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Wherein JediLeroy elaborates on language in the year 4000: Gri … Screw it, DL-fing-D, 3.25.2010 248

[It’s long so here’s a key: 1. Disco, 2. British TV, 3. Whale sushi, 4. Manly vegans, 5. LB To Do List, 6. Shock collars, 7. Mitt Romney, 8. Languages, art]

1. I had this song in my head all day yesterday:

It was a strange experience. I think I might have even bobbed my head and half-hummed the tune a couple of times, which, I have to tell you, was somewhat out of character for me. Usually when I am walking down the street, I am brooding about consumerism and mentally sticking pins in Eric Cantor voodoo dolls.

I decided to attribute the shift to HCR afterglow. And you know what, bouncy exuberance is not half bad.

2. DVD recommendation: Wallander

It has all the trappings of the crime/thriller genre: a grizzled cop with a checkered past tracking down murderers (Kenneth Branaugh, sporting heavy stubble to call your attention to his grizzledness), clues, red herrings, sordid reveals, people racing to save endangered innocents in the nick of time, etc. So it’s all of that, but in a weird way, it’s not any of that, at all.

Each of the three films has the feel of an art house horror movie: vivid images that are sickening and beautiful at the same time (as when a girl sets herself on fire in a vast field of yellow flowers, against a deep blue sky – it is like watching a Van Gogh painting come to life), and a tone that trades seat edge suspense for a queasy sense of the inevitable.

While the crime aspect is heavily stylized, the portrait at the center of it all, of a middle aged man quietly (very Swedishly) enduring the consequences of an unexamined (or maybe misexamined) life, is presented quite matter of factly. The actor (Branaugh) is an important part of this of course, but mainly it’s the spareness, the preference for burdened silences over talk talk, that folds a dignified sadness into all the sleuthing and bad guy catching.

So, yeah, thumbs up.

3. What is the point of sneaking endangered whale meat into your sushi offerings? Is it *that* scrumptious?

4. I’m all for mainstream media stories about how animal products are problematic. So, good job Boston Globe. On the other hand, why do these sorts of articles always have to contain sentences like “While no one was looking, guys were stepping up to the wheatgrass bar”? First of all, wtf is a wheatgrass bar? Second of all, wtf is wheatgrass?

Also a new term has apparently infiltrated the vernacular: “hegan”. As far as I can tell it refers to men who are vegans but also have muscles, do athletic things, and hate yuppies.

5. LB To Do List, 3/25/10 (official):

– Locate Tampa area news article involving chimps, automatic weapons, pornography, possibly a counterfeiting ring. Post to FK. Remark that Florida is problematic.

– Proceed to AN. Woo LCJ. Remember the lessons of HCR: sell hard, but manage expectations.

– Pack. Books in boxes, kitchenware in bubble wrap, TV out the window.

– Dead of night. Break into sign shop. Crank up assorted machinery. Produce as many FK stickers, magnets, posters as you can fit in your car. Sweep up, lock the door behind you. Arson didn’t work for James Caan in Thief, and it won’t work for you now. (well, it kind of worked for him, but only after an extended gun battle, and as you’ve acknowledged being somewhat out of shape, you may not be physically able to a) wear the tightest jeans ever made, or b) glide horizontally through the air in slow motion while firing two guns)

– Put gas in the car, make mix tape for trip. I’d go old timey and wistful. Songs with a sense of personal history. Songs about leaving, seeking, the thrill of being neither where you were nor where you’ll be (best to be thrilled about it now; you can shit your pants later). Maybe Joni Mitchell, Chuck Berry, Guy Clark. The Boss. Cat Stevens. Obviously Willie Nelson. Emmylou to kick it off:

6. Wales bans shock collars. I think that if you have to shock your dog to get him to obey, there is something wrong with either you or the dog (probably you).

Duncan McNair, of the Electronic Collar Manufacturers’ Association, said: “It’s a bad idea because more dogs will die, more dogs will have to be re-homed and more owners will have to be distressed at having to give up their pets.”

I know, Duncan. I’m worried too. Back when they made it illegal to stab your dog in the shoulder with a screwdriver, I thought it was curtains for the canine kingdom for sure. Luckily it didn’t turn out that way, but this is a bridge too far. Electric shocks aren’t “cruel”, after all. They’re an enhanced disciplinary technique!

7. Romney’s cooked:

I think Mitt’s done. Unless Health Care Reform ends up having no part in the 2012 presidential election. And even if that’s true, too much of the early spadework for the nomination will have to be done in the period where the GOP is the anti-Health Care Reform party.

Romney will be fine:

By 2012 the apocalyptic rhetoric will have faded so far from memory that Mitt Romney will be able to run as a Republican, without having to run from himself.

The first argument is straightforward: the GOP has organized itself in strident opposition to health care reform, and Romney passed something suspiciously similar to Obamacare while he was governor of Massachusetts. Given the mood of the party, he could hardly do more damage to his candidacy if came out in favor of liberal judges and bank nationalization. Game, set, match.

The counter: since unravelling HCR in toto is a pipe dream, Republicans will eventually have to come around to the reality that they need to attack it at the edges or not at all. Which means that post-November 2010, the cries of unconsitutionality and socialism will fade into “well, the excise tax is too big”. So Romney will get to say that when he passed health care, he didn’t destroy small businesses along the way, or some such thing, and his apostasy will be forgotten.

(Snark interlude: I feel obligated to point out that the inevitable GOP line of attack against HCR will be that it should have been unfunded)

My view is that it isn’t this complicated. The base sees him as a weasely flip-flopper elitist with problematic religious beliefs, and however the narrative around HCR plays out, that isn’t going to change. He didn’t fail in 2008 because John McCain was a shrewd opponent, he failed because he didn’t have the right story to tell. Romney is a square peg. GOP primary voters are a round hole. Simple as that.

I will save my Huckabee 12 dimensional chess theory for another time.

8. The Last Samurai, page 53:

[I]t seemed very quaint that in England books were in English & in France they were in French and that in 2,000 years this would seem as quaint as Munchkinland & the Emerald City, in the meantime it was strange that people from all over the world would go to one place to breed a nation of English writers & another to breed writers of Spanish, it was depressing in a literature to see all the languages fading into English which in America was the language of forgetfulness.

What will language look like in the year 4000? I don’t know the first thing about linguistics, but I’ve no doubt this is an enormously complicated and probably unknowable question. Perhaps the underlying assumption is a safe one, though? That is, whatever the particulars, the evolution of language is inexorably in the direction of blendedness. Whether or not English is what they’ll blend into, who knows.

Noted shit disturber Woody Guthrie, by way of noted shit disturber Billy Bragg, expressed the hope that in 10 million years, every damn thing’ll be blended:

And all creeds and kinds and colors
Of us are blending
Till I suppose ten million years from now
We’ll all be just alike

Sort of like living on the Cylon base ship, I guess, or in Portland.

A few pages later:

If you say that in a book the Italians would speak Italian because in the actual world they speak Italian and the Chinese would speak Chinese because Chinese speak Chinese it is a rather naive way of thinking of a work of art, it’s as if you thought this was the way to make a painting: The sky is blue. I will paint the sky blue. The sun is yellow. I will paint the sun yellow.

… a painter would think of the surface he wanted in a painting and the kind of light and the lines and the relations of colours and be attracted to painting objects that could be represented in a painting with those properties.

Sure. Painters, sculpters, filmmakers, even photographers select for representation aspects of reality that slot into the kind of art they want to create. They’re artists after all, not annotators. But this particular analogy (color is to art as languages are to writing) doesn’t really hold up, not in the way she means it here.

She goes on:

Perhaps a writer would think of the monosyllables and the lack of grammatical inflection in Chinese, and of how this would sound next to lovely long Finnish words all double letters & long vowels in 14 cases or lovely Hungarian all prefixes, suffixes, & having first thought of that would then think of some story about Hungarians or Finns with Chinese.

… I kept hearing in my mind snatches of books which might exist in three or four hundred years. There was one with the characters Hakkinen, Hintikka, and Yu, set provisionally in Helsinki – against a background of snow with a mass of black firs, a black sky & brilliant stars a narrative or perhaps dialogue with nominative genitive partitive essive inessive adessive illative ablative allative & translative, people would come on saying Hyvää päivää for good day there might be a traffic accident so that the word tieliikenneonnettomuus could make an appearance, and then in the mind of Yu Chinese characters, as it might be Black Fir White Snow, this was absolutely ravishing.

… languages related like a circle of fifths, I would see languages with shades of each other, like the colours of Cezanne which often have a green with some red a red with some green, in my mind I saw a glowing still life as if a picture of English with French words French with English words German with French words & English words Japanese with French English & German words …

That’s kind of great, but also kind of preposterous. I’m sure you could mix a dozen languages to construct quite graceful sounding sentences that I might like to hear Christoph Waltz read aloud, but writing is only part music – last I checked, it was rather important that the reader know what the words mean.

She might say that she’d like to annul the boundaries of contemporary decipherability in order to write for those people in the year 4000. Maybe so, and I grant that there is a romantic, ebullient quality to the idea of casting your voice ahead through the centuries and rejecting constraints, however practical, in the name of making a more beautiful thing. But I would say that if you are not writing for the world around you, you cannot write about the world around you. Walling off your work in pursuit of an aesthetic doesn’t evolve the form, it impoverishes it.

I wonder, though: what if God got bored one day, waved his wand (or whatever it is he uses to decree stuff; maybe he just points and bellows or something), and bestowed fluency in all languages to all people? So, instantly, all of us, and everyone everywhere, could speak/read/write Hindi, Arabic, Russian, German, Pashto, Czech, and so forth.

Would we continue to speak the language of our geographical region, just as before, embedded as it is in tradition, culture, etc.? Or would we immediately enter a period of frenzied mixing, combining, experimenting? Would the blending accelerate to the point of vertigo, culminating in a chaotic worldwide mashup, where nobody knew how to talk to anyone else? Would this cause people to retreat, en masse, to a single language with (more) defined boundaries? Would we then embark on a project of willful forgetting, relinquishing this new fluency in return for order and simplicity?

Probably nothing so dramatic.

Whatever. I’m sure some science fiction novel from 1978 has answered all these questions.

248 thoughts on “Wherein JediLeroy elaborates on language in the year 4000: Gri … Screw it, DL-fing-D, 3.25.2010

  1. salb918 Mar 25,2010 6:47 am

    Somebody alert Dubner/Levitt

    Surely there’s a bias in this data – if you’re purchasing a custom size condom, you are more likely to fall outside of (say) a standard deviation of the mean.

    • green star oakland Mar 25,2010 7:52 am || Up

      But then you’d expect a bimodal distribution, not the perfect bell curve the company describes.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • salb918 Mar 25,2010 7:58 am || Up

        In a world where nobody within a std deviation buys a custom condom, sure. But if it’s more like (prob of buying a custom condom) = 1 – exp(-abs(size-mean)/stdev), then it might be manifested as a bell curve with a larger stdev, no?

        • green star oakland Mar 25,2010 10:35 am || Up

          No. The distribution of purchasers penis size would then be the product of the distribution in the population (presumably normal) and the purchase-likelihood function. For example, taking mean=6, stdev=1

          If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
          • salb918 Mar 25,2010 10:38 am || Up

            Ah. In light of the overwhelming graphical evidence and mk’s crack market research (below), I stand corrected.

    • mk Mar 25,2010 8:14 am || Up

      Sal, I have researched the matter, and it appears that Condomania offers the full range of prophylactics: “custom fit”, “average size”, “snugger fit”, etc. So might I suggest that the bias is less to do with endowment, and more in the direction of folks who are too shy to buy them off the rack at Rite Aid?

      • salb918 Mar 25,2010 8:24 am || Up

        This reminds me of a story: when I was in high school, my best friend, who is a girl, and I decided to buy some “adult” gifts for a mutual friend’s 18th birthday – lottery ticket, pornographic magazine, cigarettes, etc. (We were the mature type, you can tell.)

        One of the items on the list was condoms. When we pulled up to the convenience store, my friend refused to get out of the car. She didn’t want to be seen with me around town buying condoms (we had been a somewhat conspicuous non-item among mutual friends). For reasons I couldn’t fully articulate (nor, at this point, recall), I was furious with her.

        So in I went to purchase the condoms, and of course the woman behind the counter was sub-continental, and did she ever give me the *most* disappointed “what-is-happening-to-our-immigrant-children” look.

        I don’t think I had a point, other than to recall the incident.

        • mk Mar 25,2010 9:29 am || Up

          I wonder if the Internet availability of embarrassing purchases (condoms, pornography, Papelbon jerseys, etc.) has increased the gross sales of those things, or simply shifted sales from over-the-counter to the cybersphere.

          • salb918 Mar 25,2010 9:39 am || Up

            Re: Papelbon jerseys, that’s an increased sale of gross things.

      • salb918 Mar 25,2010 8:25 am || Up

        Speaking of which, the “going to Harvard” euphemism takes on an interesting meaning when you consider their comically large endowment.

        • monkeyball Mar 25,2010 9:25 am || Up

          But, according to Yglesias, they never actually do anything useful or fun with it.

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          • nevermoor Mar 25,2010 2:10 pm || Up

            It’s purely to spite those of us who went to more fun schools with smaller endowments (in other words, the global population)

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • green star oakland Mar 25,2010 10:56 am || Up

        But these aren’t the only choices – why would anyone buy the presumably more expensive Condomania “average size” rather than just buying regular condoms online?

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
        • mk Mar 25,2010 11:57 am || Up

          Excellent point. I don’t know the answer, but whatever conclusion we reach, I feel like what is happening here is a victory for science.

    • nevermoor Mar 25,2010 2:11 pm || Up

      For the record, this has more to do with ego “I buy XL condoms, hur hur” than actual size. You could put your fist in an over-the-counter trojan, and if you’re bigger than a human fist you don’t have a need to buy condoms.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • green star oakland Mar 25,2010 4:40 pm || Up

        That’s not what they are reporting though (they’re claiming a normal distribution), and with anonymous purchasing that’s likely less of an issue.

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
        • nevermoor Mar 25,2010 9:57 pm || Up

          I’m saying condom size has nothing to do with actual size.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • green star oakland Mar 25,2010 10:49 pm || Up

            But if you’re saying that a significant fraction of men order over-sized condoms (hur hur), that would skew the distribution towards the high side – not a bell curve.

            If we exclude the possibility that as many men under- as over-exaggerate, then the observation of a normal distribution has to reflect the population as a whole, in which case I’m still left wondering what the benefit for the “average” buyer is.

            Now that I’m home I can see the website; I’m guessing that their distribution reflects only the orders for their “Custom Fit” line, which has 70 size-choices, with the right one determined by printing out and measuring off against their “FitKit”. So now my question is:

            What the fuck is the wizard about?

            If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
            • monkeyball Mar 26,2010 12:06 am || Up

              About sal’s height?

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            • nevermoor Mar 26,2010 10:03 am || Up

              Egads, why is buying condoms turning into buying shoes.

              Must be awkward for the salesperson in charge of lacing them up.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • monkeyball Mar 26,2010 11:09 am || Up

                The condom is the glass slipper of our generation.

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                • Poppy Mar 27,2010 12:43 pm || Up

                  When Mr. Poppy & I were imprisoned living at Stanford, we used to {snerk} at the name of this place every time we drove by it…

                  There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
                • Leopold Bloom Mar 27,2010 1:02 pm || Up

                  Were you guys part of that famous study with the prisoners and the guards?!

                • Poppy Mar 27,2010 1:17 pm || Up

                  Only if “prisoners” = undergrads & their families living on campus, and “guards” = grad students’ wives who were my neighbors and for some reason didn’t need jobs while their husbands were in school, so they had lots of time to make little judgmental comments to/about me and the fact that I never brought my baby over for the kaffeeklatches they liked to have every weekday morning… while I was working.

                  There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
                • Leopold Bloom Mar 27,2010 1:30 pm || Up

                  I had similar experiences at Chicago. Well, not with wives, but with other students. And it was all grad school. And it was mainly the prefect of my cohort, who I wanted to stab repeatedly in the neck with a salad fork. And about four or five others, who were haters. And I like the word kaffeelatches and I can kind of guess what it means, but I don’t know that I heard it before. And I didn’t have a husband in Chicago.

                  But other than that, it was just like that.

                • Poppy Mar 27,2010 1:55 pm || Up

                  Have you had a husband elsewhere?

                  There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
                • Leopold Bloom Mar 27,2010 2:22 pm || Up

                  maybe.

                • salb918 Mar 27,2010 2:55 pm || Up

                  If it’s anything like grad students where I am, it’s that the wives can’t work because of visa issues.

                • Poppy Mar 27,2010 5:26 pm || Up

                  Can’t speak for current demographics, but most of the families in our little housing court at that time (1990-91) — certainly the women that were the bitchiest toward me — were American.

                  There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
                • Leopold Bloom Mar 27,2010 5:37 pm || Up

                  did you slash their tires?

                • salb918 Mar 27,2010 5:44 pm || Up

                  probably b-student wives.

  2. salb918 Mar 25,2010 7:41 am

    More on dicks.

    1. The author has no idea what “game of inches” means.
    2. How does the size of Gosselin’s member relate to the stereotype of Asian penises? If he’s got a small dick, he’s got a small dick. None of the jilted exes mentioned his ethinicity as far as I can tell.
    3. The author asserts that the Asian penis isn’t that much shorter, but the plot that he links to doesn’t really support that case.

    4. He didn’t mention the size of the Asian porn actor’s penis. Did he break into the industry with an average penis, an average Asian penis, or the average porn penis?
    5. From the comments: “Dude, I should have studied ethnic studies. I could be sitting around thinking about the size of different minorities wieners. I blew it.” Was the second sentence intentional?

    • mk Mar 25,2010 8:22 am || Up

      1. No kidding. Insert joke about “blowing your lede”.

    • salb918 Mar 25,2010 8:28 am || Up

      Also, I am interested after that article to know what, if any, the correlation between physical stature (height and weight) and penis size is, and whether that explains the ethnic differences observed.

  3. salb918 Mar 25,2010 7:54 am

    This reminds me of the (unrelated) hype a few years ago around the Hydrogen Economy and the fuel cell car. Who’s going to voluntary ride in seats that ride atop a canister of highly compressed hydrogen?

    • doctorK Mar 25,2010 8:36 am || Up

      Oh wow – four cars out of about 30,000 is a defect rate of 133 ppm. According to the standards given by the automotive industry to its suppliers, that is 133 ppm too high. Something tells me Tata Motors has a little bit of work to do.

  4. Ice Cream Mar 25,2010 8:17 am

    Re: 1. Nothing wrong with disco. Some of it was pretty darned good. The people who hated disco were mostly white guys who couldn’t dance.

    This one was one I liked:

    “>

    STOMP!

    Where is the good in "good-bye"?
  5. salb918 Mar 25,2010 8:31 am

    Re: 2. Conspicuous consumption, perhaps? I’ve never had caviar, but is it really any good, or is it just a status symbol? Another version of that story that I read said that the undercover diners who busted the restaurant were vegans. Why would you use vegans for that purpose? Couldn’t they find any whale-loving carnivores?

    • mk Mar 25,2010 9:47 am || Up

      I don’t know, I got the impression they were disguising it as something else (like, it didn’t say “illegal endangered whale meat” on the menu), which would invalidate the conspicuous consumption theory. The story is vague on that aspect, though.

      Just seems like an absurd failure of cost-benefit analysis. I mean, I’m no foodie, but aren’t there about a billion different things you can make sushi out of, many of them plenty pricey/elitist, if that’s what you’re aiming for?

      • salb918 Mar 25,2010 9:57 am || Up

        I was under the impression that intheknowdiners would order via code (“3×3, animal style”), and that this was a well-known if not well-publicized fact. I could be wrong, though.

        • nevermoor Mar 25,2010 2:16 pm || Up

          If you don’t know how to order it you can’t afford it.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  6. monkeyball Mar 25,2010 9:37 am

    Weird. Anyone else think Target Field looks like they skinned the Coliseum and cinched it over the superstructure of Warrantless Wiretap Park?

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  7. mk Mar 25,2010 9:39 am

    It does seem that so long as the definition of “personality disorder” is elusive/evolving/endlessly caveated, attempts to pigeonhole it for the purposes of civil commitment will by definition be fruitless:

    As Constance Holden reports in the current edition of Science magazine, “Personality disorders are hard to pin down. They don’t have a common defining mood or behavior, people don’t get hospitalized for having one, and a drug won’t cure one.”

    If that sounds tricky, wait until the American Psychiatric Association adds layer upon layer of new complexity, and in the process completely scraps the definition as reified by government entities such as the Washington state legislature.

    […]

    And in forensic contexts, how will terms such as “culturally adaptive,” “empathy,” “cooperativeness,” “negative emotionality,” and “antagonism” be operationalized? Based on research into how forensic evaluators decide about other value-laden constructs such as psychopathy and risk, dare I predict partisan allegiance will rear its ugly head?

  8. monkeyball Mar 25,2010 10:25 am
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • andeux Mar 25,2010 10:54 am || Up

      I’ll be rooting for X’Zavier Bloodsaw. Bad luck for him being in the same bracket as Nohjay Nimpson, though.
      Didn’t Dr. Festus Dada show up in some news story recently?

      TINSTAAFK
      • andeux Mar 25,2010 11:01 am || Up
        TINSTAAFK
        • salb918 Mar 25,2010 11:04 am || Up

          Love xbx’s snark on that one.

        • monkeyball Mar 25,2010 11:16 am || Up

          The sequiturs in that thread are very non

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          • salb918 Mar 25,2010 11:19 am || Up

            No, because that would mean DL’ing either Braden or Duke to start the season.

  9. andeux Mar 25,2010 10:31 am

    re: Wallander.

    On Monday nights, KCSM shows an international mystery subtitled in English. They rotate among ones from different countries – Italy (Montalbano and Coliandro), Germany (Ballauf&Schenk), France (Maigret), Sweden (Wallander), Norway (Varg Veum). Anyway, the original Wallander is quite good. I can’t compare with the BBC remake, which I haven’t seen (but will look for).

    TINSTAAFK
    • mk Mar 25,2010 10:40 am || Up

      I was wondering if the original was worth queueing, thanks.

      The BBC version takes place in Sweden, and all the writing and signs and whatnot are in Swedish, though of course the actors are speaking English. The juxtaposition is less jarring than I though it would be.

      • salb918 Mar 25,2010 10:46 am || Up

        Being in Sweden, surrounded by Swedish writing and signs and whatnot, but hearing English all around us was our experience in Stockholm and Gothenburg last summer. I felt very uncomfortable that Swedes who struggled with English would apologize to me – I come to your country as a tourist, don’t bother to learn even the basics of your language, and you’re apologizing to me?

        • nevermoor Mar 25,2010 2:22 pm || Up

          Greenbacks.

          Also, I liked Wallander when they ran it on PBS’s Mystery franchise.

          Finally, all references to Ken Branagh remind me of this classic moment in Blackadder.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  10. mk Mar 25,2010 10:38 am

    Herzog narrates the life of a plastic bag (first person):

    “And the darkness began. I don’t know for how long, and what did it really matter? That world decomposed. It was eaten by monsters, some too small for me to even see. Not me. I remained. I was strong and smart and I would find my maker.”

  11. salb918 Mar 25,2010 10:54 am

    Uh-oh.

    Rep. Eric Cantor, the No. 2 Republican in the House of Representatives, said Thursday that a bullet had been fired through a window at his district office in Richmond, Virginia.

    If true, it conforms to my belief that loonies know no political boundaries (cue monkeyball with a conspiracy theory).

    Also:

    [Stupak] has released a threatening voice mail that he received.

    “Stupak, you are a lowlife, baby-murdering scumbag, pile of steaming crap. You’re a cowardly punk, Stupak, that’s what you are. You and your family are scum,” an unidentified caller said. “That’s what you are, Stupak. You are a piece of crap.”

    “Go to hell, you piece of [expletive deleted]” another called said.

    Are those really threatening messages? Surely they are impolite, but they sound more like angry disapproval then threatening. I’m sure various lefties wanted to say the exact same thing, without the baby-murdering remark, to Stupak in the HCR run-up. I mean, if he’s going to say he received a threatening message, I want some serious Elijah Dukes style voicemails. I ain’t even shitting, dawg.

    • monkeyball Mar 25,2010 11:08 am || Up

      Uh-huh. Suuuuuuuuuuuure, Eric:

      Late late update: The Associated Press is calling this a “possible gunshot” and describes the office as that of a political consultant for Cantor, not his campaign office.

      But Cantor’s spokesman, Brad Dayspring, tells TPMDC that it was indeed his campaign office.

      Several Republican campaigns and consultants are housed in the same building, the Reagan Building, including Bolling For Lt Governor‎, Cantor for Congress‎, Creative Direct LLC‎, LaCivita Consulting LLC‎ and Marcus & Allen LLC‎.

      Late late late update: From the local paper: “Cantor, in an interview with the Richmond Times-Dispatch, said he doesn’t know whether the shot was random or aimed at the building.”

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      • andeux Mar 25,2010 11:20 am || Up

        Marcus & Allen LLC

        Police are inquiring as to Al Davis’ whereabouts.

        TINSTAAFK
      • salb918 Mar 25,2010 11:20 am || Up

        Take the Skinheads Bolling For Lt Governor Columbine

      • Poppy Mar 25,2010 12:19 pm || Up

        I read “Boiling For Lt. Governor” and wondered if that’s like Dialing For Dollars or Bowling For Soup.

        I’m just hearing & reading things really oddly today (see my comment below [soon] re: odd hearing)…

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    • monkeyball Mar 25,2010 11:09 am || Up

      {looks up “b918, sal” in Boston phone book}

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    • monkeyball Mar 25,2010 12:48 pm || Up

      Aaaaaaaaaaaand debunked

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • Poppy Mar 25,2010 1:03 pm || Up

        Douche.

        There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
      • mk Mar 25,2010 1:04 pm || Up

        Ezra had a typically cogent take on this yesterday:

        I remember listening to the debate the night the House passed the Senate bill and the reconciliation fixes. There are a lot of critiques I could imagine folks on the right making of the legislation. “Regulations to define a minimum insurance benefit will impede innovation in low-deductible plans.” “Congress doesn’t have the will to stick to the cost savings, and until they prove able to do so, we can’t pass a new health-care entitlement.” “The health-care system is broken, and adding a new benefit doesn’t make sense outside the context of radical reform, as it will just create a new set of stakeholders who will resist the necessary changes.”

        But totalitarianism? Death panels? The end of America as we know it?

        […]

        Some will hear this stuff and really be afraid of the bill. And then a small group will hear this stuff and believe it and wonder whether they need to do something more significant to stop this bill from becoming law.

        You can’t count on people to simply cower when they’re afraid, or write letters to the editor. Sometimes, they fight. It’s a dangerous emotion, and high as the stakes are, public figures need to be a lot more careful manipulating it.

    • monkeyball Mar 25,2010 2:16 pm || Up
      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • andeux Mar 25,2010 2:22 pm || Up

        Palin around with terrorists.

        TINSTAAFK
      • salb918 Mar 25,2010 2:24 pm || Up

        Out of curiousity, why does MY call this nutjob a “tea party” blogger? Is “tea party” a general term for *any* right wing whackjob?

        • monkeyball Mar 25,2010 2:32 pm || Up

          Not MY, but a different blogger for his parent org.

          Yeah, looks to me like he’s not TP-affiliated.

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • nevermoor Mar 25,2010 2:36 pm || Up

          I think it sort of has. Which is in part too bad, but in part understandable(as there are like 1000 different competing tea party orgs)

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • nevermoor Mar 25,2010 2:25 pm || Up

      So Cantor is full of shit (although he personally may only have been told the (true) story that a bullet came through the window.

      I agree that the Supak call isn’t that bad. Apparently others have gotten calls involving words like “sniper” and “noose”, though, which probably cross the line.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • salb918 Mar 25,2010 2:30 pm || Up

        Yeah, those definitely cross over to threatening.

        • monkeyball Mar 25,2010 2:36 pm || Up

          Wait — pictures of gunsights, following an admonition to “Reload,” do not cross over, but mere pictures of nooses and the word “sniper” do?

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • nevermoor Mar 25,2010 3:00 pm || Up

            Not pictures, phone calls.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  12. salb918 Mar 25,2010 11:32 am

    The Giants have done a pretty decent job, but they could really be a good team if they had any idea how to improve themselves at the margins rather than to stupid stuff like this.

  13. Poppy Mar 25,2010 12:25 pm

    I walked past a Latino guy advertising dollar tacos somewhere on or near campus (I assume… they at least weren’t near him right then). He had a sign and was also shouting, “Tacos a dollar! Tacos a dollar!” But he had a very thick accent, so I heard “Tacos a dolor!” Why would I want those?

    There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
    • salb918 Mar 25,2010 12:28 pm || Up

      I’m going to open a taco truck called Lorem Ipsum Dollar Taco.

      • monkeyball Mar 25,2010 12:37 pm || Up

        … and it’ll serve Greek food?

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • salb918 Mar 25,2010 12:45 pm || Up

          Admit it, you played theremin for The Greek Taco, didn’t you?

          • monkeyball Mar 25,2010 12:49 pm || Up

            I’ve never even met Arianna Huffington!

            you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  14. Poppy Mar 25,2010 12:33 pm

    In the Journo/Mass Comm student lounge right now. There’s an Advertising Club group working on some project related to gender-specific alcohol marketing or something… I wasn’t really listening until their faculty advisor came in to check on their progress and recommended (seriously, for research purposes) that they should think about drinking more than usual next week (Spring Break). I started laughing.

    There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
  15. mikeA Mar 25,2010 1:18 pm
    • monkeyball Mar 25,2010 1:58 pm || Up

      I’m anticipating JL’s take on the proposed LDS reform.

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor Mar 25,2010 2:27 pm || Up

      1 day.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  16. Leopold Bloom Mar 25,2010 1:30 pm

    This is an awesome grill, mk.

    Is it okay if I prefer The Oak Ridge Boys version of that song? I was raised on it, not that Emmylou can’t sing her ass off.

  17. nevermoor Mar 25,2010 3:01 pm
    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  18. monkeyball Mar 25,2010 4:24 pm

    Holy crap — Butler’s out to a 10-1 lead on Syracuse. That’d drag Ice Cream back to the pack …

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • Ice Cream Mar 25,2010 4:43 pm || Up

      and who doesn’t like packed Ice Cream?

      Where is the good in "good-bye"?
      • monkeyball Mar 25,2010 4:48 pm || Up

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • Ice Cream Mar 25,2010 6:14 pm || Up

          Syracuse loses. Now the race is beginning to tighten up.

          Where is the good in "good-bye"?
          • Leopold Bloom Mar 25,2010 6:35 pm || Up

            Archie Bell and the Drells?! Rock on!

          • nevermoor Mar 25,2010 9:58 pm || Up

            What a day. That and K State.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  19. mk Mar 25,2010 4:41 pm

    Anyone have an opinion as to whether marijuana legalization has a chance of passing in CA (and whether or not it’s a good idea)?

    Proponents of the “Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010” say the measure’s passage could hinge on voters’ acceptance of marijuana’s potential to rescue California’s beleaguered fiscal coffers.

    California’s annual pot crop is worth about $14 billion, according to the State Board of Equalization. It estimates that legalization and taxation could bring in up to $1.4 billion in revenue.

    […]

    But the medical pot community may be split on legalization. … With a proposed $50 per ounce state levy on retail pot sales, Gasparas worried that current medical growers won’t earn enough to “cover their electric bills, rent and time.”

    The economics of pot are a mystery to me, but the complaints voiced in the article sound suspiciously like the hyperventilating martyr boilerplate Chamber of Commerce types roll out anytime anyone suggests a tax on anything.

    • salb918 Mar 25,2010 4:48 pm || Up

      Here is a somewhat measured public health take.

      I would guess that legalization for adults would result in increased pot somking for teens. If Gurley is correct that pot smoking among teens is a public health issue, then that would be a potential downside to legalization.

      • dmoas Mar 25,2010 8:31 pm || Up

        Meh. Kids who would smoke pot would or do smoke cigarettes now.

        • salb918 Mar 26,2010 6:44 am || Up

          I doubt that it would be a one-to-one mapping, especially because the cost is likely to be so high. I wonder if the price of pot will go up or down?

        • andeux Mar 26,2010 10:17 am || Up

          Lots of people smoke pot but don’t smoke cigarettes. Especially in California.

          On the other hand, I’m not convinced that teens smoking pot is as big a problem from the public health point of view as teens smoking tobacco. Tobacco is highly carcinogenic, highly physically addictive, and just about everyone who smokes starts as a teen. None of those things is true of marijuana.

          TINSTAAFK
      • mikeA Mar 25,2010 9:53 pm || Up

        I don’t think it’s obvious that it would result in more smoking for teens, as it would likely substantially kill the black market. Probably not a huge effect. A lot would depend on what depend on what happens to the price; from that article it looks like the price would probably go down which would lead to higher use. In any event, it’s hard to see how getting some tax revenue out of it isn’t a good idea.

        • salb918 Mar 26,2010 6:48 am || Up

          I wonder if a marijuana tax would be more likely to take money out of the pockets of the poor or the wealthy, or if there would be no difference.

          If someone’s cool older cousin would be willing to buy them some booze, then that cool older cousin will probably pass some weed as well. I would guess that legalization would open this route to marijuana transfer to teens.

      • nevermoor Mar 25,2010 9:59 pm || Up

        I don’t know enough of the science, but if MJ is as bad for you as some say (and I know it can do damage) then it shouldn’t be legal except as medicine. Not allowing it as medicine is just plain stupid.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 25,2010 10:27 pm || Up

        I’m (unsurprisingly) a big fan of legalization. And I think Gurley’s second-hand smoke and childproofing concerns are silly. But the schizophrenia connection is interesting, and I’ve always been fascinated by the driving-while-high subject. Speaking clinically, of course.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Future Ed Mar 27,2010 12:41 am || Up

          The problem (from law enforcement’s view) is not being able to test for it so a slam dunk DUI (vc 23152(b)) that requires a BAC of .08 or higher is not possible. there is another charge that requires only that the driver being “under the influence.” “under the influence” is rarely sought when someone shows signs of meth, cocaine or mj now.

          The cops DAs and courts will be just fine. they will charge a ton of people with DUI and the arresting officer will come in and recite the list of bogus objective symptoms of intoxication that they do now and get their conviction.

          I don’t know what the statistics on whether driving high is as dangerous as drivng drunk are.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • Leopold Bloom Mar 27,2010 2:47 am || Up

            Having done plenty of both, I can assure you from an anecdotal standpoint, it’s MUCH MUCH worse to drive drunk, particularly if you’re really drunk.

            • dmoas Mar 27,2010 9:10 am || Up

              I don’t know. Back when I commuted into the city for school, I saw a dude in traffic with his entire car smoked up with MJ. I’d be shocked if he could see where he was going let alone drive straight while high as a moon.

              • sslinger Mar 27,2010 10:40 am || Up

                I love the old Cheech & Chong bit where they get pulled over on the freeway by a cop:

                Cop: “Do you know how fast you were going?”
                Chong: “I don’t know, maybe 60, 65.”
                Cop: “You were going five. Miles. An hour.”

                • dmoas Mar 27,2010 11:00 am || Up

                  They copied that in Black Sheep too. And they pulled into the center of the road. Ro-ad.

          • FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 27,2010 3:10 pm || Up

            Sure, the DA can always get a conviction if he wants one and has a cop who’ll testify to symptoms, but that still is way more unwieldy than a clean .08, esp since there’s an on-the-spot test for BAC. AFAIK there’s no curbside test for pot, and even clinically I don’t know that a test can distinguish time and volume of use…supposedly a regular smoker tests positive even if he hasn’t smoked for several days.

            The length of time after smoking that it takes for any impairment to dissipate has no commonly accepted standard and hasn’t been very well studied. I imagine that if pot became legal they’d pass some sort of standard like any use w/in ___ hours of driving (4? 6?) is an automatic DUI.

            In my, um, experience, pot’s effects on motor skills are less significant and subside much more quickly than alcohol. But I sure wouldn’t want to have to try and convince a cop/judge/jury of that.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • sslinger Mar 25,2010 10:16 pm || Up

      I was listening to NPR down in LA the last couple of days, and they had a retired judge supporting the bill. In addition to the $1.4 billion in revenue, there is roughly another billion in savings from reducing law enforcement efforts and incarceration of non-violent pot offenders. And he addressed the issue of teen use, saying regulation would make it harder for them to get it, as it’s easier for them to get it now than to buy alcohol. (I’m not sure how well that’s supported by statistics, but it is often asserted anecdotally.)

    • andeux Mar 26,2010 10:32 am || Up

      I think the risks and the economic benefits to the state are both being overstated.

      The latter is complicated, and will depend on how much what is currently a large underground economy moves above ground, which in turn will depend in part on whether the federal government decides to respect the new state law or enforce federal law. I think it’s extremely unlikely, for several reasons, that mainstream stores will start selling pot. If the feds take a hands off approach, we may start to see places like the current medical marijuana clubs, but not requiring a prescription, spring up. (Berkeley actually had one of these for a couple years in the late 90’s. It was … amusing.) In that case, I would think the state could start to collect a significant amount of tax revenue. If not, then I wouldn’t expect much change at all, except maybe a few more people growing for their own use, and the state wouldn’t stand to collect much at all, as there would be little incentive (and possibly negative incentives) for a dealer or grower to report their activity to the state.

      TINSTAAFK
      • mk Mar 26,2010 4:08 pm || Up

        which in turn will depend in part on whether the federal government decides to respect the new state law or enforce federal law

        Holder has indicated pretty strongly that DOJ will defer to state law.

        • andeux Mar 26,2010 4:34 pm || Up

          For medical use, yes (even though it is still Schedule 1, which, by the way, is completely insane). The political calculation may be different for recreational use.

          TINSTAAFK
          • nevermoor Mar 26,2010 4:42 pm || Up

            And for the next GOP-run DOJ.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • mk Mar 26,2010 4:52 pm || Up

            Right, but I think the implication is clear that they intend to pull back regardless, as part of a more general reorientation of DOJ priorities.

            I could be off base here, but I don’t see California’s drug laws gaining traction as a nationwide issue (and therefore informing administration decision-making in the way you suggest). Too many other big ticket fights eating up the narrative oxygen.

            • FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 26,2010 5:35 pm || Up

              Boy, that sure ain’t how I see it. Dope-smoking destroyers of family culture sounds like a classic righty campaign bogeyman to me.

              "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
              • mk Mar 26,2010 5:44 pm || Up

                Just because it’s a good issue doesn’t mean there’s space for it, or that it’s the best issue. HCR, immigration, financial regulation, carbon pricing … given the BFD national legislation the GOP will be mobilizing to derail/running in opposition to, and which will be preoccupying the media, I’d be shocked if much attention were devoted to this outside of California.

                I’ll bet you and andeux a single serving kraut packet each.

                • nevermoor Mar 26,2010 6:10 pm || Up

                  I want in, if it were legalized of course.

                  It would fill the “Dems = communists” space since that one’s silly and “Dems want your kids to smoke weed” is more immediate/true.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • mk Mar 26,2010 6:46 pm || Up

                  Upon further rumination, I have concluded that I am correct, and I’m happy to put my kraut packets where my mouth is. So to speak.

                • Leopold Bloom Mar 26,2010 7:14 pm || Up

                  You have no single serving kraut packets.

                  I’m the only one with access to those and I’m not sharing.

                  Though I might have to make a trip to the Trop early in April and load up for my return…it would go well with the late night swag run…

              • nevermoor Mar 26,2010 5:52 pm || Up

                Punching hippies is fun. Punching pot-smoking California hippies is way better.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • sslinger Mar 26,2010 7:22 pm || Up

                  Don’t underestimate the red state love for the green weed.

                • Leopold Bloom Mar 26,2010 9:04 pm || Up

                  I’ve known a lot of hillbillies that smoke weed. Hank III is the poster child for illegal drug use and rednecks.

                • nevermoor Mar 26,2010 10:29 pm || Up

                  I thought that was meth.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • Leopold Bloom Mar 27,2010 12:13 am || Up

                  Well, meth goes along with all that, too.

  20. monkeyball Mar 25,2010 5:19 pm

    Finally watched both Breaking Bad s3e1 and the pilot of Justified. BB was … ok. Not bad, not disappointing, just … ok. Needed more Saul. Justified was … ok. I’m not as sold on it as Goodman was, but not quite so down on it as xbx. Good to see Walton Goggins turning on the homicidal hillbilly charm, and I’m a huge fan of Olyphant, but … it all felt a bit … sketchy/underdeveloped.

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  21. green star oakland Mar 25,2010 9:14 pm

    Holy crap.
    X v KS.

    If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 25,2010 9:35 pm || Up

      Amazing game. X just kept hitting preposterously big shot after preposterously big shot, until they finally ran dry.

      Made all the better by Gus Johnson, the best dramatic finish play-by-play guy in TV today.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Leopold Bloom Mar 25,2010 9:39 pm || Up

        he does get excited.

        • Soaker Mar 25,2010 10:19 pm || Up

          “Screamin’ Gus” from a game last September (WARNING: CONTAINS FOOTBALL CONTENT):
          Denver at Cincinnati, Sept. 13, 2009

          He gets a bit too high-pitched for my taste.

          What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
          • Leopold Bloom Mar 26,2010 12:00 am || Up

            thanks for linking to that.

            Why don’t you book a plane trip to Sarasota and come kick me in the nuts, too?

          • batgirl Mar 26,2010 11:19 am || Up

            You officially just made my day.

            • Leopold Bloom Mar 26,2010 2:15 pm || Up

              Thanks for reveling in my football version of Jeremy not sliding.

              • batgirl Mar 26,2010 3:00 pm || Up

                I’m sorry for your pain, however I’m only reveling in my football version of Scutaro’s walkoff against Mariano Rivera.

                Also, Broncos rule, Bengals drool.

                • Leopold Bloom Mar 26,2010 3:06 pm || Up

                  Remind me to not send you any booty from my super secret late night swag run.

      • nevermoor Mar 25,2010 10:00 pm || Up

        Yeah. I’m sort of surprised they never launched from half court.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • green star oakland Mar 25,2010 10:12 pm || Up

        So here’s my question (and I know nothing of basketball) …

        The announcers were singing the praises of X’s 3-point shooter’s 40% success rate, which implies an expected points-per-play of 1.2, so you’d have to have less than a 60% chance of making the 2-point play for that to be a better option. Is it really that low?

        Assuming a 70% free shooter (is that reasonable?), the outcomes and expected points are
        * the 2-point shot – 2.0 x P(hits 2)
        * the 2 free throws – 1.4
        * the 3 free throws – 2.1
        * the no-play turnover – 0.0 x P(turns)
        So playing sudden death overtime, if half the plays end in fouls and half in 2-point shots (i.e. you don’t rely on or make mistakes) then wouldn’t you have to have a less than 50% chance of making 2 to risk 3?

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
        • mikeA Mar 25,2010 10:31 pm || Up

          All of college basketball as a whole hovers around a 50% “true shooting percentage,” which is points from each type of attempt divided by attempts (with free throw attempts being .5.) So a 40% 3-point shooter is at 60%, which is way above the 50% average. Another way of saying that is the average is roughly 1 point per possession (1.008 this year.)

          D-I averages are 34.4 3P%, 47.7 2P% and 68.9 FT%. It looks from that like teams maybe take too many 3s by a hair, but it’s pretty efficient. In any case, for the most part teams are trying to get whatever good shot they can, and don’t really face the choice of “going for a 2” vs. “going for a 3.” A layup is always a good shot, and an open 3 by any reasonably good 3-point shooter will also pretty much always be a good shot.

          • mikeA Mar 25,2010 10:44 pm || Up

            Some of that first paragraph doesn’t make sense(ignores turnovers.) stats from here. not sure what the “offensive efficiency” (the 1.008) is, since it’s different from the 48.9 effective fg%…

            • nevermoor Mar 26,2010 10:05 am || Up

              iFSU mikeA criticizes mikeA

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • green star oakland Mar 25,2010 10:57 pm || Up

            Thanks – that’s what I was looking for.

            If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • sslinger Mar 25,2010 10:17 pm || Up

        I enjoyed listening to part of it on the radio with Ted Robinson calling it.

        • FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 25,2010 10:35 pm || Up

          I’ve always liked Ted Robinson, a great multi-sport pro. He could do solid, informative pxp of a quilting bee.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  22. FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 25,2010 10:00 pm

    This is a fine McGrill-LD, mr. mk, sir.

    Also: Strawberry Letter 23.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  23. sslinger Mar 25,2010 10:21 pm

    MK – I just wanted to say I enjoyed the Grill starter you put together. I’m just checking back in now after a day on the road, but it was interesting and fun to read this morning. Just goes to show random esoterica can’t compete with genitalia.

  24. doctorK Mar 26,2010 9:42 am

    Here ya go, Bloomy

  25. nevermoor Mar 26,2010 10:09 am
    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  26. nevermoor Mar 26,2010 10:10 am

    This is pretty bad. (if true)

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  27. monkeyball Mar 26,2010 11:11 am

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • mikeA Mar 26,2010 11:26 am || Up

      It’s pretty much impossible not to laugh at Romney‘s book.

  28. nevermoor Mar 26,2010 12:25 pm

    I’d like to propose a shout out for Ice Cream, who nailed St. Mary’s run.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • Ice Cream Mar 26,2010 12:48 pm || Up

      Thanks but I’m hoping I didn’t nail their run and that it continues this afternoon.

      Screw the pool. If they could beat Baylor … I’ll be crying big-time.

      I love rooting for the underdog especially when it’s a local team.

      [See 1972 A’s]

      Where is the good in "good-bye"?
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 26,2010 1:18 pm || Up

        Ditto. I’m also rooting hard for Northern Iowa, as the little guy, out of general dislike for MSU, and because I have ’em in my Suicide Pool this round.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • nevermoor Mar 26,2010 1:20 pm || Up

        I’m deeply conflicted. Mrs. Nevermoor went to Baylor (which always sucks at everything), so this is a big deal for her too. Baylor hadn’t won a tourney game since like 1950.

        So really, they’re both underdogs.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 26,2010 1:26 pm || Up

          That, and also, how can you not love a basketball program on the rebound from a teammate-on-teammate murder and coverup scandal which nearly destroyed it?

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • mikeA Mar 26,2010 4:34 pm || Up

          They are mean to bears.

          • nevermoor Mar 26,2010 4:43 pm || Up

            You calling them Self-hating bears?

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • whiteshoes40 Mar 26,2010 6:54 pm || Up

            They *are* mean to bears. I mean, the bears are adorable, but making them live in an outdoor area during the summer in Texas? Not nice. (They have a waterfall and pool and small indoor area too, but still.)

            Also, everything on campus/in Waco is named after bears. Dancing Bear (pub), Bad Bear Liquor (liquor store), Bear Trail (running path), Bearathon (half-marathon), BearBucks (money that students [well, students’ parents] put on their ID cards to use on campus), BearWeb (internal website)… it goes on. That’s cruelty to the word “bear.”

            That said, people are pretty excited about this whole basketball thing…

            • Leopold Bloom Mar 26,2010 7:15 pm || Up

              they got pretty colors and the crickets are huge there, I hear.

            • nevermoor Mar 26,2010 10:14 pm || Up

              Cal students are unimpressed.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  29. FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 26,2010 1:26 pm

    You Are Here:

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Leopold Bloom Mar 26,2010 2:16 pm || Up

      Fuck, I’m a geek.

      • salb918 Mar 26,2010 2:31 pm || Up

        I think I’m a dweeb, but I’m not sure.

        • nevermoor Mar 26,2010 2:39 pm || Up

          I’m clearly “intelligence”

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • dmoas Mar 26,2010 6:02 pm || Up

        That’s okay, I’m a dweeb.

    • Poppy Mar 27,2010 12:52 pm || Up

      I think I’m a dweeb. I’ve been looking at this for a really long time, thinking about it for the last 24 hours (no, wait… 23.5 hours), poring over old diaries, trying to get my husband to help me analyze it…

      Okay. Nerd. I’m a nerd.

      There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
      • Ice Cream Mar 27,2010 2:17 pm || Up

        All I see is giant overlapping Easter M&Ms.

        Where is the good in "good-bye"?
        • Leopold Bloom Mar 27,2010 2:23 pm || Up

          well, you got the obsession part down…

  30. batgirl Mar 26,2010 3:03 pm

    Fun A’s trivia from my baseball page-a-day 2010 calendar:

    Boston’s comeback from a seven-run deficit against Tampa bay in Game 4 of the 2008 ALCS was the second biggest comeback in postseason history. The biggest occurred in Game 4 of the 1929 World Series, when the Philadelphia A’s were down 8-0, but scored 10 runs in the bottom of the 7th to beat the Cubs 10-8. The A’s clinched the Series the following day.

    • sslinger Mar 26,2010 3:50 pm || Up

      That happened on March 26th? I didn’t realize they played the Series so early back then.

  31. mikeA Mar 26,2010 4:43 pm

    Barton: 0-0 4 BB. 7/14 K/BB for the spring. .543 OBP.

    • andeux Mar 26,2010 4:50 pm || Up

      For the record, I share your (and sal’s) Barton optimism for this year.

      TINSTAAFK
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 26,2010 5:42 pm || Up

        I continue to expect Barton to suck. Though I want very much to believe the encouraging words from all you learned folk, I ain’t feeling it yet.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • andeux Mar 26,2010 5:50 pm || Up

          OK, but I have it on good authority that the three of us are never wrong about baseball.

          TINSTAAFK
      • nevermoor Mar 26,2010 5:53 pm || Up

        I’ve been pro-Barton for over a year (you’ll recall my pre-FK anti-Giambi stance)

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • salb918 Mar 26,2010 6:19 pm || Up

        Oh, I’m not optimistic, just hopeful.

  32. FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 26,2010 5:58 pm
    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  33. monkeyball Mar 26,2010 6:27 pm

    Ah, I see. Sorry, sal, you were right.

    “ ‘Take up your arms’ means voting,”

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  34. Leopold Bloom Mar 26,2010 9:08 pm

    I usually leave it to Catholics and ex-Catholics to make fun of their religion, but this is extremely messy here.

  35. FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 27,2010 4:11 pm

    I’m in big trouble.

    I’m in an NCAA pool with a bunch of people I’ve known for 20+ years. About 15 years ago I convinced Mrs. Upgrade (Girlfriend Upgrade at the time) that she too should enter a bracket. I was searching for a way to make the household-dominating 80 hours of hoops on TV more acceptable to my sports-agnostic partner. And the strategy has worked brilliantly…she follows games and gets excited because she has a stake in the outcome, and I get to drink beer eat bad food and watch TV hoops for days on end.

    She usually asks me to take a look at her bracket pre-submittal to suggest changes to any really, really bad choices. This year, I saw one thing which I thought was be sure to knock her out of the pool by the first Sunday, so I talked her out the pick. It was Butler in the Final Four.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  36. monkeyball Mar 27,2010 10:26 pm

    Hey, you guys — Jaclyn Friedman is available.

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 12:43 am || Up

      What if you liked the first third of Fight Club?

    • mk Mar 28,2010 8:23 am || Up

      When I am screening for mates I usually say it is okay to dislike Fight Club but not okay to willfully misunderstand it. You are also automatically disqualified if you constantly throw around pseudo-provocative phrases like “pro-sex feminist” and “rape culture” but never stop posing long enough to say anything interesting about them. Musing about people “internalizing their feminism” is a dealbreaker as well.

      • Poppy Mar 28,2010 8:58 am || Up

        I also don’t respond to any guy who says they’re looking for a woman who “doesn’t have drama,” not because I have a lot of drama, but because I feel like that is code for women who have opinions.

        That’s just wrong. I’m pretty sure I understand what men mean by “drama,” and it isn’t opinions. (Feel free to disagree if you’re going, “Uh, no, we do mean opinions = drama.” I’m not gonna throw a drink in your face and tell all my friends how invalidated you make me feel.)

        There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
        • mk Mar 28,2010 9:11 am || Up

          Right. I won’t presume to speak for the other three billion or so men on the planet, but when I deride “drama” I am talking about ridiculous dramatic people who conjure a lot of ridiculous drama out of nothing, and in so doing cause hassle and anguish for those unlucky enough to be within range of their dramatic ridiculousness. Which is somewhat different than saying women should not have opinions. Though it’s possible I just haven’t internalized my feminism enough to understand the psychological dynamic at play here.

          • Poppy Mar 28,2010 9:29 am || Up

            You heteronormative bastard.

            There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
          • dmoas Mar 28,2010 12:00 pm || Up

            I think you both have it right as far as I’m concerned. Absolutely nothing wrong with a woman having and sharing an opinion. In fact, what’s the fun in not having both. But the “I’m going ape shit because I couldn’t have my way or someone rubbed me the wrong way or because

            • monkeyball Mar 28,2010 12:17 pm || Up

              I tell ya, it’s just like a woman to hit dmoas on the back of the head with a skillet while he’s mid-post.

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • mk Mar 28,2010 12:45 pm || Up

              I’m pretty sure we weren’t disagreeing …

              • dmoas Mar 28,2010 1:21 pm || Up

                Never implied you were.

                • mk Mar 28,2010 2:30 pm || Up

                  Oh. I read “I think you both have it right as far as I’m concerned” as “I think you both have a point”, which is a mediation device I’ve often used when two co-workers are glaring at each other across a conference room table, one having proposed a “kitchen sink approach”, the other advocating “core competency focus”. Calm down. Lower your voices. Set the constantly fucking buzzing multimedia devices on the table. I think you both have a point here. What I’d like to do is synergize this brainstorm into a team-centric framework …

                • dmoas Mar 28,2010 4:37 pm || Up

                  Yeah, if only my whole post actually showed up instead of being hit over the head with Betty White’s frying pan. It was mainly just a “Poppy’s comment was correct and your furthering of that thought from a guy’s perspective was inline with how I see it too.”

            • nevermoor Mar 28,2010 10:12 pm || Up

              Concur. Drama = mountains out of mole hills and stirring shit up.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  37. monkeyball Mar 27,2010 10:29 pm

    YOT111thC:

    the conservative movement from 1964-2009 was a giant failure

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 12:39 am || Up

      That was fun.

    • FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 28,2010 8:28 am || Up

      Would that the Reagan era were truly as ineffectual as that construction suggests.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • monkeyball Mar 28,2010 10:01 am || Up

        I think there’s a growing body of analysis that pretty convincingly lays out the case that the Reagan admin didn’t actually make (m)any significant “conservative” achievements, strategic or tactical, with the possible exceptions of firing the air-traffic controllers and letting all the crazy people out onto the streets. Even his SC justices turned out to be not entirely nuts.

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • andeux Mar 28,2010 10:19 am || Up

          The highest income tax rate went from 70% to 28% (briefly) and has stayed in the 35-40% range since then.
          And I think in practice a lot of federal regulatory agencies are a lot weaker now than they were in 1980.

          TINSTAAFK
        • FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 28,2010 10:20 am || Up

          The undoing of the progressive income tax code and commitment to a meaningful social safety net was a profound and (to date) permanent change to the very notion of what the U.S. gov’t should give to and ask of its citizens. The very range of national discourse moved to the right, the Democrats followed, and we haven’t remotely recovered. Reagan re-framed the purpose of the nation (as described by its political actors, anyway), and his supporters are justifiably proud that legacy.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Poppy Mar 28,2010 8:41 am || Up

      Comment #3.

      And.

      I think the damage is permanent, regardless of which side “succeeds” or “fails” in any given part of the cycle.

      There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
  38. monkeyball Mar 28,2010 12:19 pm

    Eh, I wouldn’t worry about this — it’s clearly just a misunderstanding by local supporters of non-politician ess-Arah al-In, whose exhortation to RELOAD and drawing targets on her opponents were merely metaphorical.

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • mk Mar 28,2010 1:01 pm || Up

      Palin’s Facebook page is kind of addictive:

      – Sarah-please consider Suze Orman as a running mate for 2012.

      – I love it that I can block anyone who is rude or bullying on facebook. It’s like clicking the remote to shut off the liberal media.

      – The Obama care is absolutely govt take over there are a few good things in this plan but there are also things in there like the college education loans that isnt about health care small businesses are going to be in trouble with this plan and the over site of the IRS as if the IRS isnt already involved enough in our livesYes it is unwanted by millions check your stats again!!!!

      – THATS RIGHT SARAH! WE WILL RELOAD AKA “VOTE”. ITS AMAZING WHEN A LIBERAL SAYS SOMETHING IT EXERCISING THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH..WHEN A CONSERVATIVE SAYS ANYHTING THEY ARE EXPRESSING VIOLENCE AND HATE AND TH LIBERALS RUNS CRYING TO THEIR MOMMY MEDIA TO CHANGE THEIR DIAPER!

      – Can he be impeached???!!!! IF so, Sarah can do it!!

      – GO SARAH…DONT GET DISTRACTED WITH THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA ATTEMPT TO BLACKMAIL ALL OBAMA OPPONENT AS RACIST OR INCITING VIOLENT.THEY WANT US TO SHUT UP…BUT NO WE ARE GOING TO STAND UP FOR THE COUNTRY WE LOVE.

      – Rock on, Sarah. @ all you whining libs, your day of fleecing people who actually work by collecting your welfare, Medicaid, etc. is going to be over!

      Uh oh … I guess I’d better get some UPS envelopes for those kraut packets I’m going to owe andeux/FSU/nevermoor:

      I live in California. You mean to tell me that I can vote to decide if i want to legalize Marijuana but I dont have the right to vote for my health care reform!

  39. batgirl Mar 28,2010 12:55 pm

    Longshot I know, but do any of you work at Target or have contacts at Target?

    • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 1:46 pm || Up

      my brother used to work closely with their corporate headquarters in Minneapolis, but he relatively recently moved somewhere in the south and bought some kind of business.

      • dmoas Mar 28,2010 2:04 pm || Up

        Whatever you do, don’t follow him down there. And if you do *that*, don’t work for him. I hear that’s just nothing but trouble.

        • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 2:13 pm || Up

          I heard something similar.

          • dmoas Mar 28,2010 2:29 pm || Up

            Wasn’t the movie “Nothing But Trouble” from around those parts? At least the same state. That should have told you something right there.

        • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 2:19 pm || Up

          (and, for the record, he followed me down here)

          • dmoas Mar 28,2010 2:27 pm || Up

            May I suggest next time not telling him where you’re going. 1) It keeps him from following 2) It keeps you out of business together (no longer an issue I’d imagine 3) Adds a little extra spice to family life and be honest, you’re relationship could use a little spicing up.

  40. FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 28,2010 7:05 pm

    Bloom wins Kraut Pool before Final Four even starts.

    The fact that a Duke victory sealed it will make parting with my $5 all the more painful.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 7:22 pm || Up

      I won?

      Seriously?

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Mar 28,2010 7:33 pm || Up

        Yup, on the strength of getting two Final Four picks right. Three of us got one Final Fourist correct, and five krauthors whiffed the Final Four completely.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 7:37 pm || Up

          To be fair, it was quite a funky final four. Especially compared to how good they’ve been at seeding the last few years.

    • Ice Cream Mar 28,2010 7:27 pm || Up

      Pats all around! Pats all around!

      Congrats, Bloomie (and all you other players)!

      And a big THANKS to you, FSU for setting it up.

      Where is the good in "good-bye"?
      • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 7:29 pm || Up

        Yes, thank you, FSU!

        • salb918 Mar 28,2010 7:43 pm || Up

          iFSU, yes thanks you.

          • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 7:46 pm || Up

            It’s about time that ungrateful bastard Jon Anderson said thank you.

            • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 8:01 pm || Up

              does it makes any of you think less of me that this prompted me to dl “Leave It” from the oh so wonderful 80’s? When they made like 25 different versions of this video that were all essentially the same video.

              • mk Mar 28,2010 8:51 pm || Up

                Yes, but only a little. Not enough to matter from a practical point of view. I’d still split the last Kit Kat with you if we were on a life raft in the middle of the ocean.

                On the other hand, I had to dock you a couple of esteem points for that Oakridge Boys comment upthread, so maybe you’d only get 40% of the Kit Kat. I’d still give myself up to the sharks first, though.

                • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 8:56 pm || Up

                  I was raised on the Oak Ridge Boys, though. That’s not fair. I demand my remaining 10%!

                • dmoas Mar 28,2010 9:26 pm || Up

                  Dude.

                  A) He’s so scared of you that he’d rather die first by shark than be around you.
                  B) While the shark is full, you could beat it to death with one of mk’s legs and you’ll gain significantly more than the 10% of Kit Kat he’s not giving you.
                  C) mk deserves a last meal if he’s going to safe your life. Give him the whole Kit Kat.

                • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 10:42 pm || Up

                  I’d agree to 40%, since you put it that way. Especially since I’ll essentially be eating again when I eat the shark that ate him.

          • nevermoor Mar 28,2010 10:14 pm || Up

            even iFSU everyone hates YES

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • Leopold Bloom Mar 28,2010 10:43 pm || Up

              do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do

              The only reason I like that song is because MTV bored it into my skull.

              • nevermoor Mar 29,2010 8:59 am || Up

                I meant this blight on humanity.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • Leopold Bloom Mar 29,2010 1:56 pm || Up

                  oh, those bastards. Yeah, fuck them.

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