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Non Tender Day / December Grill 594

1. YAY

2. yay. Not Huddy or Haren, but yay.

Heyman says it’s a 2 year deal.

However, this probably means Bartolo is not being retained.

The Orioles are also trying to move Jim Johnson, who apparently makes $10M this year and had 0.9 WAR. Then I found out he is a reliever. Huh.

Baseball stuff is happening. Oh also Cyber Monday so the A’s are selling Opening Day tickets, and charging extra for the CONVENIENCE of purchasing them at home and printing them out yourself. Thanks, A’s!

And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

Thanks, and go As.

594 thoughts on “Non Tender Day / December Grill

  1. DFA Dec 2,2013 11:13 am

    I like Kazmir if he can maintain the velocity he had this year. Would allow us to trade a back end starter like Millone which has a ton of value in a world where jason vargas gets 4/32

    In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  2. colin Dec 2,2013 11:22 am

    Does anyone have a summary of the A’s 2014 payroll (including arby estimates, I guess)? I would like to see them still try to sign Colon, but maybe it’s not in the budget.

    • andeux Dec 2,2013 11:30 am || Up

      According to b-r:
      $39 M guaranteed salaries
      $21 M arbitration (estimated)
      $5 M pre-arb players
      $11 M for Kazmir.

      That would put them at $76 M. Last year was $60 M. Even with the new TV money, I doubt they’re going about $80 M, so probably no room for Colon without shedding salary somewhere else.

      TINSTAAFK
      • lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 11:38 am || Up

        Trading Anderson, Smith, and Callaspo could clear another 15-16 million or so. Of course, if that goes to Nelson Cruz…

        • DFA Dec 2,2013 11:41 am || Up

          If we cant get someone better than nelson cruz why shouldn’t we just keep them.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • dmoas Dec 2,2013 12:30 pm || Up

            I’d trade them for something better that picks up that cost instead.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 2:16 pm || Up

          I for one hope Anderson is not traded. There’s a lot of upside there for $8 million.

          • colin Dec 2,2013 2:22 pm || Up

            I agree, and I would be pretty happy to go into the season with 7 reasonable Major League starters (Anderson, Kazmir, Gray, Parker, Straily, Griffon, Milone).

          • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 2:43 pm || Up

            I hope he’s not traded because we’ll need his 120 innings to supplement Kazmir’s 150.

            • colin Dec 2,2013 2:48 pm || Up

              If you put them together, Steamer projects 260 IP and 3.6 WAR. At $19M, that’s $5.28M per win which is fine but not great.

              • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 2:57 pm || Up

                With Kazmir signed, are there any options that provide a projected superior cost:benefit ratio?

            • Soaker Dec 2,2013 3:25 pm || Up

              Kazmir + Anderson 2014 = Sheets + Duchscherer 2010. Throw Brett Anderson’s initial breakdown into the mix in 2010, and that’s how Geren wound up pushing Vin Mazzaro out there for 18 starts.

              What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
              • colin Dec 2,2013 5:27 pm || Up

                That sucks. Shut up!

              • andeux Dec 2,2013 5:42 pm || Up

                Sheets was coming directly off his injury when we signed him. Kazmir has already proven to be effective again. He could get hurt again, of course. I’m definitely in favor of having 7 (or more) passable starters around, because (not just A’s) pitchers always get hurt.

                TINSTAAFK
                • DFA Dec 2,2013 6:45 pm || Up

                  I agree with both points. Anderson can be the Sheets.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • colin Dec 2,2013 11:43 am || Up

      Updated, now that we have a Kazmir number
      Updated again for Johnson
      Added Nakajima. Made the pre-arb numbers a bit more realistic.
      Updated for Gentry trade

      Here is my attempt (using Cot’s):

      [Under contract]
      1. Cespedes — $10.5
      2. Anderson — $8
      3. Crisp — $7.5
      4. Callaspo — $4.875
      5. Punto — $2.75
      6. Kazmir — $11
      [ ] Nakajima — $3 (not on the 40-man roster)
      TOTAL = $47.625

      [Arbitration eligible]
      7. Smith (5.119 years, $3.675 in 2013) — $4.5?
      8. Lowrie (5.111 years, $2.4 in 2013) — $5?
      9. Jaso (4.032 years, $1.8 in 2013) — $3?
      10. Moss (3.160 years, $1.6 in 2013) — $3?
      11. Barton (4.030 years, $1 in 2013) — $1.5?
      12. Blevins (4.081 years, $1.1 in 2013) — $1.5?
      13. Reddick (3.050 years, $0.51 in 2013) — $3?
      14. Chavez (3.108 years, ?? in 2013) — $1.3?
      15. Johnson (5.165 years, $6.5 in 2013) — $10?
      16. Gentry (3.084 years, $0.5 in 2013) — $3?
      TOTAL = $35.8???

      [Pre-arb]
      17. Cook
      18. Milone
      19. Parker
      20. Scribner
      21. Sogard
      22. Donaldson
      23. Abad
      24. Doolittle
      25. Griffin
      26. Norris
      27. Straily
      28. Rodriguez
      29. Freiman
      30. Figueroa
      31. Gray
      32. Leon
      33. Otero
      34. Parrino
      35. Peterson
      36. Taylor
      37. Vogt
      38. Werner
      39. Ynoa
      40. Lindblom
      TOTAL (10 * $0.6 to fill out the 25 man, then 14 * $0.15) = $8.1 (maybe still too generous)

      2014 payroll estimate = $91.525 (!!)

      • lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 5:58 pm || Up

        Hm, I think this is missing Nakajima’s ~3 million.

        • DFA Dec 2,2013 6:45 pm || Up

          ew

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • colin Dec 2,2013 7:09 pm || Up

          Oh yeah, him. The SS market is really weak, but I still don’t think the A’s could get anything for Nakajima in a trade.

          • lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 8:43 pm || Up

            Well, time to add another ~10 million to the total.

            • brian.only Dec 3,2013 8:20 am || Up

              A’s are getting around $17M in TV money this year right? That’s pretty much Kazmir and Johnson with a few million thrown in on top, I’m more than fine w/ that.
              I’d even still go for Colon, see what you can get for Milone and Seth Smith.

      • colin Dec 3,2013 2:05 pm || Up

        Wait, there should be 41 players + Nakajima. Who am I missing?

  3. lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 11:32 am

    That’s a drop in the bucket in this free agent SP market. This is so much better than committing more money and years to mediocrities like Hughes and Vargas.

    • andeux Dec 2,2013 11:33 am || Up

      Updated to 2/$22M. Still seems totally reasonable.

      TINSTAAFK
  4. Englishmajor Dec 2,2013 11:57 am

    I was in the shower and heard my phone making Twitter notification tones….came out and discovered that 19 people I followed had followed @scottkazmir19 in the last hour. Oh.

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 11:59 am || Up

      Your phone alerts you when people you follow follow other people? That way lies madness.

      • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 1:31 pm || Up

        it just started recently for me. I lost my phone two weeks ago. when the new one comes that will be the first thing I turn off

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 2:16 pm || Up

          It takes 2 weeks to get a new phone? Geez, that’s insane.

          • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 2:23 pm || Up

            That’s what I thought. They said 2 business days to process and mail, but I have been to busy to follow up

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 2:45 pm || Up

              Maybe you’d be less busy if you could call people instead of having to go see them.

            • andeux Dec 2,2013 3:17 pm || Up

              Too busy watching cricket?

              TINSTAAFK
              • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 3:22 pm || Up

                I am watching windies vNZ right now

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 3:24 pm || Up

                  As long as we’re discussing sports most Americans have never seen, I hear Fiji beat NZ in rugby 7’s.

                • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:26 pm || Up

                  I suddenly feel a lot cooler about the fact that I watch golf.

                  But seriously, folks...
                • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 3:29 pm || Up

                  Golf: The one sport that makes cricket seem fast-moving and non-aristocratic.

                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 3:30 pm || Up

                  hey, they are about to break for lunch

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:34 pm || Up

                  This explains why when I play golf I have a stiff upper lip and feel the need to oppress others.

                  But seriously, folks...
                • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 3:33 pm || Up

                  Dude, you’re too cool. I can’t compete, I gave up years ago.

                • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:35 pm || Up

                  I’m as cool as someone who says they’re as cool as the other side of the pillow.

                  But seriously, folks...
                • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 3:38 pm || Up

                  I’m as cool as a cup of coffee you forgot about for 2 hours. About as desirable, too.

                • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:47 pm || Up

                  I don’t drink coffee…I’m a Republican.

                  But seriously, folks...
                • Soaker Dec 2,2013 5:47 pm || Up

                  LOL at the Seahawks firing up the crowd by having Fred Couples raise their “12th Man Flag” tonight.

                  What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
                • AV Dec 2,2013 4:30 pm || Up

                  like, how in the world do you go from a conventional 2.4 V8 to a 1.6 V6 turbo from one year to the next and say it’s the same sport???

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 5:03 pm || Up

                  Remember when Ford thought it was a good idea to offer a turbo 4 in a Mustang? That’s just wrong.

                • MikeV Dec 2,2013 7:35 pm || Up

                  A) The SVO was awesome

                  B) They’re bringing back a Turbo 4, apparently

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 9:04 pm || Up

                  A Mustang should have the rumble and roar of a V8. Nothing wrong with turbo 4’s, but the Mustang is not the place for them. Same way you wouldn’t stuff an OHV V8 in a Porsche, even a great one like the LS6.

      • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:03 pm || Up

        I can make phone calls to other people with phones with my phone.

        But seriously, folks...
        • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 3:05 pm || Up

          Humanity will rue the day that rotary phones died.

          • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:08 pm || Up

            All I know is I pay a bunch of money each month for phone quality worse than I had in 1982. God damn kids and your god damn cell phones…GET OFF MY PHONE!

            But seriously, folks...
            • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 3:11 pm || Up

              But in 1982, you couldn’t hold up your phone and have it identify the song on the radio.

              • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:14 pm || Up

                Fair point…it’s all good…who needs a good signal anyway?

                But seriously, folks...
                • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 3:19 pm || Up

                  Most of what other people say is irrelevant. As long as they can hear you, that’s all that matters.

                • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:22 pm || Up

                  I actually hate talking on my cell phone so much I usually turn it off. With my new job I have an office phone I use instead. What I’m saying here is I’m old damn it.

                  But seriously, folks...
                • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 3:24 pm || Up

                  So am I.

  5. colin Dec 2,2013 12:16 pm

    Cameron is bullish

    The A’s, over the last few years, have very clearly prioritized performance over durability.

    …based on both the A’s history and Kazmir’s 2013 season, this looks like a strong bet to be one of the best contracts given to a free agent starter this winter.

    • DFA Dec 2,2013 1:02 pm || Up

      I just don’t understand how you don’t spend $2m on a better and more durable pitcher who happens to be a fan favorite instead of the guy that even when healthy hasn’t been as good.

      Also this

      There are obvious health risks here. The velocity has gone away once, and maybe it will again. Kazmir might have figured out how to fix himself, but that doesn’t mean he won’t break again. He hasn’t thrown 200 innings in a season since before the year the original iPhone was released. The A’s are signing Kazmir on the hope that they’ll get 150 to 180 good innings, and they have to expect that they’ll need someone to fill in for him at some point during the season.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • colin Dec 2,2013 1:06 pm || Up

        I agree that it looks a bit questionable when you put it side by side with the Hudson deal. The A’s really don’t seem to give a FK about ground balls, and I’m starting to think that there is some reasoning behind it.

        • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 1:35 pm || Up

          Saying your starting shortstop is Jed Lowrie is exactly like saying “I don’t give a fuck about groundballs.”

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • MikeV Dec 2,2013 1:14 pm || Up

        They allegedly offered Huddy the same deal first, and then he took $1M more to play for the 76 win team instead.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • DFA Dec 2,2013 1:22 pm || Up

          Right, so why not offer him 24m instead of 22 and get a pitcher much much less likely to be a total blackhole and that your fans like?

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • MikeV Dec 2,2013 1:26 pm || Up

            Who knows? Maybe Huddy was talking to both teams and went to the Gnats and said “beat 22M and I’ll sign because I want to stay in the NL so I can hit” and there was never an option for us to go to 24?

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

            • DFA Dec 2,2013 3:19 pm || Up

              That is possible, but if Beane cant get a “I took Charles fucking Thomas so I could get you close to home, let me match those shitbags at ATT’s offer before you accept it” from him, maybe he shouldn’t have written that book about himself.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 1:43 pm || Up

        -It’s not at all clear to me that 38 year old Tim Hudson coming off a brutal ankle injury is less of a risk than 30 year old Kazmir with no recent injury history.
        -It’s also not just two million. The Giants gave Hudson a no trade clause. The A’s didn’t have to with Kazmir.
        -It’s also not at all clear to me that Hudson is the better pitcher as you claim. Steamer projects Hudson as a number 3/4 while Kazmir is more of a number 2. The A’s have plenty of #3/4 types. They are in the market to find someone who can replace or at least come close to Bartolo’s production last year. In terms of who is most likely to do that out of Kazmir, Bartolo, or Hudson, Kazmir is probably the best bet going forward.
        -Kazmir is a flyball/strikeout guy who fits better with our current outfield defense/park than Hudson who pretty much exclusively relies on groundballs.

        In a perfect world, they sign both, but even though I was a huge advocate of signing Huddy, I see no reason at all to nitpick this move.

        • DFA Dec 2,2013 3:17 pm || Up

          Is it possible to have an injury history when youre not playing baseball?

          How many comparables does Scott Kazmir have for Steamer to base it off of?

          How much are you going to bet that Kamir retains the hardest fastball hes thrown since he was 21 9 years ago?

          How much of Fangraphs thinking Kazmir is better is due to regressing his HR rate to league average levels when he has been a homer machine.

          Steamer also projects him to throw a full 1 BB/9 below his career next year. How confident are you on that?

          Im fine with this signing because we needed more starting pitching, but Id still rather have hudson with the bad injury.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • MikeV Dec 2,2013 3:23 pm || Up

            Why are we so in love with Steamer now?

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

            • DFA Dec 2,2013 3:26 pm || Up

              unlike everything else it is publically available now

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • brian.only Dec 3,2013 8:24 am || Up

              Because we’re all still waiting for ZiPS!

          • lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 3:46 pm || Up

            1. Sure, it’s assumed he’s injured.
            2. Few, but I don’t know how much this matters because we’re not talking about PECOTA.
            3. As long as he’s healthy, I’m reasonably confident he’ll be around the same velocity. Which is basically what you can say about any pitcher.
            4. It’s nonsense to categorize Kazmir as a home run machine when he has a career HR/FB of 9.4%, which is below league average.
            5. Pretty confident, as that projection is worse than what he actually did this year.

            • DFA Dec 2,2013 6:43 pm || Up

              1. Sure, it’s assumed he’s injured.

              Im confused when you say that when you say this above it.

              30 year old Kazmir with no recent injury history.

              Are you arguing that he does or doesn’t have an injury history

              3. As long as he’s healthy, I’m reasonably confident he’ll be around the same velocity.

              He hasn’t been healthy for most of his career and has experienced velocity loss in the past. Qualifying it as as long as he’s healthy is a cop out, you should have to predict it with health. Thats like saying if I get 21 at the black jack table I am confident that I will win the hand, when you are sitting there after getting dealt a 16; getting to 21 is the hard part.

              4. It’s nonsense to categorize Kazmir as a home run machine when he has a career HR/FB of 9.4%, which is below league average.

              He hasn’t had a HR/FB rate below 11.6% for four years.

              Pretty confident, as that projection is worse than what he actually did this year.

              It predicts him to have a half run better era an 3/10ths of a run better FIP.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • grover Dec 3,2013 8:25 am || Up

          One counter-arguement…

          The A’s didn’t need to sign a FA SP to try and replace Colon’s 2013 production; in fact, Steamer is projecting 2.2 fWAR from Kazmir in 2014. The A’s best chance at replacing Colon’s 4 Win pitching was pitching against Detroit a couple months ago : Sonny Gray or Jarrod Parker.

          • colin Dec 3,2013 9:35 am || Up

            I don’t think you could count Parker as *replacing* Colon, since Parker was already part of the 2013 pitching staff.

            My opinion though is that the A’s should be looking to improve their starting pitching for 2014, not just tread water. They always look good by ERA because Oakland is a pitchers park, but 2014 Oakland starters were 10 out of 15 in the AL by WAR (8/15 by SIERA, which is park corrected). On the other hand, the A’s position player WAR was 3/15 and relievers were 6/15 by WAR (for whatever that’s worth) or 3/15 by SIERA. All that implies that starting pitchers might be the low hanging fruit if we are looking to improve the A’s roster.

          • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 9:44 am || Up

            If Parker or Gray is replacing Colon’s production, then Kazmir is replacing Straily/Griffin/Milone’s production, which is a worthwhile thing to invest money in.

      • grover Dec 3,2013 8:20 am || Up

        In fairness, I don’t think an extra $2 million would’ve landed Huddy.

        An extra $2 million + a NTC was needed to land Huddy… and Beane doesn’t like to give out NTC’s.

  6. nobody in particular Dec 2,2013 12:46 pm


    all will be reveeeeeeealllllllled

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
    • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 2:19 pm || Up

      If there’s one thing we lack around here, it’s a sufficient supply of Led Zeppelin.

  7. Future Ed Dec 2,2013 1:38 pm

    Who else had a conversation with their family this weekend that included mentions of DFA and EM?

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 2:45 pm || Up

      I try to avoid conversation with my family as much as possible.

      • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:05 pm || Up

        Which is why they like talking to me more than to you.

        But seriously, folks...
        • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 3:06 pm || Up

          The problem with talking to them is that they don’t just shut up and listen to me. They say things back.

          • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:09 pm || Up

            I didn’t read what you wrote…I was too busy talking to the screen.

            But seriously, folks...
            • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 3:12 pm || Up

              Good man. It’s better that way. The next time I write something meaningful or funny will be the first time.

    • DFA Dec 2,2013 3:19 pm || Up

      Me.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 2,2013 8:05 pm || Up

      I mentioned Bed in a family conversation. Something along the lines of “my foolish internet friend who thinks Reggie McKenzie is a bad GM.”

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 8:19 pm || Up

        i wasn’t the one who mentioned them

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Englishmajor Dec 2,2013 9:55 pm || Up

          Now that I helped unionize the stations in LA and San Diego, I am renowned!

      • Bed Dec 2,2013 10:05 pm || Up

        Well, I like to think I’m foolish for a variety of reasons.

        But seriously, folks...
  8. Bed Dec 2,2013 3:10 pm

    So Kazmir goes from off the scrap heap to a good year that leads to 22 million clams…not bad for him. I hope it works out.

    But seriously, folks...
    • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 3:13 pm || Up

      I took a couple good photos this year. I wonder if that’ll get me a fat contract.

      • andeux Dec 2,2013 3:17 pm || Up

        I thought paparazzi were mostly freelancers.

        TINSTAAFK
      • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:17 pm || Up

        I’m not sure…I know how you can get fat though.

        But seriously, folks...
        • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 3:23 pm || Up

          I manage that quite well on my own, thanks.

          • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:30 pm || Up

            My advice would be to stop eating your weight in Cool Whip each morning for breakfast.

            But seriously, folks...
            • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 3:34 pm || Up

              I find your comment vile and reprehensible, sir. I never touch Cool Whip! I make my own REAL whipped cream, thank you very much!

  9. Future Ed Dec 2,2013 3:15 pm

    Darren Sammy just grazed the bails but they didn’t fall. Hashim Rutherford got really lucky.

    Its a sticket wicket

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Bed Dec 2,2013 3:18 pm || Up

      Ed…did you have a stroke?

      But seriously, folks...
    • Poppy Dec 2,2013 5:21 pm || Up

      That’s another coded message to Jennifer, isn’t it?

      There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
    • ptbnl Dec 2,2013 11:44 pm || Up

      Sticky

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 11:53 pm || Up

        typo, feel free to correct

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  10. Future Ed Dec 2,2013 3:27 pm
    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  11. MikeV Dec 2,2013 3:34 pm

    Daniel Bard was nontendered.

    Reclamation project please PLEASE PLEASE.

    As a reminder, he is the guy that once threw this pitch:

    Yes. That does say 99mph.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • colin Dec 2,2013 5:34 pm || Up

      Playing in the Puerto Rican winter league this year, he has faced 14 batters, walked nine of them, thrown four wild pitches, and only recorded one out. In the 2013 regular season, he played in the Red Sox minor league system, but no higher than AA, and allowed 27 walks with 11 wild pitches in 15.1 innings.

      Totally broken.

      • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:01 pm || Up

        He seems worthy of a minor league deal, but the Cubs will probably offer that.

  12. lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 5:32 pm

    Wtf, that doesn’t seem like a good deal for Detroit.

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 5:37 pm || Up

      That makes no sense at all.

      • colin Dec 2,2013 5:46 pm || Up

        Completely nuts.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 5:51 pm || Up

          I can’t come up with a single justification from the Tigers perspective. It’s just inexplicable.

          • DFA Dec 2,2013 6:46 pm || Up

            They have 5 Starters, they desprately need bullpen help and they forgot that they just traded a very fat man for a overpaid secondbaseman?

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:02 pm || Up

              Who’s the bullpen help? Krol?

              • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 8:20 pm || Up

                wasn’t he bad this year?

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:27 pm || Up

                  Yes and not just this year, which is why it makes no sense at all.

                • DFA Dec 2,2013 10:40 pm || Up

                  Hes been good in the minors after they made him a reliever. His fastball mph jumped into the mid 90s

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • DFA Dec 2,2013 10:39 pm || Up

                I guess he really cooled off after that hot start. He did have a K/BB of almost 5 when he was in AA

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 9:48 am || Up

            Well, um, it could be a good minor leaguer?

      • DFA Dec 2,2013 6:47 pm || Up

        Also this means the Nats are going with Rodon at 2b?

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  13. Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 6:58 pm

    • DFA Dec 2,2013 7:01 pm || Up

      i don’t get that at all.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 7:13 pm || Up

        I wouldn’t mind having him, but not as the closer, and not for anything of value, and probably not at what he’ll get in arb this year.

    • colin Dec 2,2013 7:14 pm || Up

      He’s a decent relief pitcher, but probably way too expensive because of all those saves? I though someone said that he was signed for $10M in 2014, but I don’t see anything about that on Cots.

      • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 7:23 pm || Up
        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • colin Dec 2,2013 7:52 pm || Up

          There aren’t many teams who can afford a $10 million setup man, but I guess the Dodgers are one.

          I guess he probably would close for the A’s, but Doolittle would be just as good. But one of the things I like most about Oakland is that they would never ever pay $10M to a relief pitcher.

          • MikeV Dec 2,2013 7:58 pm || Up

            Callaspo and Anderson for Johnson and a couple prospects?

            Fuck, I dunno. This seems weird.

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

            • nobody in particular Dec 2,2013 8:04 pm || Up

              Can’t BB just pluck a closer out of the Eastmont Mall like always? I thought there were closers panhandling all up and down Hegenberger looking for work the way he invents them time after time.

              Rather deal Bert for a bat if at all… VERY hard to give up on Bert despite how tempting it is at the surface to do so. He’s only 25 and I really think he has a chance to still be an upper-end starter.

              You probably all think I’m an idiot but I want Beltran, to share RF with Reddick’s wrist and take DH ABs away from Seth Smith… that guy is so money in the postseason, I bet he could even win games for US is October, Team Playoff Hopeless, Inc. LOL

              Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
              • nobody in particular Dec 2,2013 8:06 pm || Up

                *in October

                Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
              • MikeV Dec 2,2013 8:12 pm || Up

                Beltran would be nice but he wants one more serious payday. He’s going to NYY.

                And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                Thanks, and go As.

            • colin Dec 2,2013 8:21 pm || Up

              I think I would rather pay Anderson $8M, even with his injury history, than pay Johnson $10M.

              • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:28 pm || Up

                Yes.

              • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 9:13 pm || Up

                More innings for fewer dollars.

                • colin Dec 3,2013 5:25 am || Up

                  Well, more innings is questionable. Even as a reliever, Johnson has thrown significantly more innings than Anderson over the past three years combined.

          • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:03 pm || Up

            Well they paid more than $1.00 to Arthur Rhodes which is even worse.

    • lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 8:11 pm || Up

      Christ, this makes even less sense than Nelson Cruz.

  14. Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 7:22 pm

    Andrew Bailey non-tendered.

    • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 7:24 pm || Up

      he was injured at the end of the year?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 7:25 pm || Up

      I was going to make a snarky comment about how bad that trade was for the Red Sox, and then I remembered that they won the World Series, and I had a massive sad.

      • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 7:28 pm || Up

        since the trade the A’s have a better record by a lot and have been to the post season twice.

        Plus remember how sad reddick was to be on the A’s and how happy bailey and sweeney were to be with the red sox?

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 7:30 pm || Up

          I don’t remember Reddick being sad, but I do remember the other two being happy. I also remember hanging 20 runs on those fuckers last season.

          • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 7:38 pm || Up

            ptbnl and i were at that game.

            Reddick wasn’t sad, but he wasn’t pumped. He said the “Happy to get an opportunity to play” stuff

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • ptbnl Dec 2,2013 11:48 pm || Up

              My seats were a birthday present for the Red Sox fan who introduced me to baseball.

              If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  15. Future Ed Dec 2,2013 7:36 pm

    The Windies don’t have their masher, but they have nice quotes:

    “It’s the life of a professional sportsman,” said Sammy. “One minute, you are in the hot and crazy fan atmosphere of India, and the next day, you are in New Zealand,

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:04 pm || Up

      I guess a minute in India is like a day in New Zealand

    • AV Dec 2,2013 8:45 pm || Up

      so have you seen the movie? i keep almost watching it until i realize it’s not about jamaican music.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 8:48 pm || Up

        No. In my week and a half being a cricket fan, I have not seen that

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 9:00 pm || Up

        its on netflix streaming. cool

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  16. Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 8:07 pm

    FK it. I’m watching cricket with Ed.

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 8:08 pm || Up

      I’m one minute in and already full of questions.

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 8:11 pm || Up

      The Windies uniform crest is cool:

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 8:12 pm || Up

        That didn’t work, but it’s a tiny island with a tree and a wicket on it.

        • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 8:27 pm || Up

          it is cool.

          Are you seeing the Windies/NZ test match?

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 8:29 pm || Up

            I guess? I don’t know what a test match means though.

            • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 8:34 pm || Up

              are they both wearing home whites?

              I think test is only for qualified national teams (the west indies is all one “country”) the matches last 3 days.

              Seriously the matches in india have about 50K in attendance and they are pretty into it.

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 8:36 pm || Up

                Yep, both in white. There doesn’t seem to be much of a crowd. Lots of players seem to just stand around doing nothing.

                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 8:39 pm || Up

                  that’s it. the batting team has a striker and a non striker on the field.

                  they both run when the ball is hit. if they advance only to the opposite side (called a crease) they switch strikers. if the striker gets a 2, 4, or 6 (meaning how many times they run back and forth), the same striker is at bat. they never run 4s and 6s. you get 4 runs if the ball bounces past the boundry. 6 on the fly.

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 8:47 pm || Up

                  Can one of them get thrown out trying to stretch a 2 into a 4 or whatever?

                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 8:50 pm || Up

                  yes. if they do not have their foot or stick on the ground past the crease and the bails are knowckd off the wicket (usually by a throw) then they are out.

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • AV Dec 2,2013 8:52 pm || Up

                  let’s see if my understanding is correct:

                  they’d be stretching it into a 3. (it doesn’t have to be even numbers of runs. just that the automatic, non-running ones are even.)

                  and yes they could be thrown out, at either wicket.

                  and the other striker — though i thought it was batsman — would be up while they bring in a new one to replace the one thrown out.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 8:55 pm || Up

                  yes, batsman

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • AV Dec 2,2013 8:57 pm || Up

                  is that all i got right??

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 9:01 pm || Up

                  no, the rest is correct as far as I know.

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 8:42 pm || Up

                  tino best just said a bad word. oh my

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • ptbnl Dec 2,2013 11:56 pm || Up

                A test match is 5 consecutive days, without make-up days for rain-outs.

                You have to have more runs than the other team and get them all-out twice. Even if you are a million runs ahead, if you don’t get the last wicket of the second inning within 5 days, it’s a draw.

                So if you are a long way ahead and batting, you might need to surrender your remaining wickets (by “declaring”) in order to have enough time left to get the other team all out. Of course if their bats then suddenly go crazy and manage to overtake your declared score, you lose.

                If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 9:37 am || Up

                  Thanks, that makes sense. (Your explanation, not the sport)

          • AV Dec 2,2013 9:33 pm || Up

            is it over? i can’t find it.

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
            • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 9:41 pm || Up

              for the day yes.

              starts up at 1 or 2 tomorrow

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 9:46 pm || Up

              after 90 overs, NZ is 367/3 and the Windies have yet to bat.

              My understanding is that in a test match each team has two innings. so WI needs to get 7 more wickets to have their first innings and they have only gotten 3 in a day.

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • AV Dec 2,2013 9:51 pm || Up

                test = 4 innings (?)

                *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
              • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 9:52 pm || Up

                Yes but NZ could Declare.

                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 10:02 pm || Up

                  hmmmm, I have not come across “declare” in my week as a cricket fancier.

                  I will investigate

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 10:07 pm || Up

                  they may have to, huh?

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Bed Dec 2,2013 10:09 pm || Up

                  All this cricket talk is going to make us the most popular A’s related baseball blog on all of the internet.

                  But seriously, folks...
                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 10:10 pm || Up

                  freechutney.net

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • DFA Dec 2,2013 10:44 pm || Up

                  would people object if i taglined this?

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 1:44 pm || Up

              its back on

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • elcroata Dec 3,2013 9:55 am || Up

            While I was at Sydney, I went to the practice of a local cricket team. It is funny how much similarity there is in basic corporal movements to baseball.

            Because survival is insufficient
            • elcroata Dec 3,2013 9:57 am || Up

              Also, they use baseball gloves when they practice (the guys who hit infield or outfield drills for return throws) and they suck at it :)

              Because survival is insufficient
              • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 11:15 am || Up

                the defense seems to be the inefficiency.

                Is there a reason there is not a motion defense of something?

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 8:54 pm || Up

      I’m told that New Zealand’s “session” at bat was “staggering.” I will take their word for it, as it seemed kind of unimpressive to me.

      • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 8:56 pm || Up

        two dudes got centuries with a partnerhip of 182 and tehy are still not out. That is pretty impressive.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 8:58 pm || Up

          I recognize most of those words.

          • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 9:01 pm || Up

            I don’t type well, I know

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
  17. doctorK Dec 2,2013 8:08 pm

    If any of the Niner fans here were hoping for help from the Aints tonight, looks like you’re going to be disappointed.

    • MikeV Dec 2,2013 8:14 pm || Up

      I’m so over the PEDhawks and their fake field and their awful ass cheap shot taking defense.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 2,2013 8:23 pm || Up

        I prefer the phrase “Seadderall.”

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • doctorK Dec 2,2013 8:28 pm || Up

          lol

          Also, It took me several tries to understand the ref’s explanation about not calling a delay penalty against NO. At first, it sounded like he said they were “stretching our balls” – it was actually “switching out balls”.

          • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 9:16 pm || Up

            Has there been a rule change regarding players touching a pass? I thought if an offensive player touches but doesn’t catch a ball in the air, another offensive player cannot touch it until a defensive player has also touched it.

            • doctorK Dec 2,2013 9:21 pm || Up

              That rule was changed a long time ago, some time after the Immaculate Reception Incompletion.

              • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 9:24 pm || Up

                Really? Wow. I feel like I saw that rule come into play during my football-watching lifetime, but I guess not. Sometimes it’s hard to tell reality from fantasy.

  18. MikeV Dec 2,2013 8:15 pm

    Daniel Hudson nontendered?

    HE was pretty damn good a year ago wasn’t he?

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

  19. lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 8:20 pm

    SuSlu on Kazmir, Anderson:

    Multiple teams have expressed interest in Anderson, and the A’s are looking for catchers and/or middle infielders in return, according to one big-league source.

    Uh…aren’t those the positions where we have the most players?

    • colin Dec 2,2013 8:25 pm || Up

      Catchers doesn’t make sense, unless they think Jaso isn’t coming back.

      If they got a reasonable SS, then Lowrie might turn into a nice trade chip.

      • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:26 pm || Up

        Isn’t Russell a “reasonable SS”? Why trade for one when Lowrie’s already your stopgap?

        • brian.only Dec 3,2013 8:32 am || Up

          As excited as I am for him, I’d like to see him play in AA and AAA for at least till August.

      • lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 8:26 pm || Up

        Anderson and Callaspo for Johnson and Hardy?

        • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:37 pm || Up

          I don’t get the appeal of Johnson at all. How is he any better than Dan Otero? If they want to waste $10M on a reliever why not Joe Nathan? Is he getting 4/$50M or something?

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 10:24 am || Up

        I’m not sure catchers makes sense even if Jaso is in trouble. I think Norris might be really good.

        • colin Dec 3,2013 10:55 am || Up

          If I’m thinking about potential improvements on the roster, I would look at a Norris/Jaso platoon and think “that’s as good as we’re going to do without spending tons of money/prospects”. Improving on the left-handed hitting part of a Norris/Vogt platoon is much more plausible.

          • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 2:13 pm || Up

            Quality lefty hitting catchers aren’t exactly easy to find though. That’s why I like Jaso so much, despite his defensive foibles.

    • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:25 pm || Up

      I don’t get it either….unless we’re trading Norris and Lowrie for Jim Johnson

  20. FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 2,2013 8:28 pm

    Man, a wisdom tooth extraction would have been more pleasant than the meetings I attended today. At least the extraction comes with anaesthesia.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:38 pm || Up

      Sounds like you picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue

  21. MikeV Dec 2,2013 8:40 pm

    Well, okay then.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 8:41 pm || Up

      I have no opinion of this

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 2,2013 8:46 pm || Up

        I’m happy that the activists can go back to just putting Free Leonard signs in the trees.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 9:56 am || Up

        Huh, when I hear “payroll dump” and “A’s,” I picture things going the opposite direction. If the A’s don’t have to follow this up with a dump trade of someone potentially useful, I guess I’m ok with it? Johnson is a good reliever at least.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 9:58 am || Up

          The irony is that apparently the Dodgers weren’t willing to take on Johnson’s whole salary, but the A’s were.

          • brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:15 am || Up

            I hardly think the Billy’s finished, JJ could very well be in a different uniform come spring.

            • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 10:39 am || Up

              The Billy is never finished. The Billy never sleeps. The Billy’s eyes are always on the next deal.

              • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 3,2013 11:04 am || Up

                He’s like the Anti-Dude.

                "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 10:31 am || Up

            A Reverse Hanley.

    • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:46 pm || Up

      Ya this is quite a relief given the Anderson rumors

      • lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 8:50 pm || Up

        This could still indirectly lead to an Anderson trade. The A’s are pushing 85 million right now in total payroll. I think something’s gotta give.

        • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:52 pm || Up

          Ya I don’t like the idea of just giving Anderson away to save money.

          • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 8:53 pm || Up

            I could live with moving him for good prospects.

            • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:58 pm || Up

              Sure but trading him now seems like selling low. Why didn’t they trade him for Wil Myers? Why?

            • lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 9:01 pm || Up

              FKing Tigers trading Fister for peanuts might’ve screwed us a little. I have serious doubts that Anderson would fetch “good” prospects. If Anderson becomes a salary dump just to fit Johnson on the team, I’d be pretty peeved.

              • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 9:03 pm || Up

                Is it too late to non-tender Johnson? Then sign him at a hometown discount?

                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 9:05 pm || Up

                  unless they did it by 5 minutes ago

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 9:10 pm || Up

                  Can we ask Superman or Cher to turn back time?

                • doctorK Dec 2,2013 9:22 pm || Up

                  Cher wanted to turn back time to when she didn’t need autotune.

              • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 9:04 pm || Up

                We don’t expect any big money moves, do we? there is no free agent fit left, right?

                Why can’t the A’s stand at $85M?

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 9:06 pm || Up

                  I mean, we still do have to make room for Cano.

                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 9:08 pm || Up

                  can we offer him $1 over what the yankees offer? price as right style

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 9:09 pm || Up

                  How about a winner-take-all game of Plinko.

                • lenscrafters Dec 2,2013 9:11 pm || Up

                  They can, but I seriously doubt this is it for Billy. I think he’s looking for a DH/RH outfielder, whether that’s Cruz or someone else.

                • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 9:15 pm || Up

                  So he doesn’t believe in Choice eh?

                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 9:46 pm || Up

                  I believe in choice

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 9:53 pm || Up

                  If you got it, you don’t want it.
                  Seems to be the rule of thumb

                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 10:08 pm || Up

                  are you saying what I have is freedom of choice and what I want is freedom from choice?

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 10:14 pm || Up

                  I implore you not to be tricked by what you see. Please remember that you got two ways to go.

                • nobody in particular Dec 2,2013 10:16 pm || Up

                  Nobody ever said life was free.

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 10:17 pm || Up

                  sink? swim? go down with the ship?

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • brian.only Dec 3,2013 8:37 am || Up

                  He went in circles, he dropped dead.

                • nobody in particular Dec 2,2013 9:51 pm || Up

                  You gotta admit, this trade is a good one, just for the potential back page headlines:

                  “Johnson Huge for A’s in Win”

                  “Johnson Comes Up Big Again”

                  “A’s Ride Johnson to Victory”

                  “Rejuvenated Johnson Big Reason for Oakland Success”

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • AV Dec 2,2013 9:57 pm || Up
                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 9:58 pm || Up

                  “Johnson, Reddick Come Up Big At Climax For A’s”

                • MikeV Dec 2,2013 9:58 pm || Up

                  “Oakland’s Johnson Plowing Through Opposition”

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • Englishmajor Dec 2,2013 10:01 pm || Up

                  Not to mention the Ragin’ Johnson dance we’re going to formulate in the bleachers.

                • nobody in particular Dec 2,2013 10:12 pm || Up

                  We just have to avoid injuries with this one, people:

                  “Injured Johnson Has Deflated A’s Reeling”

                  “Athletics Await Return of Broken Johnson”

                  “A’s Johnson to Get MRI”

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 10:18 pm || Up

                  “Limp Johnson Can’t Perform”

                • Englishmajor Dec 2,2013 10:36 pm || Up

                  As I said on the Lounge, wait until we get the new iteration of these in stock. It’s a license to print money!

                • whimsical witch Dec 2,2013 10:37 pm || Up

                  what’s up with that horrid visor?

                • nobody in particular Dec 2,2013 10:38 pm || Up

                  “I <3 Johnson" shirts could pay for TWO stadiums.

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • Englishmajor Dec 2,2013 10:40 pm || Up

                  MikeV has it right though, it has to be “I HELLA <3 JOHNSON".

                • whimsical witch Dec 2,2013 10:41 pm || Up

                  agreed.

                • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 9:39 am || Up

                  I think we should put it on a cap instead of a shirt, and call them “Jimmy Hats.”

                • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 9:57 am || Up

                  Heh

                • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 10:13 pm || Up

                  When he blows a save: “Johnson’s Big Boner Embarrasses Oakland”

                • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 10:15 pm || Up

                  Wouldn’t it be more embarrassing to have a small boner?

                • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 10:19 pm || Up

                  like forgetting to back up third? and allowing some guy on the other team to go all the way?

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • ptbnl Dec 2,2013 11:59 pm || Up

                  Getting caught in a DP.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 10:19 pm || Up

                  Depends on the timing. Sometimes, a boner is inconvenient and a small one would be easier to conceal.

                • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 10:20 pm || Up

                  LADIES OF FK: I AM ASSUMING THAT A SMALL BONER IS EASIER TO CONCEAL. I DO NOT SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE. IGNORE WHAT OTHERS TELL YOU.

                • batgirl Dec 3,2013 10:03 am || Up

                  {makes notation on Ladies of FK super secret blog}

              • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 9:05 pm || Up

                If that’s the case, I hope Wolff sucks it up for a year and keeps Anderson.

                • nobody in particular Dec 2,2013 9:41 pm || Up

                  We just acquired two guys making 10+ million a year on the same day, so it’s obvious Wolff has told Beane that money is no object and he wants the trophy. So I’ll expect the Robinson Cano and Jacoby Ellsbury press conference in Oakland in the morning, then :P

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
        • dmoas Dec 3,2013 12:01 am || Up

          Most of that big money is locked into short term contracts AND easily tradable if necessary. We’ve been well under the budget so to speak for a few years now. Add in the additional TV money + the Red Sox in the WS money + general Revenue Sharing money. The A’s can afford it. I could even see them adding on a little more. But nothing added on would include anything long term.

        • bear88 Dec 3,2013 12:07 am || Up

          This is a surprising trade, and I don’t think we are going to like the next one.

        • brian.only Dec 3,2013 8:34 am || Up

          Extra TV money this year.

    • doctorK Dec 2,2013 8:48 pm || Up

      Damn – what do I do with my Weeks shirt?

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 8:49 pm || Up

        Hang onto it in case we pick up Rickie.

      • brian.only Dec 3,2013 8:40 am || Up

        Mine turned into a ‘paint’ shirt 2 years ago, still comfy!

    • nobody in particular Dec 2,2013 9:25 pm || Up

      All we need is to trade them some prospects for JJ Hardy and we’ll have their two best JJs. Then, you bring back John Jaha as a coach and it’s World Series time :D

      Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 2,2013 9:42 pm || Up

        Eventually leading to Moneyball II, directed by JJ Abrams.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 9:45 pm || Up

          Starring J.J. from Good Times.

          • AV Dec 2,2013 9:53 pm || Up

            you’re not impressing NiB till you bring up jj cale. especially if it’s a video and jj jackson introduces it.

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
            • AV Dec 2,2013 9:53 pm || Up

              *NiP

              *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
              • nobody in particular Dec 2,2013 9:57 pm || Up

                or Johnny Jenkins, AV

                yes that is Duane Allman on the sick slide dobro shit, holy fuck

                Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • AV Dec 2,2013 10:09 pm || Up

                  i don’t have two jays to rub together, but i enjoyed that nonetheless.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • mother pucker Dec 2,2013 10:40 pm || Up

      What is everyone’s favorite Weeks memory? I do not have many, and am probably forgetting my true favorite, but I will go with the triple he hit against either Tampa or Toronto in the 15th inning in 2012.

      • AV Dec 2,2013 10:46 pm || Up

        i’m trying. but unfortunately all i’m seeing is the magnet calendar where he’s oversliding from april to october.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • DFA Dec 2,2013 10:51 pm || Up

        when he got sent back to sac

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • Bed Dec 2,2013 10:52 pm || Up

        I’ll likely forget who he is within the hour.

        But seriously, folks...
      • Englishmajor Dec 2,2013 10:58 pm || Up

        The first time his cap flew off. After a while it got old.

      • Soaker Dec 3,2013 8:13 am || Up

        Bob Geren getting fired the day after Weeks debuted.

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • brian.only Dec 3,2013 8:41 am || Up

        Gotta be the helmet falling off pretty much every time he failed to get on base.

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 9:47 am || Up

        The youtube with him playing the drums.

    • colin Dec 3,2013 7:48 am || Up

      I don’t mind losing Weeks (doesn’t sound like anyone else does either), but I’m assuming that they will definitely want to cut payroll now, so we’ll see what happens there. Are there any rumors about the ptbnl? I don’t really see Johnson as providing much surplus value, given how much money he is expected to make, so my feelings on the trade really hinge on how much value we send to Baltimore.

      • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 8:06 am || Up

        there isn’t an efficient way to shed payroll.

        One way to look at it, is Johnson is replacing Young’s payroll spot.

        I don’t know anything about this guy. sounds like a typical reliever with ZMOG! SAVES!

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • colin Dec 3,2013 8:13 am || Up

          He gets groundballs and doesn’t walk many people. Not a lot of strikeouts though. Doesn’t really have a platoon split, which is good for a closer and not what I would expect from a sinkerball guy. Career shutdowns/meltdowns is 177/56, which is almost identical to Balfour (182/56).

          But mostly ZMOG! SAVES!

          • DFA Dec 3,2013 8:19 am || Up

            i thought we were ignoring groundballs

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • colin Dec 3,2013 8:24 am || Up

              I thought so too.

              • DFA Dec 3,2013 8:26 am || Up

                i had come to depend on your thinking colin… step it up

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • colin Dec 3,2013 9:38 am || Up

                  Obviously Billy has discovered that other GMs are reading my comments on FK. By game theory that means he has to do the opposite.

            • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 8:35 am || Up

              No, No. WE are not ignoring groundballs, the A’s middle infielders are.

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 10:00 am || Up

                If they can ignore groundballs for 8 innings, that will let them buckle down and focus for 1 inning and make no mistakes.

            • dmoas Dec 3,2013 10:15 am || Up

              After 8 innings of running after fly balls, their legs need a break.

  22. doctorK Dec 2,2013 8:47 pm

    doctorK family health update:

    So I haven’t posted much about this, but about a week before the end of the season (in fact, the day Balfour served up a fat one to Hamilton), I had to take Kate to the ENT doctor because my wife had found a polyp in her left nostril. The doc ordered up a test for Cystic Fibrosis, because nasal polyps are typical for CF patients, even though she had no other symptoms. This test came positive, as did a follow-up test. Some follow up work showed that her lung function is completely normal, but her left sinus was chock full of polyps and stuff. Today she had out-patient surgery on that sinus, which went well. She’s had minimal post-op pain and no nausea, and her appetite had returned by late afternoon.

    Neither of our families have any known history of CF. This was a total surprise for both of us. We also had no idea that there is a mild form of CF that leaves the lungs alone (she’s had this from birth, after all), but thankfully that is apparently what she has.

    • WaddellCanseco Dec 2,2013 8:50 pm || Up

      Very good news

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 2,2013 8:50 pm || Up

      Yikes. That sounds like a rough ordeal, and a pretty good outcome.

    • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 8:51 pm || Up

      so that sounds like the best news of bad news. Yes?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • doctorK Dec 2,2013 9:07 pm || Up

        Yes. A CF diagnosis used to be a death sentence for children. Nowadays, at least half of the people with CF are adults.

        • ozzman99 Dec 2,2013 9:22 pm || Up

          CF is awfully scary to hear, but they’re making huge strides in treating it in children.

    • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 2,2013 8:58 pm || Up

      Those K family folk, they’re a tough bunch.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • AV Dec 2,2013 9:02 pm || Up

      i was all like

      :(

      to

      :|

      to

      cautious but optimistic :)

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • Poppy Dec 2,2013 9:26 pm || Up

        Well put… same here.

        There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
      • oblique Dec 3,2013 6:56 am || Up

        What AV said. Thank you for sharing, and glad she is trending better.

      • brian.only Dec 3,2013 8:44 am || Up

        What that guy said.

      • batgirl Dec 3,2013 10:05 am || Up

        Me too–hugs from here!

    • colin Dec 3,2013 7:03 am || Up

      Wow, that is intense and scary. I’m glad that it has turned out as well as could be hoped for.

    • grover Dec 3,2013 8:34 am || Up

      Good to hear. Best wishes.

    • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 10:03 am || Up

      Sounds scary. Hope it’s all smooth sailing from here out.

    • elcroata Dec 3,2013 10:04 am || Up

      Ouch, man. Crossing fingers that things turn out for the best

      Because survival is insufficient
  23. Bed Dec 2,2013 10:03 pm

    Weeks went from hero to zero pretty quickly. If Johnson is an effective closer it seems like a solid trade. I’m still waiting for a hitter though.

    But seriously, folks...
  24. Future Ed Dec 2,2013 10:11 pm

    AV bait:

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • AV Dec 2,2013 10:12 pm || Up

      i see a [?]

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • Future Ed Dec 2,2013 10:13 pm || Up

        hmmm. check your email

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • colin Dec 3,2013 5:38 am || Up

        Yeah, that image link just isn’t going to work at all.

  25. colin Dec 3,2013 8:02 am

    I’m making fun of my (Red Sox fan) wife because her team just signed Pierzynski.

    • colin Dec 3,2013 8:03 am || Up

      She’s not taking it real well.

      • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 8:09 am || Up

        are you married to any ranger fans? cuz that shit is funny too

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • DFA Dec 3,2013 8:25 am || Up

          we have lots of catchers

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • Englishmajor Dec 3,2013 3:02 pm || Up

        Twins fans on Twitter are all sad too, apparently they actually wanted that FKer back.

  26. elcroata Dec 3,2013 8:47 am

    Johnson? Kazmir? Hmmmmm

    Anyway, now that I have a normal keyboard and a decent connection, let me put it a bit more eloquently. We are back home and the trip was a complete blast. Those of you on FB might have read an update or two, those who aren’t, everything was just as we hoped for or better. And that includes our time in SF and hanging out with many of you.

    Not pictured: beers

    So, instead here are some beers from Auckland :)”

    Because survival is insufficient
    • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 8:50 am || Up

      how come I am the one that looks like he’s been travelling?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • elcroata Dec 3,2013 8:54 am || Up

        Because you came from the future to meet us. Much appreciated!

        Because survival is insufficient
      • elcroata Dec 3,2013 8:55 am || Up

        Btw. if I had a dime for every time we thought of Milo and his singing of Spanish alphabet, I could start the trip all over again. He is simply too cute for it to be legal…

        Because survival is insufficient
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 9:43 am || Up

      Very, very sorry to have missed you in SF.

      • elcroata Dec 3,2013 9:50 am || Up

        There will be a next time, for sure.

        Because survival is insufficient
      • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 10:04 am || Up

        Likewise. That was a stupidly busy day for me.

    • ptbnl Dec 4,2013 11:00 am || Up

      Great to meet in person, and delighted to hear the trip was a success. Will you do a full write-up for us?

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  27. brian.only Dec 3,2013 9:12 am

    I’m surprised many seem down or ambivalent about Kazmir, it seems more likely to me that he will actually pitch next year, which is more than one can expect from Anderson.
    When he did pitch last season, he looked mediocre to terrible, did I miss something, or are people just looking at his age?
    SSS of course, I see a nice K%, but the BB% poops all over it, same w/ the sexy 62.9% GB%, add a 17.9 FB/HR and I’m pretty turned off.

    • DFA Dec 3,2013 9:36 am || Up

      Steamer projects Anderson to pitch better than Kazmir, when he does pitch. His BB/9 was almost 2 more than his career and his FB/HR was about 7% higher than his career. Plus he pitched out of a different role than he was use to. I think if he goes back to starting, hell be good again.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • colin Dec 3,2013 9:42 am || Up

        I agree. By xFIP (i.e. once you regress that HR/FB rate), he was better than Colon (albeit in a very small sample). Against my better judgement, I am hoping for a healthy season from Anderson, which could more than replace the lack of Bartolo.

        • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 9:44 am || Up

          I too am amped for a healthy season from Anderson. With Devine anchoring the back end of the bullpen, the A’s are a can’t miss!

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • colin Dec 3,2013 10:00 am || Up

            I love how Duchscherer makes batters look stupid with that 89 mph fastball.

              • brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:18 am || Up

                On a side note, I seem to recall rumors of a Braden audition/ bullpen?
                Anyone have any info on if that actually happened?

            • dmoas Dec 3,2013 10:18 am || Up

              Meanwhile Harden is a fking god.

              • ozzman99 Dec 3,2013 5:03 pm || Up

                If I had to pick an A’s pitcher to throw 1 pitch to win a game, he might be my choice.

          • brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:01 am || Up

            Lol, exactly, I know he has upside, but counting on him to pitch?
            Loved his 2012, but he broke down again right when we needed him the most…

      • brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:08 am || Up

        Actually steamer is predicting a shade better FIP (-.09, which is pretty insignificant), but overall Kazmir’s K/BB ratio is far superior.
        He’s also projected to double the amount of innings which in the end is what’s valuable anyhow, and why I’d rather have/ rely on Kazmir than Anderson.

        • DFA Dec 3,2013 10:58 am || Up

          The IP is based on Anderson being used as a reliever. Playing time is the most suspect of the projections.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • brian.only Dec 3,2013 11:05 am || Up

            They had him for 8 or 10 starts IIRC, but yes, agreed, most nebulous. I’d still take Kazmir by the numbers.

    • Soaker Dec 3,2013 9:47 am || Up

      My skepticism about Kazmir has much to do with Billy’s record on pitching acquisitions. He’s been most successful when he traded something of value to acquire guys with little or no previous service time (Haren, Parker). Signing free agents out of the Discount Pitching Barn has gone well (McCarthy, Colon). There have been a few successes with draft choices (Gray, we hope). When he’s gone into the competitive free agent market, you find some success (Balfour) but a bunch of clunkers (Loaiza, Sheets, Fuentes).

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:13 am || Up

        If Gray can keep it up I’m not even worrying too much about Anderson, it’s Parker that I’m worried about.
        Sheets really killed our season, that was a tough year.

  28. Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 9:52 am

    Jim Bowden was on 95.7 this morning, and they asked him what A’s fans should expect from Jim Johnson, and he basically said he’s just like Balfour because they have similar ERAs. It’s amazing that MLB teams used to entrust their baseball operations to such idiots not that long ago.

  29. brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:39 am

    !

    Gentry?

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 10:40 am || Up

      Wait, what?

    • brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:41 am || Up
      • brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:42 am || Up

        I’m mad…

        • lenscrafters Dec 3,2013 10:46 am || Up

          Look at Gentry’s stats. He’s pretty damn good. And he always seems to kill us.

          • brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:48 am || Up

            That was the silver lining, his no longer killing us.
            I understand he’s better, I’ve just been waiting for Choice for so damned long I feel Desme’d!

            • lenscrafters Dec 3,2013 10:53 am || Up

              Choice isn’t really much worth waiting for. I doubt he’ll ever be as good as Gentry is now.

              Gentry is pretty similar to healthy Peter Bourjos.

              • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 10:57 am || Up

                Our lack of depth in CF going forward was kind of scary. Gentry should be good and cheap for three more years.

                • DFA Dec 3,2013 11:01 am || Up

                  What do you mean? You could throw Crisp, Cespedes, Reddick or even Choice there in a pinch.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 11:03 am || Up

                  I’m talking post-Crisp. I didn’t see a full-time solution for the position in the pipeline, though I guess playing Reddick there might work.

                • DFA Dec 3,2013 11:06 am || Up

                  Playing Reddick there and Cespedes in RF would maximize both’s value.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • dmoas Dec 3,2013 11:17 am || Up

                  I’m thinking we’re trading an outfielder.

          • colin Dec 3,2013 11:00 am || Up

            Gentry has 3.084 years of service time per Cots. That makes him arby-eligible, right?

            • lenscrafters Dec 3,2013 11:15 am || Up

              I think so but he won’t be paid much.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 10:47 am || Up

          Gentry gets on base, runs well, plays excellent defense, and is cheap. I can see the appeal, as Coco insurance if nothing else.. I like Choice, but this is decent value coming back for an unproven guy.

          • brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:49 am || Up

            • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 10:51 am || Up

              They can have anyone they want from Sacramento. Hell, take the whole roster.

              • DFA Dec 3,2013 11:02 am || Up

                But we gave up Chris Bostick who is actually good.

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 1:19 pm || Up

                  And we’re getting back Josh Lindblom, who the A’s see as more starter insurance I suppose.

          • andeux Dec 3,2013 11:08 am || Up

            I can see the appeal, as Coco insurance or as Reddick platoon-mate. But I also see a 30-year old right-handed platoon player who’s never played full time, which seems to be another type of player that the A’s have targeted before, mostly unsuccessfully.

            TINSTAAFK
            • DFA Dec 3,2013 11:33 am || Up

              I hope they are going to platoon Reddick

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • brian.only Dec 3,2013 11:45 am || Up

                Really hope his wrist isn’t toast.
                He’s planning to start hitting Jan 1st according to Slusser.

  30. brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:45 am

    • lenscrafters Dec 3,2013 10:51 am || Up

      Fire Kubota now!

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 10:53 am || Up

      And yet we still have James Simmons.

      • Soaker Dec 3,2013 10:57 am || Up

        I wonder what Brad Sullivan found to do with his life…

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • andeux Dec 3,2013 11:10 am || Up

        He’s a minor-league free agent now.

        TINSTAAFK
    • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 1:21 pm || Up

      Sad face

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 1:22 pm || Up

        Pretty wild that we moved two of them to our primary division rivals. That’s confidence.

  31. brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:52 am

    So we traded #2 Choice and #8 Bostick for Gentry and Lindblom.

    • lenscrafters Dec 3,2013 10:54 am || Up

      Darn, I’ve always liked Bostick.

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 10:55 am || Up

        I was sad to hear he was in the deal because you were high on him and I trust your judgment.

      • brian.only Dec 3,2013 10:59 am || Up

        Me too, I wonder if Robertson or Nunez gets moved around now.

      • DFA Dec 3,2013 11:03 am || Up

        yeah. that part stings.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 10:57 am || Up

      Does Lindblom suck? I feel like he might suck.

      • brian.only Dec 3,2013 11:03 am || Up

        He has a slider, but yes, his change is only 6-7 miles of his blazing 90mph fastball, has a 69mph curveball, but only the slider rates as plus, meh.

      • colin Dec 3,2013 11:03 am || Up

        He appears to suck. But the Dodgers switched him to relief in 2011 and the Rangers moved him back to being a starter last year. If he could settle in as a back of the rotation starter, that would have some value.

  32. aardvark Dec 3,2013 10:59 am

    Wait, Craig Gentry?!

  33. lenscrafters Dec 3,2013 11:12 am

    Damn, if Billy could bring us Bautista or Encarnacion…

    • brian.only Dec 3,2013 11:15 am || Up

      Let’s trade Brett Wallace and Brandon Allen for Encarnacion!

  34. colin Dec 3,2013 11:13 am

    I now understand all the hate that KLaw gets, because this is terrible:

  35. Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 11:14 am

    Good god.

  36. brian.only Dec 3,2013 11:20 am

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 11:21 am || Up

      Daric Barton DFA!

      • dmoas Dec 3,2013 11:23 am || Up

        I know he’s no longer on our roster, but can we DFA Rosales again?

        • brian.only Dec 3,2013 11:28 am || Up

          I thought for sure he was part of the deal today!

    • dmoas Dec 3,2013 11:22 am || Up

      I thought we were lower than 39.

      • AV Dec 3,2013 11:26 am || Up

        i want to say 38.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • AV Dec 3,2013 11:29 am || Up
          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
          • andeux Dec 3,2013 11:32 am || Up

            Added Abad, Johnson, Gentry, Lindblom, subtracted Weeks, Choice.
            40, not counting Kazmir.

            TINSTAAFK
          • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 11:32 am || Up

            It’s Abad idea to go back that far for your count.

            • AV Dec 3,2013 12:29 pm || Up

              38.

              kalamazoo.

              titicaca.

              and phooey.

              (you can’t stop me from saying what i want to say.)

              *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
              • AV Dec 3,2013 12:57 pm || Up

                actually.

                i think i’m having a crisis of giving a fuck.

                frantically keeping names and numbers in my head that come june will all be moot.

                nah, it’s not the WC coming.

                it’s last year, through and through. maybe the problem with the baseball season lasting so long is that next season comes too quickly.

                and bandwagon’s not the metaphor exactly. maybe, going on a bender after getting jilted…

                i’m still hungover. still looking at virginal home whites all askance ‘n shit. nope, not ready. at least, not to invest time, effort, and money to woo a cute-enough, LTR-minded barmaid i know nothing about who wants me to buy advance drink tickets with convenience fees and start planning a wedding with her. not saying i’m going to be rude to her if she wants to hang out once in a while. but we’re going dutch. and i’ll listen most of the time, but i won’t remember all the names of her childhood friends. and secretly, let’s just say i’m wondering if i’m poly and if she knows any cute NL teams to keep things fun but casual with.

                *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • brian.only Dec 3,2013 1:00 pm || Up

                  #coughnationals

                • AV Dec 3,2013 1:11 pm || Up

                  yeah… she’s cute. but i don’t want to date anyone who gets sudden outbreaks of genital harpers.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • andeux Dec 3,2013 1:37 pm || Up

                  asvd!

                  TINSTAAFK
                • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 1:06 pm || Up

                  I waited last year. then I caved at the last minute.

                  Had a great time building up to the main event. then it turned out the drink she sold me was non alcoholic and so far under the overhang I couldn’t see half the game and people yelled at my wing children to get out of the aisles.

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • AV Dec 3,2013 1:17 pm || Up

                  alimony scam.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • colin Dec 3,2013 1:08 pm || Up

                  I’m just the opposite. Today is making me realize that I had been starved for baseball news.

                • AV Dec 3,2013 1:17 pm || Up

                  blueballed.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • colin Dec 3,2013 1:20 pm || Up

                  I’m assuming that baseball news will return to boring soon, because if it keeps up at this rate Billy will cycle through the entire 40-man roster three or four times by spring training.

                • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 1:21 pm || Up

                  Boring hot stove news? Impossible.

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 3,2013 4:32 pm || Up

                  Bunts with Benefits.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 11:28 am || Up

        I count 38

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 11:29 am || Up

        I count 40 with Gentry and Lindblom replacing Choice.

        • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 11:35 am || Up

          Right, I forgot to add them.

          Taylor, Callaspo, Milone and Werner have to expect to be the next move in some shape

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • grover Dec 3,2013 11:38 am || Up

        39 – Choice. Add Lindblom and Gentry. No Kazmir.

        My guess is one of Werner/Parrino gets designated.

  37. nobody in particular Dec 3,2013 11:58 am

    Christ this is craaaaaaazy town…. what did BB do, trade Weeks for Johnson, hang up with Duquette, go to sleep, wake up and then call Daniels before the coffee was even warm? This is giving me visions of the Ricardo Rincon scene in Moneyball right now.

    Let the Gentrification begin! My goodness, what’s next? I cannot help but get a strong vibe that Wolff — who’s getting old and knows it — may have told BB he has $100M this time and bring me that trophy to wave in Selig’s face before I die. Everyone who thinks he’s gonna turn around and deal Bert #49 for prospects might be surprised in the next few days here… fuck, the next few HOURS. Or minutes. Personally I don’t trade Anderson unless I get another BB in return, from KC.

    Have we arrived at “(Here’s a Little More) Moneyball” territory? Whatever happens this Gentry move adds more quality depth and weakens our principal rival some, so I am into it like a train (Psych Furs reference, can’t start off a Tuesday right without one of those) right now.

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
    • colin Dec 3,2013 12:07 pm || Up

      My estimate above has the 2014 payroll at 91M, including Nakajima. I bet that it comes down closer to 80 though. My preference would be to move Smith and Callaspo in a salary dump for some lottery tickets.

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 12:16 pm || Up

        This sure sounds like a Smith or Callaspo dump is upcoming.

        • brian.only Dec 3,2013 12:23 pm || Up

          Given Lowrie’s injury history it’s gotta be Theth.

          • grover Dec 3,2013 12:31 pm || Up

            Maketh thenth to keep Callathpo for that very reathon.

          • dmoas Dec 3,2013 12:39 pm || Up

            I don’t see them keeping Punto & Callapso.

            • colin Dec 3,2013 12:42 pm || Up

              Punto actually makes a lot of sense to me, because he can play legit SS. I don’t think you can say that about anyone else on the 40-man roster.

          • PDXAthleticsfan Dec 3,2013 1:43 pm || Up

            And, done!

            A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
            • PDXAthleticsfan Dec 3,2013 1:46 pm || Up

              Still gonna need to make room on the roster, so who’s next?

              A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
            • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 1:52 pm || Up

              Really addressing the bullpen. Gregerson is arb-eligible and made $3.2M last year. Although, Firefox does want to correct his name to Regression.

              • DFA Dec 3,2013 2:09 pm || Up

                Where are they getting all this money?

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 2:19 pm || Up

                  Theth for Gregerson is a salary wash, more or less. If we assume Anderson is gone for prospects, that saves $8M, but yeah, I dunno. I guess the A’s are going full win-now mode, and ownership is willing to support it? The thing about the majority of the money the A’s are taking on is that the contracts are short-term.

                • DFA Dec 3,2013 2:23 pm || Up

                  Playoff revenue from last year + new TV money?

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • nobody in particular Dec 3,2013 2:40 pm || Up

                  I think it might be “Lew Wolff knows he’s getting old and wants a trophy to wave in Selig’s face before he croaks” money at this point LOLOL.

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • grover Dec 3,2013 2:40 pm || Up

                  Oakland can expect up to (maybe) $20 million in new TV money. I thought they could get to $80 million without having to break into ownership’s wallet… maybe this is a 1-year ’07 like spending frenzy. Johnson and Gregerson are FAs at the end of the year and with Gentry in the fold its possible Crisp is gone after 2014 as well. Callaspo’s a FA, Punto will be a club option and Jaso can simply be non-tendered if necessary.

                • colin Dec 3,2013 3:04 pm || Up

                  Yeah, nothing is long term right now.

                • grover Dec 3,2013 3:08 pm || Up

                  Everyone’s just dust in the wind.

                • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 2:41 pm || Up

                  new TV money + money they had all along and just weren’t spending

                • dmoas Dec 3,2013 3:05 pm || Up

                  We’ve been under budget for a while and we keep getting more and more from revenue sharing. Plus Wolff has never actually said he wouldn’t raise payroll, just that in general MLB likes to keep payrolls at around 50% of revenue.

                • grover Dec 3,2013 3:07 pm || Up

                  Where do you find info on team (specifically Oakland) revenues?

                • dmoas Dec 3,2013 4:11 pm || Up

                  I don’t have a clue. I’ve just seen numerous quotes from him saying those things. I’m mostly assuming since we’ve been higher that the revenues would continue to support it even if we haven’t hit it. That along with quotes from Beane et al suggesting that have room in the budget, etc.

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 3,2013 4:35 pm || Up

                  I think that Lew thinks he’ll get a San Jose green light within a year, and now (finally) it might be time to invest money for more than a year at a time.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 4:37 pm || Up

                  He’s not really doing that though. Once Anderson’s traded only Yoenis and Kazmir will be under contract for 2015.

                • dmoas Dec 3,2013 4:54 pm || Up

                  I think all of this is more knowing that the well is about to run dry very soon than it has to do with their stadium situation.

                • ozzman99 Dec 3,2013 5:18 pm || Up

                  Or he knows SJ isn’t going to happen and he wants a ring and some goodwill in the community to help his bargaining position in talks with Oakland about a new stadium.

                • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 5:22 pm || Up

                  Or he’s thinking of selling the team, and he has built the perfect roster for that: top-tier contender this now, able to be easily blown up at a moment’s notice.

                • colin Dec 3,2013 6:15 pm || Up

                  This would be my number one conspiracy theory right here.

  38. Future Ed Dec 3,2013 12:11 pm

    so far we have an outfield/DH rotation of Cespedes, Crisp, Reddick, Gentry, Smith, Jaso?

    an infield rotation of Lowrie, sogard/punto/callaspo?

    Catcher rotation of Norris and Jaso?

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  39. Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 12:31 pm

    LOL:

    “Now it’s a question of, does [Cano] want to be a Yankee, or is he just about the money?” a baseball insider said.

    • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 12:41 pm || Up

      i hate people

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 1:29 pm || Up

      Do you want to be a prostitute, or are you just about the sex?

  40. Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 12:38 pm
  41. nobody in particular Dec 3,2013 12:39 pm

    Double B named MLB Exec of the Year, 2nd year in a row.

    Clearly he will celebrate by dealing Brett Anderson for Jose Bautista in the next 7 minutes 37 seconds.

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
  42. WaddellCanseco Dec 3,2013 12:39 pm

    I don’t like this deal, and not just because I didn’t really want Freedom From Choice. Two potential (although improbable) starting players for a good platoon player and a garbage time reliever doesn’t sound good to me.

    • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 12:44 pm || Up

      it does seem odd

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 12:44 pm || Up

      “flags fly forever”

      • WaddellCanseco Dec 3,2013 1:00 pm || Up

        Sure but it’s massively unlikely that Gentry or Lindblom is going to get you flags.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 1:10 pm || Up

          I would posit that it is at least as likely that Gentry is the difference between flag/no flag in 2014 or 2015 as it is that Choice or Bostick ever make a meaningful dent in the majors. The A’s have opted for a marginal, but potentially decisive upgrade right now over the good, but not elite, potential for future production in the future from the prospects. If Choice turns out to be a 3 win player in 2014, then the move was a mistake. Otherwise its a reasonable now-for-then move.

          • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 1:12 pm || Up

            That’s the thing about future production, isn’t it. It happens in the future.

    • lenscrafters Dec 3,2013 2:13 pm || Up

      I don’t agree at all. The A’s got the best player in the deal and while he isn’t someone that’s going to “get you flags”, that seems like an odd standard for success when you’re trading away two players who aren’t going to come close to getting you that type of player or become those themselves.

      • DFA Dec 3,2013 2:21 pm || Up

        You don’t think Bostick could become a first division starter?

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • lenscrafters Dec 3,2013 2:34 pm || Up

          Hard to make any prediction on a guy in A ball but probably not.

          • WaddellCanseco Dec 3,2013 6:42 pm || Up

            I agree that Bostick like most B-/C+ prospects are “probably not” going to have much of an impact in the majors. The paradox is that if you traded all your “probably not” prospects for platoon players with 1-3 productive years left, you’d probably suck. I think there’s almost no way that (Craig Gentry minus Michael Choice)is the difference between a division champ and an also-ran. I’m all for trading prospects for starters if you’re trying to win now, like Jed Lowrie or Hanley Ramirez, but for a 1-2 WAR backup? It doesn’t make sense to me.

            • DFA Dec 3,2013 6:50 pm || Up

              Bostick had sleeper scouting reports last year and a make good year this year. Coupled with a fairly good ARL its enough to overlook strike outs and go with a B- IMO

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • MikeV Dec 3,2013 8:23 pm || Up

              Gentry was 3.4 WAR last year and 2.8 WAR in 2012.

              That’s a pretty fucking good backup.

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

            • lenscrafters Dec 3,2013 8:30 pm || Up

              Then it’s a good thing the A’s aren’t trading *all* of their “probably not” prospects for platoon guys.

              Calling Gentry a 1-2 WAR backup seems to be on the pretty low end of his bell curve.

              • WaddellCanseco Dec 3,2013 10:49 pm || Up

                I think it’s tough to get more WAR than that in only 350 PA

                • colin Dec 4,2013 7:08 am || Up

                  Over the past three years, Gentry has 7.8 WAR in 709 PA. So that’s 3.85 WAR per 350 PA. Even if you include his cups of coffee from 2009 and 2010, then he is averaging 3.4 WAR per 350 PA over his entire major league career.

              • WaddellCanseco Dec 3,2013 10:52 pm || Up

                I was just responding to your logic that the deal made sense because Gentry is more likely to be a positive contributor (albeit a small one) than Bostick or Choice. You could justify all prospect for bench player or relief pitcher deals that way, and I’m just saying it’s not a good practice.

                • Englishmajor Dec 3,2013 11:16 pm || Up

                  I keep seeing Bostick and thinking Bostock — it’s the mid-70’s Twins fan flashbacks.

                • AV Dec 3,2013 11:34 pm || Up

                  bostitch for me. i’m a big fan of staplers.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • oblique Dec 3,2013 11:44 pm || Up

                  Bisquick for me. I kinda feel like pancakes.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 4,2013 9:26 am || Up

                  Bismarck for me. I’ve been thinking of Prussia.

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 4,2013 10:10 am || Up

                  Bostwick for me. Ass-hole!

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • Future Ed Dec 4,2013 10:52 am || Up

                  tell me tell me tell me

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 4,2013 11:05 am || Up

                  This subthread has led to me watching Biz Markie videos on YouTube.

                • AV Dec 4,2013 12:06 pm || Up

                  [wishes it was spring again] brrrr.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • andeux Dec 4,2013 9:40 am || Up

                  TINSTAAFK
                • AV Dec 4,2013 10:00 am || Up

                  please. obvious swingline.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • Future Ed Dec 4,2013 6:14 am || Up

                  don’t trade him to the white sox

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Glorious Mundy Dec 4,2013 9:55 am || Up

                  OK, but that doesn’t add much to the analysis of this particular trade, in this particular context. I also think it’s probably incorrect to categorize Gentry as a “bench player” on this roster. He probably won’t start opening night, but he’s going to play a lot given the fragility of the other outfielders’ bodies and Reddick’s iffy bat.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 4,2013 10:50 am || Up

                  I would imagine a lot of entering games late and starts against lefties.

                • lenscrafters Dec 4,2013 11:01 am || Up

                  Clearly we differ in our perception of Gentry. I don’t think he can be dismissed as a typical “bench player” given his track record of producing a large amount of value in a small amount of PAs. YMMV

                • WaddellCanseco Dec 4,2013 11:05 am || Up

                  OK, then if he’s really going to produce 2-3 WAR in 350 PA, should he play full time? Make Cespedes the DH/backup OF?

  43. Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 12:49 pm

    Ugh, Rangers fans.

    • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 1:03 pm || Up

      heh. Idiots

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • nobody in particular Dec 3,2013 2:47 pm || Up

        So racist that when they wake up in the morning White Sheet and Hood stock goes up 50%.

        Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
        • WaddellCanseco Dec 3,2013 6:45 pm || Up

          I guess they didn’t learn anything from the NL getting Mays, Aaron, Robinson, Clemente, Marichal, McCovey, Gibson, et. al. while the AL was playing people no one ever heard of again. The stupidity of racism is that it leads to being a loser.

        • WaddellCanseco Dec 3,2013 6:46 pm || Up

          In fact I now want to trade Craig Gentry and Brett Anderson to them for Adrian Beltre and Yu Darvish. Both sides would be happy.

    • AV Dec 4,2013 10:27 am || Up

      meanwhile, sophisticates clustered around harvard have trouble spelling tradee.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • Glorious Mundy Dec 4,2013 10:35 am || Up
        • colin Dec 4,2013 11:05 am || Up

          The profs for the class I am TA’ing sent that article around yesterday and we were feeling kind of smug until we actually looked at the homework grades we have handed out so far. Gotta get tough on the final project, I guess!

          • andeux Dec 4,2013 11:19 am || Up

            The worst grade (by far) I got in college was (IIRC) a C- in a particle physics course that a physics major friend talked me into taking with him. I had the listed prerequisites, but I was just totally lost.
            In math, lower division courses that I took or TA’d typically had a pretty normal curve (usually centered around B-/C+), but I took some upper division courses where everyone got an A, and I don’t really think there is anything wrong with that.

            TINSTAAFK
            • PDXAthleticsfan Dec 4,2013 11:23 am || Up

              I suspect that “A” is the most common grade at just about every school (and I agree that there’s nothing inherently wrong with that if everyone meets/exceeds the objectives of the class); having an A- as the median grade is more disturbing.

              A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
  44. brian.only Dec 3,2013 1:01 pm

    Aw crap now there are rumors the Mariners are in on Cano, really don’t want that guy in the west.

  45. Cretgren Dec 3,2013 1:42 pm

    And now we traded Theth for Gregerson…

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 1:47 pm || Up

      Well that doesn’t change the 40-man situation, nor does it get much salary relief. Gregerson’s pretty good though.

      • PDXAthleticsfan Dec 3,2013 1:56 pm || Up

        Anderson rumors are pretty crazy, right now with Yankees, Jays, Twins, Mariners, and Indians being thrown around. I don’t put full stock in such things, but even if BB can start a bidding war among two or three teams to get some good minor leaguers, that makes me more comfortable in giving up Choice.

        A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
  46. Future Ed Dec 3,2013 1:51 pm

    Finally got Mccullum out. Windies need to pick up the pace. (pun intended)

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  47. Future Ed Dec 3,2013 1:53 pm

    So, can Moss be the Smith and Barton be the frieman?

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • colin Dec 3,2013 1:57 pm || Up

      It does seem like a boost for Barton. Alternately, Reddick could be the Smith, platooned with Gentry.

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 2:09 pm || Up

        Gentry will probably platoon some with Reddick, but I’m also expecting him to play a lot when Cespedes and Crisp are given DH days.

  48. Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2013 1:56 pm

  49. MikeV Dec 3,2013 1:57 pm

    OK, so right this very second:

    C1 – Jaso
    1B – Barton
    2B – Sogard
    3B – Donaldson
    SS – Lowrie
    LF – Sexyfeet
    CF – Coco
    RF – Reddick
    DH – Moss

    BN – Gentry, Punto, Callaspo, Vogt(?)

    That’s 14 position players leaving an 11 man staff

    SP – Gray, Parker, Kazmir, Straily, Griffin
    RP – Johnson, Doolittle, Cook, Gregerson, Lindblom, Blevins, Milone?

    Why does it feel like I’m forgetting a name?

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • MikeV Dec 3,2013 1:58 pm || Up

      Wait, Norris instead of Vogt and Otero instead of Milone?

      Anderson has gotta be trade bait at this point

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 2:01 pm || Up

        Doo, Cook, JJ, Gregerson, Otero, Blevs, Chavez for the pen?

      • colin Dec 3,2013 2:01 pm || Up

        It’s hopelessly optimistic, but I don’t want to sell low on Anderson. If he is ever healthy, he is a better pitcher than Parker, Straily, Griffin, Milone, and perhaps Kazmir.

      • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 2:04 pm || Up

        I’m still assuming Callaspo is a goner. I would expect him to be replaced by a righty DH type to platoon with Moss — either Freiman or somebody picked up off the scrap heap.

    • PDXAthleticsfan Dec 3,2013 1:59 pm || Up

      You have Abad memory.

      A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
      • colin Dec 3,2013 2:02 pm || Up

        He can be Agood in Sacramento.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 2:07 pm || Up

          Does he have options left? He’s spent a lot of time in the minors over the last four years.

          • MikeV Dec 3,2013 2:08 pm || Up

            No, he doesn’t. That’s why Washington had to DFA him.

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

      • MikeV Dec 3,2013 2:05 pm || Up

        Shit thats right.

        There is no way Beane is done dealing. Too many guys for the bullpen

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

    • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 1:59 pm || Up

      Norris

    • Cretgren Dec 3,2013 2:01 pm || Up

      Norris? Otero?

  50. nobody in particular Dec 3,2013 2:04 pm

    Come on Billy Beane, MAKE SOME DEALS ALREADY!!!!

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
  51. MikeV Dec 3,2013 2:09 pm

    Jesus… Gentry has been a 3 WAR bench player each of the last 2 seasons??

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • colin Dec 3,2013 2:11 pm || Up

      From Cameron’s summary of the trade:

      He’s attempted a steal on 66 of those 317 chances, or 21% of the time he’s had the chance to run, and has been successful on 56 of those 66 attempts, an 85% success rate. For reference, those rates are virtually equal to what Jacoby Ellsbury has posted in his career. As a baserunner, Gentry has roughly been Ellsbury’s equal, even despite losing any element of surprise after being inserted as a pinch runner.

      • andeux Dec 3,2013 2:17 pm || Up

        Especially impressive since as a platoon player a lot of those chances are with lefties on the mound.
        26/32 vs RHP, 30/34 vs LHP for his career.

        TINSTAAFK
        • andeux Dec 3,2013 2:22 pm || Up

          For comparison, Ellsbury is 180/208 (87%) vs. RHP, 61/79 (77%) vs. LHP.
          Crisp is similar, 210/252 (83%) vs. RHP, 68/95 (72%) vs. RHP.

          TINSTAAFK
  52. lenscrafters Dec 3,2013 2:18 pm

    I’ll miss Theth. He was an overlooked, underappreciated player who got the job done and had some big hits for us. Well, until this year, when he started not getting the job done.

    • nobody in particular Dec 3,2013 2:37 pm || Up

      Theth thort of thucked this seathon, yeth.

      Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
  53. danmerqury Dec 3,2013 3:44 pm

    What the thunderfucking christ, you guys.

    • Englishmajor Dec 3,2013 3:57 pm || Up

      So now we know what it takes to get you to show up.

      • danmerqury Dec 3,2013 4:16 pm || Up

        Heh. It’s that simple!

        Seriously, though, it’s been a while. How are you guys?

    • nobody in particular Dec 3,2013 4:19 pm || Up

      Just wait… for the CNN announcement later tonight that Beane has kidnapped Selig and is holding him in an undisclosed location until a shovel is in the ground somewhere. And next week, when the price for Anderson is driven so sky high that the Marlins trade us Stanton, Morrison, Roberto Clemente (who is dead 41 years but can still hit the breaking ball better than Cespedes) and all the bagels in Dade County for him :P

      Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
      • DFA Dec 3,2013 5:38 pm || Up

        Do we even want dade county’s bagles?

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • nobody in particular Dec 3,2013 10:46 pm || Up

            I dunno, there’s a LOTTA Jews in Dade County and the bagels are awfully yummy….

            Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
            • doctorK Dec 4,2013 8:09 am || Up

            • PDXAthleticsfan Dec 4,2013 9:31 am || Up

              Yerp. Every time I visited my grandparents in beautiful Margate, stuffing my mouth with doughy goodness was my number one way of not addressing the Yentas who tried to set me up with their granddaughters.

              A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
              • colin Dec 4,2013 10:03 am || Up

                It’s a bit on the long side, but I think “stuffing my mouth with doughy goodness was my number one way of not addressing the Yentas who tried to set me up with their granddaughters” is tagline material.

                • Future Ed Dec 4,2013 10:57 am || Up

                  yup

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • nobody in particular Dec 4,2013 12:21 pm || Up

                  I third this motion :P

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 4,2013 12:29 pm || Up

                  Done.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  54. DFA Dec 3,2013 4:05 pm

    Astros get Fowler for Lyles and Barnes…. Interesting

    In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  55. bear88 Dec 3,2013 5:49 pm

    Dan usually only shows up for Justified recaps.

  56. Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2013 5:53 pm

    Damn, that’s a lot.

    • colin Dec 3,2013 6:18 pm || Up

      So much for those theories that the Yankees would try to get under the luxury tax threshold.

    • Future Ed Dec 3,2013 6:20 pm || Up

      he went full damon!

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • WaddellCanseco Dec 3,2013 6:47 pm || Up

      Whoa. A lot of money but they’re getting a great player…..who is only sometimes healthy.

      • DFA Dec 3,2013 6:53 pm || Up

        It seems totally reasonable in this market. Sign FA hitters and just draft a million pitchers.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • Bed Dec 3,2013 10:32 pm || Up

      He’ll be great for those 4 years out of 7 that he actually plays.

      But seriously, folks...
    • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 4,2013 9:29 am || Up

      Huh, I wonder if that means no Cano, or if the Yankees are just going to drop all fiscal responsibility pretenses.

  57. andeux Dec 4,2013 9:45 am
    TINSTAAFK
    • brian.only Dec 4,2013 10:02 am || Up

      Gawd that’s terrifying…

    • AV Dec 4,2013 10:03 am || Up

      i woulda thought it was “i love you.”

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • Glorious Mundy Dec 4,2013 10:06 am || Up

      Seth Smith’s new congressman probably thinks that’s just practical. What’s the point of nukes if you aren’t going to detonate them, right?

      • WaddellCanseco Dec 4,2013 11:01 am || Up

        Meh…my congressman was Todd Akin. I think I voted for him once just because he shook my hand. I’m not a good voter.

    • elcroata Dec 4,2013 10:43 am || Up

      Yet my Sky Box (cable TV) want let me use a 4-digit code with the single digit repeated four times.

      Because survival is insufficient
    • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 4,2013 10:54 am || Up

      A good rule of thumb is that if you could pass out on the keyboard and accidentally enter the code, it’s a bad code.

  58. andeux Dec 4,2013 11:03 am

    Anyone else see this regarding a potential Anderson trade:

    Anderson was discussed in the Gentry deal and Toronto agreed in principle to a swap for Brett, yet backed out due to concerns of a screw that will have to be installed in his ankle. So Beane is still actively shopping the lefty, however if there are notable questions that arise in regards to his durability, then the return will be more modest than previously thought.

    I don’t know if this guy has real sources, and couldn’t find anything else that specific on the web, so who knows if that’s true. Seems plausible though.

    TINSTAAFK
    • WaddellCanseco Dec 4,2013 11:06 am || Up

      Beane should have offered to pay for the screw

  59. Glorious Mundy Dec 4,2013 11:04 am

    “If” there are notable questions that arise in regards to his durability? IF???

    • ptbnl Dec 4,2013 11:23 am || Up

      If only Steve Phillips were still a GM.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  60. DFA Dec 4,2013 1:23 pm

    i have the flu an billy isn’t trading anyone today :(

    In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • grover Dec 4,2013 2:18 pm || Up

      Rosenthal reports that AZ and Oakland discussed Cespedes for Skaggs+Pollock and more. Doesn’t say which side backed off first.

      • WaddellCanseco Dec 4,2013 2:22 pm || Up

        He made it sound like neither team was comfortable with it, meaning that the team that proposed it also nixed it.

        • nobody in particular Dec 4,2013 2:42 pm || Up

          There needs to be an All-Uncoachable Asshole team in the MLB. Base them in Erie, PA and call ’em the Erie Egos:

          Starlin Castro, SS
          Hanley Ramirez, 3B
          Yasiel Puig, RF
          Yoenis Cespedes, LF
          Matt Kemp, CF
          BJ Upton, DH
          A.J. Pierzynski, C
          Jemile Weeks, 2B
          Daric Barton, 1B

          Carlos Zambrano, P

          What is sad is that is a pretty decent team, dammit.

          Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
          • Glorious Mundy Dec 4,2013 2:45 pm || Up

            I only see two real assholes on that list. Jury’s still out on Puig I guess.

          • ptbnl Dec 4,2013 3:42 pm || Up

            Jeter needs to be in there just because.

            If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
          • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 4,2013 4:27 pm || Up

            Ed Crosby wants to know why you’re waging a vendetta against his son.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  61. nobody in particular Dec 4,2013 2:19 pm


    Well the Pharisees all are frightful
    the Fox talking points all are spiteful
    there’s only one way to go (you know)
    overthrow, overthrow, overthrow!

    Consumer slaves all out shopping
    and their credit card debt is popping
    We’re putting a stop to the show
    overthrow, overthrow, overthrow!

    Commodity makes rage and blight
    a system always true to form
    add delusion, Religious Right
    get those pitchfork torches warm

    The Empire is slowly dying
    and the workers are sad and crying
    too large the corporate profits grow
    overthrow, overthrow, overthrow!

    Yes the bankers will loot the planet
    while the people just say “Goddammit!”
    what must happen, you know you know
    overthrow, overthrow, overthrow!

    Starving folks with budgets tight
    media sounds no alarm
    propaganda taking flight
    grandpa, he just bought the farm

    Yes the slavery tastes like freedom
    and you’ll join ’em if you can’t beat ’em
    Who’s the pimp and who’s the ho?
    overthrow
    overthrow
    overthrow!

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 4,2013 4:25 pm || Up

      Nice. On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me, an Ode Revolutionary.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • nobody in particular Dec 4,2013 4:58 pm || Up

        Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
        • Bed Dec 4,2013 5:01 pm || Up

          I would kill for a toaster that toasts an English Muffin properly…I’ve killed for less.

          But seriously, folks...

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