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Grill/thread type thing 177

I thought it was a free parking spot, but it was actually a Geo Metro.

Is the old or new span more likely to fall down in an earthquake?

Mark Ellis would make an excellent second base upgrade.

Remember when we were trying to figure out whether we should keep Brandon Allen or Kila Ka’aihue as our everyday firstbaseman?

I totally forgot that FUUUUUU was even on last year’s team.

Twenty vials of moon dust were recently found at LBL, labeled by Melvin Calvin himself. They were dated 1970; I’m surprised they survived the decade without someone snorting it.

177 thoughts on “Grill/thread type thing

  1. the llama Jun 24,2013 10:19 pm

    Screw you, I can have beer and skittles for dessert

    • dmoas Jun 24,2013 11:11 pm || Up

      I had skittles for dinner last night… I think. Green Apple replacing Lime is an abomination.

      • 5Aces Jun 24,2013 11:49 pm || Up

        Thank you! I have a friend who tried to tell me green apple is good. He may be an ex friend…This is all part of the sour conspiracy. Every candy must have sour now, and sour Skittles arent enough, they have to raid my wonderful mix of flavors.

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • dmoas Jun 25,2013 11:33 am || Up

          How can you do a lemon-lime combination without fking lime??!! Or strawberry lime? It’s a quintessential part of the package. And I’m with you on the overblown “let’s make everything sour” nonsense. Leave my childhood along, damn it!

  2. FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 24,2013 10:20 pm

    The bolt issues notwithstanding, supposedly the new span is much safer right now, not even close.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • DFA Jun 24,2013 10:23 pm || Up

      Yeah Im not sure about that.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 24,2013 10:35 pm || Up

        Engineers designed the 1936 bridge to withstand maximum ground accelerations of 10 percent of 1 g, a measurement of the force of gravity on a moving object, within a 5-second period. The rate of 10 percent of 1 g was roughly the same earthquake safety standard applied to new building construction at the time…Compare that with the new bridge, which has been designed to survive equivalent Gs of up to 180 percent…

        “Back in the 1930s, the engineers thought one-tenth of a G-force was plenty,” Maroney said. “They blamed the destruction after the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco on poor construction and the fire. They believed that a structure built with quality materials and skilled workers wouldn’t be vulnerable in an earthquake.”

        Even though seismic experts first recorded a California earthquake in 1933, engineers didn’t begin factoring vibration theory into bridge design until the mid-1970s, Maroney said.

        http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_23404330/new-bay-bridge-vastly-safer-than-old-span

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • dmoas Jun 24,2013 11:09 pm || Up

          Yeah, that’s what they’re *saying* but the utter incompetence/negligence shown in actually building the damn thing leaves plenty to doubt.

        • ptbnl Jun 24,2013 11:54 pm || Up

          It’s a bizarre and unnecessary use of percentages – just say the maximum acceleration has risen from 0.1 to 1.8G.

          The good news is that even if they’ve pissed away half of the improvement due to incompetence it’s still 10x stronger than the old one.

          If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
          • ptbnl Jun 25,2013 8:26 am || Up

            Furthermore, G is itself unnecessary here – why not just say the maximum acceleration has risen from 1 to 20 meters per second per second?

            If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
            • andeux Jun 25,2013 10:43 am || Up

              Readers are more likely to have some sense of how strong an acceleration is if it’s expressed in g than in m/s^2.

              TINSTAAFK
          • DFA Jun 25,2013 10:35 am || Up

            Oh Ok I thought you were talking about the west span not the old east span.

            That I think is the far more relevant question. Everyone knows the old east is a joke.

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • the dogfather Jun 25,2013 6:57 am || Up

      It would be an interesting experiment to leave both bridges up and allow drivers to choose their safety — say, ten bucks shiny new side, five bucks old relic. I do not think the new side would get much use.

      The meaning of life is not so much found, as it is Made. -- Opus
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 25,2013 8:36 am || Up

        Yeah, well, all that referendum would prove is that people are stupid. I’ll take modern seismic engineering over its 1930s counterpart any day.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • the dogfather Jun 25,2013 9:40 am || Up

          It’s a flawed concept, but not for that reason. The new span is not so much for the few lives it might save, as it is to avoid the multiple economic disruptions that a significant period of closure would bring with it.

          The meaning of life is not so much found, as it is Made. -- Opus
        • dmoas Jun 25,2013 11:35 am || Up

          Things don’t last nearly as long as they used to.

  3. FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 24,2013 10:21 pm

    I would totally snort moon dust.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • DFA Jun 24,2013 10:23 pm || Up

      sounds unpleasant.

      my brother once snorted a pixie stick… he regretted that

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 24,2013 10:38 pm || Up

        There was a year in college where I experimented with snorting all kinds of things. I could handle some rock dust. Maybe it’d turn me into a superhero.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • nevermoor Jun 25,2013 8:36 am || Up

          …this explains a lot.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  4. the llama Jun 24,2013 10:30 pm

    Here is a six-year run of very good pitching from the same pitcher. Every year was an ERA+ of 130-140, except one which was 97. Do you know which one?
    HR/9 BB/9 SO/9
    HR/9 BB/9 SO/9
    1.2 2.1 8.7
    1.1 2.1 7.8
    1.1 2 7.8
    1.1 2.6 9.1
    0.8 1.8 8.1
    1.0 2.2 9.0

    • ptbnl Jun 24,2013 11:54 pm || Up

      Rickey.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • the llama Jun 25,2013 7:11 am || Up

      I meant, can you guess the year with the poor ERA?

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 25,2013 8:36 am || Up

        The year with the 2.6 BB/9?

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • nevermoor Jun 25,2013 8:37 am || Up

        I’m going to guess year 5 just b/c it seems least likely

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • aardvark Jun 25,2013 10:24 am || Up

        It’s very hard to guess, but I’ll go with year #1

      • the llama Jun 25,2013 8:55 pm || Up

        That was kind of the point. This guy was basically the same pitcher every year except for the one where he had a .320 BABIP. The stats are for Cole Hamels from 2007-2012. In year 3 he had a 97 ERA+. In every other year he had an excellent ERA.

  5. the llama Jun 24,2013 10:35 pm

    Cria2, after the end of the NBA finals: “Are they going to throw a pie in the face now?”

    • ptbnl Jun 24,2013 11:54 pm || Up

      So much win it hurts.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  6. FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 24,2013 10:49 pm
    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • ptbnl Jun 24,2013 11:57 pm || Up

      Has anyone seen Kyli?

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • Jennifer Jun 25,2013 3:19 am || Up

      Pshaw. Aaron Carter is not a Backstreet Boy.

    • Kylianna Jun 27,2013 9:55 am || Up

      I believe you mean ‘younger sibling of the hottest Backstreet Boy’.

      Also, I am still laughing at this several days later because what.

  7. MikeV Jun 25,2013 8:19 am

    Mark Ellis would make an excellent second base upgrade.

    Ellis: 86 wRC+, -0.4(!) UZR
    Suck Ass: 90 wRC+, +0.4

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • Glorious Mundy Jun 25,2013 9:55 am || Up

      Ellis would look a lot better if you platooned him. He’s got a 120 wRC+ this year against lefties.

      • MikeV Jun 25,2013 9:59 am || Up

        Rosales is 111…

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

      • the llama Jun 25,2013 8:55 pm || Up

        Ellis would look a lot better in green socks and white shoes.

        • harensheir15 Jun 25,2013 11:55 pm || Up

          If there is any justice in the world, he’ll be back serving root beer floats and signing autographs with a smile tomorrow. Like he never left.

    • the llama Jun 25,2013 8:55 pm || Up

      Stop it.

  8. JamesV Jun 25,2013 9:46 am
    • Glorious Mundy Jun 25,2013 9:57 am || Up

      Jihawg

      • doctorK Jun 25,2013 9:58 am || Up

        They should go whole-hog and just make bullets entirely from bacon.

    • sslinger Jun 25,2013 10:18 am || Up

      Straight out of True Blood.

  9. MikeV Jun 25,2013 9:52 am

    Reclamation project?

    https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/349567998115315715

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • doctorK Jun 25,2013 9:57 am || Up

      • MikeV Jun 25,2013 9:59 am || Up

        god dammit twitter.

        Cubs DFA’d Carlos Marmol

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • Soaker Jun 25,2013 10:13 am || Up

          I fixed it in your original comment; what you have to do now is copy Twitter’s embed code and paste that here, rather than just pasting the URL of the tweet.

          What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
          • MikeV Jun 25,2013 10:19 am || Up

            Roger that…

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

    • Glorious Mundy Jun 25,2013 10:18 am || Up

      Brian Bogusevic: Possible Croatian-American?

      • doctorK Jun 25,2013 10:28 am || Up

        Fan reactions:

        When he hits a home run – AWESOME!
        When he strikes out – bogus

  10. aardvark Jun 25,2013 10:28 am

    BP top 50 is out (subscribers only). Addison Russell at #11. Jason Parks is chatting now.

    • Glorious Mundy Jun 25,2013 10:31 am || Up

      Mike (Oakland): No Sonny Gray? A few weeks ago, he was hyped here as a near-ready potential #2 starter. Was he close?

      Jason Parks on the Midseason Top 50 Prospects: I didn’t make that claim, so he wasn’t that high on my list. Originally, I think we had him in the ~40 range, but I slowly peeled him off because I question the likelihood that he reaches a #2 ceiling.

    • DFA Jun 25,2013 10:40 am || Up

      Mike (Oakland): Are you still as high on Addison Russell as you were pre-season?

      Jason Parks on the Midseason Top 50 Prospects: He’s ranked him #11, so I would hope so.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • DFA Jun 25,2013 10:41 am || Up

        I love his sass.

        Its like the hipster version of Keith Law, if Keith Law was funny.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • Glorious Mundy Jun 25,2013 11:06 am || Up

          I liked this:

          ballzov (Toronto, Canada): If TINSTAAPP, why are top prospect lists full of them?

          Jason Parks on the Midseason Top 50 Prospects: Because TINSTAAPP is stupid. I love pitching prospects. They are very real.

          Parks is clever. Law just comes off as a pompous dick.

          • JamesV Jun 25,2013 12:01 pm || Up

            To be fair, Law is a pompous dick…right?

            • the llama Jun 25,2013 8:57 pm || Up

              Keith Law emailed me once to tell me I was being a jerk.

              • andeux Jun 25,2013 9:02 pm || Up

                Were you?

                TINSTAAFK
                • Future Ed Jun 25,2013 9:09 pm || Up

                  you have to ask?

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • dmoas Jun 25,2013 9:10 pm || Up

                  Are we talking about this again?

                • Future Ed Jun 25,2013 9:13 pm || Up

                  Yeah, we are talking about a guy who likes to watch somebody play once, the pronounce scouting bon mots then tell people they are jerks and demand emails.

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • dmoas Jun 25,2013 9:20 pm || Up

                  Swing and a miss.

                • the llama Jun 25,2013 9:20 pm || Up

                  This is what I said. He was backing up his homey Sheehan.

                • andeux Jun 25,2013 9:28 pm || Up

                  So no.
                  Also this is a good line:

                  I’m too dumb to outsmart myself

                  TINSTAAFK
                • the llama Jun 25,2013 9:47 pm || Up

                  Gotta be a tagline, “Too dumb to outsmart ourselves.”

    • Glorious Mundy Jun 25,2013 10:41 am || Up

      In looking up Russell’s stats (not bad, considering his poor start/injury), I notice that James Simmons is back in A ball, and starting again. Also, Raul Alcantara looks like he got promoted to Stockton recently.

    • Future Ed Jun 25,2013 11:43 am || Up

      Should I be excited?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  11. MikeV Jun 25,2013 11:04 am

    unread comments stop working for anybody?

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • nevermoor Jun 25,2013 1:45 pm || Up

      Working for me

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  12. wacchampions Jun 25,2013 11:07 am

    Tonight we are having an informal fast food tailgate, Oz is here visiting and he will also be joining us, basically if you are not familiar with our fast food tailgates, it just means that we will have no grill, and generally speaking, people just grab some food and come to the parking lot and sit down and eat together! Also it is free parking Tuesday! We will meet in our usual spot…..

    https://www.facebook.com/events/262384710571172/

    • FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 25,2013 11:39 am || Up

      Damn, I can’t go. I really want to meet the great and terrible Oz.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Jennifer Jun 25,2013 11:53 am || Up

        I’m pretty sure he moved back to the Bay.

  13. Future Ed Jun 25,2013 12:09 pm

    Yasiel Puig: Empty .442

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • doctorK Jun 25,2013 12:47 pm || Up

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 25,2013 12:49 pm || Up

        My favorite Blondie song:

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        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  14. MikeV Jun 25,2013 12:59 pm

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • MikeV Jun 25,2013 2:13 pm || Up

      He’s catching today and hitting 8th.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

    • doctorK Jun 25,2013 2:34 pm || Up

      I’m waiting for the tweet that tells us Suck Ass is leaving the A’s today.

    • the llama Jun 25,2013 8:58 pm || Up

      Slusser on Vogt: ““Classy” and “as nice as Mark Ellis” (extremely high praise) are among some of the texts and tweets I got today.”

  15. doctorK Jun 25,2013 2:32 pm

    Nice little smash-em-up on N 101 at Montague today.

    Doesn’t appear anybody was seriously hurt, though.

  16. beebo Jun 25,2013 2:57 pm

    I take it y’all have seen this Giants fan (or some variation thereof) by now.

    The custom jersey is a nice touch.

    • Glorious Mundy Jun 25,2013 3:14 pm || Up

      He stayed on the iPad the entire game, and even brought along an attachable keyboard for it.

      Nice

    • 5Aces Jun 25,2013 3:26 pm || Up

      I love my tablet. 90%+ of the time I am posting here it is on the tablet. I do not understand this idea of taking it everywhere.

      Took the kids to see Monsters U on Sunday and a guy brought his tablet in there. Was checking emails all through the trailers. Blew my friggin mind. Now I have been to plenty of kids movies that I wanted to ignore..but the trailers? What is the workd coming to?

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • PDXAthleticsfan Jun 25,2013 3:36 pm || Up

        Hold on. I’ll answer you as soon as I’m done with my Angry Birds level…

        A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
  17. aardvark Jun 25,2013 6:30 pm

    I’m in section 113, row 23 courtesy of the opposing manager. If anyone’s at tonight’s game, come say hi.

  18. ptbnl Jun 25,2013 9:16 pm

    Two things I learned today:

    Estate planning is complicated when your children are 7, 30 & 32.

    Jupiter is a Drake’s brewpub, and their XHP is just the 1500 by another name.

    If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • andeux Jun 25,2013 9:21 pm || Up

      The Martin brothers (owners of Triple Rock and Jupiter, and Big Time in Seattle) bought Drakes a few years ago. But even before that, I think Drakes was contract brewing their house beers.

      TINSTAAFK
      • ptbnl Jun 25,2013 9:25 pm || Up

        Doesn’t Triple Rock brew its own?

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
        • andeux Jun 25,2013 9:27 pm || Up

          Yes. Sorry, unclear. “Their” in last sentence = Jupiter’s.

          TINSTAAFK
          • ptbnl Jun 25,2013 9:31 pm || Up

            Have you had any of TR’s “single hop” brews?

            If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
            • andeux Jun 25,2013 9:35 pm || Up

              I tried a couple at some point. Not for a while though.

              TINSTAAFK
              • ptbnl Jun 25,2013 9:38 pm || Up

                Seems like it might be an interesting idea if they had several available at once that you could try as a flight, but otherwise …

                The last one I tried was made with a “single” blend of 4 hops.

                If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  19. JamesV Jun 25,2013 10:01 pm

    Amazing stuff going on in the Texas Senate right now with the Wendy Davis filibuster.

    Around 15 minutes prior to midnight the Senate President was trying to end the filibuster and was not allowing an inquiry by Leticia Van De Putte, claiming it was not heard before a roll was called.

    She got another chance to make an inquiry afterward and asked, “At what point must a female senator raise her hand or her voice to be heard over the male colleagues in the room?”

    At that moment the entire gallery broke into loud cheering and has not stopped. They carried the filibuster up to midnight to keep it going tomorrow. Wow.

    From the livestream on YouTube by the Texas Tribune:

    “State Sen. Wendy Davis, D-Fort Worth, is filibustering controversial legislation that would dramatically restrict access to abortions in Texas. Abortion opponents argue the measure would improve women’s safety, while reproductive rights advocates argue it would effectively cut off legal access to abortion in the state and endanger women’s health.”

    • Future Ed Jun 25,2013 10:07 pm || Up

      wow

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • JamesV Jun 25,2013 10:09 pm || Up

        Hard to hear now, but I think the Senate President tried to say the extended cheering was like a “time out” and he still wanted to call the vote after midnight, which should not be allowed. The audio’s too quiet to make much out but I can hear the gallery still going.

      • JamesV Jun 25,2013 10:13 pm || Up

        It looks like they’re forcing the vote after all and denying something? So hard to tell right now.

      • JamesV Jun 25,2013 10:16 pm || Up

        I think they just voted to pass the abortion bill that was being filibustered.

      • JamesV Jun 25,2013 10:17 pm || Up

        BREAKING: Republicans pass new restrictions expected to close almost every abortion clinic in Texas.

  20. JamesV Jun 26,2013 7:12 am

    Woke up to see SB5 did fall in Texas, and now DOMA is declared unconstitutional? Good start to the morning.

    • MikeV Jun 26,2013 7:56 am || Up

      Prop 8 going away as well.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • batgirl Jun 26,2013 10:19 am || Up

        Great day!! And I just got a new showroom in Atlanta *and* I’ve got a line on 15 free puzzles on craigslist.

        I’m marching in the pride parade on Sunday with Mercy for Animals–should be quite a party!

        • sslinger Jun 26,2013 10:30 am || Up

          I’m marching with Bay Area Atheist Groups. We’re at the tail end of the parade – atheists bringing up the rear, again. Do you know your group # or where you’re lining up? I’d love to come over and say hi!

          • batgirl Jun 26,2013 10:47 am || Up

            I have no idea what our group number is. The email I got says met at “Market St. at Beale St.” but I think everyone meets near there? I’m guessing it will be very chaotic. I went to a safety monitor meeting last night in Oakland so now I know that I have to:

            a. stay sober until I cross the finish line
            b. don’t throw boxer shorts
            c. wheel monitors do not leave your wheels!
            d. if wearing spike heels, walk *around* the muni grates

            Imma get your cell number so I can text you!

  21. JamesV Jun 26,2013 7:34 am

    And Prop 8 has no standing. Yes.

    • FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 26,2013 8:10 am || Up

      Interesting split on the 5-4, with Scalia in the majority (with Roberts Ginsburg Breyer and Kagan) and Sotomayor in the minority (with Kennedy Thomas and Alito).

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Glorious Mundy Jun 26,2013 10:06 am || Up

        Very interesting. My guess is that Kennedy was going to write a merits opinion that had something for both sides to dislike.

        • Future Ed Jun 26,2013 11:53 am || Up

          That was my guess, but I just got to the office. and now I don’t care to look into it.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • dmoas Jun 26,2013 9:22 am || Up

      Not sure I like that. Opens a potential can of worms if you don’t allow standing. I guess it partly depends on what they deemed as not having standing in this case, but I’d prefer it to have gone it’s merits even if were a small scope variation.

      • Future Ed Jun 26,2013 11:55 am || Up

        they mean the state has standing to appeal, not the group that did appeal. Since the state intended on letting the lower court opinion stand, SCOTUS doesn’t look at the merits of the case.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • dmoas Jun 26,2013 2:23 pm || Up

          I know that, but that just opens the door to the state not backing the public initiatives.

          • Glorious Mundy Jun 26,2013 2:26 pm || Up

            Good. Initiatives, especially ones vulnerable to attack in federal court, are usually bad news.

          • Future Ed Jun 26,2013 2:28 pm || Up

            State=Elected officials.

            Personally, I hope no public initiative has help.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • DFA Jun 26,2013 2:45 pm || Up

              So you believe that the state officials should just be able to ignore inititiatives?

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • andeux Jun 26,2013 2:46 pm || Up

                No one has said anything remotely like that.

                TINSTAAFK
                • dmoas Jun 26,2013 3:02 pm || Up

                  Except in a sense, that’s what you’re saying if you’re okay with them not having to defend an initiative.

                • andeux Jun 26,2013 3:06 pm || Up

                  Not in any true or meaningful sense, no.

                  TINSTAAFK
                • nevermoor Jun 27,2013 9:04 am || Up

                  Sure it is. President Paul disbands the IRS and refuses to enforce taxation laws. No one can sue.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • Future Ed Jun 26,2013 2:47 pm || Up

                ignore? or Defend?

                Ignore, no, Defend, sure.

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • dmoas Jun 26,2013 3:03 pm || Up

                  Not sure how that works. Hard to enforce a law if you’re not willing to defend it.

                • Glorious Mundy Jun 26,2013 3:05 pm || Up

                  I haven’t noticed California not enforcing Prop 8.

                • Future Ed Jun 26,2013 3:05 pm || Up

                  have you gotten pulled over with weed in the past year?

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Future Ed Jun 26,2013 3:07 pm || Up

                  there are a lot of laws. not all of them are enforced equally.

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • andeux Jun 26,2013 3:11 pm || Up

                  Right, but (per GM’s comment) that hasn’t even been an issue in this case.

                  TINSTAAFK
              • doctorK Jun 26,2013 2:52 pm || Up

                If I’m not mistaken, the state executive branch is required to enforce state law. Therefore, Brown, Harris, et al should not be allowed to blow off enforcement, no matter how much they might disagree with the law (seems like I remember a lot of anger directed towards Bush for his selective enforcement of federal law). If they don’t like the law, then work to change it. My guess is that today, a state-wide initiative to repeal Prop. 8 would pass fairly easily. In fact, this should still be pursued by those who oppose Prop. 8, in order to get on record that the people of California support same-sex marriage.

    • Soaker Jun 26,2013 9:38 am || Up

      The ruling does nothing for Nevada, whose Constitution states that “Only a marriage between a male and female person shall be recognized and given effect in this state” (ironically, that’s within the Declaration of Rights). The 2013 Legislature passed a measure to repeal that, but that measure would have to be re-passed by the 2015 Legislature and then ratified by the voters in November 2016 to remove that from the Constitution. I do think the repeal will succeed because enough attitudes have changed and a state that relies so heavily on tourist money realizes how much we’re forfeiting by turning down the gay marriage business, but it’s over 3 years away and a different ruling today could have shortcut the process.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • DFA Jun 26,2013 10:17 am || Up

        You could sue under the full faith and credit clause to get that removed

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • Glorious Mundy Jun 26,2013 10:23 am || Up

          The portion of DOMA presuming to exempt states from having to recognize gay marriages from other states hasn’t been struck down yet (I think), so that’s still a live issue.

          • DFA Jun 26,2013 10:37 am || Up

            right but now if you sue for that there is a lot more momentum.

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • DFA Jun 26,2013 10:05 am || Up

      Thats actually not good, because lets say you pass a ballot inititive that protects X group and the state refuses to enforce it, you then cant sue the state and force the state to enforce it.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • Glorious Mundy Jun 26,2013 10:08 am || Up

        I’m not sure that’s true. Standing to appeal and standing to sue in the first place can be two different things. And you could still have standing under state law.

        • DFA Jun 26,2013 10:18 am || Up

          It is. If the state won’t defend a law passed at the ballot why shouldn’t the ballot petitioners be able to do it?

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • Glorious Mundy Jun 26,2013 10:25 am || Up

            I haven’t read the opinion yet, but I tend to agree that denying standing here was probably the wrong decision. I’m just saying that it doesn’t necessarily mean that citizens who wish to force a state to enforce a ballot initiative wouldn’t have standing as plaintiffs, rather than as defendant-appellants, as was the case here.

            • DFA Jun 26,2013 10:38 am || Up

              The government should have to defend its laws.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • Glorious Mundy Jun 26,2013 10:41 am || Up

                I don’t follow.

                • DFA Jun 26,2013 10:59 am || Up

                  Basically in both cases the government decided that the laws weren’t consitutional. What that means is that for doma the HoR had to fund a group of lawyers to run the case and in CA the failure to have the state take it to appeal, so the ballot petitioners continued the case.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Glorious Mundy Jun 26,2013 11:05 am || Up

                  Gotcha. It’s just not as easy as saying “the government should have to defend its laws,” though, because often the people controlling the government’s lawyers changes (in the case of DOMA) or the law was enacted over the objections of the government (Prop 8). Can you force Jerry Brown to appeal the decision of a federal judge invalidating a state referendum that neither he nor his predecessor supported? What would be the point?

                • dmoas Jun 26,2013 11:09 am || Up

                  I think the key is that they can’t be allowed to get in the way of a proper defense of the law. If they’re unwilling and/or unable to give their full support of our laws then a) they probably shouldn’t be in the office they’re in the first place and b) they need to actively hire/assign someone in their stead to represent them so that proper standing can’t be made an issue.

                • DFA Jun 26,2013 11:12 am || Up

                  Im fine with them saying that it is unconstitutional, but I think then the petitioner at no cost to the state should be able to carry the appeal.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • dmoas Jun 26,2013 11:17 am || Up

                  See, I don’t think the legislative branch as the right to make that declaration once a law is established. I don’t mind them believing it to be unconstitutional and if do they’re not the one’s that should be arguing it’s defense. But as long as it’s an established law, right or wrong, the state needs to be on the hook for defending it. At the very least they should be on the hook if the judiciary branch decides it’s legal after all.

                • dmoas Jun 26,2013 11:06 am || Up

                  We’re probably going to need to amend the state constitution to remedy that.

              • dmoas Jun 26,2013 11:01 am || Up

                Agreed. And short of that, allow someone else to stand in their place.

          • dmoas Jun 26,2013 10:59 am || Up

            It kind of depends on what part of the standing they nixed it on. If it’s a ballot petitioner’s lack of standing issue, then the ramifications are pretty severe. If it’s a “you’re not hurt by this” lack of standing then it’s not so bad.

            • Glorious Mundy Jun 26,2013 11:22 am || Up

              Well, I think it’s both. The basic holding is that a general interest in seeing a state’s law’s upheld is not enough of an injury to create an actual case or controversy, and that the fact that it was enacted by referendum doesn’t change that. Once it’s a law, it’s treated just like any other law, for standing purposes. I’m not sure that’s well reasoned, but there you have it.

              Compare this to DFA’s original hypothetical, where a referendum passes to give protections to certain individuals. There, and individual who is part of the group that referendum was intended to protect should be able to both sue at the trial level and maintain an appeal, because invalidating the referendum would actually injure her.

  22. FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 26,2013 8:15 am

    Clubhouse repairs get rave reviews. Hooray for effective, responsive Coliseum management.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • PDXAthleticsfan Jun 26,2013 8:55 am || Up

      Rinetti confirmed reports that the object that blocked the pipes and caused the massive flooding on June 16 was an “unidentifiable mass.”

      A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
      • Soaker Jun 26,2013 9:13 am || Up

        Unfortunately I’ve seen Suck Ass in uniform since then, so it wasn’t him.

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
        • PDXAthleticsfan Jun 26,2013 9:18 am || Up

          I figured that FUUUUUUUUUUU was trying to sneak back in the only way he could.

          A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
    • colin Jun 26,2013 10:12 am || Up

      There’s nothing like national negative attention to get people working!

      • Soaker Jun 26,2013 10:24 am || Up

        Aren’t you supposed to be sipping margaritas on a beach?

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
        • colin Jun 26,2013 12:03 pm || Up

          Honeymoon postponed due to a death in the family. It’s been an up and down week.

          • Soaker Jun 26,2013 12:04 pm || Up

            Damn. I’m sorry to hear that.

            What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
            • colin Jun 26,2013 12:29 pm || Up

              Fortunately it seems like we’ll pretty much get back all of the money we’ve put out for the trip, so it should just be a matter of rescheduling everything for August or September.

          • batgirl Jun 26,2013 12:06 pm || Up

            Ugh–I’m so sorry!

          • FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 26,2013 12:08 pm || Up

            Whoa, sorry colin.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • Future Ed Jun 26,2013 12:10 pm || Up

            take care of business first.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • ptbnl Jun 26,2013 12:13 pm || Up

            Ouch – sorry.

            If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
          • PDXAthleticsfan Jun 26,2013 12:43 pm || Up

            Sorry to hear that.

            A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
          • DFA Jun 26,2013 2:08 pm || Up

            bummer dude. sorry

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • oblique Jun 26,2013 3:40 pm || Up

            Oh no :-(

          • harensheir15 Jun 28,2013 3:31 am || Up

            Ugh, tough lot. Sorry, colin.
            Same thing happened to my folks. They celebrated 31 years in April.

    • Future Ed Jun 26,2013 11:57 am || Up

      crickets

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  23. sslinger Jun 26,2013 10:22 am
    • dmoas Jun 26,2013 11:04 am || Up

      Best part:

      In a strange turn of events the police are treating the kidnapping as an internal/industrial dispute, and are refusing to intervene as they do not believe Mr Starnes to be in immediate physical danger.

      • DFA Jun 26,2013 11:13 am || Up

        To avoid potential rico act issues, I will not be commenting on said post.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • Future Ed Jun 26,2013 12:00 pm || Up

      who the fuck wants to pay CHINESE wages? Outrageous! Bring on Bangladesh! I hear you can add stories to your buildings willie nillie there.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  24. Glorious Mundy Jun 26,2013 12:05 pm
  25. FreeSeatUpgrade Jun 27,2013 6:03 pm
    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • beebo Jun 27,2013 7:42 pm || Up

      She has a comic book, too.

      (Also in that series: Cher, Rosie O’Donnell, and Ellen DeGeneres)

    • dmoas Jul 3,2013 12:27 pm || Up

      For RBG, I think there should be more color.

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