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  1. Um … no, that’s not standard practice that I’ve heard of. Pretty sure the FDA would sue my ass for even suggesting it.
  2. I’d rather see the A’s give Wakefield a NR deal than Manny
  3. Uh …

    Melvin knows Cowgill from the Arizona organization and he compares him to Eric Byrnes for his all-out style

  4. No, Zukes ain’t going to Tampa
  5. In former Soviet Uzbekistan Kyrgyzstan, city reclaims nature
  6. My theory in life, which may not apply to baseball, is that we all make mistakes, and if we serve a penalty, there’s no reason we shouldn’t have the opportunity to do the right thing after that.

420 thoughts on “Drunk monkeys throwing at a dartboard

  1. Ed Jan 30,2012 7:05 am

    3. I knew eric byrnes. He was a player of mine. You sir, are an Eric Byrnes.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  2. No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 30,2012 7:39 am

    5. Sad. I had a State Department Internship there in 1999. It was a pleasant place by FSU standards. That said, Kyrgyzstan never had much going for it, economy-wise.

    A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
    • ptbnl Jan 30,2012 8:11 am || Up

      And Jim has pretty high standards.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • JediLeroy Jan 30,2012 8:51 am || Up

        If he ever changes his handle, we’ll have all sorts of IFFSU jokes.

        az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
        • IFFSU Jan 30,2012 8:57 am || Up

          Don’t worry, my username is too deeply ingrained for me to ever change, I think. At least until the cops start looking for that FSU guy.

          Haven’t seen you much here lately, how’s the job switch going?

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • JediLeroy Jan 30,2012 11:21 am || Up

            IFIFFSU… I’ve tried to lurk every day for a few minutes, but it’s hard to keep up with the new FKers and their lounging ways. I dropped into a lounge to lurk the other day and was happy to see a bunch of conversation from oldskool FKers.

            The new job is going well. It’s always a bit of an uphill climb anytime you switch to a new industry, but I’m picking things up pretty quickly. I really like the company and the people I work with, and the clients are all pretty entertaining, though not always excited to have someone come in and change their ways. I’m not usually one to swear, so it’s pretty funny to hear some of the things those car guys say. There really is no filter sometimes; I’ve seen guys cuss each other out while customers are within earshot. Imagine what a bit of professionalism could do to further their careers.

            I’ve also met some really interesting people on planes and shuttle rides to the airport. It’s occurred to me a few times that I should keep a journal of my travels and the people I encounter. Maybe I’ll do an mk-style “traveblogue” some time in the next few months.

            Being away from family during the week is not ideal, but it hasn’t been too bad so far, as I’ve been able to spend good quality time with my wife and kids on the 3ish days during which I am home each week. I find myself much more likely to help out around the house when I’m home–I want to make every moment count, making life easier for my wife, who’s got to take care of three kids and the house by herself all week. Every time I have to do something work-related while I’m at home when my kids want to play, my inner-soundtrack plays: And the cats in the cradle and the silver spoon… It’ll be nice when I move to my territory and have more time for family and FKing.

            az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
            • Ed Jan 30,2012 11:49 am || Up

              I hate that song.mostly because my dad traveled a lot and I didn’t want him to feel guilty about it. Seriously.

              Kids adjust to their circumstances. You will always be dad to them, no matter what.

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 12:29 pm || Up

                Kids also will eventually be resentful of something you do (or don’t do), so there’s no avoiding that.

                you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
              • DFA Jan 30,2012 4:16 pm || Up

                That song epitomized my fathers’ relationship with his father. He plays it all the time.

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • aardvark Jan 30,2012 6:21 pm || Up

              I’ve probably listened to the Ugly Kid Joe (the band better known for *Everything About You*) version more times than the original.

              • grover Jan 30,2012 8:28 pm || Up

                That’s a FKing tragedy.

                • aardvark Jan 30,2012 9:22 pm || Up

                  Not really. You have no idea how many times I listened to their album America’s Least Wanted.

                • the llama Jan 30,2012 9:47 pm || Up

                  We all got our thing…I love Spacehog’s Resident Alien but can’t ask any of my friends to like it.

                • batgirl Jan 31,2012 6:18 am || Up

                  It’s so funny you mention them! I just heard “In the Meantime” on the radio a few days ago after not hearing them for about 15 years. I remember rather liking it. I think I’ve got that CD somewhere.

                • the llama Jan 31,2012 7:50 pm || Up

                  Like I said, I really like it, but I can’t expect others to. Kind of like how I explain my love of baseball to my European friends.

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 6:58 am || Up

                  Meh. Spacehog was a good enough band for 90’s mainstream. They haven’t aged all that badly.

                  although when I think of “In The Meantime,” I think of Helmet, who had a hit single by the same name a few years previous.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • the llama Feb 1,2012 8:59 pm || Up

                  Unforunately, they tried to bring glam back too early. Everything old is new again, but only given time.

            • the llama Jan 30,2012 9:48 pm || Up

              more time for family and FKing

              …which leads to more family…

          • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 11:54 am || Up

            I know how you feel.

            I get really mad when mine isn’t available for something.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • elcroata Jan 30,2012 11:57 am || Up

              There is an “elcroata” on twitter already. And there is http://www.elcroata.com, which is apparently a “women’s Health Fitness” site

              Because survival is insufficient
              • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 12:04 pm || Up

                Is that a euphemism for spandex porn?

                \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
            • ptbnl Jan 30,2012 12:02 pm || Up

              First I read that as a response to the father-too-busy thread.

              If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
              • elcroata Jan 30,2012 12:07 pm || Up

                me, too

                Because survival is insufficient
                • JediLeroy Jan 30,2012 12:13 pm || Up

                  Me three. It took me about 5 readthroughs to understand what he was saying. Now it makes perfect sense.

                  For me, though, any time my username isn’t available, I know that I’m already registered for that site.

                  az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
                • DFA Jan 30,2012 4:17 pm || Up

                  I also had this experiance.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • PaulThomas Jan 30,2012 7:13 pm || Up

                  I experience it whenever I use an anonymizing username, because my references are inevitably to a particular, obscure 1980s British roleplaying book series.

                  Turns out that’s a pretty good way to generate unique usernames…

                • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 12:48 am || Up

                  Mine is a reference to this

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • the llama Jan 31,2012 7:52 pm || Up

                  Pssht. Nerd. (Did I ever tell you how I traded my Lord of the Pit card for Attack of the Homicidal Psycho Jungle Cat?)

                • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 8:10 pm || Up

                  If it’s any consolation, I always hated that card (and always loved that book)

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • the llama Jan 31,2012 8:21 pm || Up

                  I was in 7th grade when all my M:TG cards were stolen from my backpack. I had but one left – Lord of the Pit – which I kept at home because it was the most valuable card I owned (although I preferred the green deck with my awesome weapon, Thicket Basilisk).

                  Anyway, not wanting to rebuild my deck I offered up my Lord of the Pit card for trade, and netted Attack of the Homicidal Psycho Jungle Cat, which brought my C&H collection up to date at the time. Never regretted it.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 31,2012 8:53 pm || Up

                  My sister left my Game Boy with all our games on the plane when I was 8 or so, and I still kinda hold it against her. It’s rough losing something you’ve collected over a period of time like that.

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 7:00 am || Up

                  Lord of the Pit is a shitty card now… not then, though.

                  My favorite cards from back then are the two strong basics, “Lightning Bolt” and “Counterspell,” which have both finally been reprinted and reintegrated into current sets.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • nevermoor Feb 1,2012 9:50 am || Up

                  I didn’t like it then. Now it looks like things are just completely nuttily overpowered.

                  Those are solid, as was Drain Life / Black Night. I’m surprised they reprinted them as they’ve spent years working nerfed versions into sets.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Feb 1,2012 10:24 am || Up

                  I’m kind of afraid to find out what cards look like these days. I like remembering MtG the way it was when I played it

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 10:54 am || Up

                  I like blending old cards with new compliments in Legacy format.

                  My newest creation is merfolk self-mill (draw+discard your own cards to fill your own graveyard)+Animate Dead+huge casting cost wrong-color creatures+this guy…

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Feb 1,2012 11:06 am || Up

                  Is the Laboratory Maniac a real card? That completely destroys the point of Mill decks (which I always found interesting due to how challenging they were to make, at least at the age I was when I tried to build one).

                • nevermoor Feb 1,2012 11:25 am || Up

                  That’s just silly. Of course, if you mill your maniac…

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 2:58 pm || Up

                  That card is 100% real and I animate it out of the graveyard as an instant effect during my draw phase or on the stack on top of a draw card that would otherwise mill me out for the loss.

                  Here’s how I fill the graveyard in big chunks (as opposed to the merfolk/millikins doing it one or two cards at a time)

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 3:03 pm || Up

                  and as long as I have three creatures on the board, I don’t even need mana or a reanimation card in hand as long as this one’s in my graveyard.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • nevermoor Feb 1,2012 4:26 pm || Up

                  Geez. Crazy overpowered.

                  Looks like the only way to beat you is to do a counter that exiles on your game-winning dude so that you deck yourself.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • PaulThomas Feb 1,2012 4:38 pm || Up

                  @ nevermoor: One way to beat it is just to win sooner.

                  Legacy is an extremely powerful format.

                • nevermoor Feb 1,2012 5:02 pm || Up

                  I’m just surprised because what I’d heard about that particular set is that it was less crazy overpowered than some of the other recent ones.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 5:39 pm || Up

                  @PT-

                  You’ve got that right to a certain extent. However, I didn’t build that deck to win often, but to occasionally win in a weird and spectacular way.

                  Of course, animating an Eldrazi from the graveyard on turn 4 will grab the early win now and again, too.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • PaulThomas Feb 1,2012 4:33 pm || Up

                  Uh, Counterspell hasn’t been reprinted since 7th edition, which was roughly a decade ago.

                  Right now 1UU will get you a (slight) upgrade on Counterspell, but the only available stuff for 2 mana is much worse.

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 5:33 pm || Up

                  I could’a swore they reprinted that…

                  …and after looking through the stack of cards I thought it was in, I realize it was

                  but still, there’s no reason they shouldn’t reprint Counterspell… other than it would be slightly overpowered for draft formats.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • PaulThomas Feb 1,2012 9:20 pm || Up

                  The original Counterspell enabled the existence of Draw-Go decks (essentially, do nothing but counter everything the opponent plays and draw cards), which were highly successful but incredibly unpopular.

                  It’s never going to be reprinted. Overpowered is not a problem on its own; overpowered + un-fun is very much a problem.

                  @ nevermoor: I’m not sure what you’re referring to. The Phantasm? It’s not particularly strong. The combo is, as GS indicates, very much a “Johnny” combo; it has little application for tournament formats, so it’s not “overpowered” in any objective sense.

                • nevermoor Feb 1,2012 9:58 pm || Up

                  I was referring to the difference in quality between, say, Eldrazi and the older magic cards I grew up with (Fallen Empires and forward, so post Mox).

                  I found this particular set to be gimmicky but not worthwhile (the two sided cards just don’t change much), unlike the leveling cards that came before them.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • PaulThomas Feb 2,2012 5:07 pm || Up

                  Well, yeah… Fallen Empires was comically underpowered, except for three cards.

                  I think power creep has definitely occurred in recent years, but there’s no way I’d ever want to go back to the power levels of sets from before about the year 2000.

                • nevermoor Feb 2,2012 5:30 pm || Up

                  I haven’t played enough new cards to know, but they all just feel so gimmicky now. I’m glad that color-protection is a thing of the past (and yes blue spell-control decks were annoying) but the thing I liked about Magic that other games didn’t have was that the cards were mostly generally applicable (no specific-card actions like in the Star Wars game).

                  I feel like they’ve lost some of that with some of the newer decks, which appear to be designed on the “we need a new mechanic so we can sell cards” path.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • DFA Feb 2,2012 5:41 pm || Up

                  I played the Star Wars CCG

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 31,2012 8:20 pm || Up

                  That’s a worthy trade

  3. aardvark Jan 30,2012 8:01 am

    2. Other washed up guys that I would prefer over Manny:
    Rickey
    Canseco
    Jamie Moyer
    Frank Thomas
    Pete Rose
    Mike Tyson
    Buzz Aldrin
    Rod Blagojevich

    • colin Jan 30,2012 8:04 am || Up

      The Blago bobblehead would be pretty rad.

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 30,2012 8:43 am || Up

        It would have to be pocket which bobbled open and closed for the acceptance of bribes.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Englishmajor Jan 30,2012 10:33 am || Up

        As would watching his hairpiece fly off when he ran the bases.

    • DFA Jan 30,2012 4:17 pm || Up

      Id rather have Manny than Canseco.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • aardvark Jan 30,2012 6:23 pm || Up

        In terms of actual production? Sure, but in terms of entertainment value, Canseco wins.

        • DFA Jan 30,2012 6:32 pm || Up

          Canseco just annoys me.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • aardvark Jan 30,2012 6:42 pm || Up

            I’m past that point now. I find him amusing, but I can understand why you would feel that way.

            • Leopold Bloom Jan 30,2012 6:52 pm || Up

              Maybe neither of you remember him playing?

              Because Jose was teh awesome.

              • aardvark Jan 30,2012 7:20 pm || Up

                Oh no, I do. The Bash Brothers we so much fun. I have never cared about baseball as much as I did in the years 87-92ish.

  4. aardvark Jan 30,2012 8:11 am

    This is pretty much the only appropriate response to the fox news attacks of the Muppets:

    • batgirl Jan 30,2012 1:01 pm || Up

      Hee. I’m normally not a big Miss Piggy fan, but that was cute.

  5. FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 30,2012 8:44 am

    Bloom, missed you yesterday. Really wanted to ask you to Reconnoiter the Rims with me.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 9:33 am || Up

      U. Phe. Mism.

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • Leopold Bloom Jan 30,2012 6:53 pm || Up

      I’m so dead.

      Yeah, you FKers are gonna hafta wait for the next Deadwood installment til this weekend. I can only watch Deadwood and write on it on the weekend…

      • Bed Jan 30,2012 7:17 pm || Up

        Doo your Deadwood recaps have the words motherfu**er and c**t in them at least 47 times a post?

        But seriously, folks....
        • Leopold Bloom Jan 31,2012 1:34 am || Up

          you can say both motherfucker and cunt here, you motherfucking cunt.

          • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 9:32 am || Up

            San Francisco ta Rosa CSockspuckppert!

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • elcroata Jan 31,2012 1:13 am || Up

        Get some rest, buddy

        Because survival is insufficient
  6. monkeyball Jan 30,2012 9:44 am

    View from my new office (not new job — agency moved to new building further along the Emb’o):

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 30,2012 9:46 am || Up

      I’m getting the “image appears as flat one-pixel high line” problem here (IE on Windows).

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • ptbnl Jan 30,2012 9:47 am || Up

        Has that fixed it?

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
        • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 30,2012 9:50 am || Up

          Yes.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • ptbnl Jan 30,2012 9:54 am || Up

            So, nm, maybe the image html should set only one of width and height (and I’d advocate width, which is generally the constraint).

            If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
            • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 9:55 am || Up

              (TWSS)

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 11:59 am || Up

              Yeah. I’ll take out the height default.

              And it’s out.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  7. SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 10:13 am

    Weighed myself this morning, and I now officially weigh less than 1/8 ton(ne). 10 more pounds and I’ve caught up with Homer Simpson.

    18 down, 64 to go.

    \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • MikeV Jan 30,2012 10:15 am || Up

      awesome!

      I don’t wanna weigh myself. I”m probalby going the other direction.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 10:28 am || Up

        I have to admit I haven’t had to do anything particularly hard. I’ve just cut most of the flour and sugar out. And when I do indulge, I indulge in smaller quantities and/or healthier ways (Who-nu cookies rather than a whole pint of Ben & Jerry’s, for example.)

        Oh yeah… and brown rice four or five nights a week.

        On the meat tip… I’ve actually increased my meat intake slightly. I would be happy going vegetarian, but my wife would kill me and eat me, so keeping dead animals in the house is insurance for my own health and wellbeing.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • MikeV Jan 30,2012 10:30 am || Up

          Yeah, I just eat like crap mostly.

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

          • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 10:34 am || Up

            which is not smart for an athlete like yourself.

            Make a couple of minor changes that you hardly even notice, and you’ll have more energy during games.

            \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
          • MikeV Jan 30,2012 10:34 am || Up

            …and I just checked.

            197.

            :|

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

            • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 10:42 am || Up

              No FKing way…

              Tweek that diet just a little (you’ll hardly notice) and soon enough you’ll be playing at 175 and your knees and ankles will not only thank you, but still be there and functional for future seasons.

              I played last wiffle season at 270 and my pushoff foot still hasn’t recovered. If we play this year (lots of regulars still on the DL) I don’t know if my FK’d up right foot will allow me to pitch or run at anything greater than 80%.

              \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
              • MikeV Jan 30,2012 10:45 am || Up

                Seriously. One Nine Seven.

                and i’m 5’6

                (baby got back)

                And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                Thanks, and go As.

                • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 12:00 pm || Up

                  Yeah… I was 197 in like freshman year of high school.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 12:04 pm || Up

                  I haven’t been 197 since 5th grade.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • Leopold Bloom Jan 30,2012 6:56 pm || Up

                  I’m catching up to you.

                • MikeV Jan 30,2012 8:40 pm || Up

                  Other way around I think. :(

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • Leopold Bloom Jan 31,2012 1:35 am || Up

                  Two trains leave, one from Chicago and the other from New York…

              • gonealookin Jan 30,2012 10:47 am || Up

                I need to work on this too. 205 has been way too much to haul on hiking trips into the mountains. 165-170 is probably sustainable and I want to be there by May. I was an even 1/10 ton this morning.

                What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
                • MikeV Jan 30,2012 10:56 am || Up

                  Yeah. The actual number doesn’t concern me too much, I’m just thinking that around the 170ish range would be ideal. I have always weighed more than I look like I should, I guess, cuz my legs are kinda muscular or somethin.

                  now I just have a FKing gut too, and I hate it.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 11:00 am || Up

                  It’s not your job to be a stick figure. And if you didn’t value your athletic side so much, I wouldn’t even bug you about it.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • MikeV Jan 30,2012 11:03 am || Up

                  I wouldn’t want to be a stick figure.

                  I’d be OK with Diego Forlan’s build though.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 11:14 am || Up

                  Gene Kelly

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • MikeV Jan 30,2012 11:16 am || Up

                  I’m not wearing the sailor outfit though.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 11:17 am || Up

                  /callista

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 11:18 am || Up

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • MikeV Jan 30,2012 11:19 am || Up

                  or that one.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 12:06 pm || Up

                  That is one gay blade.

                  What’s up with the corset cleavage waist?

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • gonealookin Jan 30,2012 11:06 am || Up

                  I hadn’t seen my mother for quite a while. When I visited her last year she took one look at my gut and said “THAT’S THE BEER, ISN’T IT?!” That is certainly a part of it; banning In-N-Out for the next few months and substituting a salad will help too.

                  What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
                • MikeV Jan 30,2012 11:08 am || Up

                  See, I actually don’t think I drink a whole lot. I may have one or two after a soccer game, but that’s 2x a week at most.

                  Aside from that it’s usually just one or two cocktails and that’s about it.

                  (tailgates are different)

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 11:16 am || Up

                  What happens at the tailgate stays at goes on the tailgate.

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • MikeV Jan 30,2012 11:23 am || Up

                  sage

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 12:01 pm || Up

                  Burritos were my kryptonite. There’s a B+-y place right across the street that I’ve learned to walk by.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 12:30 pm || Up

                  If you go riceless, burritos are less not-ok.

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 12:39 pm || Up

                  yeah, white rice is pretty much like flour.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 1:29 pm || Up

                  Yeah, but at this place they’d then be C-.

                  I’d rather have something else.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 10:56 am || Up

                  by May is a pretty radical shift.

                  Then again, you’ll feel it on the trail even if you only lose 5-15 lbs, so it’s worth it even in moderation.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • elcroata Jan 30,2012 11:30 am || Up

                  so, 220lb, not 205, right?

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • gonealookin Jan 30,2012 11:39 am || Up

                  I was about 90 kg this morning, want to reduce to 75-77 kg.

                  What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
                • elcroata Jan 30,2012 11:42 am || Up

                  I was an even 1/10 ton this morning.

                  I was about 90 kg this morning

                  does. not. compute.

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • elcroata Jan 30,2012 11:43 am || Up

                  And I know you guys have your “short ton”. You are still wrong.

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • Leopold Bloom Jan 30,2012 6:58 pm || Up

                  Fking math major.

        • Leopold Bloom Jan 30,2012 6:54 pm || Up

          Wow, what an interesting diet.

          • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 7:59 pm || Up

            It’s much less a diet than it is cutting a bunch of shit out and being slightly healthier with the staples.

            I’m thinking that I’m going to eventually plateau somewhere, and then it’ll be time to change things up a little more. I’m not in any hurry, though.

            \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
            • Leopold Bloom Jan 31,2012 1:36 am || Up

              I meant you are doing the same thing I’ve been doing for ten months.

              • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 31,2012 3:22 am || Up

                Yeah, but you’re doing it more meticulously and badassically…

                I haven’t soaked a single bean yet; Neither have I eaten spinach out of the bag as a snack.

                \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • Leopold Bloom Jan 31,2012 3:24 am || Up

                  Spinach is so so tasty! Had some tonight…

                • 5Aces Jan 31,2012 7:20 am || Up

                  I have been shocked to find out that I dont mind raw spinach that much. No admittedly in my fat-assedness I usually have a bit of Feta and some oil on it, but it goes in the veggie column! I don’t get to mark many things over in that part of the book.

                  Now if it is cooked it better have about a pound of cheese on it.

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 31,2012 8:06 am || Up

                  I like to chop it up into strips, put a wee bit of sweet chili sauce on it, then lay down a bed of brown rice on top, then meat & veggies or a mutant English-style “curry”. I hardly notice the spinach and it adds lots of nutrition and fiber.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • 5Aces Jan 31,2012 9:20 am || Up

                  I love that idea, and will be stealing it and calling it my own.

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
                • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 9:33 am || Up

                  Steamed with apple cider vinegar tastes good to me (and, of course, is a ton healthier)

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • monkeyball Jan 31,2012 10:43 am || Up

                  Or just lemon juice. And Olive oil. And garlic. And pancetta.

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 10:45 am || Up

                  More effort, less healthy, would definitely taste better.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • the llama Jan 31,2012 7:53 pm || Up

                  Ate it tonight with olive oil and balsamic.

                • DFA Jan 31,2012 12:58 pm || Up

                  I like rice wine vinigar

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Leopold Bloom Jan 31,2012 1:59 pm || Up

                  I LOVE rice wine vinegar. On anything.

                • DFA Jan 31,2012 10:14 pm || Up

                  STOP PUTTING RICE WINE VINIGAR ON ME BLOOM

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Leopold Bloom Feb 1,2012 11:00 pm || Up

                  nom nom nom nom nom nom nom

                • monkeyball Jan 31,2012 10:42 am || Up

                  Orach FTW

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • elcroata Jan 31,2012 10:35 am || Up

                  I love spinach, but mangold (chard?) is much better still

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • Leopold Bloom Jan 31,2012 10:37 am || Up

                  oooo, and, of course, mustard greens. But then again, we’re rehashing covered ground…

                • colin Jan 31,2012 11:11 am || Up

                  Growing up on hippy food (well, yuppie food cuz it was Marin), I endorse all cooking greens… kale, mustard greens, chard, spinach, collard greens, bok choy. Delicious!

                • Leopold Bloom Jan 31,2012 11:16 am || Up

                  agrd. Greens are delicious. Old Southern people agree with your yuppie ass, too.

                • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 11:30 am || Up

                  Yep. Collard greens are awesome if done well.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • DFA Jan 31,2012 12:59 pm || Up

                  and taste like shit if not.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • AV Jan 31,2012 1:00 pm || Up

                  you’re thinking of chitlins chilluns.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • monkeyball Jan 31,2012 1:37 pm || Up

                  fixed your typo there

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 31,2012 4:16 pm || Up

                  Jonathan Swift Premium Brown & Serve

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • monkeyball Jan 31,2012 11:37 am || Up

                  Old Southern people would boil the asscrap out of the greens until they were toothless bitter mush.

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • ptbnl Jan 31,2012 11:42 am || Up

                  My grandmother boiled all her greens with bicarbonate of soda to keep them green. Disgusting, mushy but green.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • monkeyball Jan 31,2012 11:48 am || Up

                  Christ, what Na HCO3.

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 31,2012 11:54 am || Up

                  we have today’s winner!

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 31,2012 11:45 am || Up

                  just like how they raised their kids.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • elcroata Jan 31,2012 11:44 am || Up

                  chard is pretty much on your plate every day if you live in Dalmatia. Or at least it used to be. There is hardly an easier vegetable to grow

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • aardvark Jan 31,2012 1:55 pm || Up

                  There is an Italian variety known as Erbette chard that is just so delicious and tender. Like something between chard and spinach.

            • 5Aces Jan 31,2012 7:18 am || Up

              As I first read this I thought to myself “if you are already losing weight and eating better do you really need to get Staples?”

              took 3 readings to get it wasn’t that type of them…

              Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
              • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 31,2012 8:08 am || Up

                I know a few people who’ve had that done, and I would never join their ranks, even if I was so fat I had to wash myself with a rag on a stick.

                \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • 5Aces Jan 31,2012 9:21 am || Up

                  Mrs. Aces talked about going that route at one point. I was scared enough I was able to steer her clear just by giving her my second hand fear…

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • JediLeroy Jan 30,2012 3:09 pm || Up

        I gained 7 pounds in Chicago. Last week I lost two of them. So easy to put them on, so hard to take them off.

        az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
        • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 5:59 pm || Up

          especially on the road with new and different places to eat…

          \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • PaulThomas Jan 30,2012 7:15 pm || Up

      How much is that in “stone”?

    • the llama Jan 30,2012 9:58 pm || Up

      I’m a pretty skinny guy, so I don’t typically worry about my weight. However, this makes it hard to eat healthy foods, since I can basically eat whatever junk I want and not get fat. I am worried about eating like shit and having a heart attack at 40 or something.

      On the other hand, I just went to the doctor and it turns out I’ve gained 30 pounds in the last ten years. That’s not too surprising; I was untenably skinny in college. However, if I gain 30 pounds in the next ten years, I’ll be a fat FKer. So now I’m looking to maintain weight and eat healthy, two things I have never worried about before.

      One of my tricks is to eat a healthy snack when I feel nippish. So just now, when I wanted a cookie, I ate a banana. Unfortunately, the way this usually works is that after eating the banana I feel so good about being good that I reward myself with a cookie. Now I’ve eaten both a banana and a cookie, which is worse from a strict calorie-intake perspective.

      • grover Jan 30,2012 11:15 pm || Up

        Bananas are good but they aren’t that filling. Try some peanut butter with the produce. I eat about 2 tablespoons of peanut butter with a banana and it usually holds me over for a couple hours.

        • elcroata Jan 31,2012 1:15 am || Up

          I don’t really think anyone will confuse eating peanut-butter with a spoon for a healthy meal. Now, tasty, yes…

          Because survival is insufficient
        • batgirl Jan 31,2012 6:21 am || Up

          That’s my go-to 10 am snack–banana with peanut butter. yum.

      • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 12:50 am || Up

        I’ve always been jealous of people who can do that. There’s someone in my office who eats ~2x what I do and weighs essentially nothing. If I stood in the same room as that diet I’d gain 50 pounds.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • DFA Jan 31,2012 1:21 am || Up

          yeah that would be me. Ive also lost weight recently.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • Leopold Bloom Jan 31,2012 1:37 am || Up

            …but there’s so many OTHER reasons to loathe you!

            • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 9:34 am || Up

              I’ll still add it to the list!

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • andeux Jan 31,2012 9:59 am || Up

            Not that unusual for someone in his early- or mid-20s. Just wait a few years…

            TINSTAAFK
            • DFA Jan 31,2012 10:16 pm || Up

              Naw. My genes won’t allow it. Plus I actually eat pretty healthy. Almost no processed food.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • MikeV Jan 31,2012 10:17 pm || Up

                Mine didn’t allow it either.

                You’ll turn 30 one day, too.

                And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                Thanks, and go As.

                • DFA Feb 1,2012 12:29 am || Up

                  lies. Ill never die… uh i mean… turn thirty.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • MikeV Feb 1,2012 7:50 am || Up

                  I always thought that too.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 8:00 am || Up

                  Whereas I thought I’d be dead by 21 and the last decade plus has been a nice freeroll.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
              • colin Feb 1,2012 8:01 am || Up

                I was ridiculously skinny in high school (like 6’0″, 135) and I’m still pretty thin now, but there’s a little belly there. You’ll eventually have one too.

                • the llama Feb 1,2012 9:02 pm || Up

                  Right. I was smaller than even the proverbial 98-pound weakling when I went to college. Clearly that wasn’t sustainable but 30 pounds snuck up on me quickly.

                • elcroata Feb 1,2012 11:15 pm || Up

                  I am six pounds overweight

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • the llama Feb 1,2012 11:19 pm || Up

                  What, over the ideal adonis-mass-index?

                • elcroata Feb 1,2012 11:38 pm || Up

                  Heh. My “fight weight”.

                  Which is OK. I’m 1.80m 5’10” – 5’11” and have been between 70 and 75 kg 155 and 165 lb all my adult life. 72 160 with body fat percentage of under 11 is ideal for competition. I’m at 165 now. But, it’s winter and it’s cold, so it’s not all bad.

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • 5Aces Feb 2,2012 6:58 am || Up

                  I really want to say I hate you here. But I love you so much that I can’t even form the words…

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Feb 2,2012 8:35 am || Up

                  Maybe if you figured out a way to say I hate you in metric.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • PaulThomas Jan 31,2012 4:34 pm || Up

        Same here. I was 130 pounds in college, and I’m 5’9″ (just for reference, Donnie Murphy is also 5’9″, and weighs 200 pounds).

        But half of that was that I literally could not find anything I considered edible at the dining hall a third of the times I went there. I don’t even want to think about how many “meals” I had that consisted of a hot dog and soda.

        Now I’m just trying to avoid the temptation to eat Five Guys like three times a week.

        • MikeV Jan 31,2012 6:05 pm || Up

          You didn’t look much more than 130 when I saw you at ** Day that one time.

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

  8. monkeyball Jan 30,2012 10:15 am
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 10:36 am || Up

      I try to be an understanding and tolerant person, but I can’t help but literally hate cloistered gated community whiteys. I want to oppress them and torture them and redistribute their wealth and force them to be street hobo pariahs for the rest of their lives.

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
  9. SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 10:17 am
    \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • andeux Jan 30,2012 11:01 am || Up

      That’s awesome.

      TINSTAAFK
    • JamesV Jan 30,2012 11:59 am || Up

      I had a feeling I knew who it was doing that, and I was right.

    • batgirl Jan 30,2012 1:04 pm || Up

      OMG that is so cool.

    • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 1:30 pm || Up

      I have that Indians bobblehead (though Mrs. N would NEVER let me paint it)

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  10. SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 10:20 am

    5. Bishkek my ass. Those photos are from New Orleans.

    \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
  11. colin Jan 30,2012 10:23 am

    Hey! When are people going to post photos from Fanfest? I saw Yon’s photos already (thanks for that), but some tailgate shots would be good too — it’s always fun to put some FKing faces on some FKing names.

    • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 10:32 am || Up

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 12:04 pm || Up

        Yes.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 10:38 am || Up

      Yon’s gonna do a FK(stop) post later today when he has time.

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
  12. monkeyball Jan 30,2012 10:34 am

    The correction at the end is great (tagline!), but I like the end better:

    “This isn’t ‘Trekkies,’ ” said Mr. Kirk, referring to the 1997 documentary about the glorious excesses of “Star Trek” fandom. “We don’t have guys having ‘Shining’ weddings, or driving around in yellow VWs with ‘ROOM 237’ license plates. There were no conventions to go to.”

    I would love to see a Shining wedding.

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • ptbnl Jan 30,2012 10:46 am || Up

      The gentleman seen with the weird guy in the bear suit is wearing a tuxedo, but not a top hat.

      seems made for Bloom.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  13. nevermoor Jan 30,2012 1:31 pm

    Paging Corey. Corey to the Yahoo inbox please.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • ptbnl Jan 30,2012 2:36 pm || Up

      I presume this means you’re still on. Heard anything from Andy?

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  14. monkeyball Jan 30,2012 1:36 pm

    BA’AL DAMMIT THERE’S NOT EVEN A STARBUCCIO’S WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF HERE.

    Gonna hafta go out and take the F to the FB for a Peet’s.

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • Glorious Mundy Jan 30,2012 1:42 pm || Up

      You’d make all that effort and not go to Blue Bottle? You’re a stronger man than I am.

      • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 1:43 pm || Up

        1. I’m not a drip man (mostly b/c of poor impulse control)

        2. I am a hardcore Peet’s loyalist

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • Glorious Mundy Jan 30,2012 1:57 pm || Up

          1. You’re not into individual drips, or just not into brewed coffee in general? Because Blue Bottle’s espresso drinks are also quite good.

          2. I also like Peet’s, whereas I find Starbucks close to undrinkable.

          • Leopold Bloom Jan 30,2012 6:59 pm || Up

            One drinks Starbucks not for the taste, but for the effect.

    • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 2:01 pm || Up

      Geez. That really surprises me.

      Also, too: BB’s espresso drinks are >> Peet’s (and I’m a Peet’s fan too)

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 2:27 pm || Up

        Eh, ok, there’s one at Levi’s Plaza. Google and Starbucks website were … confusing.

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • DFA Jan 30,2012 4:31 pm || Up

        I agree. Also starbucks sucks.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 4:42 pm || Up

          Starbucks is meh, but far superior to most of the “mom-and-pop” coffee shops/regional chains they displaced.

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • DFA Jan 30,2012 5:18 pm || Up

            If by that you mean dunkin donuts? yes. If by that you mean its better than Four Barrel Ritual Stumptown or Blue Bottle, you are sadly mistaken.

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • Glorious Mundy Jan 30,2012 5:21 pm || Up

              Starbucks hasn’t replaced any of those. They’re all thriving.

              • DFA Jan 30,2012 5:43 pm || Up

                youre right.

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 5:25 pm || Up

              {rolls eyes}

              Those guys are all post-Starbuccio’s chains. They wouldn’t exist without the market Starbuccio’s created. I don’t know of any post-S boutique coffee joints that have actually been put out of business.

              Also, DD isn’t half bad for drip — McD’s is better (and quite decent), but either suffices for, say, a cross-country 3-am eye-opener.

              Also, not sure exactly how many DD franchises that have gone under b/c of S.

              No, I’m talking about the Royal Grounds-type places with zero barista training/skilz, months-old beans from black market suppliers, and a dozen years of grime on their tables. And the lousy regional chains like Caribou.

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
              • DFA Jan 30,2012 5:48 pm || Up

                blah blah blah fine thats a valid position.

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 5:52 pm || Up

                God but Caribou is awful.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • Ed Jan 30,2012 6:29 pm || Up

                  I cannot believe they get people to drink that.

                  ANd what mb said.

                  But I prefer the places DFA said

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • DFA Jan 30,2012 6:32 pm || Up

                  yeah hes right.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Englishmajor Jan 31,2012 7:09 am || Up

                  I rarely drink hot coffee, so I can’t judge, but Caribou has fantastic cold-process iced coffee. Now that I’m going home to Minnesota more often, I lof the Caribou stand next to the baggage claim at the smaller terminal at Mpls-Saint Paul.

                • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 9:35 am || Up

                  That could well be. Their plain hot drinks just taste bad to me, and any of their hot menu drinks have about 10x too much sugar.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • Leopold Bloom Jan 31,2012 10:38 am || Up

                  Plus it’s coffee made by Minnesotans! How can any of you hate on it?!!

                • Englishmajor Jan 31,2012 1:15 pm || Up

                  I did get an iced tea of some kind once, and it had far too much sugar.

              • Glorious Mundy Jan 30,2012 5:52 pm || Up

                I’m skeptical of the idea that Starbucks created the market for BB, Ritual, Four Barrell, Stumptown and the like. We’re talking about SF and Portland. We would have gotten around to fetishizing coffee eventually.

                Agreed though that Starbucks has generally been a force for good for coffee consumers, even if I think their product is generally mediocre and insanely overpriced.

                • Ed Jan 30,2012 6:30 pm || Up

                  Its called a cup o keno, and you’ll never believe how much it costs!

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • AV Jan 30,2012 7:11 pm || Up

                  dangit. it’s on the tip of my tongue…

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • mother pucker Jan 30,2012 6:54 pm || Up

                  Stumptown rules.

                • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 30,2012 7:05 pm || Up

                  Meh. I’ve had mixed success brewing their blends at home and with what I get in various coffee shops around Portland.

                  Current favorite is Nossa Familia. They sell at the farmers market by us.

                  A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
              • mother pucker Jan 30,2012 6:54 pm || Up

                I wanna say Berkeley has three Starbucks, and in addition to those, has a FKton of those local Coffee spots. Totally agree, that outside of Meditteraneum, they were mostly krap.

    • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 6:00 pm || Up

      My friend Jerry’s a manager at Peet’s on Bush + Van Ness

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
      • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 6:23 pm || Up

        That’s my home-ish Peet’s (we live further down on Bush). Was just there last night with JP.

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 6:39 pm || Up

          Nice. I like how you take the boy out to calm him down for bed.

          I’m pretty sure Jerry mostly works mornings. He’s about 40… used to be a regular in my poker game… good solid cat…

          \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • the llama Jan 30,2012 10:10 pm || Up

      This reminds me of a story.

      I was once walking along Center Street in Berkeley talking with a friend about various forms of snobbery: music, art, wine, etc. Anyone can become a snob about anything. If you ever go apple picking in New England, you will find that in only takes an hour to become a total apple snob.

      So it was that my friend mentioned that he never understood the Peet’s vs. Starbucks coffee snobbery. Unless one takes the time to learn and care about the difference in taste, he reasoned, one will never notice and thus one will never care. “Ultimately,” he said, “coffee is coffee.” This comment was overheard by a nearby coed who invited herself, rather rudely, into our conversation, to snip “…and fair business practices are fair business practices!”

      Now, perhaps there is some kind of injustice behind the various coffee-growing schema. I don’t know, and frankly, don’t really care since I don’t consume coffee. The absolute last thing I wanted at that moment was to be lectured by a stranger because of an offhand comment in a tangentially related conversation. So I quickly crossed the street.

      I don’t think my story had a point.

      • elcroata Jan 31,2012 1:21 am || Up

        I worked as a waiter in a dumpy old place where a fellow waiter took the order (“A Latte machiatto, a cappuccino and a double espresso”) from three ladies who must have thought they were somewhere else, compassionately nodded and then shouted to the kitchen: “Three coffees!”

        Because survival is insufficient
        • MikeV Jan 31,2012 8:30 am || Up

          Over the course of the next week, elcroata and Chef Gordon Ramsay turned that dumpy old place into a restaurant you may have heard of.

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

  15. nevermoor Jan 30,2012 1:58 pm
    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  16. MikeV Jan 30,2012 2:52 pm

    This is kinda interesting

    On one hand, you have the case that she wants to run for office and she should be able to do so regardless of her (in)ability to speak English fluently.

    On the other hand, that could turn into a massive issue when it comes to legal documents, meetings held in English, etc.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 3:33 pm || Up

      That’s definitely an interesting one.

      My first thought is that the voters should get to decide who they want (and challenges speaking English are a perfectly valid reason to vote for someone else). That said, we do have and enforce various objective criteria for elected officials (age, residency, signature counts, etc) so my first thought is overbroad in that direction.

      Still, though, this idea that you have to prove you are good enough (with no clear standard) to a judge has to be wrong.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • andeux Jan 30,2012 3:35 pm || Up

        Fortunately for W, there was no such standard for being elected President.

        TINSTAAFK
      • MikeV Jan 30,2012 3:39 pm || Up

        I dunno. I can see both arguments, but to me it just boils down to the fact that this city council isn’t operating in a vacuum, and plenty of communication outside the community would be required. In that case, the lack of being able to speak English would be a significant barrier.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • AV Jan 30,2012 4:03 pm || Up

          if the object of democracy is to represent the people, looking at the spanish-speaking numbers in the article, i can see the purpose of a primarily spanish-speaking rep. are dual-language meetings or documentation problems that can’t be resolved? i mean, look at the united nations.

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
          • MikeV Jan 30,2012 4:12 pm || Up

            Yes, which is why the other city officials that are Hispanic are legitimately bilingual. This lady didn’t even do an interview with CNN in English.

            The UN is a completely different animal. The entire basis of it is multiple countries working together.

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

            • AV Jan 30,2012 4:18 pm || Up

              i guess i’m saying if she communicates with her constituents successfully, that’s the real goal. meeting that goal to the point that she’s elected, the problem of how she communicates with her colleagues is pretty solvable, even if it requires a staffer to whisper in her ear.

              *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
              • MikeV Jan 30,2012 4:49 pm || Up

                Is that the real goal, or is the real goal passing on the needs/wants of the constituents to the rest of the city council, or further than that to state legislature?

                She herself said that she would rate 5/10 in english fluency. She wouldn’t require a staffer to whisper in her ear, she would require a translator.

                And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                Thanks, and go As.

                • DFA Jan 30,2012 5:19 pm || Up

                  I think this assumes that meetings for public bodies actually matter. Guess what. They don’t. Everyone has already made up their mind on an issue. Meetings are proforma bullshit.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 5:38 pm || Up

                  I think the question is how much we trust voters to decide for themselves.

                  And the answer is not 100%. But it seems to me it should be more than the way the standard is applied here.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • AV Jan 30,2012 5:59 pm || Up

                  maybe you just hit on my personal cognitive dissonance with how politics really are. i always think politicians need to find out what i think in order to represent that thought. i forget the way it really works is to get my thought represented i’m supposed to find and back someone who already thinks most like what i do. in the second case, a voter is reading the rep, the rep never needs to read the voter even if it might behoove them, and yeah, the main dialog happens between reps. but in my dream world, the more direct communication happens between the constituents and the rep, and then the communication between reps is a problem for government to facilitate.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • DFA Jan 30,2012 6:07 pm || Up

                  basically this

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • PaulThomas Jan 30,2012 7:26 pm || Up

        Pardon the descent into legalese, but this seems like the very epitome of a political question. A judge is going to tell people “Yeah, so that person there– I’m not allowing you to vote for them”?

        Really?

        Frankly, I don’t care if Donald Duck wins the damn election. If he does, he’s the councilman. If he can’t do the job (whether it’s because he speaks only Spanish or because he’s not real), fine, people get a shitty councilman. That’s what they wanted, so let them have it. If it really doesn’t work, they’ll figure it out and vote Donald out of office.

  17. SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 3:39 pm

    You beautiful people are busy bees on Mondays. I’m envious and repulsed at the same time. Mondays are my Saturdays. I run errands and finish it off with a slice of NY style pizza and a couple of pints of Arrogant Bastard at my favorite pizza shop.

    \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • gonealookin Jan 30,2012 3:49 pm || Up

      18 16 down, 64 66 to go.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 6:03 pm || Up

        Funny and half-true.

        I did walk four miles today. That’s got to serve as a bit of mitigation.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • aardvark Jan 30,2012 6:26 pm || Up

      Mondays are my sundays.

  18. FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 30,2012 4:16 pm

    This is awesome. To protest a horrible bill in the VA statehouse which would require women to have an ultrasound done before being allowed to seek an abortion, a State Senator attached an amendment requiring men to get a rectal exam before receiving a prescription for erectile dysfunction meds.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • elcroata Jan 30,2012 4:19 pm || Up

      It sure is

      Because survival is insufficient
    • danmerqury Jan 30,2012 4:19 pm || Up

      How in the world…?

      How does the bill (not the amendment) make any sort of logical sense? It absolutely baffles me.

      • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 4:25 pm || Up

        WOOK AT DA WIDDLE FETUS! IT’S GOT A WIDDLE SPINE! HOW CAN YOU KILL IT YOU HEARTLESS BITCH?

        Seems perfectly logical to me.

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • danmerqury Jan 30,2012 4:37 pm || Up

          I mean, I get that “aww, so cute….cancel my appointment next week, doc” is why they did it, but from ANY objective point of view, isn’t it obvious that this is wildly wrong?

          Also, I think I just answered my own question.

          • danmerqury Jan 30,2012 4:38 pm || Up

            Not to mention that this is coming from the small government party, but eh, that ship sailed long ago.

            • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 4:43 pm || Up

              But if you feel that a fetus is a person, then it’s relatively easily preventable murder.

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
              • DFA Jan 30,2012 5:23 pm || Up

                this. at least its logical. the rest of thier shit like the anti gay stuff is just absurd.

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 5:39 pm || Up

                This is true.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • the llama Jan 30,2012 10:14 pm || Up

                Right.

                Abortion-rights people *really* need to wrap their heads around the fact that pro-lifers believe that *abortion is murder*. Full stop. Unless you can convince the other side that a fetus is not a person, nothing else really matters.

                • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 12:54 am || Up

                  I do understand that, and for that reason I think pro-life/pro-choice is the hardest of the politicized social conflicts.

                  You’ll be able to guess which side I come out on, and I think no matter what you believe the extremist shit that abortion docs have to deal with is beyond the pale, but I have a lot of respect for the Catholic Church’s consistency on right-to-life issues.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • DFA Jan 31,2012 1:22 am || Up

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 31,2012 3:27 am || Up

                  Agreed.

                  However, rather than convince pro-lifers that a fetus is not a person, can’t we convince the pro-lifers to become pro-murder instead?

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • andeux Jan 31,2012 10:06 am || Up

                  I once had a friend tell me he was pro-abortion and pro-death penalty, because he just didn’t place a very high value on human life. Hard to argue with that.

                  TINSTAAFK
                • aardvark Jan 31,2012 2:00 pm || Up

                  Hard to argue with that.

                  Don’t want to test how much value he places on yours?

                • Kylianna Jan 31,2012 8:14 pm || Up

                  Hmmm.

                  I think you may be on to something.

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 7:07 am || Up

                  See! I don’t just spout this shit for shock value… at least not anymore!

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
            • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 5:39 pm || Up

              Small government, big social intervention!

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • PaulThomas Jan 30,2012 7:31 pm || Up

                Apparently the Let’s-Make-Sure-They-Ultrasound-Everybody-By-Checking-Up-on-Doctors-No-Pun-Intended Agency (LMSTUEBCUDNPIA for short) is not part of the 40% of government that will be cut the instant Newt is elected.

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 30,2012 4:30 pm || Up

        When one considers any extra barrier to be one extra chance for God’s will to prevail, then every such bill is a victory.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 30,2012 4:34 pm || Up

          Yeah, it seems like the thought process was “add more obstacles and hoops to jump through in order to deter more women from following through with it.”

          • PaulThomas Jan 30,2012 7:34 pm || Up

            Well, there’s also the “intentionally attempt to give women PTSD so that anyone who talks to them about it will realize how awful it is” part.

            As bad as the one is, the other is frankly obscene.

            • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 30,2012 8:19 pm || Up

              Seriously. I’m half surprised they didn’t include a clause stating that the woman must name the baby before she seeks to abort it.

          • Kylianna Jan 30,2012 9:33 pm || Up

            Pretty much exactly the thought process. Because yaaaaay extra, unnecessary costly procedures!

            The goal is to make it impossible for a woman to have an abortion in a timely fashion and get her past the point where an abortion is available in particular county or state. Or to freak her the fuck out. Because, y’know, we need to be shown the pretty picture and be given a description of what’s hangin’ out in our uterus because us poor wimmenz don’t know that THAR BE BABIEZ IN THERE, we’re not smart enough to know that.

            We just assumed it was a chestbursting alien and that Ellen Ripley would be along at any moment to fix the situation, HOW WOULD WE EVER KNOW OTHERWISE, WE JUST KNOW BABIES COME FROM STORKS.

            …Actually, if I were an OBGYN, I would totally wear a Sigourney Weaver mask.

            …God, no one would ever hire me to be around people.

      • Kylianna Jan 30,2012 9:25 pm || Up

        In a world of logic, it makes no sense. Unless, y’know, you hate women.

        • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 30,2012 9:28 pm || Up

          And there’s an obscenely large amount of that around, isn’t there?

          • MikeV Jan 30,2012 9:30 pm || Up

            I know I do.

            Wait, no. I FKing love women.

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

        • DFA Jan 31,2012 12:39 am || Up

          Not if you love fetuses. I think they are wrong. But if you believe it truly is killing people its hard to argue against an any means necissary approach.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 31,2012 3:29 am || Up

            or, we can relax our taboos on murder.

            Frankly, I think it’s FKing hypocritical for anybody other than a hardcore vegan to be pro-life.

            \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
            • PaulThomas Jan 31,2012 4:43 pm || Up

              I think even that’s hypocritical. Why’s it okay to kill the plants? The vegan’s “it’s okay to kill plants, but not animals” line is as arbitrary as mine, just a lot more sanctimonious.

              The only way to survive without killing things is by photosynthesis (well, unless you live near a deep sea vent, but we’ll skip that possibility, I think). And we ain’t figured that one out yet. So… until then, eat what you want, I’ll eat what I want, and that’s that.

              Now where’d I set my fetus burger down?

              • danmerqury Jan 31,2012 4:48 pm || Up

                Did you order the breaded placenta rings?

                • monkeyball Jan 31,2012 4:51 pm || Up

                  And the human ikura roll.

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • JediLeroy Jan 31,2012 7:49 pm || Up

                  Is that like the bukkake natto?

                  az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
                • monkeyball Jan 31,2012 8:27 pm || Up

                  Better than the bukkake Ratto!

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • JediLeroy Jan 31,2012 8:30 pm || Up

                  Ah, yes, the human ikura rolls.

                  az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 31,2012 6:17 pm || Up

                  It has been argued to me that one can consume placenta and still be considered vegan (something about renewable human bits being different, don’t ask me to explain. Same thing for, um., swallowing).

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • danmerqury Jan 31,2012 8:19 pm || Up

                  Wait…wouldn’t placenta and semen fall under the same rules that prohibit vegans from eating milk, eggs, and cheese?

                • ptbnl Jan 31,2012 8:34 pm || Up

                  Not if their production is not considered exploitative.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • monkeyball Jan 31,2012 8:36 pm || Up

                  So if it’s placenta from a stripper, it’s ok if she’s unionized?

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • Future Ed Jan 31,2012 8:38 pm || Up

                  SAG of AFTRA?

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • danmerqury Jan 31,2012 8:39 pm || Up

                  So…bull spunk, if someone were to harvest it and sell it, would be okay? Assuming the bulls enjoyed it.

              • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 31,2012 5:29 pm || Up

                Honestly, (moral) veganism makes less sense to me than vegetarianism*. As I understand it, the additional items that vegans cut out are not living things in the non-microbial sense (e.g. milk, unfertilized eggs, honey), so if the crux of your veganism is an anti-animal killing thing, what’s the issue with eating their by-products? If it’s an anti-exploitation and omg-look-at-the-huge-milk-farms-with-poor-conditions thing, why wouldn’t they just avoid mass-produced products and buy those items from farmer’s markets or something? I just don’t understand the reasoning behind it all.

                *And I don’t think (moral) vegetarianism makes much sense in the first place. I guess it’s some sort of vague attempt to look at the gradient of consciousness in living beings and choose a cut-off where consciousness is limited enough in the consumee as to be ok to eat, but it certainly does seem all kinds of arbitrary.

                • batgirl Jan 31,2012 6:59 pm || Up

                  Well, I can only speak for me, but I’m a vegan because of the anti-exploitation reasons you mentioned. (I would suspect many vegans are the same.) Factory farming is absolutely horrifying in the way it treats animals. McDonalds pushes its dollar menu, and people love getting a great, easy deal. But all the pennies that get shaved off those prices are at the cost of the brutal lives of these animals.

                  And as to your comment on avoiding mass-produced products, it’s just not all that easy. Is it really possible to know where the items at farmers markets come from? Do you just take the farmers word? Short of visiting all of the farms, how do you know? Honestly, if an animal was raised happily and was killed quickly and humanely, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. And I’m a realist. I know people love their meat. I guess I just wish meat wasn’t such a staple for the majority of the population. There are plenty of things that can be eaten that are delicious and provide ample protein, and I wish meat was a more “special” thing. Meaning you wouldn’t feel like it “wasn’t a meal without meat.” If people ate meat just one meal a day, or even better, just a few nights a week, I would find that wonderful. I also wish that more people would be willing to pay a higher premium for meat that is more humanely raised. To those of you who do that, I thank you.

                  And let me just say, I’m not perfect. I’m not trying to be holier-than-thou. I just try really, really hard to live my life as vegan as I can, because I believe very strongly in it. The biggest struggle has been what to feed my dogs. I’ve done tons of research on it and it’s hard to know where to come down. Right now I’m mixing mostly vegan dog food with a bit of meat food as it’s the best I can do right now and my girls seem to be thriving on it. But my goal for 2012 is to buy an animal from my friend’s 4H auction and use that to mix with their food. At least that way I will be able to track down how it was raised, and find out how/where it will be killed.

                  OK, rant over.

                • ptbnl Jan 31,2012 7:08 pm || Up

                  As one of those completely-impractical-but-wouldn’t-it-be-great schemes, I’d like people to have to slaughter their own meat.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • Future Ed Jan 31,2012 7:16 pm || Up

                  Its not that hard.

                  But yeah what batgirl said. I haven’t eaten meat in 20 some odd years, but I still do dairy. I don’t moralize about it, its just not my thing.

                  I am more the, my mom doesn’t eat it, so I grew up with a small amount of meat in my diet and when I was 19 I read Diet for a new america and went all the way.

                  PS I AM NOT A HIPPIE

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 31,2012 7:17 pm || Up

                  Heh.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • ptbnl Jan 31,2012 7:18 pm || Up

                  Not hard, no, just a dose of realism to connect people to what they’re eating.

                  That said, gutting rabbits is one of the most disgustingly smelly things I’ve ever done.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • batgirl Jan 31,2012 7:44 pm || Up

                  Hey, ptbnl, did you see Shirley Maclaine is going to be on Downton S3?! Can’t wait to see her lock horns with the Dowager Countess.

                  I’m two weeks behind, BTW. Are you up to speed?

                • ptbnl Jan 31,2012 8:31 pm || Up

                  I did see that. They’ve mentioned her character before (when Lady Grantham was pregnant), and she and the Dowager must have previous.

                  I’m up to date – caught up with the episodes I’d missed while traveling on the PBS website. The 2nd season is annoying me a bit though.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • the llama Jan 31,2012 7:58 pm || Up

                • PaulThomas Feb 1,2012 4:49 pm || Up

                  Are you also in favor of making people thresh their own wheat?

                  There’s a reason we have mass-production for this sort of thing. It’s better and cheaper. I don’t need to know how to slaughter an animal any more than I need to know how to repair clockwork.

                  (And I say this as someone who has, in fact, slaughtered an animal, and with chipped rocks and glass shards, at that [it was for a biological anthropology class]. My reaction to it was less disgust than irritation that I could not seem to get the pieces to slice off correctly.)

                • batgirl Jan 31,2012 7:18 pm || Up

                  I would like that too. But I would settle for everyone sitting down to a couple of Mercy for Animals videos before heading out to the grocery store.

                • the llama Jan 31,2012 7:57 pm || Up

                  I participated a few times in goat slaughter. It’s not easy, but the meat sure does taste good.

                • JediLeroy Jan 31,2012 8:13 pm || Up

                  I killed a few chickens in Guatemala for cooking. With a dull knife. Not a fun experience, but delicious.

                  az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 31,2012 7:16 pm || Up

                  You’re the most reasonable easy-going vegan I’ve ever chomped charred meat products in front of!

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • MikeV Jan 31,2012 7:34 pm || Up

                  What about fish?

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • batgirl Jan 31,2012 8:18 pm || Up

                  Oh gosh, from what I’ve read, in many cases farmed fish have it even worse from a living conditions standpoint.

                • MikeV Jan 31,2012 8:19 pm || Up

                  okay.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • DFA Jan 31,2012 10:24 pm || Up

                  yeah I definitely have cut out farmed fish from my diet due to the environmental implications.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • MikeV Jan 31,2012 10:26 pm || Up

                  the only fish I eat is sushi. I assume it’s OK.

                  if it’s not, well.. it tastes fine.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • andeux Jan 31,2012 8:08 pm || Up

                  FWIW, the Local Butcher Shop is making dog food now, and you can read about their sources. At some point, yes, you still basically have to take their word about it.

                  TINSTAAFK
                • batgirl Jan 31,2012 8:15 pm || Up

                  I’m very interested. Thank you for the info! I knew they sell bones for dogs, because my dad wanted to get them bones for Christmas, but for some reason he ended up not doing it.

                  What would be great is if it allowed them to use some of the parts of the animal that people don’t like eating. My dogs will eat anything, so they’d be glad to take the less appetizing parts. Heck, my dog ate a banana peel this afternoon.

                • ptbnl Jan 31,2012 8:36 pm || Up

                  What would be great is if it allowed them to use some of the parts of the animal that people don’t like eating.

                  The meat industry has repeatedly demonstrated that no such thing exists.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • DFA Jan 31,2012 10:28 pm || Up

                  My dog eats buffalo organ meat and Turkey necks in addition to his veggies.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • monkeyball Jan 31,2012 8:29 pm || Up

                  I am opposed to the unnecessarily cruel shaving of pennies. I predict that penny fur will be a delicacy within 10 years!

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 31,2012 8:50 pm || Up

                  I see your reasoning, and I can understand, but it just doesn’t resonate to me. As I see it, plants are as horribly mistreated as animals. It’s not as visceral an image, but the lack of concern for the object is similar. But you gotta eat something, right?

                  You do have a point in that you can verify that plants weren’t mistreated much easier than you can animals (in that you can grow your own garden and such). There are animals and animal by-products that are raised well and treated with respect though. Knowing with 100% certainty that you are buying those products is a challenge (and is definitely easier in a small town), but you can do it. However, if the exploitation thing is very important to you, and meat is less important to you than the effort it would take to find good sources(and you can accept plant mistreatment), then being a vegan would make sense for you.

                  I didn’t say all veganism doesn’t make sense to me (so I hope I didn’t offend you), just the type that believes eating animals is morally wrong at face value. I know some vegans who are vegans due to dietary issues (can’t handle meat very well) and some who fit the criteria above, and that’s all fine to me.

                  But people are going to do what they want and what feels right to them, not what makes sense to me. This is just my own personal thoughts. I’m not going to try and get people to change their dietary habits or anything.

                • DFA Jan 31,2012 10:30 pm || Up

                  There is also a lot of people that take the we waste too much/use to much energy/water/pesticides producing meat so we shouldn’t eat it folks. Thats quite logical.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • futwork Jan 31,2012 11:29 pm || Up

                  Environmental issues are definitely a good reason to go veg(etari)an, but you run the risk of…moral hazard? I hate that expression. But I know a lot of vegetarians/pescatarians who think that by disavowing meat, they’ve fulfilled their obligation to protecting the environment and need not do more. Swearing off meat entirely makes it easier to be environmentally responsible, but it doesn’t make you so in and of itself. If you’re eating California rice, your impact is far worse than somebody eating local grass-fed t-bone.

                  In general, I think labeling yourself detracts from the ethos that should be the main point, and lends itself to the sanctimony that often gets veggies in trouble. I’m not saying that anybody here is like that, of course. But it’s undeniable that there’s no black-and-white solution to eating sustainably. I think that declaring oneself a vegetarian can be a shortcut at times, one that keeps people from really thinking about the consequences of their decisions.

                • DFA Feb 1,2012 12:30 am || Up

                  I heart grass fed ribeyes its true.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • PaulThomas Feb 1,2012 4:53 pm || Up

                  This doesn’t distinguish meat from other forms of agriculture. All food in this country is massively subsidized relative to its true Pigouvian cost.

                • monkeyball Feb 1,2012 4:55 pm || Up

                  Compliant Pigouvian?

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • batgirl Feb 1,2012 6:38 am || Up

                  I just want to clarify here, so you think that plants are sentient beings?

                  Because I don’t, so it’s a pretty easy line to draw.

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 7:16 am || Up

                  I think they have a certain aggregate sentience…

                  like, on acid, one can have a few primitive words with a plant, but a whole conversation with a field of plants.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • andeux Feb 1,2012 9:41 am || Up

                  Fortunately one generally isn’t inclined to eat much of anything while on acid.

                  TINSTAAFK
                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 11:00 am || Up

                  heh…

                  Of course, the answer is for humans to evolve beyond the need for organic and/or even remotely-possibly-in-wildest-dreams-sentient food.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • monkeyball Feb 1,2012 11:05 am || Up

                  So … eat Republicans Slegna fans?

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • PaulThomas Feb 1,2012 5:03 pm || Up

                  I don’t know how anyone could possibly know or assume that all animals are “sentient.” I mean, the only way we know humans are is that we actually experience it ourselves!

                  In any case, though, the point is not that you cannot draw a line– there are plenty of links in the proverbial Great Chain of Being where arbitrary line-drawing can be done more or less effectively.

                  The point is that wherever you do it, it’s arbitrary. Okay, so eating most animals causes them to feel pain– does that make snakes and eagles into sadists? If not, why does it do so for humans? It can’t be because we’re omnivores; lots of animals are omnivores. There’s no logic to veganism– it’s essentially a religious position, which is fine, I guess, but I’m not interested in the religion.

                • batgirl Feb 1,2012 5:15 pm || Up

                  Ugh, I’ve heard this “snakes and eagles…” argument several times over the past few days in different settings and it holds zero water for me. The difference is that snakes and eagles do not keep the animals they kill in inhumane living conditions for months and sometimes years prior to killing them.

                • the llama Feb 1,2012 9:04 pm || Up

                  Living in the fucking sand sounds pretty inhumane to me…

                • monkeyball Feb 1,2012 9:32 pm || Up

                  #thar

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • the llama Feb 1,2012 9:04 pm || Up

                  (I’m trolling, btw)

                • PaulThomas Feb 1,2012 9:37 pm || Up

                  Fine, snakes and eagles aren’t bad enough for you? There’s a certain species of wasp which injects its eggs into a caterpillar. All of them hatch and grow by feeding on its innards. One of the larvae sticks around and turns the caterpillar into a zombie bodyguard. The rest go into a cocoon state and later emerge as new parasitic wasps.

                  There is no way to describe this behavior other than “palpably evil.” But it’s completely, 100% natural. Nature is far more morally fucked up than anything humans have ever come up with. Morality is a social, intraspecies phenomenon that has no cross-species allegory.

                • monkeyball Feb 1,2012 9:42 pm || Up

                  Welp. That explain’s iglew’s behavior.

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • the llama Feb 1,2012 9:45 pm || Up

                • elcroata Feb 1,2012 11:16 pm || Up

                  Now, there is that book idea I’ve been waiting for

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • elcroata Feb 1,2012 2:28 am || Up

                  Great points. I mostly never buy meat anywhere but in the Bio-shops and my local butcher’s. A chicken costs around $10 in those, whereas you can buy it for $2 in the supermarket. Now, how can anyone imagine that both the farmer and the supermarket (and anyone else in the production chain) can make a profit selling a normal chicken for $2 beats me.

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • PaulThomas Feb 1,2012 5:03 pm || Up

                  Here in America, I think they make most of the profit by getting the government to pay them not to produce chickens that only cost $1.50!

                • monkeyball Feb 1,2012 5:18 pm || Up

                  In futile stimulative USA, I think they make most of the profit by getting the chickens to pay them not to produce government

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • JediLeroy Feb 1,2012 6:13 pm || Up

                  asvd

                  az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
                • the llama Feb 1,2012 9:05 pm || Up

                  I don’t know, but the cheap availability of poultry protein has likely done wonders for society-wide nutrition.

                • elcroata Feb 1,2012 11:17 pm || Up

                  Body-builders?

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 31,2012 7:14 pm || Up

                  The gradient of consciousness between animals and plants doesn’t really feel all that hard to discern to me. You can argue a bit about mollusks and bugs or whatever, but for the most part it’s pretty clear. So if not doing wrong by another consciousness is your thing, that seems pretty internally consistent to me. I’m not a vegetarian, though.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • batgirl Jan 31,2012 7:23 pm || Up

                  Well said, you meat-eating FKer.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 31,2012 8:24 pm || Up

                  I disagree, but it’s all about how you view consciousness. Personally, I don’t believe consciousness to be tied to external characteristics we can easily identify (like movement), so the consciousness line of reasoning really isn’t consistent to me.

                • batgirl Feb 1,2012 6:49 am || Up

                  OK, you’re getting pretty deep here.

                  I guess all I would say is that there is an external characteristic with animals that can be easily identified: visible and auditory signs of an animal in pain and terror. We know this exists. So to say “well, plants might be feeling the same thing, so let’s just continue to subject animals to these conditions”…what does that even mean?

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 7:19 am || Up

                  Okay, now I’m getting even deeper into this shit, but I have another devils’ advocate-style point to bring up…

                  I don’t think that it’s a universal reaction to recoil in horror at the signs of an animal in pain and terror.

                  I mean, I’m socialized enough to help the animal or put it out of its’ misery, but primally, an animal in pain and terror is going to make me hungry and horny.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • PaulThomas Feb 1,2012 5:09 pm || Up

                  Same here. I’m very much of a speciesist: I like and dislike species. If I dislike a species, I enjoy seeing it offed.

                  Loathing is not an invalid emotion.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Feb 1,2012 10:06 am || Up

                  I think it’s short-sighted to claim that certain beings don’t feel pain because they don’t have the external characteristics humans recognize as communicating pain (e.g. eyes to get wide in terror, mouths to yell, etc.). I don’t like subjecting anything to the kind of conditions you’re thinking of. It makes less sense to me to say “it’s ok to subject this type of being to terrible conditions but not that one.”

                  I have a more far-reaching view of consciousness than most people (veg[atari]an or otherwise), I’m just not as anti-death. I don’t see a distinct and non-arbitrary place to draw that “it’s ok to eat this” line, so I choose not to draw one at all. I certainly make exceptions to that (e.g. humans, endangered animals), but that’s on a species-by-species basis.

            • the llama Jan 31,2012 7:56 pm || Up

              No, because I believe in human exceptionalism.

              • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 7:22 am || Up

                I had to look that one up.

                I think I might be against human exceptionalism in the abstract, but good luck doing anything about it in the here & now.

                \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • the llama Feb 1,2012 9:06 pm || Up

                  funny, I just made it up on the spot as an analog to American Exceptionalism.

          • Kylianna Jan 31,2012 7:24 am || Up

            Except for the most part, GOP and the pro-life movement have allowed the inclusion of rape/incest/health of the mother clauses into anti-abortion legislation. If it’s REALLY about the fetuses, then that wouldn’t matter, it’d be murder regardless of the woman’s situation.

            Now, however, if it’s not about the fetuses but controlling women’s bodies and punishing Those Damn Women for having sex…

            • elcroata Jan 31,2012 7:26 am || Up

              HOW DARE YOU HAVE SEX!

              Because survival is insufficient
              • Kylianna Jan 31,2012 8:15 pm || Up

                The internet was out. :(

                • MikeV Jan 31,2012 8:19 pm || Up

                  NEXT TIME CALL ME

                  oh, shit, wait.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence (UM) Jan 31,2012 8:51 pm || Up

                  Hah!

                • monkeyball Jan 31,2012 8:30 pm || Up

                  TEH INTERNET IS GAY? DOES ITS MOTHER AL GORE KNOW?

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • Kylianna Jan 31,2012 9:24 pm || Up

                  Next time, on Maury

                • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Feb 1,2012 7:26 am || Up

                  The internet needs more vibrating attachments before we can start calling it gay.

                  However, I did just check out the specs of a homemade electromagnetic self-bondage chair with computer-motor-controlled components. Crazy shit…

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • JediLeroy Feb 1,2012 8:23 am || Up

                  THE INTERNET IS MICHAEL WESTEN.

                  az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
            • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 9:37 am || Up

              I would be careful about going down that road. 1) because lots of pro-lifers do not like those clauses, so it doesn’t prove much and 2) because acknowledging (even in a way I find insufficient) that there are two lives at stake shouldn’t be evidence of bad faith.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • DFA Jan 31,2012 10:32 am || Up

              Thats mostly tactical though because they recognize that the SC and voters wouldn’t allow it without exceptions.

              Its a combination of both fetus love and opression of women.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • Kylianna Jan 31,2012 8:12 pm || Up

                Except putting their tactics over their beliefs? Pssshh.

                (That’s what I enjoy about the occasional legislation without exceptions, watching it get SHOT DOWN HARD)

                • DFA Jan 31,2012 10:32 pm || Up

                  If you could only stop 80% of the Rawandan Genocide would you? Its the same argument. Again I think their wrong, but they are logical on this point.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • PaulThomas Jan 31,2012 4:45 pm || Up

            We don’t do “anything necessary” to stop homicide in the real world…

            • DFA Jan 31,2012 5:11 pm || Up

              True but that doesn’t stop the argument that decreasing murder is always good.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • MikeV Jan 31,2012 8:32 pm || Up

                “Some people need killin'”

                And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                Thanks, and go As.

    • ptbnl Jan 30,2012 4:37 pm || Up

      So apparently sometimes government-mandated healthcare is a good thing?

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • nobody in particular Jan 30,2012 4:51 pm || Up

      Those Republicans… if you’re a zygote in the womb before you’re born or a brain-dead vegetable on a respirator at the end of your life, they have got you covered. Anywhere in between, and you are on your own.

      Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
  19. gonealookin Jan 30,2012 5:00 pm

    I hadn’t noticed any mention of this but looking up the case docs, the Braden malpractice case was settled before trial.

    What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 5:41 pm || Up

      I’ve never seen that settlement form before.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  20. lenscrafters Jan 30,2012 5:08 pm
    • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 5:53 pm || Up

      Damn. You beat me to it.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 5:56 pm || Up

      Also…

      According to Topps, it’s the first time in company history that a player’s card has not featured the player’s face.

      I could have sworn there were some where the face was even more obscured than these.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 30,2012 6:08 pm || Up

        Dammit, Saint, Shane Mack is not all that and a bag of chips!

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
      • lenscrafters Jan 30,2012 6:10 pm || Up

        Hopefully that would include some Willie McGee cards.

    • Kylianna Jan 30,2012 9:34 pm || Up

      I am totally getting this card.

      It’ll live next to my Puffer/Bong card.

    • Leopold Bloom Jan 31,2012 1:40 am || Up

      c’mere squirrel! [happily chases after squirrel]

  21. FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 30,2012 5:22 pm

    Oh well, it was a nice thought anyway.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 5:35 pm || Up

      Failure Court

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 30,2012 5:37 pm || Up

        Lew’s always courted failure in Oakland.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 5:39 pm || Up

          I’d say Lew is a failure bigamist.

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 5:57 pm || Up

      I still think they should move the Raiders into SC and the A’s into SF (at least temporarily while the rebuild the Coli). It’s a super accessible location.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  22. nevermoor Jan 30,2012 6:02 pm

    How the mighty have fallen.

    Zito and Wells are starting to age out of their catstro-tracts.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • ptbnl Jan 30,2012 6:14 pm || Up

      The misunderstanding of back-loaded contracts in these kinds of pieces drives me nuts.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • monkeyball Jan 30,2012 6:25 pm || Up

        #babygotbackloaded

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • nevermoor Jan 30,2012 6:32 pm || Up

        Sure, but there’s no argument for either of them as #1 any more because they’ve already caused so much pain.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • Ed Jan 30,2012 6:50 pm || Up

      why isn’t Evan Longoria on that list. Its got to be one of the top ten worst contracts

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  23. the llama Jan 30,2012 11:37 pm
  24. elcroata Jan 31,2012 7:09 am
    Because survival is insufficient
    • aardvark Jan 31,2012 8:11 am || Up

      That’s awesome.

    • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 9:41 am || Up

      That’ll be the best thing I read today.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • DFA Jan 31,2012 10:32 pm || Up

      BACK WAGES MOTHER FUCKER… we should make that dude an organizer… hes got that shit down.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  25. elcroata Jan 31,2012 7:13 am

    I have my first bike!

    Of course, I took a wrong turn driving it home, and ended on a freeway for a short stint. But, after that I drove through a huge city park Stuttgart has (definitely a city highlight), where everything was covered with fresh snow and almost nobody else was around. It was awesome.

    Because survival is insufficient
    • SPWC (Gaijin_Suketto) Jan 31,2012 8:10 am || Up

      Nice and practical.

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 9:42 am || Up

      So you went from not being able to ride to riding on the freeway in 48 hours? I’d better hurry up and register ecfacts.com

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • elcroata Jan 31,2012 10:38 am || Up

        I was on a freeway for something like 2 minutes, Didn’t really feel very comfortable, as I still don’t really control the direction 100%. OTOH, I can go really fast

        Because survival is insufficient
        • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 10:49 am || Up

          Sure, but this is a thing now and you’re just going to have to accept that the Flintstones give their children El Croata vitamins.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • batgirl Jan 31,2012 10:21 am || Up

      My first bike was from Sears. It was painted in a rainbow from end to end and had a banana seat with a rainbow and maybe a smiley face sun on it. I wish I had a photo of it.

      • Leopold Bloom Jan 31,2012 10:39 am || Up

        I lof you.

      • Ed Jan 31,2012 12:31 pm || Up

        hand me down. the answer to “My first [anything]” is hand me down.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • DFA Jan 31,2012 10:33 am || Up

      I thought you would get something more agressive.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • elcroata Jan 31,2012 10:39 am || Up

        Yeah, I almost did. Mrs. EC has an old bike, so I got this one, which she will use when I’m not at home and then inherit when I get a better idea what kinds of bikes there are, what they are good for and what I have fun with

        Because survival is insufficient
  26. elcroata Jan 31,2012 7:14 am

    How do they choose cheerleaders for Pro Bowl? is there a voting system?

    Because survival is insufficient
    • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 9:42 am || Up

      I bet they just have auditions. Cheerleaders are generally unpaid/compensated for expenses, so I don’t see why they’d particularly care who they wound up with in the SB.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • elcroata Jan 31,2012 10:39 am || Up

        Cheerleaders on that level are unpaid? Really? Wow.

        Because survival is insufficient
        • nevermoor Jan 31,2012 10:50 am || Up

          Yep, it’s just self-promotion (and there are plenty of attractive women in NFL cities who are willing to spend a couple hours a week scantily-clad to get on national TV).

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • Ed Jan 31,2012 12:32 pm || Up

          Yup, they get to have a licensed uni that they can trot out to bars and hope to make money somehow.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • AV Jan 31,2012 12:37 pm || Up

            trot is right… anyone else get the image of war-painted clydesdales when you hear the term cheerleader?

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • futwork Jan 31,2012 6:37 pm || Up

          At least the Jaguars cheerleaders get a nominal sum (~$50/game) plus occasional appearance fees, but yeah it’s hardly a living wage. I think the main benefit is increased modeling / dance company opportunities via networking and (plenty of) exposure.

          • Future Ed Jan 31,2012 6:45 pm || Up

            and bringing, then signing, team pictures at bars and selling them to drunken louts.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
  27. lenscrafters Jan 31,2012 8:51 pm

    • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 31,2012 8:53 pm || Up

      Nice!

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • the llama Jan 31,2012 8:56 pm || Up

      I don’t get Independents as seen by Republicans or Democrats.

      • lenscrafters Jan 31,2012 9:24 pm || Up

        Yeah, I think they were going for independents being seen as oddballs (by democrats) and oddballs/potentially dangerous (by republicans). It seems like a bit of a stretch.

        Independents/Independents is amusingly spot on though.

  28. the llama Jan 31,2012 9:14 pm

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