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Day Off Thread for All 194

Last off day of the regular season. Be kind to each other. Lounge it up.

194 thoughts on “Day Off Thread for All

  1. Jennifer Sep 25,2013 8:46 pm

    I broke my Beats and lost my stylus for my phone. Rough day yesterday.

  2. Jennifer Sep 25,2013 8:52 pm

    Today I put Canola oil on a patient.

  3. Jennifer Sep 25,2013 8:57 pm

    I’m too tired to use this thread now. For aomw reason I thought picking a shift up tomorrow was a good idea.

  4. Jennifer Sep 25,2013 9:01 pm

    Anyone watch any good new shows this week?

    • nevermoor Sep 25,2013 11:26 pm || Up

      Brooklyn 99 was a good pilot but less good second episode. I liked the new DC-based show too.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • colin Sep 26,2013 6:38 am || Up

        I’ve been watching it. It might work if some of the non-Sandberg characters start to be funny, but that isn’t happening yet.

        • nevermoor Sep 26,2013 11:36 am || Up

          I think the new boss is pretty funny, and the sergeant had some good moments, but a lot of the other characters need work.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • Jennifer Sep 26,2013 11:38 am || Up

            I’ve watched both episodes and haven’t laughed very much. I’m sticking with it for a while longer.

      • Jennifer Sep 26,2013 7:59 am || Up

        DC show?

        • nevermoor Sep 26,2013 11:35 am || Up

          Blacklist

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • Jennifer Sep 26,2013 11:37 am || Up

            Oh yeah. My dad is in love with that show already.

          • Jennifer Sep 26,2013 11:40 am || Up

            I can’t stop staring at the main lady’s hair.

  5. AV Sep 25,2013 9:04 pm

    along the lines of this post:

    and related: the cuban sandwich with a side of home-made pepper dippin’ sauce and some maduros in garlic at the westside coffee shop (church street just at canal) is still so FK’n good after 15 years. everything is so slick and trendy (there’s a whole foods at bowery and houston, just to start), i didn’t feel like i was truly back in my version of NY till i ate there today.

    *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 25,2013 9:05 pm || Up

      That sounds delicious, I want one of those right now.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • AV Sep 25,2013 9:15 pm || Up

        me too! and tomorrow too. for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and that meal between breakfast and brunch.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  6. FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 25,2013 9:09 pm

    Nice day for an off day. It will be fun to see what mix of sharpness-keeping and resting Melvin uses with the roster the last three games, given the four off days before ALCS Game 1.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Jennifer Sep 25,2013 9:13 pm || Up

      I honestly couldn’t tell you when the playoffs started, deary.

      • AV Sep 25,2013 9:16 pm || Up

        (hint: they haven’t started yet.)

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  7. FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 25,2013 9:11 pm

    Did folks see Carlos Gomez versus Atlanta today? Man, that was crazy!

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Glorious Mundy Sep 25,2013 9:14 pm || Up

      Wow. I guess they didn’t like his bat flip? Did he ever touch home?

      • Jennifer Sep 25,2013 9:20 pm || Up

        What a little bitch.

        • Glorious Mundy Sep 25,2013 9:23 pm || Up

          Brian McCann kind of needs to chill the FK out too.

          • Jennifer Sep 25,2013 9:25 pm || Up

            Same with the Braves guy who comes running in from the left. Asshats.

            • FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 25,2013 9:35 pm || Up

              Gomez was out of line to be sure, but the Braves reaction was not at all what a poised team cruising into postseason should look like. They just scream early playoff flameout to me this year; I almost want to bet on it.

              "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • Future Ed Sep 26,2013 12:38 pm || Up

            and freeman

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 25,2013 9:33 pm || Up

        No, never did touch home. Apparently it goes back to Gomez getting hit by the same Braves pitcher back in June.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • sslinger Sep 25,2013 9:39 pm || Up

          Just watched a whole history of CarGo and Maholm – he owns him (something like 9-20 with a bunch of homers) but has been hit by pitch a couple times in the last few meetings. Including once when he tried to take out the 2nd baseman on a grounder and got hurt doing so, which apparently added fuel to the fire. So he was glaring at Maholm from the first pitch on, and once again crushed him.

  8. Jennifer Sep 25,2013 9:15 pm

    Today is my four year workiversary. I was fired from my old job the very next day!

  9. Glorious Mundy Sep 25,2013 9:28 pm

    My ALDS tickets have arrived!

  10. Jennifer Sep 25,2013 9:29 pm

    • FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 25,2013 9:37 pm || Up

      That’s quite an ensemble. Bonus points for quality costumes, minus points for lack of thematic consistency. All in all, though, a good effort.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  11. Jennifer Sep 25,2013 9:37 pm

    Who wants to rock me to sleep and read me a story?

  12. Jennifer Sep 25,2013 9:41 pm

    Jennifer Fact #32: My avatar says “peace out, Trout” in the corner but it’s cut off.

  13. Soaker Sep 25,2013 9:48 pm

    Snow!!! Wooooooo!!!

    What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  14. Englishmajor Sep 25,2013 10:04 pm

    Ooh, the Tigers’ shirts do say WE OWN THE CENTRAL. Ugly too.

    • Dial C for Concupiscence Sep 26,2013 2:30 pm || Up

      Ew. Have fun wearing that Tigers

  15. ptbnl Sep 26,2013 9:16 am

    Want to lose 3 teeth and get booked? Then the head-first sliding tackle is for you.

    If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • AV Sep 26,2013 1:31 pm || Up

      the xeneizes always play better in la boca.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  16. batgirl Sep 26,2013 9:45 am

    Shelter fundraiser today. Can’t wait til it’s oooooooovvvvveeeeerrrrrr!!!!!!

    Also my fave boy Frankie went to a foster home and I think they want to adopt him forevers!!

  17. Jennifer Sep 26,2013 6:12 pm

    I want the Rangers out of thw playoffs. The LAA are currently rocking my world.

    • Englishmajor Sep 26,2013 8:31 pm || Up

      Until that.

      • Englishmajor Sep 26,2013 8:34 pm || Up

        And while ordinarily I’d say Go Twins for scoring four runs in the bottom of the ninth against Cleveland….

        • Soaker Sep 26,2013 8:39 pm || Up

          An impressive tease, but just a tease nonetheless.

          What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
          • Englishmajor Sep 26,2013 8:41 pm || Up

            Yup. And certainly I would like for this to go on until the last day, so the Rangers fans can experience maximum anguish again.

  18. Dial C for Concupiscence Sep 26,2013 8:31 pm

    Where are all the people (party and otherwise) at?

    • Englishmajor Sep 26,2013 8:32 pm || Up

      Work.

    • AV Sep 26,2013 11:34 pm || Up

      going places on the D train.

      (arriving at temporary home from 2 train, to tell the unmusical truth.)

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  19. doctorK Sep 26,2013 8:57 pm

    1. The Niners looked much better tonight.
    2. The Rams are really, really horrible.

    • nevermoor Sep 26,2013 9:34 pm || Up

      Yeah. I have no idea whether that means we are getting on track, or that the Rams just can’t stop the run to save their lives.

      Kaep still didn’t look very good though. Also, Staley had better be OK. Otherwise we are effed.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • doctorK Sep 26,2013 9:40 pm || Up

        I think Staley will be alright. He was at least to walk off the field, and they have 10 days before the next game.

      • ozzman99 Sep 27,2013 12:43 pm || Up

        I think the Rams are just that bad. On the other hand, getting Manningham and Crabtree back could make the Niners really interesting.

        • MikeV Sep 27,2013 1:18 pm || Up

          Division game, etc.

          But honestly, look at the inactives that the Niners had:

          Willis
          Crabtree
          Manningham
          Nnamdi
          Aldon

          You can’t tell me that a team missing it’s top 2 WRs, best LB, best pass rusher, and 3rd/nickel cornerback isn’t going to struggle. I know the Rams suck and stuff, and it’s not like the Niners are all of a sudden back and dominant, but right now they can basically be shut down 100% when a team can blanket Boldin and stack the box.

          Also, the 2012 draft is complete shit. :(

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

          • nevermoor Sep 27,2013 5:05 pm || Up

            Agreed. 2012 was a massive fail unless LMJ really takes off.

            And we got crushed by the colts with Nnamdi, Aldon, and Willis so I’m thinking our current upside is lower-division playoffs. That changes a lot if Crabtree/Manningham come back healthy and we don’t have more big injuries.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  20. Englishmajor Sep 26,2013 11:41 pm
  21. andeux Sep 27,2013 9:59 am

    Reminder: ALCS tix on sale momentarily

    TINSTAAFK
    • Jennifer Sep 27,2013 10:05 am || Up

      So who is getting me tickets and letting me go with them? :)

    • Dial C for Concupiscence Sep 27,2013 10:29 am || Up

      World Series tickets registration starting on Monday morning too

      • andeux Sep 27,2013 11:00 am || Up

        Are they doing a lottery?

        TINSTAAFK
        • Dial C for Concupiscence Sep 27,2013 12:07 pm || Up

          Looks like they’re doing something along those lines. “Register for the opportunity to purchase tickets”

  22. nobody in particular Sep 27,2013 12:57 pm


    Boy, I wish JR could hit lefties as well as he can photobomb.

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
    • Englishmajor Sep 27,2013 2:38 pm || Up

      Billy appears to be auditioning for the remake of “Space: 1999”.

      • nobody in particular Sep 27,2013 4:10 pm || Up

        {{{obligatory Martin Landau reference}}}

        I’m a “UFO” guy myself. Do you know that show?

        Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
  23. Glorious Mundy Sep 27,2013 2:41 pm
    • MikeV Sep 27,2013 2:44 pm || Up

      That’s actually really interesting. I didn’t know that AAV was used to calculate being hit for the luxury tax.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

    • Dial C for Concupiscence Sep 27,2013 2:51 pm || Up

      Vernon Wells (to the Yankees): $18.6M, $18.6M

      Never forget

  24. whimsical witch Sep 27,2013 6:01 pm

    ummm…can someone please remind me how to make a new post? i want to invite you to the annual halloween party. thx!

  25. the llama Sep 27,2013 9:18 pm

    Lightsaber molecule.

    My friend is in that research group, and I told her how disappointed I was that she wasn’t on the author list for the paper. She tells me that the research group leader has never even seen Star Wars.

  26. Jennifer Sep 28,2013 6:11 pm

    I tried watching SHIELD but couldn’t get into it.

    • Kay Sep 28,2013 8:07 pm || Up

      I tried watching (insert series here) but couldn’t get into it.

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • colin Sep 29,2013 1:21 pm || Up

      I have it on my dvr and was thinking of giving it a go later today, if I end up with any free time.

  27. Jennifer Sep 28,2013 8:11 pm

    I want to ask you guys for recommendations for booka to read, but you guys are way smarter than me. But I’m going to ask anyway. Good books?

    • Kay Sep 29,2013 6:51 am || Up

      I’m reading a pretty good book right now, but you’re probably not into postapocalyptic lesbian biker erotica.

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
      • Jennifer Sep 29,2013 7:56 am || Up

        I’m pretty open. I like all different kinds of books, music, etc.

    • colin Sep 29,2013 1:28 pm || Up

      Anything by Junot Diaz. His most recent is a book of short stories called This Is How You Lose Her.
      I thought the new Michael Chabon (Telegraph Avenue) was good and we had some discussion about it here a while back.
      On the sci-fi/fantasy end of thing, I read “Alif the Unseen” by G. Willow Wilson earlier this year and it was a cool modern take on some Arabian nights type of stuff.
      Everything by Philip K. Dick.

      • DFA Sep 30,2013 5:48 pm || Up

        I just bought a Diaz book

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • colin Sep 30,2013 6:23 pm || Up

          Which one? I haven’t read Drown, but Oscar Wao and TIHYLH are both great.

          • DFA Oct 1,2013 11:40 am || Up

            its the new one. The GF is a voracious reader and promptly stole it while I try to find time to finish my Carlos Fuentes book

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • harensheir15 Oct 1,2013 11:58 pm || Up

        Resounding agreement on Philip K Dick.

        Jennifer, you might like Will Self’s Umbrella.

  28. Jennifer Sep 28,2013 8:36 pm

    And I think I want a Kindle.

  29. AV Sep 28,2013 10:09 pm

    to new york, to new york, to eat like a pig;
    home again, home again, dancing a jig.

    *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • whimsical witch Sep 28,2013 10:10 pm || Up

      i was worried that you wouldn’t come back.

      • AV Sep 28,2013 10:16 pm || Up

        nah. NYC is only fun when you don’t have to work. and we all have to work.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • whimsical witch Sep 28,2013 10:17 pm || Up

          don’t i know it. glad you are are home.

          • AV Sep 28,2013 10:18 pm || Up

            me too.

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • AV Sep 28,2013 10:18 pm || Up

          i mean, we spent $500 in two days JUST EATING.

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
          • whimsical witch Sep 28,2013 10:22 pm || Up

            yumz. as it should be!

          • sslinger Sep 29,2013 12:56 am || Up

            My happy place!

            • AV Sep 29,2013 8:38 am || Up

              which one, balthazar or blue hill?

              *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
              • AV Sep 29,2013 8:58 am || Up

                i’m guessing balthazar. more iconic. we had a 3:30 lunch there, got a corner booth, tourist-watched over big steaks and foncy cocktails, felt so decadent.

                a few tables over was the picture of lawn-guy-land classy. a trio of kardashian wannabes, one guy, two gals. he in the middle with arms over both of them, they in acid washed tight skirts, collagen butts, and ridiculous platform pumps. fruit de mer and chocotinis.

                *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • sslinger Sep 29,2013 12:05 pm || Up

                  Balthazar for sure. I love that mid-afternoon time there, get a glass of wine and some raw bar stuff for a break between whatever in the day. Just a perfect place.

          • Englishmajor Sep 29,2013 1:38 am || Up

            Looks delicious. I was amused at the bottom of the menu to see “Please refrain from smoking”.

            • AV Sep 29,2013 8:59 am || Up

              i can’t believe they said please!!

              *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  30. Kay Sep 29,2013 8:27 am

    Folsom Street Fair! Yay!

    I’m going to be wearing my pink #11 A’s jersey, matching leggings, and a leather dog hood with muzzle.

    \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • batgirl Sep 29,2013 12:08 pm || Up

      Best. Sportsblog. Ever.

    • Kay Sep 29,2013 10:08 pm || Up

      So I was in dog mode, and surprisingly, I saw a guy in a Tigers’ jersey. I growled and barked and pulled on my chain and tried to drag my handler towards him. I then lifted my leg as if to urinate on him. I don’t think he understood why I singled him out for this treatment, and he definitely didn’t respond when I broke character and said “A’s in four” to him as he passed.

      I then turned and noticed he was wearing a #58 jersey with the name “Fister” on the back.

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
      • AV Sep 29,2013 10:50 pm || Up

        I HARDLY KNOW…

        oh wait. anonymity is part of the point at folsom st, huh?

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • Kay Sep 30,2013 7:59 am || Up

          Not really, with all the cameras and film crews and tourists with their phones permanently stuck in front of their faces.

          \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
          • DFA Sep 30,2013 5:51 pm || Up

            and tourists

            Says the out of towner

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • Englishmajor Sep 30,2013 5:54 pm || Up

              Yes, but not all travellers are tourists.

              • ptbnl Sep 30,2013 9:19 pm || Up

                And all participants are not spectators.

                If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • AV Sep 30,2013 9:23 pm || Up

                  all looks are not a like; all holes are not a crack.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • AV Sep 30,2013 9:26 pm || Up

                  *alike.

                  (though in the FB subthread it still makes sense the other way.)

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • doctorK Oct 1,2013 8:30 am || Up

                  And all that is gold does not glitter.

                • batgirl Oct 1,2013 5:04 pm || Up

                  Nothing gold can stay, Ponyboy.

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Oct 1,2013 7:22 pm || Up

                  Paul Newman and a ride home.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
              • DFA Oct 1,2013 12:00 pm || Up

                No, someone who travels from outside the metro area to the city only for a festival is the definition of a tourist, just like people that come to pride.

                American Heritage Dictionary
                tour·ist (trst)
                n.
                One who travels for pleasure.

                OED

                noun
                1a person who is traveling or visiting a place for pleasure:

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • dmoas Oct 1,2013 12:11 pm || Up

                  I think she meant like someone who travels for business wouldn’t be a tourist. Since it’s not pleasure travel. Or someone who travels just to travel, not so much pleasure, but the need to keep moving.

                • ptbnl Oct 1,2013 12:21 pm || Up

                  I took it as distinguishing from tourists people who travel to take part in (as opposed to be spectator of) an event – especially when that event is in part a celebration of community by a marginalized group.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • dmoas Oct 1,2013 3:02 pm || Up

                  Yabbut that distinction isn’t dictionarially made.

                • DFA Oct 1,2013 3:29 pm || Up

                  Its not made by Nina either. Shes arguing that travelers aren’t tourists.

                  I would argue that even encompassing the tourist to the scene definition, that doesn’t mean that someone that is in scene but not from the area and there specifically for the festival, wouldn’t prevent them from being a tourist. The cultural definition doesn’t necessarily usurp the other, rather that it augments it to add new ways to become a tourist.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Glorious Mundy Oct 1,2013 3:37 pm || Up

                  She’s not arguing that at all. She quite explicitly says that “not all travelers are tourists.” I.e., there is a subset of travelers who are tourists, and a subset who are not. You can say this is wrong based on a dictionary definition of “tourist,” but she is alluding to a nuanced distinction that lots of people who travel with an intent to experience cultures rather than gawk at them make, because of the pejorative connotations attached to the word tourist.

                • DFA Oct 1,2013 4:24 pm || Up

                  I excluded an all there. Which is true.

                  I agree that there is more and less gawky versions of tourism. But you can not experience a culture that is not your identity without being an outsider and a tourist. For example I cannot go to Mexico and observe with an ability to exit in the same way that someone who doesn’t have the ability to exit has. Just as someone who is not a San Franciscan can’t go to an event like FSF without changing it.

                  Basically my point is that while Kay might dislike “tourists” many would say that she is one, even with ties to the community which I do not question, because just like someone who is not a part of the community, those who who are, don’t particularly like a bunch of out of towners driving in for the event.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Glorious Mundy Oct 1,2013 4:45 pm || Up

                  Jarvis Cocker put it best:

                  Like a dog lying in a corner
                  They will bite you and never warn you, look out.
                  They’ll tear your insides out.

                  ‘Cause everybody hates a tourist,
                  especially one who thinks it’s all such a laugh.
                  Yeah, and the chip stains and grease will come out in the bath.

                • DFA Oct 1,2013 4:48 pm || Up

                  for a while people were saying that I look like him a lot.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Glorious Mundy Oct 1,2013 4:51 pm || Up

                  That’s quite the compliment.

                • batgirl Oct 1,2013 5:07 pm || Up

                  I’d agree with that, I think.

                • James V. Oct 1,2013 5:07 pm || Up

                  I say if you go there to “perform” in some way you’re not a tourist. If you just go to see all the freaks, you’re a tourist.

                • DFA Oct 1,2013 5:44 pm || Up

                  What if you live on that street and you go to see the live music?

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • James V. Oct 1,2013 9:02 pm || Up

                  If you go by the literal definition of “travel” then you may be a tourist if that’s how you want to argue it.

                • AV Oct 1,2013 12:29 pm || Up

                  ah, but in the construct of cultural context, place isn’t always a location. in this case, one could say that the place is something called kink and that kay is a years-long, full-time dweller, while even SFers who live a few blocks away physically, are outsiders gawkingly touring through her cultural hood once a year in a state of in-situ othering, taking pics to show back in their cultural place what they saw on those hours of vacation.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • dmoas Oct 1,2013 3:01 pm || Up

                  Mind. Blown.

                • DFA Oct 1,2013 3:31 pm || Up

                  While you make a fine point I think at the end of the day it is insufficient. Merely belonging to a community is not enough to absolve you of being a tourist. When I go to dodgers stadium for example, I am apart of the community of baseball fans, in a way that someone who doesn’t like baseball wouldn’t be but that doesn’t mean that I am not a tourist. I am a tourist because it is not my community due to me not being geographically raised/spent long enough time there to adopt it as my home.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Dial C for Concupiscence Oct 1,2013 4:01 pm || Up

                  What if you didn’t live in the area, but were a Dodger’s fan though? Or if you were dating a Dodger’s player? At what point do you cross the line into not being a tourist despite not living there?

                • PDXAthleticsfan Oct 1,2013 4:05 pm || Up

                  Exactly. I don’t consider that I’m a tourist when I go to the Bay Area, even though it is, for the most part, for pleasure, and I do things that may even be touristy, like visit two museums, a football game, and a baseball game, for a real example.

                  A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
                • DFA Oct 1,2013 4:27 pm || Up

                  Whether you consider yourself something and whether you are something is quite different.

                  I don’t consider myself rich but on a global scale I am. I don’t consider myself tall but I am taller than an average US man.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • dmoas Oct 1,2013 6:21 pm || Up

                  How you view yourself is more important than you claim. Wealth is a matter of perspective. Whether you are wealthy or not depends entirely on what perspective you choose to exist in.

                • DFA Oct 1,2013 8:33 pm || Up

                  Maybe to you but its also a measured quality

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • dmoas Oct 1,2013 9:37 pm || Up

                  It’s a measured quality, but ALL measured qualities are perspective based. Big is only big from a perspective. Stink is only stinky from a perspective. They’re not absolutes.

                • DFA Oct 1,2013 4:26 pm || Up

                  Or if you were dating a Dodger’s player?

                  Then you would be slumming it with the fans and a tourist.

                  What if you didn’t live in the area, but were a Dodger’s fan though?

                  You would be on a pilgrimage and therefore a tourist.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • DFA Oct 1,2013 4:28 pm || Up

                  I don’t know what the bright line is though. I will spend more time thinking about it.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • AV Oct 1,2013 4:36 pm || Up

                  it’s open for study, for sure. a lot of it flows from this, which i was supposed to’ve read in grad school. wish i had the time to read it now.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • DFA Oct 1,2013 5:33 pm || Up

                  I like Said, and there is definitely a lot there.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • AV Oct 1,2013 5:36 pm || Up

                  nice.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • AV Oct 1,2013 5:37 pm || Up

                  DAMMIT. threw a banana at myself(?).

                  i read a pun into that. thought you wrote: “like i Said…”

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • DFA Oct 1,2013 5:44 pm || Up

                  I wish i was smart enough to make that joke

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • colin Oct 2,2013 5:14 am || Up

                  I read a different, but similar, witticism into it:

                  “I like Said, and there is definitely a lot [said] there.”

                • Dial C for Concupiscence Oct 1,2013 4:36 pm || Up

                  Ok, because I’m curious. If you’re coming down on the position that any combination of travel and pleasure equals tourist regardless of community ties, then I’m going to want you to clarify what “travel” means.

                  E.g. Am I traveling if I go to a neighborhood in SF I never go to (like Outer Sunset or something)? What if I go to San Jose for pleasure (suspend your disbelief)? Would that be far enough to have triggered “travel?” Sacramento appears to be far enough away judging from your comments above, so I’d want to know, at least roughly, the distance that triggers travel and therefore tourism.

                • DFA Oct 1,2013 5:35 pm || Up

                  I would say it is more your regular routine than actual distance. If you never go to a neighborhood on the other side of the city and then you end up there yes you are a tourist.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • AV Oct 1,2013 5:38 pm || Up

                  has to be done:

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • colin Oct 2,2013 5:17 am || Up

                  Uhh!! They are so good! Now I have to choose between listening to the whole album and getting to work on time.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence Oct 2,2013 10:49 am || Up

                  Now we’re getting closer to AV’s point. If regular routine trumps distance, what defines “regular routine?”

                  Say that Kay’s been going to the Folsom St Festival every year for a decade, and has blocked it off on her calendar for the next decade, does that not qualify as a routine? Surely, if she lived in SF, you wouldn’t claim that she were a tourist given her history with the festival and association with the community, so at what point or distance does travel outweigh those elements and knock someone into the tourist bucket?

                  Or if you feel that an annual routine doesn’t qualify as “regular”, imagine that Kay (sorry to keep using you as my example Kay) came from Sacramento to every Saturday A’s home game during the season and has been doing so for years. Would she be a tourist at the Coliseum? Or is weekly/bi-weekly a high enough frequency to qualify as “regular routine” despite the travel?

                  I think you have to leave room for familiarity when defining tourist, whether that familiarity be cultural or historical. Either that, or take a hard tack line that any travel over X miles for non-business purposes equals tourist.

                • AV Oct 2,2013 10:57 am || Up

                  doesn’t need to be strictly bi-weekly. you could just be bi-weekly-curious.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Oct 2,2013 11:17 am || Up

                  Bwah-hah-hah-hah!

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • DFA Oct 2,2013 3:57 pm || Up

                  The festival is centred around a bar culture of a particular geographic area namely Folsom Street. Its a part of a San Francisco is freaky and we are going to let our freak flag fly and screw the normals attitude that is captured by San Francisco’s geography and citizenry. You cant separate the two.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • dmoas Oct 2,2013 4:03 pm || Up

                  Yes, but they’re all in the Milky Way Galaxy that everyone who attends is resident of. And they frequently hang out on the planet Earth in the Sol System. So, you know, they’re locals and shit, not tourists.

                • JediLeroy Oct 1,2013 5:41 pm || Up

                  If one travels to a new place to live and work, and experiences the emotion of pleasure whilst so living and working, does that automatically make that person a tourist?

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                • DFA Oct 1,2013 5:46 pm || Up

                  I would say the live and work component make you less likely a tourist, though issues of race class and global hegemony might still intervene.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • AV Oct 1,2013 4:28 pm || Up

                  there’s a lot that could go into this, different ways to evaluate it. one could be the concentric circles of closeness to the “local” culture. for example, community of baseball is bigger, community of NL fans, somewhat smaller, community of NRAF dodger fans smaller, community of SoCal dodger fans, community of LA county dodger fans, chavez ravine dodger fans. and what you’re pointing to is that difference, which i buy.

                  but another way to look at it too, might be about spectatorship and performativity, which might sorta parallel kay’s experience. in your example, say the cardinals are playing the dodgers that day. the cards might fall into the two largest circles above, fans of baseball/fans of NL. but would a chavez ravine native, surely in the innermost circles, be able to point to them and say the cardinals tourists at that game? i dare say it might even go the other way around, that the locals wouldn’t even have something to look at if the cards weren’t there in the first place.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • AV Oct 1,2013 4:31 pm || Up

                  oops. forgot NRAF was A’s-specific. *NRDF.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • DFA Oct 1,2013 4:57 pm || Up

                  The Cardinals are there on business which is separate :)

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Englishmajor Oct 1,2013 6:05 pm || Up

                • ptbnl Oct 2,2013 9:02 am || Up

                  Mace a tourist!

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • sslinger Oct 2,2013 2:07 pm || Up

                  Looks like our govt has found a way to do that.

              • Kay Oct 2,2013 10:07 am || Up

                and in this particular case, most of the people with phones glued to their faces were pic collectors, harvesting months worth of spank bank material, as opposed to vanillas coming specifically to gawk.

                BTW, I’m totally in favor of vanilla people coming to Folsom. I think it shows a lot of courage for them to join the freak show and expose themselves to a milieu of alternative sexualities. Eventually, I would like to see there be a public queer/freak/kink/nudist festival in every city of decent size, just like every city of decent size has a Gay Pride parade or festival.

                \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • dmoas Oct 2,2013 3:24 pm || Up

                  Festival? Don’t you mean general lifestyle?

                • DFA Oct 2,2013 3:59 pm || Up

                  So are you retracting your tourist comment or not? I cant tell

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Kay Oct 2,2013 4:09 pm || Up

                  Are you retracting your tiny penis or not? I can’t tell.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • whimsical witch Oct 2,2013 4:13 pm || Up

                  wtf, kay. this is uncalled for.

                  this whole discussion is totally lame at this point.

                • dmoas Oct 2,2013 4:18 pm || Up

                  Yeah, just a little bit below the belt. (sorry, couldn’t help myself, but yeah, uncalled for.)

                • Dial C for Concupiscence Oct 2,2013 5:50 pm || Up

                  Agreed. This has just been an interesting discussion on terms and definitions. No need for this at all.

                • Kay Oct 2,2013 6:14 pm || Up

                  This has been a bullshit semantic argument DFA started for the purpose of trolling me. When I’m trolled, I troll back. It is what it is.

                  I wish you all would just get up the gumption to ban us both. Then, you nonconfrontational types can have the peaceful environment you want.

                  However, if he’s going to be around here and makes any replies to any of my comments that I perceive to be personal attacks, whether over semantics or anything else, there’s going to be a re-reply from me in a little black box, and those of you who hate meta should just ignore it.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Oct 2,2013 6:19 pm || Up

                  Since no one’s getting banned, I’d urge everyone not directly involved to just steer completely clear of such spats, as the only practical way of minimizing the spread of bad feelings any further.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • Jennifer Oct 2,2013 6:32 pm || Up

                  Fuck it. Enjoy the place to yourselves.

                • dmoas Oct 2,2013 6:39 pm || Up

                  Honestly, I don’t think it had anything to do with you. But even if it did, it was still too far. Walking away or even saying “DFA. Stop.” or something to that affect should have occurred before you drop the nuclear option. It’s one thing to feel disrespected and speak up. It’s a whole other animal to “shoot” someone for it without warning.

                • DFA Oct 2,2013 4:36 pm || Up

                  I mean I enjoy pretty much any conversation that involves Edward Said and thought what was happening above was pretty cordial. The questions that I was being asked I found to be interesting and made me think about my position with regards to the intersectionality of identities. I guess it was foolish to hope that it could stay that way.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • DFA Oct 2,2013 4:32 pm || Up

                  Im not sure how asking if

                  pic collectors = tourists

                  vanillas = tourists

                  or neither = tourists

                  warrants that response.

                  Also I think it is pretty cowardly to spoil tag that. If you are going attack me, don’t hide in the shadows to do it. Be an adult and come after me in the day light.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • whimsical witch Oct 2,2013 4:38 pm || Up

                  might i suggest: how about an agreement to just stop attacking one another? it’s a FUCKING TIRED ACT and i am sick to my heart around all of it. if you all can’t speak to one another respectfully, either stop talking to one another or take it somewhere private. hell, i’m more than willing mediate your issues with one another if you need a witness/facilitator. this has become a constant source of sadness for me and i care about all of you.

                • whimsical witch Oct 2,2013 5:58 pm || Up

                  i’ve heard from some people that they were hurt by what i wrote here. for that, i apologize from my heart.

                  my desire for respectful discussion and my offer to mediate resolution still stands.

                • Kay Oct 2,2013 8:46 pm || Up

                  It didn’t hurt my feelings AT ALL. Sorry I hurt yours.

                  I can’t share a space with that guy. I just can’t. He makes the hair stand up on the back of my head, and I want to get primal and fight for mammalian dominance, but there’s no way to win that fight or enforce its’ results on social pecking order due to the anarchic and ban-free nature of this site.

                  There’s nothing to mediate or to resolve. I would quit, but you all know it’s completely meaningless if/when I quit or DFA quits.

                  Then again, my grandmother and eventually my mom both quit smoking. They tried lots and lots of times before it finally stuck. Maybe the key is to keep trying, and eventually the willpower will develop.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • MikeV Oct 2,2013 8:53 pm || Up

                  I don’t see anything you posted that would require an apology to anybody.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

  31. doctorK Oct 1,2013 8:00 pm

    Should be a home run.

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