2013 1:00 pm || Up

      According to:
           pEnis
      peniS
             Penis
         peNis

      The Rockies have interest in Anderson.

    • danmerqury Dec 9,2013 7:10 pm || Up

      Obviously, it totally depends on the financial situation, but I don’t really see anyone I’d rather spend the $8MM on than Brett himself.

      • MikeV Dec 10,2013 7:20 am || Up

        LAAAAAA wants pitching and they’re moving Trumbo.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

  9. Glorious Mundy Dec 9,2013 12:08 pm

    I, like Grant, will choose to believe this is true because it’s hilarious:

    By mid-day Friday, Seattle had heard that some team bid nine years and $225 million for Robinson Cano, so the Mariners upped their bid to $240 million and 10 years before apparently realizing the initial bid had come from themselves, too.

  10. Future Ed Dec 9,2013 12:57 pm
    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  11. MikeV Dec 9,2013 1:02 pm

    Can there be much of a market for LoMo? I mean, aside from an awesome twitter account, he kinda sucks at baseball.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • grover Dec 9,2013 1:40 pm || Up

      But he has power in his swing.

      So what if swing doesn’t make contact enough to do anything with said power???

      In all seriousness, if the Marlins are shopping him on the cheap there should be a fair market for his services.

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 9,2013 1:43 pm || Up

      I wonder what Mrs. Morrison thinks of said awesome twitter account.

  12. Englishmajor Dec 9,2013 3:05 pm

    • Englishmajor Dec 9,2013 3:06 pm || Up

      Huh. Don’t know where that disappeared to.

      • Soaker Dec 9,2013 3:47 pm || Up

        Now that’s good family planning, “trying” during spring training so the baby comes in December. It bugs me when somebody takes off for paternity leave in September…so cool it for the next few weeks, guys.

        The Kaycee/Saydee thing, OTOH…

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • Englishmajor Dec 9,2013 5:11 pm || Up

        I just want someone to Photoshop glasses onto the baybee.

  13. andeux Dec 9,2013 4:04 pm

    C’mon DFA, we know you want the tiara.

    TINSTAAFK
    • DFA Dec 9,2013 4:44 pm || Up

      Im more of a very pregnant giraffe guy myself.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • dmoas Dec 9,2013 5:01 pm || Up

        I haven’t seen the context, but that feels like a tagline.

  14. MikeV Dec 9,2013 4:43 pm

    Am I crazy to think Murphy wouldn’t be a terrible option at 2B?

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • DFA Dec 9,2013 4:48 pm || Up

      no I think he would be a good option, but what are you going to do with sogard/punto/callaspo if you get him?

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • nevermoor Dec 9,2013 4:52 pm || Up

        Trade Sogard for some middling minor league RP. Fire Callaspo. Punto stays a utility guy.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • MikeV Dec 9,2013 4:57 pm || Up

        Option Sogard, deal Callaspo for anything, Punto as primary utility guy

        I’m pretty sure Sogard has option years left. His debut was in 2010 and he never played in the minors last year.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

      • dmoas Dec 9,2013 5:03 pm || Up

        Would they take one of them back in trade to do with as they please?

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 9,2013 5:00 pm || Up

      I think I would just as soon stick with Sogard rather than give up anything decent for Murphy.

      • DFA Dec 9,2013 5:08 pm || Up

        this

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • DFA Dec 9,2013 5:09 pm || Up

          Steamer and Oliver both project him as a 2 WAR player with ~140 games

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • Future Ed Dec 9,2013 6:32 pm || Up

            my only issue with sogard is he is taking lowies position.

            SS OTOH

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • MikeV Dec 9,2013 5:09 pm || Up

        I doubt it would take anything decent if the Mets are trying to get rid of him, and Sogard is essentially replacement level. He had to completely fucking catch fire for like 6 weeks last year just to be 1 WAR

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 9,2013 5:12 pm || Up

          I don’t see why the Mets would be so eager to move Murphy unless they are getting pretty good prospects back. He’s pretty cheap and reasonably productive by their standards.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 9,2013 5:17 pm || Up

          Sogard’s not a great player, but he’s a considerably better defensive second baseman (and shortstop) than Murphy is. I wouldn’t feel good about playing a lousy glove at second when we’re running Lowrie out there at short.

          • Bed Dec 9,2013 5:19 pm || Up

            What’s Murphy’s FIP?

            But seriously, folks...
            • Glorious Mundy Dec 9,2013 5:20 pm || Up

              Whenever a batter puts a pitch into play, your defense will fail to convert it into an out.

              • Bed Dec 9,2013 5:22 pm || Up

                I don’t know that sounds more like Murphy’s WHIP.

                But seriously, folks...
          • dmoas Dec 9,2013 5:45 pm || Up

            Who cares about ground balls.

  15. Future Ed Dec 9,2013 6:54 pm

    Water heater not producing hot water. No gas smell. electric starter, cannot see pilot.

    Thoughts?

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Bed Dec 9,2013 7:07 pm || Up

      Buy a new house.

      But seriously, folks...
    • andeux Dec 9,2013 7:22 pm || Up

      That happened to us a couple years ago. On new years day.
      Heating element? How old is it? You’ll probably just want to get the whole thing replaced.

      TINSTAAFK
      • Future Ed Dec 9,2013 7:25 pm || Up

        I think it is about 9 years old. is a heating element something that is replaced? I assume it would be cheaper than a new hot water heater.

        I really don’t want to spend that much money right now.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Soaker Dec 9,2013 7:32 pm || Up

          Another (inexpensive) possibility is that the thermostat died.

          9 years isn’t decrepit, but it’s getting up there.

          What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
          • nevermoor Dec 9,2013 9:14 pm || Up

            Last time I was in Lowe’s I got the impression that tankless systems have gotten a TON cheaper (and, of course, cost much less to operate).

            That’s literally all I have to go on though.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • Future Ed Dec 9,2013 9:20 pm || Up

              I have a logistical problem with that. my exhaust to the street would be about 6 feet above the street. which is super dangerous. I would have to get more permits than its worth right now

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • DFA Dec 10,2013 9:07 am || Up

              my folks have had one for probably 7 years or so works great

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 8:49 am || Up

      thermal something something. $85. Fixed. Assessment is 10 more years out of heater. Nice that I called at 715 and its done by 845.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • AV Dec 10,2013 9:03 am || Up

        thermocouple. piece of cake.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • DFA Dec 10,2013 9:07 am || Up

        yay

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • nevermoor Dec 10,2013 10:48 am || Up

        I love when that happens. We had ants in the new house about a month into our time, called a number at 8, and haven’t seen a single ant in the 4 months since 10 that same day.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 10:49 am || Up

        Who did you call?

        • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 11:00 am || Up

          a guy named Eric Brand. had a rec from a friend. Yelp is nice to him (FWIW). I liked the idea that it was just a dude. seemed young. about 30. nice enough.

          had a breif conversation on the phone, didn’t ask for money for a call. looked at it for a minute, said the problem, said $85. “do you have a few minutes? I can fix it in about 15 minutes.”

          done. Now I need to write a motion to continue, run, then I can shower.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 11:08 am || Up

            Filing this away. Thanks.

            • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 11:12 am || Up

              WTF, the work computer I lugged home for today doesn’t have word perfect?

              Dammit. I don’t want to use mine

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • colin Dec 10,2013 11:27 am || Up

                I thought you were joking when you mentioned WordPerfect, but wikipedia tells me that it is still commonly used in law.

                • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 11:29 am || Up

                  other people don’t?

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • nevermoor Dec 10,2013 11:40 am || Up

                  Nope.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 11:45 am || Up

                  huh. Well, since we do, you would think it would be on the laptop we have for travelling and such.

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 11:47 am || Up

                  I know the federal courts do, but I thought that was it.

                • andeux Dec 10,2013 11:54 am || Up

                  Industry is probably 90%+ MS Word. Google docs might be making a little headway.
                  Sciency academic types use LaTeX.

                  TINSTAAFK
                • colin Dec 10,2013 1:09 pm || Up

                  woo! \LaTeX!
                  crap, it doesn’t know that command for some reason

                  crap, I forget how to make it display right on FK

                • nevermoor Dec 10,2013 1:23 pm || Up

                  [latex]e^{\i \pi} + 1 = 0 [/latex]

                  e^{\i \pi} + 1 = 0

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • dmoas Dec 10,2013 11:24 am || Up

          Ghost Busters.

    • JediLeroy Dec 10,2013 2:32 pm || Up

      Hot water pressure has dropped considerably for us. Regular water pressure is fine. We have flex cables for inlet and outlet, and the inlet is hard as a rock, but the hot outlet is clearly not flowing very fast. Any ideas?

      az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
      • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 2:35 pm || Up

        sediment in the hot outlet? But its at the top of the tank, right?

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • DFA Dec 10,2013 2:41 pm || Up

        I would take them off and run a brush through them

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • andeux Dec 10,2013 2:47 pm || Up

        We had some flex hoses (individual ones going to bathroom sinks and showers, not the main one from the water heater) jam up with little bits of decaying washer. Might be worth checking.

        TINSTAAFK
        • JediLeroy Dec 12,2013 4:19 pm || Up

          So, we found out the problem: one of the filters in the tank. Replaced it, and now the pressure went from drip to firehose. Amazing!

          az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
  16. Future Ed Dec 9,2013 9:35 pm
    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • 5Aces Dec 9,2013 9:59 pm || Up

      Cruz turned down the M’s offer in the hopes they would bid against themselves again.

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • dmoas Dec 9,2013 11:11 pm || Up

        He heard there was a mystery team interested.

        • Englishmajor Dec 9,2013 11:34 pm || Up

          And the Mariners decided to bid on Noslen Zurc instead.

  17. Englishmajor Dec 9,2013 10:32 pm

    Sometimes a stuffed animal from IKEA is just a stuffed animal from IKEA. Sometimes it’s a way of suggesting something obscene to your country’s chief executive.

  18. MikeV Dec 10,2013 7:24 am

    wat

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

  19. MikeV Dec 10,2013 9:00 am

    Fuck.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 9:47 am || Up

      That can’t be all Arizona is getting. It just can’t.

      • DFA Dec 10,2013 9:49 am || Up

        Supposedly they get two good specs

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • andeux Dec 10,2013 9:50 am || Up

        Chicago has to be giving up something too.

        TINSTAAFK
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 10:13 am || Up

      So, is J.B. Shuck now the Angels full time left fielder? I hope so, because he kind of sucks.

  20. Future Ed Dec 10,2013 10:08 am
    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • AV Dec 10,2013 10:13 am || Up

      who you think you are, M.C. hammer? you can’t afford this louis vuitton!!

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 10:24 am || Up

        did I ever tell you about the time SLF played drums for Sir-Mix-Alot?

        He is not a fan of spaying and neutering animals.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • batgirl Dec 10,2013 10:51 am || Up

          Speaking of spaying and neutering, Oakland Animal Services what.the.hell.??

        • AV Dec 10,2013 10:58 am || Up

          what!? how fun.

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
          • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 11:05 am || Up

            when we were in Seattle, she worked for the stranger who sponsored a fundraiser for the spay/neuter clinic. it was a gameshow with regular people and celebrity contestants. (Celebs were Mix, Kim Warnick from the fastbacks and some dude from the presidents of teh united states of america and someone else)

            the host had a band that SLF was in. the final contest was for the contestant to write a song about spaying and neutering and perform it with one of the celebrities and one person from the band. SLF was teamed up with Mix. when he found out what the song was supposed to be about he was disappointed because “that’s not natural!” He did it anyway and SLF and his contestant won.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • Jennifer Dec 10,2013 11:40 am || Up

              Ed, I love you and your family.

            • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 11:48 am || Up

              Scott McCaughey from young fresh fellow and now the baseball project (maybe REM? is he in REM? Is REM a thing?)

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • batgirl Dec 10,2013 12:14 pm || Up

              I’m long and I’m strong and I’m down to get the snippin on!

    • dmoas Dec 10,2013 10:21 am || Up

      IF their numbers are accurate as far as the revenue generated as a result, that’s not a bad overall investment. One would suspect that the cost to host a second time would be less since the leg work associated with it should have been done this time. That being said, meh. Who cares about rich people sailing around?

      • nevermoor Dec 10,2013 10:51 am || Up

        I would be shocked if Ellison did it somewhere else next time. Given that, the city should have a bit more leverage.

        Agreed that it’s a much better deal for a high profile event than, say, hosting the Olympics or building a stadium.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • dmoas Dec 10,2013 11:26 am || Up

          I’d favor the Olympics, costs and nightmare traffic notwithstanding. Who knows, maybe we’d be able to swing some major transit improvements along the way.

  21. Future Ed Dec 10,2013 10:29 am
    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 10:43 am || Up

      Not bad! I have to think his model underrates Portugal though.

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 10:52 am || Up

        And Italy! Wow.

        • AV Dec 10,2013 11:14 am || Up

          not very scientific though. as far as i can tell, not a single cephalopod was polled.

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • ptbnl Dec 10,2013 2:43 pm || Up

      No way England have better odds of progressing than Italy.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • Glorious Mundy Jul 23,2014 3:15 pm || Up

        Well this turned out to be accurate, but irrelevant, didn’t it.

  22. grover Dec 10,2013 12:08 pm

    Three way done.
    Trumbo to AZ. Skaggs and Santiago to Anaheim. Eaton to White Sox.

    • andeux Dec 10,2013 12:18 pm || Up

      + 2 “good” prospects to AZ.
      Still not sure I get that for AZ. They have Goldschmidt, so they’re committing to Trumbo as an OF? Seems like his value there is pretty meh.

      TINSTAAFK
      • grover Dec 10,2013 12:21 pm || Up

        Trumbo to LF for AZ.

        And if your’e looking for “good” prospects you’re shopping in some desolate farm systems.

      • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 12:22 pm || Up

        Good haren for Trumbo! (I know it doesn’t work like that)

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  23. batgirl Dec 10,2013 12:31 pm

    PTBNL–you can tell Lily that Chico snagged a sweet ride to find a home in Boise.

    • ptbnl Dec 10,2013 2:43 pm || Up

      We saw … there was much sadness.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  24. Future Ed Dec 10,2013 12:37 pm

    Is there context I am missing?

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 12:43 pm || Up

      Seems like the only context needed there is that Barton shouldn’t feel too comfortable.

      • Bed Dec 10,2013 4:48 pm || Up

        When it comes to Barton I’m never comfortable.

        But seriously, folks...
  25. aardvark Dec 10,2013 12:43 pm

    Looks like I’ll be in Portland?Vancouver area at the end of January. Anyone seen PDX lately?

  26. Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 12:46 pm

    Wasn’t Skaggs supposed to be a front-line starting pitcher? Can we interest you in Brett Anderson?

    • DFA Dec 10,2013 12:59 pm || Up

      Yeah I just don’t get that move for them. They are likely to not be able to find a better option than Skaggs on the market. Santiago is viable back end but I am worried about the Angels getting Skaggs back.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • grover Dec 10,2013 1:06 pm || Up

        Saw a tweet that quoted an unnamed scout that set Skaggs’ ceiling as a #3 due to the velocity drop.

        Then again… he’s still LH, breathing and under team control for the next 6 years.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 1:10 pm || Up

          Hey, Brett Anderson is two of those three things!

        • DFA Dec 10,2013 1:11 pm || Up

          I can see a velocity drop being an issue, but wasn’t he hurt?

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  27. grover Dec 10,2013 1:34 pm
    • dmoas Dec 10,2013 1:41 pm || Up

      Dead link is dead.

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 1:43 pm || Up

      Drew Pomeranz and Chris Jensen. Seems like mostly a salary dump.

      • Englishmajor Dec 10,2013 1:44 pm || Up

        Poor Brett.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 1:49 pm || Up

          Plenty of skanky white girls to hand with in Denver though.

      • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 1:44 pm || Up
        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 1:46 pm || Up

          Crap. Was hoping it was this guy.

      • 5Aces Dec 10,2013 1:45 pm || Up

        And we are kicking in cash.

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • Bed Dec 10,2013 4:50 pm || Up

          Well, it would have been nice if they asked us first.

          But seriously, folks...
      • dmoas Dec 10,2013 1:46 pm || Up

        Lots of meh there. Rather held on to him than get that.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 1:48 pm || Up

          I guess Pomeranz still has upside. If they had to cut ties with BA, he’s worth taking a flier on.

          • DFA Dec 10,2013 1:56 pm || Up

            yeah a projected 4.20 FIP isn’t terrible

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 7:26 pm || Up

              It’s pretty bad. In 2013 it would have been about a 110 FIP-. I’m guessing from Straily’s 4.05 for 105, and Milone’s 4.30 for 112.

              • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 7:32 pm || Up

                so we are Parker, gray, kazmir, griffin, straily, milone?

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 7:40 pm || Up

                  And I guess Pomeranz is #7 and Humber is #8

              • elcroata Dec 11,2013 6:06 am || Up

                I’m pretty sure that both Steamer and Oliver still have him as a Rockie, making his 4.08 and 4.22 FIP projections to be FIP- of 94 and 97 respectively. Anderson is projected to have FIP- of 94 by Steamer and 107 by Oliver.

                So, if you trust those projection systems, Pomeranz is likely to be at least as good as Anderson next year.

                Because survival is insufficient
                • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 6:22 am || Up

                  That would be awesome, but I’m not sure about that. Steamer has Pomeranz at 0.9 HR/9. Is that really as a Rockie?

                • DFA Dec 11,2013 8:34 am || Up

                  The thing is that Anderson has higher variability which is what the team needs. We have plenty of #4 starters. We need someone that will either catch fire or fall appart

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 8:49 am || Up

                  That would have been my thinking as well. Johnson is more predictable than Anderson, but with very low upside. Pomeranz is unpredictable but without #2 upside that Anderson has — more like $3 upside if you squint. Kazmir, Anderson and Gray would have been a good Front 3 for a playoff series if all were healthy. Now you have Kazmir, Gray and Parker, which just isn’t very exciting.

                • elcroata Dec 12,2013 3:52 am || Up

                  Yup, the updated ones are 3.81 and 3.91, making him the third best projected starter on the A’s

                  Because survival is insufficient
      • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 10,2013 1:53 pm || Up

        Yeah, definitely salary dumpy. Pomeranz could perhaps benefit from a change of scenery though. Colorado -> Oakland is a pretty sweet bump for a pitcher, and he won’t be thrust into a high pressure role or anything right away.

      • lenscrafters Dec 10,2013 2:15 pm || Up

        I’ve never liked Pomeranz but they could’ve done a lot worse. They could’ve just avoided this nonsense by not getting Jim Johnson in the first place.

        I guess they could use the 6 million dollars they saved towards another bat but there’s not much quality to be had for that.

        • DFA Dec 10,2013 2:43 pm || Up

          The good thing about johnson is that they are likely to be able to give him a qualifying offer at the end of this year and net draft compensation.

          Other than that I don’t see why you give away your potential best pitcher for 6m in salary relief and two meh+ prospects

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • andeux Dec 10,2013 2:48 pm || Up

            potential best pitcher

            And I was looking forward to never hearing that phrase again.

            TINSTAAFK
            • DFA Dec 10,2013 3:06 pm || Up

              I get that. I just think that depending on him for 1.25 WAR isn’t that silly

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 3:11 pm || Up

                OK, but he hasn’t done that for three years. And the A’s, given their budget, really need more than that out of their $6 million starting pitchers.

                • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 7:27 pm || Up

                  Really? Then what do they need from $10 million relief pitchers?

                • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 7:29 pm || Up

                  Outs in high leverage situations.

                • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 7:39 pm || Up

                  Then shouldn’t they have gotten Joe Nathan instead of Jim Johnson?

                • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 7:52 pm || Up

                  or wilson (sorry gm)

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 7:53 pm || Up

                  Maybe. One-year contract makes it less risky, though, and who’s to say Nathan would have signed here.

                • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 8:50 pm || Up

                  what is the value of johnson rejecting a qo next year? will he?

                  Can he negotiate a new contract for a lower price and a guarantee of not getting a qo?

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 9:51 pm || Up

                  If no one wanted him at 1/$10M, who’s gonna want him enough to give up a comp pick?

                • DFA Dec 11,2013 8:36 am || Up

                  You don’t think he could get something like 3/24 on the market?

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 8:46 am || Up

                  With draft pick compensation attached? Nathan got 2/$20 with no QO. None of Rodney, Balfour, Nathan, Mujica or Benoit got a QO. Johnson isn’t exceptional like Nathan, rather more like Balfour or Benoit. I doubt the A’s make a QO to him.

                • dmoas Dec 10,2013 8:44 pm || Up

                  Draft pick?

                • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 8:48 pm || Up

                  nathan did not get a qo

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 7:43 pm || Up

                  More to the point, a 1.25 WAR reliever could be a guy who pitched effectively out of the pen for a whole season. A 1.25 WAR starter either pitched a lot of crappy innings for you, or was effective for a very brief time. Either way, you’re getting very little bang for your buck.

                • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 7:47 pm || Up

                  I am not sure. I am thinking out loud here.

                  there is an opportunity cost for seeing whether anderson is April 2013 or (when was he good? 2009? 2010?) good starting pitcher anderson. he is going to be taking staily’s spot. we know what straily and griffin can give in 2014. with anderson there is always a shifting of teh deck chairs waiting for his return. I think that is part of why he went to the bullpen at the end of the year.

                  Johnson is also a known quantity. he can likely get his 60 innings and we know when and where they come from.

                  Now that I am typing i don’t really believe any of it but i am posting anyway

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 9:53 pm || Up

                  Ya the A’s seem to have gone for known quantities in Johnson and Gentry and traded the upside guys in Anderson and Choice. I don’t like it since the known quantities are pretty ordinary.

            • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 7:28 pm || Up

              You can now hear it about Scott Kazmir

              • DFA Dec 11,2013 8:37 am || Up

                From Slusser

                “I think Kazmir might be more of a risk than Anderson,” one exec said. “And what are you telling teams about Anderson? ‘We think so little of him, we’re signing this guy who looked like he was out of the game two years ago.’ That’s not going to help sell teams on Anderson’s health.”

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • dmoas Dec 11,2013 9:12 am || Up

                  At least Kazmir has actually pitched and well recently.

          • grover Dec 10,2013 3:11 pm || Up

            Try it this way…

            Oakland wanted nothing to do with Anderson and they were on the hook for $1.5 million if they let him walk. This way, they’re out an extra $500 K but got two interesting arms in return.

            • DFA Dec 10,2013 3:18 pm || Up

              that makes sense.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:00 pm || Up

              Yep, Jensen looks pretty interesting.
              3.49 K/BB, 5.9 BB% in 152 IP, not bad.
              Plus a #5 draft pick in 2011, could have been worse

              • grover Dec 10,2013 7:15 pm || Up

                Pomeranz was drafted 5th overall in 2010. Signed late and didn’t pitch in pro games until 2011.

    • dmoas Dec 10,2013 1:44 pm || Up

      Apparently Robothal is saying we got Drew Pomeranz and Chris Jensen.

    • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 7:23 pm || Up

      I don’t like this at all. Pomeranz is a lottery ticket and Anderson was healthy at the end of the year. His injuries were not arm-related. His peripherals were pretty good. He could have been the A’s best pitcher in 2014. Instead they give $10M to Jim Johson, who is decent but unexceptional.

      With the 5 moves, it looks like they have an excellent bench and deep bullpen, but the starting pitching is very shaky. They might need Pomeranz in the rotation by June, with Kazmir, Parker and Griffin all big injury risks and Straily and Milone not that great. I’d rather have Anderson in 2014 than Pomeranz and Johnson combined.

      • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:29 pm || Up

        I agree more than I disagree, but I’m personally tired of Anderson’s fragility, I’m in the camp that feels health is a skill*.
        Not a fan of Milone, but they are all 25 yrs old and have the ability to improve, if there is anything I trust in, it’s Curt Young and co.

        • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 7:36 pm || Up

          Yes the one thing that gives me hope about Pomeranz is that the A’s are almost always right about pitchers…..except Dan Meyer and Sean Gallagher and Tyson Ross.

          • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:39 pm || Up

            Tyson was good in San Diego this year, but yes, he was doo-doo in Oakland.

          • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 7:53 pm || Up

            sounds like his fastball and curveball are his two pitches? Don’t the A’s have a pretty good track record of developing the change?

            Serious question. I don’t know how to evaluate that. its something that gets quotes from the pitchers and pitching coaches.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • grover Dec 10,2013 8:11 pm || Up

            Meyer and Gallagher had injury problems; Ross was out of options.

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 7:30 pm || Up

        I don’t know if I buy that he was healthy at the end of last year. He was healthy enough to take the mound, but not healthy enough to start games, and that’s not healthy enough.

        • andeux Dec 10,2013 7:33 pm || Up

          If that was healthy Anderson, then good riddance.

          TINSTAAFK
          • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:35 pm || Up

            It’s 2012 that made me feel that way, when he shit the bed in RP in 13′ just reinforced it.

            • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 7:39 pm || Up

              He at least pitched effectively in 2012, and you could say OK, he picked up a freak oblique injury — at least it’s not his arm again. But now, with a foot injury picked up on a routine play that cost him another three months, he has basically lost three and a half seasons to injuries to three different parts of his body, all of them quite important to pitching, and has not yet shown that he can handle being a starting pitcher again. I’ve defended the guy as a risk worth taking, but I’m just fine taking a couple of healthy arms for him at this point.

              • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:41 pm || Up

                He was great in 12′, no doubt about it, until he broke down in a playoff race…

                • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 7:45 pm || Up

                  That’s the other thing: he broke himself twice, in two different places, just trying to field a damn groundball. That part of his game is so completely terrible and dangerous to his health that he’s arguably useless unless he can radically change the way he finishes his pitches and moves around the field.

                • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 7:55 pm || Up

                  he shod hit the deck after every ptich

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:59 pm || Up

                  I’ll miss Bartolo’s finish, crouched (plopped?) in front of the mound, arms outstretched, ready to mob.

                • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 8:50 pm || Up

                  He hasn’t signed yet…

                • brian.only Dec 10,2013 8:54 pm || Up

                  I’m all for it, unfortch, Rangers are now being linked to him…

                • andeux Dec 10,2013 8:00 pm || Up

                  The deck would win that fight.

                  TINSTAAFK
      • Soaker Dec 10,2013 7:37 pm || Up

        We have over a decade of either Harden, Duchscherer or Anderson being in the prospective rotation in February. Often they’ve looked good in spring training and even into April. We start to count on them. Then, splat. Sure, we could miss and miss big this time, but the skepticism is unavoidable.

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • grover Dec 10,2013 8:10 pm || Up

        Counter-point:

        Anderson was healthy at the end of 2012, as well.

        • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 8:16 pm || Up

          august and september. and was great. then down three weeks

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • dmoas Dec 10,2013 8:48 pm || Up

        I’m not so sure Anderson really was healthy at the end of the season. And he pitched like shit. That might be why Toronto walked away.

  28. Englishmajor Dec 10,2013 1:52 pm

    All gone. (though Braden says he’s in great shape, so who knows?)

    • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 10,2013 1:54 pm || Up

      Gio :(

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 1:54 pm || Up

      The Haren Six is all gone too.

      • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 10,2013 2:00 pm || Up

        Every player who was on the 2010 A’s roster at any point.

        I count Blevins, Donaldson, Barton, Sogard and Coco as the only players still on the team today.

        • Englishmajor Dec 10,2013 2:31 pm || Up

          It’s amazing how you can forget people even existed three years later. Cedrick Bowers.

  29. Future Ed Dec 10,2013 2:10 pm

    So basically the buyout

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • grover Dec 10,2013 2:16 pm || Up

      Makes sense.

      Oakland essentially spent $500K to acquire two young-ish minor league arms that throw 90+ and will start the 2014 season in the upper minors.

      • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 2:22 pm || Up

        I am not hating the deal.

        Anderson was causing my blood pressure to rise and now there is someone with a good pedigree that could be the 6/7th guy in the rotation. and a lotto ticket.

        Anderson was a lotto ticket to begin with

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • lenscrafters Dec 10,2013 2:25 pm || Up

          Still better than what the Tigers got for Fister.

          • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 7:31 pm || Up

            Is Pomeranz any better than Robbie Ray?

        • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 7:30 pm || Up

          Anderson is a much better bet to pitch well than Pomeranz. Pomeranz is a better bet to pitch a whole season, but he’ll probably not be very good, and Anderson’s injury was not arm-related….this time.

          • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:34 pm || Up

            Bone fracture that could not be entirely healed ( rumor btw.) is a big deal for a bulky pitcher.

            • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 7:37 pm || Up

              You mean it’s not healed yet or it won’t heal?

              • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:42 pm || Up

                There was a rumor that Colo initially shied away because his bone may require a permanent screw because the fracture was not completely healed. Apparently the Rockies are okay w/ whatever it is.

  30. Future Ed Dec 10,2013 2:25 pm

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  31. MikeV Dec 10,2013 2:27 pm

    I bet Anderson was more broken than was ever let on.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • Soaker Dec 10,2013 2:30 pm || Up

      The decision not to stretch him out to be a starter certainly suggested that.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 2:32 pm || Up

        that was weird wasn’t it. They had time to stretch him out.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • grover Dec 10,2013 2:33 pm || Up

      Multiple reports of teams backing off from their initial pursuit after reading his medicals. Toronto walked away completely and they were supposed to be “infatuated” with Anderson. Rockies stepped back as well.

      • MikeV Dec 10,2013 2:36 pm || Up

        The most important thing is I can unfollow his dumb ass on twitter

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • grover Dec 10,2013 2:37 pm || Up

          Guess we all got our own priorities…

          • MikeV Dec 10,2013 2:42 pm || Up

            How you been doin btw? Shit goin OK?

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

            • grover Dec 10,2013 3:08 pm || Up

              Pooping well, thank you.

              Things are solid. No worhtwhile complaints.

              And you?

              • MikeV Dec 10,2013 3:23 pm || Up

                Same. Lot better than a year ago, for sure.

                And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                Thanks, and go As.

                • Jennifer Dec 10,2013 3:52 pm || Up

                  Good for you both. Yoy guys deserve some good shit.

              • ptbnl Dec 10,2013 4:33 pm || Up

                This question came up while you weren’t around, and I’m particularly interested in your thoughts, so what’s your take on the inmate firefighters?

                If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • grover Dec 10,2013 4:50 pm || Up

                  Inmate crews are like federal crews are like contract crews… there are good ones and bad ones. Almost always the difference between the good and bad crews comes down to the overhead running the crew. If they’ve got a good Captain, you’ve got a good crew.

                  They usually work hard but you can’t expect a lot of initiative from the crew members; they need to be told what to do and you have to go through their Captain to pass the orders. Part of this is due to the policy of one mistake can get them sent back to prison. Sounds harsh but it enforces the necessary discipline to control the crews. Never forget that they’re convicted criminals and while only non-violent offenders are allowed to work on the crews… keep in mind that there’s a difference between what they’ve done vs. what they were convicted of.

                  They’re cost effective and their kitchen crews are better than most of the caterers contracted to work on major fires.

                • ptbnl Dec 10,2013 7:52 pm || Up

                  Interesting – especially the kitchen part!

                  Are particular tasks reserved for these crews (or forbidden to them)?

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • grover Dec 10,2013 8:24 pm || Up

                  Fire management tries to keep them away from residential areas for a couple reasons.

                  1) We train our folks in how they’re supposed to deal with inmate crews. You don’t chat with them. You don’t share tobacco or swap snacks from your lunch. You don’t let them borrow your cell phone or deliver letters for them or anything like that. You’ve got to keep your guard up around them. They can and have manipulated their guards and Captains into doing these things for them and it gets their minders in deep trouble.

                  So what’s Joe Citizen going to do when an inmate crew member just saves his home and is then asked a favor?

                  2) The guards worry about petty theft. B & E. Worse, when inmate crews do need to go near homes to save them from the fire they can and have been blamed for thefts and even arson by homeowners looking to file an insurance claim.

                  Most inmate crews don’t have the training/experience/equipment to cut heavy timber, so when we need to fall a lot of snags a federal hotshot crew will get the job.

                • dmoas Dec 10,2013 9:00 pm || Up

                  The kitchen part doesn’t surprise me much. They have a lot of time on their hands to learn. And let’s face it, you’re cooking for prisoners who have good access to exact revenge for a bad meal. The rest is very interesting.

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 2:38 pm || Up

      Dude is one swinging bunt from never pitching again, probably.

    • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:02 pm || Up

      There was a rumor of potential screws in the ankle, fracture unhealed, I wouldn’t call him lithe or athletic.

  32. nobody in particular Dec 10,2013 2:42 pm

    Now that Bert’s in the mountains with his pal Peyton Manning, anyone think a minor league deal with Frenchy makes some sense? RF platoon with JR? I mean, he IS a fan favorite already and apparently had his eyes fixed, so maybe he would hit a little bit. GREAT defender, big fan of bacon or so they tell me.

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 2:45 pm || Up

      The thing is he’s not actually a great, or even good defender. He has a very good arm, but he doesn’t get to many balls anymore.

      Do not want.

      • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 2:51 pm || Up

        I am fine with Reddick/Gentry/Crisp/Cespedes/Moss outfield.
        I suppose Taylor and pederson are the back ups.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • dmoas Dec 10,2013 2:55 pm || Up

        Sounds like a pitcher to me.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 2:56 pm || Up

          This I’m on board with. Maybe a buddy comedy with him and Barfield wild-pitching their way through the low minors.

          • dmoas Dec 10,2013 3:10 pm || Up

            We can call it “Makin’ the Bacon: The Story an Artery Clogger.”

    • andeux Dec 10,2013 2:50 pm || Up

      NO

      TINSTAAFK
    • Englishmajor Dec 10,2013 3:08 pm || Up

      I think we should find out if he has any broadcaster potential.

      • Soaker Dec 10,2013 8:23 pm || Up

        Not a bad idea there. Have Francoeur, Michael Taylor and the other English major work about 50 games each on television, see which one works out best. Fosse can still do his How Great Is It? show on the radio pregame.

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • DFA Dec 10,2013 3:18 pm || Up

      If they sign Failcour I will quit being an A’s fan

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • nevermoor Dec 10,2013 3:37 pm || Up

        To a MiLB deal? You’re kidding, right?

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • danmerqury Dec 10,2013 8:16 pm || Up

      Ack. There are, like, ten outfielders in the A’s system I’d rather start in RF than Francoeur.

      • Bed Dec 10,2013 8:26 pm || Up

        How many outfielders are there in the A’s system? I’ll take all of them over Francoeur.

        But seriously, folks...
    • colin Dec 11,2013 7:42 am || Up

      Can he dance? Sign him to play Stomper.

  33. Future Ed Dec 10,2013 3:21 pm
    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • dmoas Dec 10,2013 3:33 pm || Up

      So we send Colorado a lottery ticket and get a couple of scratchers in return?

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 3:50 pm || Up

      Is “severely sprained ankle” a correct description of Anderson’s 2013 injury? I thought he had a broken foot. Not sure which is worse.

  34. Englishmajor Dec 10,2013 3:44 pm

    Jeez, Grant is dumb. I knew whose kid Roger Angell was when I was in junior high school

  35. Englishmajor Dec 10,2013 4:02 pm

    Uh, I know we were joking about this when the Giants signed Huddy, but it was a JOKE, Mark, okay?

    • Soaker Dec 10,2013 4:27 pm || Up

      Is that what “back to work?” refers to?


      I ought to follow somebody different at the golf tournament this year, though I suspect Mulder would be re-retired by then.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  36. Englishmajor Dec 10,2013 4:04 pm

    The annual ordeal of the office holiday party going on in the open atrium that our offices abut…so there’s no way to shut out the noise of all of our not-very-busy colleagues partying while we work. It’s worse this year because they have a live musician.

  37. andeux Dec 10,2013 4:19 pm

    The Faces in Things feed might be my new favorite internet thing (after FK, of course).

    TINSTAAFK
  38. grover Dec 10,2013 4:26 pm

    BA just reviewed the A’s/Rockies trade. (Behind a paywall)

    Pomeranz: His curveball is his best pitch, and he throws his four-seam fastball at 90-92 mph along with a sinker and a changeup. He as battled his delivery at times, which hampers his control and command. ~BA

    He also has an option remaining and is expected to start next year in AAA.

    Jensen: Jensen has above-average command of a fastball that consistently ranges from 92-95 mph and sits at 93 mph. Because he is still learning to use his secondary stuff, he regularly throws at least 70 percent fastballs. His slider is his most promising breaking pitch. ~BA

    Jensen should start next year in AA.

    • dmoas Dec 10,2013 4:28 pm || Up

      Ha. When you said “BA” I think it was Bret Anderson’s review of the trade.

      • andeux Dec 10,2013 4:31 pm || Up

        I’d take that bet.

        TINSTAAFK
        • dmoas Dec 10,2013 4:33 pm || Up

          That’s more like it. But what does he think about the trade?

  39. Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 5:44 pm

    What, huh? Wasn’t he released? What year is this???

    • andeux Dec 10,2013 5:47 pm || Up

      Okajima (RP) was released and went back to Japan.
      Nakajima (IF) is off the 40-man roster but still under contract for another year.

      TINSTAAFK
      • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 5:48 pm || Up

        Ahhh. I had mentally disappeared both of them.

        • Bed Dec 10,2013 6:05 pm || Up

          (Insert Bed doesn’t know who either of them are comment here.)

          But seriously, folks...
      • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 7:32 pm || Up

        Won’t he have to bat no matter where he plays in the field?

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 7:33 pm || Up

          If you keep moving him around maybe opposing managers won’t notice him never batting. Classic sleight of hand.

        • dmoas Dec 10,2013 9:01 pm || Up

          Not on the mound.

    • Soaker Dec 10,2013 6:37 pm || Up

      Is there ANY possibility somebody would take him in the Rule 5 draft?

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • colin Dec 11,2013 7:47 am || Up

        The A’s DFA’d him last summer, to get him off the 40-man. No teams had any interest at that point. If any team is that desperate for a SS, they should probably just call Orlando Cabrera or someone like that and see if they would come out of retirement.

  40. lenscrafters Dec 10,2013 6:00 pm

    For the Danny Espinosa fan contingent on FK:

    • Bed Dec 10,2013 6:03 pm || Up

      It would be surprising to me if they moved Doolittle.

      But seriously, folks...
      • Jennifer Dec 10,2013 6:05 pm || Up

        I would be a little upset.

        • Bed Dec 10,2013 6:06 pm || Up

          I don’t think you give up a power lefty like that unless you really get something special in return.

          But seriously, folks...
        • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:07 pm || Up

          I’d be livid.

      • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 7:34 pm || Up

        Doolittle for Espinosa doesn’t sound like a very good deal, but it might be

        • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:38 pm || Up

          Danny was abysmal last year, but he’s still only 26.

        • nevermoor Dec 10,2013 7:49 pm || Up

          Definitely do Blevins for him though. I think Espinosa could come back and surprise people. Dude had 25 HR power before the injury.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2013 7:51 pm || Up

            Blevins, the guy who was all of a sudden so unreliable that Melvin never used him in the ALDS, instead going with Brett Anderson in Game 4? Yes. I would trade him for Espinosa.

            • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:57 pm || Up

              Yeah, that was odd, I wonder if his arm was dead.

          • brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:54 pm || Up

            Even further, 2B > RP.
            K% is kinda scary though, Carter-ish almost, does not walk.

        • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 7:59 pm || Up

          meta in 5-4-3-2-1

          Seriously though Espinosa is a non starter. His dad is an angels season ticket holder

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • WaddellCanseco Dec 10,2013 9:55 pm || Up

            Big deal, my brother is a Yankee season ticket holder and I’ve not been banned yet

            • Bed Dec 10,2013 10:10 pm || Up

              You can’t be banned on FK…we’ve tried but Ed is still here.

              But seriously, folks...
            • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 5:38 am || Up

              BaNnEd

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • Bed Dec 10,2013 10:04 pm || Up

            Sorry, I only do meta when it involves waffles.

            But seriously, folks...
          • elcroata Dec 11,2013 6:22 am || Up

            heh

            Because survival is insufficient
    • DFA Dec 11,2013 8:32 am || Up

      I like Espinosa, but I don’t get what you do with him if you have Sogard Punto and Callaspo

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 8:41 am || Up

        I’d only trade Blevins for Espinosa because it’s too good of a deal to pass up. I think Sogard has an option left, and so does Espinosa probably. Callaspo replaces Freiman. You can always trade somebody to the Yankees when they get tired of Eduardo Nunez and Kelly Johnson.

        • DFA Dec 11,2013 9:13 am || Up

          Does Sogard have an option left?

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • MikeV Dec 11,2013 9:25 am || Up

            I think he does.

            Sept callup in 2010.

            Optioned to minors in 2011

            Optioned to minors in 2012

            Played full season in Oakland in 2013

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

        • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 11,2013 9:41 am || Up

          It would create a further logjam that would need to be addressed. And a logjam of meh rather than one of lottery tickets.

          • DFA Dec 11,2013 9:52 am || Up

            I would say that espinosa is a lottery ticket

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 11,2013 11:10 am || Up

              Sogard and Callaspo and Punto aren’t though. Considering the rather full 40 man roster, that’s a lot of middling 2B type options taking up spots. That would need to be addressed. If Beane believes Espinosa can return to form, it certainly could be worth the shot, but there’s a lot of not so exciting guys vying for playing time.

              • DFA Dec 11,2013 11:15 am || Up

                The deal is done so it isn’t likely going to be Espinosa, but you really only have 1 second baseman there in Callspo. The rest really are back up SSs and Espinosa and Sogard have options

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • nevermoor Dec 11,2013 11:03 am || Up

            Only if Espinosa is actually healthy now. If he isn’t you shut him down for as long as it takes.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 11,2013 11:07 am || Up

              I would hope an offseason would be enough to heal up from a broken wrist. Things can linger though I guess.

  41. brian.only Dec 10,2013 7:49 pm

    So, slegnA is even worse now in 14′ until they make more moves, meet Grant Green, DH.
    Trumbo was a big power source for them, lots of K’s and no average, but 30/30 goes poof.

    • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 8:01 pm || Up

      their pitching os better and so is their defense

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • brian.only Dec 10,2013 8:06 pm || Up

        SP is pretty scurry if one of their starters gets injured.
        Curious if Pujols can rekindle the fire after the PF surgery, that could be pretty bad for us.

    • danmerqury Dec 10,2013 8:08 pm || Up

      Crazy talk. Trumbo hits big dingers, but that’s about it. His bat really isn’t much to talk about. In return, they got two usable arms, one with (flickering, but still present) huge upside. They got very much better today.

      The D’Backs on the other hand…oh boy.

      • brian.only Dec 10,2013 8:14 pm || Up

        Big dingers and doubles, mentioned terri-bad K rate, was talking to 2014 for Angels.
        Do you think Skaggs will be worth much this year? I do like his future.

  42. brian.only Dec 10,2013 8:10 pm

  43. Englishmajor Dec 10,2013 9:06 pm

    The Oakland City Council approved the A’s and Raiders lease extensions tonight. Larry Reid says for the first time in a long time he’s optimistic about the A’s, based on “the new way Mr. Wolff is thinking as it relates to his ballclub staying in Oakland”.

    • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 9:09 pm || Up

      I am pretty confident the A’s are not leaving for the foreseeable future. it that is what he means. I don’t think it has anything to do with Mr. Wolff

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • Bed Dec 10,2013 9:14 pm || Up

        Let’s say the A’s build a new stadium somewhere in Oakland. Would they suddenly become that much bigger of a draw? Would they get enough corporate suite money in Oakland to generate the kind of revenue that would allow them to actually keep some of their players? I know the Coliseum is a dump but I’m having trouble wrapping my mind around this idea that a new ballpark will turn the A’s into the most popular ticket in town.

        But seriously, folks...
        • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 9:20 pm || Up

          if the A’s pay for a stadium and if oakland then becomes the destination for successful tech companies then yeah, the A’s can sell out the stadium like the giants did during the .com bubble.

          But the A’s won’t have more revenue than they do now unless someone else pays for the stadium

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • Bed Dec 10,2013 9:30 pm || Up

            I did wonder about the cost of building the stadium as well. I won’t pretend to know if Oakland can become a successful destination for tech companies, but that doesn’t seem like something you’d want to rely on for your teams bottom line.

            I don’t have a dog in the fight since I don’t live in Oakland or San Jose. All I want is for the A’s to be in a place where they can be competitive financially. It seems to me to do this the A’s need a new stadium and a stable fan base.

            But seriously, folks...
            • brian.only Dec 10,2013 9:43 pm || Up

              I hear you, but what happened to a ballpark just being a fucking ballpark, it’s not as if the A’s are losing money.

              In the end so much of this is just hype and simple corporate avarice.
              I grew up loving the ballpark sitting on splintery bleachers, melting in the sun, whilst drunken middle aged men spilled beer on me.
              If you would have asked me what a luxury box was I would thought it was a jewelry case.

              Sorry, I will now remove the goggles of nostalgic idealism and naiveté.

              • Bed Dec 10,2013 9:48 pm || Up

                I’ve had fun every time I’ve been to the Coliseum…well, except for some awful Raiders loses. I’m very sentimental and nostalgic about that old place too.

                But seriously, folks...
                • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 9:49 pm || Up

                  they should stay

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Bed Dec 10,2013 9:52 pm || Up

                  I don’t think that’s going to happen over the long term unless they remodel the stadium like they did in Anaheim.

                  But seriously, folks...
      • Soaker Dec 10,2013 9:15 pm || Up

        When I see highlights from a Carolina Panthers home game, I can’t help wondering if that stadium could be modified to be a temporary home for an MLB franchise while the permanent ballpark is being built, similar to what the Marlins played in for all those years. It wouldn’t surprise me if that were Mr. Wolff’s “new way of thinking as it relates to Oakland”.

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
        • Future Ed Dec 10,2013 9:21 pm || Up

          that would be pretty easy.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • Bed Dec 10,2013 9:35 pm || Up

            I know a couple of years ago the North Carolina economy was doing worse than the national average but I’m not sure if that’s still the case.

            If the A’s did move to North Carolina they need to know they’d be sixth in popularity to Duke, NC, NC State, the Panthers, and the Bobcats.

            Add in the fact that North Carolina has little to no baseball tradition and that doesn’t seem like a great move to me.

            But seriously, folks...
            • dmoas Dec 10,2013 10:07 pm || Up

              Nah, San Antonio and Montreal would be more likely destinations outside the bay area. The Rangers have played ST games in SA and they’re doing it Montreal this year.

              • Bed Dec 10,2013 10:09 pm || Up

                I think it’s silly to put a team back in Montreal. If they put one in San Antonio they better have a dome.

                But seriously, folks...
              • Soaker Dec 11,2013 10:00 am || Up

                I’m looking at candidates by television market DMA size. There’s not much left in the U.S. and MLB isn’t going back to Montreal. San Antonio (#36 in the country) would edge out #35 Cincinnati to become MLB’s smallest market. Austin (#40) is 80 miles away (would be some theft from the Rangers there).

                Either Raleigh-Durham-Fayetteville (#24) or Charlotte (#25) would have five existing MLB markets below them, and in either case Greensboro-Winston Salem (#46) is about the same distance as Austin to San Antonio.

                The three larger markets than the Carolina markets that don’t have MLB are:
                #18 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne: A possible lateral move for the Rays, though I think the City of Tampa would be better.
                #20 Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto: I’ve always thought the Kings’ departure would make this viable for the A’s; how do the prospects for that downtown arena look this week?
                #22 Portland: They kicked out their PCL team in favor of MLS. There’s no political will there to do the required retractable-roof stadium.

                What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
                • dmoas Dec 11,2013 10:06 am || Up

                  I think there equation is bigger than simply the TV market size. It’s important, but not necessarily *the* primary factor. Montreal is getting a couple of ST games this season and has MLB’s ear and rumblings of a willingness to come back to the table as far as a new stadium is concerned. Nowhere NEAR happening right now. But give them another 5 – 10 years. SA had games played there last year and more this year in ST. Granted the facility sucks, but the games were sold out and they have political will to talk to the talk. Again, give them another 5 – 10 years. The biggest factor is a willingness to throw money at MLB.

            • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 12:04 pm || Up

              They’d be in front of the Bobcats. Nobody gives a shit about them.

              • Englishmajor Dec 11,2013 2:52 pm || Up

                My brother’s lived in Charlotte for about 20 years, and he thinks nobody there gives a shit about baseball except him.

                • Soaker Dec 11,2013 3:56 pm || Up

                  OK, but this was true of the National Hockey League and the Bay Area 25 years ago. A lot of people scoffed at the Sharks’ arrival, and even Sharks management admitted they weren’t sure they could fill 17,000 seats in downtown San Jose with any regularity.

                  What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • nobody in particular Dec 10,2013 10:21 pm || Up

      I’d advise to sit back and “just enjoy the show” that’s about to start. Everyone just try to suspend their disbelief. That’s all I’ll say.

      Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
      • Bed Dec 10,2013 10:27 pm || Up

        As The Wolff Turns…

        But seriously, folks...
        • nobody in particular Dec 10,2013 10:38 pm || Up

          First rule of great cinema: save the unlikely plot twists for the final reel.

          Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
      • dmoas Dec 11,2013 7:36 am || Up

        I’ve heard that story before and it ends with a yawn.

        • nobody in particular Dec 11,2013 11:04 am || Up

          Good. Carry on then. Nothing for you to see here that contradicts what you already think you know.

          Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
          • dmoas Dec 11,2013 12:00 pm || Up

            See my comment way above. There’s only a handful of actions that could be taken that should receive any level of excitement/disappointment. None of which are on the horizon. And that goes for any of those possibilities. Whatever you think you know, it’s likely just more puffery.

  44. MikeV Dec 11,2013 7:54 am

    Blevins for Espinosa would be fine. YOU CAN’T HAVE DOOLITTLE.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 8:21 am || Up

      They’d really trade Espinosa for Blevins? That seems too good to be true.

      • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 11:04 am || Up

        I don’t want espinosa (angel season ticket holding dad) but I would do that trade

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  45. Soaker Dec 11,2013 9:35 am

    I do enjoy listening to Eric Nadel; he and Korach are the two best in the AL West and probably the whole AL. Bill not winning again, as somebody said that’s gotten to be so much water under the bridge by now.

    What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 11:20 am || Up

      At this point it seems like Korach might win before Bill does.

  46. batgirl Dec 11,2013 10:56 am

    If anyone has a line on Rose Bowl tix let me know. Everyone I know got shut out.

  47. MikeV Dec 11,2013 11:04 am

    Burns had a 134 WRC+ in A+/AA last year.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • Jennifer Dec 11,2013 11:05 am || Up

      Yay Doolittle!

    • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 11:05 am || Up

      roster spot?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 11:43 am || Up

        He was a 2011 draftee so I doubt he’s Rule 5 eligible.

    • MikeV Dec 11,2013 11:06 am || Up

      holy shit.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • DFA Dec 11,2013 11:10 am || Up

        This seems like a pretty good deal actually

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • DFA Dec 11,2013 11:11 am || Up

          The complete lack of power is concerning but it seems like a good get for your second bullpen lefty

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 11:18 am || Up

            I wonder what this means

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 11,2013 11:18 am || Up

            Looks like he has solid plate discipline and great speed. Could be useful if his defense is good.

          • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 11:19 am || Up

            esp when you have a shiny new abad toy

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • DFA Dec 11,2013 11:21 am || Up

              I forgot about abad

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • nevermoor Dec 11,2013 11:11 am || Up

        Not a super hot prospect (for example, didn’t make Sickels’ top 75 or honorable mention) but I still prefer him to Blevins.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • MikeV Dec 11,2013 11:19 am || Up

          He was one of the first names listed as the “also considered” in the Nats Top 20 list.

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

          • nevermoor Dec 11,2013 11:29 am || Up

            Aren’t those sections alphabetical? Also, that’s even lower than I would have suspected coming off a really strong performance.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 11:41 am || Up

              Which is the only reason Aaron Aardvark was listed ahead of him

      • lenscrafters Dec 11,2013 11:28 am || Up

        Supposedly good at defense (CF) and switch hits. Probably won’t be anything more than a bench piece but I’m fine with this. Frees up another 2 million or so.

    • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 11,2013 11:15 am || Up

      Cross another name off the A’s roster from 2010. Down to four now!

      • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 11:20 am || Up

        now is coco the longest tenured A?

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • andeux Dec 11,2013 11:22 am || Up

          Barton

          TINSTAAFK
        • DFA Dec 11,2013 11:25 am || Up

          Barton?

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 11:28 am || Up

            does barton have more ML servce time than coco has time on the A’s?

            How are we counting this?

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • andeux Dec 11,2013 11:37 am || Up

              Wide lead by debut date with A’s (2007 vs. 2010), narrow lead by service time with A’s (4 years 30 days vs. 4 years).

              TINSTAAFK
              • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 11:39 am || Up

                had reddick not gotten hurt last year…

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • andeux Dec 11,2013 11:41 am || Up

                Blevins debuted 6 days after Barton, but had a couple months more service time.

                TINSTAAFK
                • dmoas Dec 11,2013 12:03 pm || Up

                  Which has been in the system the longest?

          • AV Dec 11,2013 1:11 pm || Up

            well, i had no idea. barton went to my high school. then he transferred to my sister’s

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 11:22 am || Up

      We need a new union rep.

      • DFA Dec 11,2013 11:25 am || Up

        ill do it

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 11:28 am || Up

          we wouldn’t have to get the suits taken in

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
  48. nevermoor Dec 11,2013 11:32 am

    Fker bait: $12 buys you a $25 groupon at Souley Vegan.

    Isn’t that one of the places you Oakland folks are always on about?

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • DFA Dec 11,2013 11:48 am || Up

      its inconsistent

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • ptbnl Dec 11,2013 8:17 pm || Up

        But as take out at Beer Revolution next door its always good.

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
        • brian.only Dec 11,2013 8:23 pm || Up

          Man, I can’t wait for it to warm up again…

        • DFA Dec 11,2013 8:50 pm || Up

          this

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  49. lenscrafters Dec 11,2013 11:32 am

    Corey Hart -> Mariners

    • nevermoor Dec 11,2013 11:42 am || Up

      Christ. West Coast Marlins.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • andeux Dec 11,2013 11:44 am || Up

      Does that mean they won’t be throwing a bazillion dollars at Nelson Cruz? Darn.

      TINSTAAFK
    • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 11:45 am || Up

      I like Hart. This could be a great deal for Seattle, and their OF is horrendous….as is their 1B and DH.

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 11:49 am || Up

        It could be, or it could be a Ben Sheets type of thing. I’ll believe that Hart is playable after two surgeries when I see it.

    • DFA Dec 11,2013 11:48 am || Up

      yuck. I wish we had gotten him to platoon with moss

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • nevermoor Dec 11,2013 11:50 am || Up

        Well, as his fantasy BB owner I can’t endorse that. But I think he’s got a live/useful bat.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  50. MikeV Dec 11,2013 11:36 am

    um…

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 11:40 am || Up

      whut?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • nevermoor Dec 11,2013 11:43 am || Up

        da fuq?

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • DFA Dec 11,2013 11:50 am || Up

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 11:47 am || Up

      So Cameron wouldn’t have given up Billy Burns for a LOOGY and Beane traded Brett Anderson for one, enabling them to afford the cromulent but unexceptional Jim Johnson.

    • lenscrafters Dec 11,2013 11:55 am || Up

      Meh, only if Abad and Figueroa get injured or are absolutely terrible in spring training. Both are out of options, I think, unlike Pomeranz.

      • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 11:59 am || Up

        But they also kinda suck, no? Pomeranz has to be better than those guys

    • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 11,2013 11:59 am || Up

      Seriously? That looks like a waste.

    • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 12:04 pm || Up

      I always forget, is rosenthal an idiot? or is he tuned in.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 12:09 pm || Up

        They’re not mutually exclusive

      • brian.only Dec 11,2013 12:43 pm || Up

        I wouldn’t trust him, itchy trigger finger, makes shit up…

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 12:44 pm || Up
  51. WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 12:01 pm

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    Source: #Marlins trading Logan Morrison to Seattle for RHP Carter Capps
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    • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 12:02 pm || Up

      Crap. I didn’t paste it beautifully

      • nevermoor Dec 11,2013 12:09 pm || Up

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • MikeV Dec 11,2013 12:15 pm || Up

        I think you have to use the embed codes now?

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 12:17 pm || Up

          Oh. Thanks.

        • nevermoor Dec 11,2013 12:19 pm || Up

          Nope. Just paste the URL to the actual tweet on its own line in the comment box (i.e. twitter.com/[userid]/status/[long number])

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 12:25 pm || Up

            Testing:

            • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 1:22 pm || Up
              I have $5. No I don\'t.
  52. Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 12:11 pm

    Oliver projects Burns for 2.3 WAR in 2014. Excellent *tents fingers*

    • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 12:18 pm || Up

      Is Oliver Smithers’s alter ego?

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 12:40 pm || Up

        -If I came into your house and started sniffing at your crotch and slobbering all over your face, what would you say?

        -If you did it sir?

        • AV Dec 11,2013 1:15 pm || Up

          looks like someone’s got a rocket in their pocket.

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • MikeV Dec 11,2013 12:24 pm || Up

      Burns/Gentry CF platoon when Coco is gone after this year?

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 12:31 pm || Up

        Not necessarily a platoon guy, since he switch hits. He sounds like the ultimate 4th outfielder/pinch running specialist/pinch hitter when you need a baserunner late.

        • brian.only Dec 11,2013 12:47 pm || Up

          His BB/K is out of control:

          2013
          A+ 402 PA/ 52 BB/ 37 K/ .422 OBP
          AA 138 PA/ 20 BB/ 17 K/ .434 OBP

          • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 12:50 pm || Up

            It might be worth a trip to Sac next year just to watch him work.

            • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 12:55 pm || Up
              I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • brian.only Dec 11,2013 12:55 pm || Up

              Going to be fun watching Russell next year, now we have Mr Burns too.

              • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 12:57 pm || Up

                Might have to wait for late summer though, unless we want to make the significantly longer trip to Midland.

                • brian.only Dec 11,2013 1:16 pm || Up

                  That’s what I was thinking, June- July, really liked what Billy had to say though, roughly:

                  Once you get to AA who knows what can happen, we’ll see how he looks in Spring Training…

                • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 2:17 pm || Up

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • brian.only Dec 11,2013 3:21 pm || Up

                  Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!

    • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 12:28 pm || Up

      2014?

      I mean a 400 OBP is nice but A/AA and now a mlb 2 war?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 12:29 pm || Up

        Shhhh…just go with it.

      • lenscrafters Dec 11,2013 12:32 pm || Up

        Oliver assumes a full time role for everyone, which leads to some wonky projections for prospects. I remember Jai Miller was projected for 3 WAR and nearly 30 something home runs one year.

        • dmoas Dec 11,2013 12:58 pm || Up

          That’s not very useful in his beer league though.

  53. nobody in particular Dec 11,2013 12:36 pm

    “Billy Beane is the master of goulash. You never know what’s in it. You just know it’s going to be good.” –Scott Boras

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 12:38 pm || Up

      You never know what’s going to be in it, but you do know what’s not going to be in it: my clients.

  54. Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 12:42 pm

    Damn right.

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 12:49 pm || Up

      I can just imagine the conversation:

      Rizzo: We’re looking for a lefty reliever. How about Doolittle?

      Beane: {silence}

      Beane: {silence}

      Beane: {clears throat}

      Beane: How about Blevins?

      Rizzo: Yeah, that works.

      • MikeV Dec 11,2013 1:08 pm || Up

        They could totally have Doolittle but we get Gio back, and Harper.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

  55. andeux Dec 11,2013 2:12 pm

    Colon->Mets

    TINSTAAFK
    • Future Ed Dec 11,2013 2:16 pm || Up

      good fit

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • MikeV Dec 11,2013 2:21 pm || Up

      2/20

      Interesing.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

    • Englishmajor Dec 11,2013 2:55 pm || Up

      I wish we’d kept him but I’m glad he’s going to the NL.

      • DFA Dec 11,2013 3:05 pm || Up

        because watching him hit will be fun?

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • MikeV Dec 11,2013 3:08 pm || Up

          I wonder if he’ll ever let go of the bat??

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

        • Englishmajor Dec 11,2013 3:15 pm || Up

          Because he won’t play against us as much, but that too.

    • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 11,2013 3:57 pm || Up

      The Mets continue to buy our free agent A’s. Is Balfour next?

    • mother pucker Dec 11,2013 6:06 pm || Up

      I’d rather have Colon at 10 mil next year than Johnson.

      • brian.only Dec 11,2013 6:09 pm || Up

        Me too, but the market is smaller now than it was a week ago, so…

  56. Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 2:20 pm
    • DFA Dec 11,2013 2:41 pm || Up

      Colisions are fun, but obviously this is better for player health.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 2:43 pm || Up

        I agree. I’ve also never really understood the why catchers should be allowed to block the plate, when no one else is allowed to block a base.

        • andeux Dec 11,2013 2:44 pm || Up

          It is already disallowed under the current rules. They just aren’t enforced.

          TINSTAAFK
          • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 3:00 pm || Up

            So what will they change the rule to?

            “Now you really really can’t block the plate. Ever. Not even a little bit.”

        • dmoas Dec 11,2013 5:12 pm || Up

          Anyone can block a base as long as they have the ball or the ball is coming to them.

          • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 5:14 pm || Up

            They can be in the basepath, but they can’t intentionally close off access to the base such that the runner has to go through them, right?

      • grover Dec 11,2013 5:16 pm || Up

        Imagine Colon heading towards home plate…

        • brian.only Dec 11,2013 5:31 pm || Up

          Yikes, I do seem to remember he did take some ‘to the fences’ cuts at an inter-league game last season, didn’t look silly and seemed really stoked to be batting, big silly smile. Fuck, I’m going to miss him.

  57. Future Ed Dec 11,2013 2:21 pm

    I like it, but it does feel a little smug

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Bed Dec 11,2013 3:19 pm || Up

      I have never gotten this guys appeal.

      But seriously, folks...
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 3:55 pm || Up

      I don’t see it as smug, except to the extent that all twitter sarcasm is a little smug.

  58. Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 2:59 pm

    This is getting out of hand.

    • WaddellCanseco Dec 11,2013 3:01 pm || Up

      That’s a lotta Choo years. I mean he’s good and all but he’s no Mike Hampton.

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 5:16 pm || Up
  59. MikeV Dec 11,2013 3:00 pm

    HAHAHAAH

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • DFA Dec 11,2013 3:15 pm || Up

      They got a #3 and #4 starter for a 2WAR player and some garbage specs, does it really matter if they sign Ibanez?

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • nevermoor Dec 11,2013 3:48 pm || Up

        8/175, I’m assuming.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 4:23 pm || Up

        The Angels got a little better yesterday, but not so much better as to keep us from laughing at them for signing lawndart.

        • DFA Dec 11,2013 4:40 pm || Up

          They fixed their biggest glaring problem and now have 5 credible starters.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • Bed Dec 11,2013 4:46 pm || Up

          I like to play lawn darts…not sure if that helps?

          But seriously, folks...
  60. FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 11,2013 3:21 pm

    Glad to see that not much interesting happened while I was away.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Bed Dec 11,2013 3:24 pm || Up

      I’m just happy my trade streak continues…I haven’t heard of any of these guys Beane traded for.

      But seriously, folks...
  61. Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 4:09 pm

    Nooooooooooooo…(Who?)

    • Bed Dec 11,2013 4:12 pm || Up

      Wait…those are real names?

      But seriously, folks...
      • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2013 4:18 pm || Up

        I mean, if you haven’t heard of them…

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 11,2013 4:35 pm || Up

        I remember that Urlaub was a geeky character on an ABC sitcom. Frankoff might have been a one-term Senator from Wisconsin.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • DFA Dec 11,2013 4:44 pm || Up

          Urlab is a AA reliever who had his K/9 fall but still maintianed a 3 K/BB rate last year

          Frankoff is an A ball reliever that saw a huge spike in K/9 to 11 last year.

          Don’t see either as big potential losses.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • brian.only Dec 11,2013 5:26 pm || Up

            Urlaub was pretty sweet in the AFL this year, scoreless until the last few games, 16 K/ 3BB in 13 IP, SSS of course, but his regular season stats weren’t too far off.

            • DFA Dec 11,2013 7:07 pm || Up

              yeah he did have a really good afl season.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • Soaker Dec 11,2013 8:15 pm || Up

            Guys like that usually wouldn’t last in the majors. Either you get the player back at the end of spring training, or if the drafting team is particularly enamored, you make a trade and grab a decent prospect from them.

            What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
        • Englishmajor Dec 11,2013 5:22 pm || Up

          Isn’t Urlaub the guy who writes that cute column for the Chronicle?

          • brian.only Dec 11,2013 5:27 pm || Up

            Not sure, but I like that his last name translates into ‘vacation’ in german.

  62. nobody in particular Dec 11,2013 5:02 pm

    Don’t hold it against me… I really have way better taste in music than this. This concert is, however, notable for a cameo from Steve Khan and also for its electric hometown energy, due in no small part to the high probability that the snow flurries in the parking lot 36 years ago weren’t the only ones going on that day. That is to say, I suspect there were some in the dressing room as well

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
  63. nobody in particular Dec 11,2013 8:27 pm

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
    • Bed Dec 11,2013 8:34 pm || Up

      Finally, a piece of technology I can get behind.

      But seriously, folks...
      • nobody in particular Dec 11,2013 8:58 pm || Up

        Or in front of.

        Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
        • AV Dec 11,2013 9:40 pm || Up

          i noticed your other post began with “don’t hold it against me.”

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  64. andeux Dec 12,2013 10:29 am

    Giants sign Mike Morse. Last year Morse hit 5 HR against the A’s, and 8 against everyone else.

    TINSTAAFK
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 12,2013 10:33 am || Up

      Man. I guess there’s a chance that his bat might rebound to respectability, but there’s no chance his glove will, and they play in the NL last time I checked.

      • DFA Dec 12,2013 11:34 am || Up

        Belt in the OF Morse at 1b to minimize the damage?

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • Future Ed Dec 12,2013 11:46 am || Up

          BELT DOESN’T GET RIBBIES, SEND HIM TO FRESNO!!! WORHTLESS!!!!

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • nevermoor Dec 12,2013 3:32 pm || Up

            I’d trade Callaspo for him. STRAIGHT UP.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 12,2013 11:02 am || Up

      My god: He put up -1.6 fWAR in only 337 plate appearances last season. That’s amazing.

    • JediLeroy Dec 12,2013 4:26 pm || Up

      Pretty sure I witness at least half of those homers.

      az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
      • brian.only Dec 12,2013 5:39 pm || Up

        Yup, He destroyed us that first series, I was at the game he hit 2, and then one the next day maybe, I remember stomping on my peanut shells in anger.

  65. Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 12,2013 5:45 pm
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 12,2013 6:14 pm || Up

      well, it is an incredibly dirty joke.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."

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