Happy Kraut Tamping Day! ← FREE KRAUT!

Happy Kraut Tamping Day! 320

I’ve been tamping my kraut all morning.

My people traditionally perform a F(il)K of one of The Old Songs on this Day of Tamping, but I’m conflicted — “Tamp the Kraut Down” is a perfect title, but the tone and narrative is inappropriate for a day of celebration (plus, who would the bilious target be? Beane? Crywolffisher? Mordant, even for me), whereas “The FK Haz a Tamp” has the opposite problem.

KOTD:

Choucroute garnie ($25) was all wrong: The house-made sauerkraut was so overcooked that it turned into mush, and lumps of potatoes were interspersed with fatty smoked bacon, a square of pork belly, a very dry pork chop and a half of a hot dog. It needed a lot of the Dijon mustard to bring it around.

Frites sound good, anyway.

320 thoughts on “Happy Kraut Tamping Day!

  1. monkeyball Jan 6,2012 8:05 am

    Another F(il)K option: “Tamp My Kraut at the Ballgame”

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor Jan 6,2012 10:01 am || Up

      That’s a good one.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  2. elcroata Jan 6,2012 8:08 am

    Wait? You seriously make your own saeurkraut?

    Because survival is insufficient
    • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 8:11 am || Up

      No, actually I don’t. I’ve been {ahem} “tamping my kraut.”

      I do want to make kraut — it’s apparently very easy. Just takes a bit of planning, and space to leave the jar to sit unmolested in a dark corner (#bloom).

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • Leopold Bloom Jan 6,2012 8:19 am || Up

        There is no jar, Eli. I’m being removed from the bloomhome.

        • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 8:22 am || Up

          Dang. Wha’happ’n?

          (Snarky retort [I think Sal used one of those for his thesis]: with all your jobs, you have need for a place to sleep?)

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • Leopold Bloom Jan 6,2012 8:29 am || Up

            LOL, ironic, huh?

            My roommate’s ex/girlfriend, with whom he originally split and thus there was space here for me, has decided to move back in.

            She and me…we don’t really get along, so my paranoid alcoholic brain has her relishing in this. Which is probably not accurate, and, even if it is, is her problem, not mine.

            But, yes. Tell Meesus to prepare the couch.

            • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 9:52 am || Up

              Cant sleep, cats will pee on you

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • nevermoor Jan 6,2012 10:02 am || Up

              Oh. yuck.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • Soaker Jan 6,2012 10:52 am || Up

              If you’re satisfied with your long-term job stability now this seems like a blessing in disguise, if a short-term inconvenience. 40+ is getting awfully late to be on the roommate merry-go-round. You want to share a roof, that should probably be a relationship.

              What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
            • lynnzgal Jan 6,2012 6:15 pm || Up

              Just when you thought everything was set, right? Challenges? Challenges.

              • Leopold Bloom Jan 6,2012 7:35 pm || Up

                Sponsor said something similar tonight–opportunity.

                • lynnzgal Jan 10,2012 7:44 pm || Up

                  This is when I would recite the mantra against fear.

        • elcroata Jan 6,2012 8:26 am || Up

          Why don’t you just send an e-mail and ask to be reinstated?

          Because survival is insufficient
          • Leopold Bloom Jan 6,2012 8:30 am || Up

            FK that. I’m happy here.

            • nobody in particular Jan 6,2012 9:42 am || Up

              Bubs you know you can drive down and crash w/us in the spare room, right?

              Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
              • Leopold Bloom Jan 6,2012 3:26 pm || Up

                was referring to **.

                • nobody in particular Jan 6,2012 6:45 pm || Up

                  I know, I was just saying if you needed to have a place to live :)

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • Leopold Bloom Jan 6,2012 7:35 pm || Up

                  Thanks, man~

          • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 9:51 am || Up

            lol

            you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • elcroata Jan 6,2012 8:22 am || Up

        Yeah, it’s just one of them word plays that’s over my head, but I’m fairly accustomed to making a fool out of myself by not understanding much in any language.

        It is very easy, by the way. You only need salt and water, weights and some time.

        Because survival is insufficient
        • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 8:23 am || Up

          Well, not so much wordplay as it was me jumping on your comment yesterday, making a dumb joke, and then running it into the ground.

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • elcroata Jan 6,2012 8:25 am || Up

          can you buy fermented cabbage where you guys live? And I mean not sliced kind, but the whole “cabbage head(?)”

          Because survival is insufficient
          • elcroata Jan 6,2012 8:38 am || Up

            something like this
            Kiselo zelje

            Because survival is insufficient
            • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 6,2012 8:55 am || Up

              I have never seen that around here, but besides one food cart, there’s only one Balkan restaurant/market in town and I’ve never been.

              A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
            • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 9:12 am || Up

              What does one do with a fermented cabbage head if one doesn’t slice it up?

              \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
              • elcroata Jan 6,2012 9:23 am || Up

                Sarma!

                I’ll be making one tomorrow, so I’ll post the pictorial-recipe

                Because survival is insufficient
                • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 9:54 am || Up

                  Excellent.

                  Bread and deep-fry one of those suckers.

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • nevermoor Jan 6,2012 10:03 am || Up

                  Cool!

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 9:52 am || Up

              BRAINS!

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 9:55 am || Up

              Frank’s Quality Kraut Head

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
              • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 9:56 am || Up

                Quality since 1985!

                (quality slipped a little during Frank’s Wild Years)

                \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 10:06 am || Up

                  Never could stand that dog.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
            • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 10:05 am || Up

              Would work well with this project too.

              "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  3. grover Jan 6,2012 8:38 am

    BP’s Kevin Goldstein just put up his Oakland list.

    5 Stars

    Choice

    4 Stars

    Parker
    Cole
    Peacock
    Gray
    Norris
    Green

    3 Stars

    Carter
    Cowgill
    Alcantara
    Stassi

    I’d link but it’s members only.

    • WaddellCanseco Jan 6,2012 8:41 am || Up

      Milone was not in the Top 20. I’m not sure whether that’s because he isn’t a prospect anymore or isn’t a prospect period.

      • grover Jan 6,2012 8:50 am || Up

        He should still qualify as a prospect due of IP. I honestly think KG forgot about him, because how else could he justify calling Peacock the most advanced prospect the A’s received from Washington?

        • DFA Jan 6,2012 10:00 am || Up

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • grover Jan 6,2012 10:19 am || Up

            Understandable.

            I still don’t understand the “advanced” comment.

            • WaddellCanseco Jan 6,2012 11:28 am || Up

              Sounds like he means Peacock can outpitch Milone right now.

              • aardvark Jan 6,2012 4:26 pm || Up

                Grover asked him and he responded in the comments. It seems like your interpretation is correct. If I understand what he is saying, if you put both Milone and Peacock in a big league rotation right now Peacock would do better.

            • DFA Jan 6,2012 4:22 pm || Up

              I mean if you don’t think that hes a viable MLB pitcher, you probably wouldn’t say hes more advanced right?

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • nevermoor Jan 6,2012 10:23 am || Up

            But… Greg Maddux!!!

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 10:24 am || Up

              Greg Maddux… Gentleman, Scholar, Pitcher, Poker Player.

              \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • WaddellCanseco Jan 6,2012 11:28 am || Up

          Apparently he just thinks Milone sucks, but on the other hand he loves Weeks and thinks Reddick is a real starting OF.

    • nevermoor Jan 6,2012 10:03 am || Up

      I’m surprised to see Stassi with 3 stars. And none of the new guys with 5.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • andeux Jan 6,2012 10:23 am || Up

      Peacock
      Gray
      Green

      We’re gonna have one hell of a Clue team.

      TINSTAAFK
      • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 10:25 am || Up

        It was Nobody In Particular, with the Krauthammer, in the rundown ballpark, FTW!

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 11:43 am || Up

        Guffaw!

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • the llama Jan 6,2012 10:34 pm || Up

        We’ve gotta make Peacock the team Captain.

      • ptbnl Jan 6,2012 10:49 pm || Up

        My sister’s family have a tradition of an xmas afternoon game of clue (or cluedo in the uk).

        There was some confusion shuffling the cards this year, and they abandoned play after an hour to discover that it was Colonel Mustard in the Library with Professor Plum – using some kind of hypnotic trance he picked up during his time with the regiment in India, I’d guess.

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
        • Future Ed Jan 6,2012 10:50 pm || Up

          that made me laugh

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • dmoas Jan 6,2012 10:56 pm || Up

          I wooooonder what they were doing in there. I’m sure Ms. Peacock would *NOT* approve.

          • the llama Jan 6,2012 10:58 pm || Up

            Mr. Humphries might!

            • wacchampions Jan 6,2012 11:05 pm || Up

              How did Miss Scarlett feel about all this?

              • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 7,2012 7:36 am || Up

                Her face turned red.

                \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • aardvark Jan 6,2012 4:14 pm || Up

      A couple of additional notes:
      He says Cardenas was considered for the list but didnt make it because he doesn’t have a defensive home and his secondary skills aren’t there.

      Ynoa: “there’s no way I can rank a guy who has thrown nine innings in three seasons.”

      FDLS would have been number 11 had he been eligible

      KG things Reddick can be a solid every day player with 20hr and good defense.

  4. FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 9:50 am
    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  5. No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 6,2012 9:57 am
    A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
    • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 10:09 am || Up

      What does Heritage call additional provisions attached to their standard seller’s contract?

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • the llama Jan 6,2012 10:35 pm || Up

      That’s a lot of money for something that was faked in a studio.

  6. No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 6,2012 10:02 am

    Must go to this next year.

    A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
    • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 6,2012 10:08 am || Up
      A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
  7. spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 10:26 am

    Hey DFA, you have the first two Human League albums, right?

    “Reproduction” and “Travelogue” are super creamy classic synthpop.

    David Bowie said they were the sound of 1980… in August of 1979.

    \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • DFA Jan 6,2012 11:59 am || Up

      I do. I love Human League mostly because of an old ex and the Mighty Boosch.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 6,2012 12:55 pm || Up

        I prefer Heaven 17.

        A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
        • DFA Jan 6,2012 2:22 pm || Up

          Haven’t heard of them. Ill have to check them out.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • Future Ed Jan 6,2012 2:29 pm || Up

            gak

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • AV Jan 6,2012 2:31 pm || Up

            quick, name all the band names inspired by a single scene in clockwork orange!

            H17’s big hit. new wave with quite a disco vibe.

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
            • WaddellCanseco Jan 6,2012 2:36 pm || Up

              Also Fascist Groove Thing

            • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 6,2012 2:40 pm || Up

              Also Temptation. I’m partial to That’s No Lie, as well.

              @DFA, H17 was a splinter group formed out of Human League. Key difference is where Human League went all-electronica, H17 used actual bass and drums. Also, generally more soulful sound.

              A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
              • DFA Jan 6,2012 3:17 pm || Up

                Nice… I didn’t know that!

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 6,2012 3:23 pm || Up

                  Also, one of the members of HL, Jo Callis, was originally in the punk band Rezillos, best known for “Someone’s Gonna Get Their Head KKicked In Tonight,” but with many other comic book-inspired songs, kind of a punk version of B52s. Maybe not your cuppajoe, but fun nonetheless.

                  A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
                • Future Ed Jan 6,2012 3:28 pm || Up

                  He was even on Top of the pops, but I suppose everyone was.

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • AV Jan 6,2012 3:31 pm || Up

                  if you haven’t, you MUST listen to early HL. the sound we associate with a lot of the electronic post punk bands is often a slickened version of who they really were.


                  circus of death

                  boiled alive

                  even earlier: interface

                  see also cab voltaire, scritti politti

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
            • DFA Jan 6,2012 2:42 pm || Up

              oooooh this is good…. i will have to download them.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • AV Jan 6,2012 3:17 pm || Up

                they were not a very consistent band. so proceed at your own risk!

                *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • DFA Jan 6,2012 3:19 pm || Up

                  its ok i have an entire old computer that is just my music.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 12:13 pm || Up

      About the only “old-ex” music in my life is The Magnetic Fields.

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 1:05 pm || Up

        The best music which I still enjoy that was introduced to me by an old ex is, ironically, X.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Future Ed Jan 6,2012 1:35 pm || Up

          let me introduce you to the austrailian band of the same name

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • WaddellCanseco Jan 6,2012 2:18 pm || Up

            Unfortunately they never really suck suck suck suck ceded

            • Future Ed Jan 6,2012 2:18 pm || Up

              asvd

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 7:17 pm || Up

              X… X… The Ex…

              none of them do it for me.

              \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
              • AV Jan 6,2012 9:11 pm || Up

                xtc? y&t? zz top?

                *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 9:14 pm || Up

                  That sandwich has some fine bread, but terrible filler.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • DFA Jan 6,2012 2:24 pm || Up

          not really my style

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • doctorK Jan 6,2012 8:26 pm || Up

          Oh man, I loved X back in the day. I remember seeing them at the Crest Theater on the K-Street mall in Sacramento – they were doing a great show until some jackass emptied a fire extinguisher into the place.

        • monkeyball Jan 7,2012 6:52 pm || Up

          You know who else loves X?

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • Leopold Bloom Jan 7,2012 7:10 pm || Up

            I liked it. I wouldn’t say I loved it…

            • monkeyball Jan 8,2012 7:35 am || Up
              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • Future Ed Jan 8,2012 8:10 am || Up

              i loved it.

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • Leopold Bloom Jan 8,2012 8:15 am || Up

                Loved Acid. And PCP.

                And gin. And Colt 45.

                • Future Ed Jan 8,2012 8:31 am || Up

                  never had pcp. thank god, I might of thought I was Bowie

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • WaddellCanseco Jan 8,2012 9:03 am || Up

                  So….you’re not?

                • dmoas Jan 8,2012 9:41 am || Up

                  Count me among the disappointed.

                • Future Ed Jan 8,2012 9:48 am || Up

                  black randy

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • spwc2012 (write-in candidate) Jan 8,2012 6:46 pm || Up

                  awwww….

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
      • DFA Jan 6,2012 2:23 pm || Up

        I meet most of my friends as well as girlfriends/flings/lovers at dance clubs so some music is going to have to be theirs. I like to keep what I like.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • the llama Jan 6,2012 10:37 pm || Up
        • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 7,2012 7:38 am || Up

          That’s double ironic.

          On the actual “69 Love Songs” triple album (my #1 album of 1999, BTW), one of the lyrics is

          “I took a pen in my own hand, and wrote you a hundred tunes. Now I’m crazy for you but not that crazy…”

          \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
          • nobody in particular Jan 7,2012 9:09 am || Up

            I lof the song “The Luckiest Guy on the Lower East Side,” one of the catchiest tunes ever ever ever IMO.

            Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
          • sslinger Jan 8,2012 7:09 pm || Up

            I loved it when I first got it, but it has never stuck in a regular rotation. I need to go back and re-listen to it.

            My daughter is involved in the Uni project, which is founded by Leslie and Sam Davol. She’ll run the Boston Uni if/when it comes to pass.

    • WaddellCanseco Jan 6,2012 12:14 pm || Up

      Not sure what you mean by “super creamy classic synthpop”, but those albums sound more robotic to me than poppy. Not quite Kraftwerk but certainly not Abba.

      • DFA Jan 6,2012 2:24 pm || Up

        I love ausie synth pop.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • WaddellCanseco Jan 6,2012 2:32 pm || Up

          Rose Tattoo?

          • DFA Jan 6,2012 2:43 pm || Up

            Sam La More
            Empire of the Sun
            PNAU
            Cut Copy
            KYLIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            etc

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • Glorious Mundy Jan 6,2012 4:44 pm || Up

              I just became aware of Cut Copy the other day. Good stuff.

              • DFA Jan 7,2012 12:10 am || Up

                Yeah ive been into them for like 3 and a half years now… really excellent. Though Zonoscope isn’t nearly as good as their other albums.

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2012 10:30 am || Up

                  Yeah, I’m old.

                • DFA Jan 7,2012 11:21 am || Up

                  Ive seen them like four or five times live. Lotta energy live.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 7:21 pm || Up

        Abba wasn’t creamy. Abba was frothy santorum.

        Fixed

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
  8. monkeyball Jan 6,2012 10:28 am
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor Jan 6,2012 10:29 am || Up

      That’s a great hire.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  9. monkeyball Jan 6,2012 10:32 am

    Actually, in my professional opinion, it’s far more likely to be ointment

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  10. monkeyball Jan 6,2012 11:32 am

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • the llama Jan 6,2012 10:39 pm || Up

      • monkeyball Jan 7,2012 6:53 pm || Up

        Needs the Ginterized version

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • the llama Jan 7,2012 8:00 pm || Up

          Yeah, I was looking for that but couldn’t find it.

  11. nevermoor Jan 6,2012 12:38 pm

    Provided without comment.
    photo (40)

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  12. nevermoor Jan 6,2012 12:39 pm

    Spreading Santorum will cost money. Which he now has.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • elcroata Jan 6,2012 12:48 pm || Up

      Super PAC sounds like a football conference

      Because survival is insufficient
    • futwork Jan 6,2012 1:20 pm || Up

      Fully half of the team names at this week’s Bobby G’s trivia night were lewd references to Santorum. Yet somehow “Consensual Petting Zoo” took home the prize for best moniker.

  13. nevermoor Jan 6,2012 12:41 pm

    The whole experimenting on Democracy in the states thing is interesting.

    Sometimes good.

    Connecticut legislators grabbed the national spotlight in 2005 by stopping the flow of millions of special-interest dollars, banning lobbyist contributions, and instituting a public-financing system that record-setting numbers of candidates have embraced.

    Sometimes bad.

    In Wisconsin, they’re going to have to deal with a brand new voter suppression law, while conducting a recall, and preparing for the 2012 elections. That’s just an enormous amount of work for people on the ground.

    (though at this point I think anything Walker / Kasich do is good news for Obama)

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  14. nevermoor Jan 6,2012 12:42 pm
    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  15. nevermoor Jan 6,2012 12:44 pm

    Flying cars!

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • JediLeroy Jan 6,2012 1:53 pm || Up

      That’s pretty FKing cool.

      az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
      • andeux Jan 6,2012 2:04 pm || Up

        It’s also not real.

        TINSTAAFK
        • the llama Jan 6,2012 10:41 pm || Up

          My thought, too. Liquid N2 isn’t anywhere cold enough to get quantum effects.

  16. monkeyball Jan 6,2012 12:49 pm

    … of course, I could do an entire album of F(il)Ks and call it Kraut Tamp Replica

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 12:50 pm || Up

      … which is also a label on a display at our Cultural (heh) Heritage Museum

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  17. monkeyball Jan 6,2012 1:01 pm
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor Jan 6,2012 1:20 pm || Up

      Monte Python should get royalties.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  18. AV Jan 6,2012 1:45 pm

    we’re number 5! we’re number 5! (which is pretty good, actually.)

    *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 1:52 pm || Up

      Go for the canal. Stay for everything else.

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • elcroata Jan 6,2012 2:02 pm || Up

      We’re number 36!

      17/45 (2,4,5,7,8, 10,12,16,19,24, 29,31,32,36,39, 40,45) – I’m a .300+ hitter!

      Because survival is insufficient
      • No Broader Work (PDXAthleticsfan) Jan 6,2012 2:16 pm || Up

        At least I crack the Mendoza line – 10/45 (4,5,11,14,16,24,28,30,34,42)

        A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
        • AV Jan 6,2012 2:33 pm || Up

          my numbers are low, but i’ve been to mendoza.

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
          • wacchampions Jan 6,2012 6:14 pm || Up

            Yes, but have you ever been to Mendota?

            • 5Aces Jan 6,2012 11:38 pm || Up

              I had a friend who always swore that Malaga sounds like an exotic vacation getaway.

              Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
              • wacchampions Jan 6,2012 11:39 pm || Up

                Right up there with Madera!

              • elcroata Jan 7,2012 3:00 am || Up

                I am probably missing a joke, but I’ll ask anyway :)
                Why wouldn’t Málaga be an exotic vacation getaway?

                Because survival is insufficient
                • 5Aces Jan 7,2012 9:47 am || Up

                  It is a small area in the bad part of Fresno (which will make others laugh because that almost implies there is a GOOD part of Fresno).

                  If you like salvage yards and industrial recycling Malaga and Calwa in central CA may be for you!

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
                • dmoas Jan 7,2012 10:27 am || Up

                  Ah… you may not want to say that in front of Wac…

                • wacchampions Jan 7,2012 10:39 am || Up

                  Ah, the Metropolis of Calwa!

                • elcroata Jan 7,2012 11:06 am || Up

                  Thanks, I only knew of Spanish one

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • WaddellCanseco Jan 8,2012 9:04 am || Up

                  Me too. I’ve never been to Fresno….or even anywhere near Fresno.

                • DFA Jan 8,2012 10:29 am || Up

                  feel blessed.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • wacchampions Jan 8,2012 11:34 am || Up

                  Its FresYes to you mister!!

                • WaddellCanseco Jan 8,2012 1:33 pm || Up

                  Hee

                • 5Aces Jan 9,2012 9:27 am || Up

                  LOL!

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 6:13 pm || Up

          Wow. Only four for me…five if Dead shows can count as Space.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • nevermoor Jan 6,2012 2:04 pm || Up

      The NYT: “Go everywhere in CA except for LA and SF”.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 7:26 pm || Up

        Well, if I ever go to New York, I’ll be sure to explore what Rochester, Buffalo, and Albany have to offer.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • elcroata Jan 7,2012 3:01 am || Up

          A boring host aunt, a loss to Dolphins and a hot date in that order

          Because survival is insufficient
          • nevermoor Jan 7,2012 10:19 am || Up

            My host aunt is in Troy (just across from Albany), and she’s not boring!

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • lynnzgal Jan 6,2012 6:34 pm || Up

      B was excellent (the french press explosion aside). I would recommend.

      • Leopold Bloom Jan 6,2012 7:38 pm || Up

        LOL! I had forgotten about the French press explosion! The food was yummy!

        • lynnzgal Jan 10,2012 7:50 pm || Up

          That was magical actually, since I was wearing white pants!

          All I could hear in my head was Robert Duvall saying “I didn’t get any on you, did I?”

      • AV Jan 6,2012 9:17 pm || Up

        i had lunch there. it was good.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  19. monkeyball Jan 6,2012 1:59 pm
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  20. monkeyball Jan 6,2012 2:00 pm

    Go on, nm, keep telling people how much you don’t like Brazil.

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor Jan 6,2012 2:03 pm || Up

      A lot is how much I don’t like Brazil.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 7:27 pm || Up

        In theory or in practice?

        I think it’s a brilliantly themed movie with some great concepts and cinematography, but I’m with you as to not wanting to actually sit through it, at least not again.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • nevermoor Jan 6,2012 8:18 pm || Up

          I don’t think the concept is as deep as he thinks it is, and the movie is not… entertaining.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 8:52 pm || Up

            Love the concept, love the execution, beautiful and riveting, a brilliant film.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
            • AV Jan 6,2012 9:19 pm || Up

              i’m in between. laugh during the satire, roll my eyes at the wannaorwell.

              *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
            • andeux Jan 6,2012 10:09 pm || Up

              One of my top 5 movies of all time. Maybe #1 in shaping how I see the world.

              TINSTAAFK
  21. nevermoor Jan 6,2012 2:13 pm

    WOOOOOOOOOO!

    Linebackers Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman, defensive tackle Justin Smith, kicker David Akers and punter Andy Lee were the San Francisco players chosen to the first team.

    Now we just need the Saints to lose.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 2:19 pm || Up

      Of all sports All-Star designations, I believe the NFL’s is the least indicative of actual player quality. Which is not to say those Niners aren’t good players. But come Jan 29 there will be a bunch of downright mediocre players suiting up and not trying very hard at Aloha Stadium.

      I’d say the NBA tends to reward the most deserving players as All-Stars, then teh NHL, then MLB, then (much, much farther back) the NFL.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • WaddellCanseco Jan 6,2012 2:25 pm || Up

        NFL probably has the best balance between offense and defense represented though for obvious reasons

      • andeux Jan 6,2012 2:27 pm || Up

        The AP All-Pros are different than the official Pro Bowl team.

        TINSTAAFK
      • DFA Jan 6,2012 2:35 pm || Up

        The NFL is the most team oriented of the major sports. That is why.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • WaddellCanseco Jan 6,2012 2:38 pm || Up

          So grit and leadership have no meaning in baseball? That’s not what I heard.

      • nevermoor Jan 6,2012 2:40 pm || Up

        Maybe, but that’s in part because a ton of people get invites (and not all teams are done with the playoffs). I submit that the first-team all pros are all excellent players, and every bit as good as a rundown of the top-overall-votegetters (i.e. combining AL and NL to make starters) in the MLB.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • MikeV Jan 6,2012 2:53 pm || Up

        Pro Bowl, yes.

        All-Pro selections? Nah. There’s a lot more merit behind them.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

  22. elcroata Jan 6,2012 2:17 pm

    Now, this is investigative journalism! /mikevbait

    Because survival is insufficient
    • WaddellCanseco Jan 6,2012 2:28 pm || Up

      Is that your hair cutter?

    • the llama Jan 6,2012 10:46 pm || Up

      Your haircut/big boobs story reminds me of this .

      • the llama Jan 6,2012 10:51 pm || Up

        (start at 2:00)

      • elcroata Jan 7,2012 3:06 am || Up

        that was funny. also, funny – my friends girlfriend once fucked up my hair

        Because survival is insufficient
  23. Future Ed Jan 6,2012 3:45 pm

    I mean, yeah, people do these kinds of slips all the time, but remember when this guy this the NPOUS?

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  24. monkeyball Jan 6,2012 4:45 pm

    Eebbets Flannels has T-shirts on sale:
    el croata bait
    DFA bait

    I may actually get this one, which we’ve linked and discussed before (IIRC, this was a favorite of FSU).

    The pace of the Elephant is slow but crushing

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 4:46 pm || Up

      Dammit. Size S only on the Cienfuegos.

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 4:48 pm || Up
      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 7:36 pm || Up

        That’s sweet, and it looks cool too.

        However, I’ve always believed that goldbugs are kinda dumb.

        Ammunition bugs on the other hand…

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 4:52 pm || Up

      Yes, I used to have a different, non-pin up version of Cienfuegos. And I still have an Almadares Alacranes hat from them which I break out every now and again.

      I might’ve baited DFA with this one instead.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Glorious Mundy Jan 6,2012 4:55 pm || Up

      This one is…um…

      • ptbnl Jan 6,2012 4:58 pm || Up

        Headin’ off to Portland to get some BeaverFever by the looks of it.

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • MikeV Jan 6,2012 5:04 pm || Up

      Holy shit. I might need that Seals shirt.

      For reference, this is my OOTP Online League team.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 7:46 pm || Up

        Either your stats program has an algorithm loose, or you guys are violating a FKton(ne) of child labor laws.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • MikeV Jan 6,2012 8:06 pm || Up

          erm… explain?

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

          • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 8:14 pm || Up

            Jedrik Plazewski, for example, is only seven years old.

            \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
            • MikeV Jan 6,2012 8:35 pm || Up

              Oh, got it.

              But the game date is 2033, so it’s ok!

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

              • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 9:01 pm || Up

                Oh… I didn’t see that part.

                So, what are your league’s rules on blood doping, illegally enhanced AI, and undetectable performance enhancers?

                \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
            • monkeyball Jan 7,2012 6:55 pm || Up

              That should be the opening line of a novel.

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • DFA Jan 7,2012 12:25 am || Up

        Why do you only have one Catcher?

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • MikeV Jan 7,2012 12:31 am || Up

          I just signed a backup.

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

    • Leopold Bloom Jan 6,2012 7:39 pm || Up

      The last time you turned me on to an Ebbets Field sale, Don stole my FKing flannel and never returned it.

      This all goes to show that you can’t trust Mexicans.

    • elcroata Jan 16,2012 1:09 pm || Up

      sweet

      Because survival is insufficient
  25. FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 4:59 pm

    Um…holy crap.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • JediLeroy Jan 6,2012 5:34 pm || Up

      Crazy Paul supporters are crazy.

      az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 6:02 pm || Up

        Repulsive, I’d say. And Paul’s way past the point where the extremist views of his fans can be dismissed as just a fringe element.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 6:05 pm || Up

          I’m firmly in the Paul’s-far-crazier-than-anyone-wants-to-admit camp, but blaming his campaign for that — especially because it’s just icky/low/weird, and not about any actual policies or beliefs of Paul’s, let alone done/endorsed by his campaign — ain’t right.

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 6:08 pm || Up

            Well, no one’s blamed his campaign specifically, and they condemned the ad too. But if the racists keep flocking to your banner, it ain’t just them with the problem.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
            • nobody in particular Jan 6,2012 6:54 pm || Up

              seems a function of these odious, unaccountable “Super PACs” with their “money is speech” ads that the candidates aren’t even allowed by law to know who makes them. Not that Paul doesn’t have racist insane supporters but I’d bet money it wasn’t RP himself who dreamed up that ad.

              Thanks a lot, “Citizens United”! Every day that goes by I am exponentially more for a Constitutional Amendment making elections 101% public-funded and outlawing private money in them for good. “Corporate personhood” needs to go the way of all flesh ASAP as well.

              Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
              • Glorious Mundy Jan 6,2012 7:05 pm || Up

                I don’t think you can lay this one on Citizens United. No campaign finance law is going to be able to stop a bunch of wackos from splicing together an ad and slapping it on youtube.

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 8:57 pm || Up

                  I agree, this is just bigot with video skills. I just don’t completely absolve the candidate who create the space in which that bigot finds an audience.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • Glorious Mundy Jan 6,2012 9:10 pm || Up

                  I tend to agree. In this case, I think that the dark side of Paul’s supposedly benign non-interventionism is an ugly nativism that is always looking for a political home.

                • nevermoor Jan 6,2012 11:48 pm || Up

                  I don’t think you can blame people for their fans. I do think, though, that people shouldn’t pump out racist shit under their name, and that if they do this is a consequence.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  26. andeux Jan 6,2012 5:10 pm

    TINSTAAFK
    • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 5:24 pm || Up

      ?

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 6,2012 8:07 pm || Up

        !

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • MikeV Jan 6,2012 7:40 pm || Up

      love

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

  27. monkeyball Jan 6,2012 5:29 pm

    FKing great ad (via Sully/Copyranter):

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • AV Jan 6,2012 9:21 pm || Up

      the poster in the window at the end makes me think it’s staged. on the other hand, it’s their own damn fault for making them so thin!

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • monkeyball Jan 7,2012 6:56 pm || Up

        Well, duh. It’s an ad.

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • Future Ed Jan 7,2012 8:03 pm || Up

          it is? I would not have gotten that

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
  28. lynnzgal Jan 6,2012 5:48 pm

    Mind blown twice today. Once by the fried bologna sandwich special…FRIED BOLOGNA?! When was the last time you had one of those? I so didn’t want my turkey noodle soup for the second day in a row, so I called Lunardi’s to see what the Friday special was. FRIED BOLOGNA?! I was all over that and it made me so happy, even if I could only eat half. Unctuous, caramelized, quarter inch slices of finely hashed pork. :) The second time was by the Torchwood Miracle Day season finale. WOW! Please let there be a Season 5! I want, no I NEED, my Captain Jack.

    • monkeyball Jan 6,2012 5:49 pm || Up

      Receptionist threw out my leftovers-for-lunch today. No fridge-cleaning announcement. I am not happy.

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • lynnzgal Jan 6,2012 6:05 pm || Up

        What did you do?

        • monkeyball Jan 7,2012 6:57 pm || Up

          Fumed. Not really much point in blowing up at her. Plus, had surprise kickoff meeting where lunch was served.

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • the llama Jan 7,2012 8:03 pm || Up

        That’s even worse when it’s a chemical fridge, and you can’t find your fucking dodecanethiol.

    • FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 6,2012 6:04 pm || Up

      Fried bologna was Elvis’ favorite sandwich.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • lynnzgal Jan 6,2012 6:08 pm || Up

        I was totally transported back to my Clear Lake Days. There was always one day devoted to a fried bologna sandwich. Like a BLT, but with bologna.

      • dmoas Jan 6,2012 6:28 pm || Up

        Sounds like a Weird Al song.

        • monkeyball Jan 7,2012 6:57 pm || Up

          … F(il)King PE

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • monkeyball Jan 7,2012 6:58 pm || Up

          Elvis
          Ate bologna on toast
          But he never ate shit on a shingle

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • Leopold Bloom Jan 6,2012 7:41 pm || Up

        …and my dad’s favorite breakfast meat.

    • dmoas Jan 6,2012 6:27 pm || Up

      That was a pretty fucking awesome ending.

      • lynnzgal Jan 6,2012 6:40 pm || Up

        Loved it! I know the purists were disappointed, but I liked that they left the door open.

    • ptbnl Jan 6,2012 6:32 pm || Up

      Meh – Captain Jack’s an ass.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • lynnzgal Jan 6,2012 6:42 pm || Up

        Yep, an adorable one!

        • lynnzgal Jan 6,2012 6:58 pm || Up

          I love John Barrowman.

      • andeux Jan 6,2012 10:13 pm || Up

        But I hear he’ll get me high tonight.

        TINSTAAFK
  29. monkeyball Jan 6,2012 5:49 pm
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • lynnzgal Jan 6,2012 6:12 pm || Up

      Sounds awesome.

      • monkeyball Jan 7,2012 6:59 pm || Up

        If the pay wasn’t so insulting, I’d tots apply for it.

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  30. ptbnl Jan 6,2012 11:40 pm

    Turns 65 on Sunday

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rajof9Qigos%3Frel%3D0” frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen>

    If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • Future Ed Jan 6,2012 11:42 pm || Up

      little davie jones? 65?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • Leopold Bloom Jan 6,2012 11:51 pm || Up

        still looks AMAZING.

        No work done at all. (yeah, right)

    • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 7,2012 7:44 am || Up

      I think it’s awesome that he retired and the retirement stuck.

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
  31. Leopold Bloom Jan 7,2012 12:26 am

    Anyone have an opinion on IM+ Pro?

    • wacchampions Jan 7,2012 12:30 am || Up

      It sucks, its the worst thing ever!

    • MikeV Jan 7,2012 12:33 am || Up

      For what? Android?

      FYI apps like that *kill* yer battery cause they’re always using data.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • Leopold Bloom Jan 7,2012 12:39 am || Up

        oh. so. no, then?

        • MikeV Jan 7,2012 12:49 am || Up

          I don’t even really use IM other than Google Chat anymore so I don’t have much use for it

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

          • Leopold Bloom Jan 7,2012 12:51 am || Up

            how do I make the google chat work? I tried to talk to witch the other day and couldn’t figure it out…

  32. futwork Jan 7,2012 12:48 am

    Maybe this is the year I learn to code. Anybody know this site?

    • ptbnl Jan 7,2012 12:57 am || Up

      There are lots of different kinds of coding – in language, platform and application. What are you looking for?

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • futwork Jan 7,2012 2:11 am || Up

        I’m essentially a complete noob, but it does seem that a general grasp of computer programming would serve a person well in the coming years. Particularly as a liberal arts school attendee/hopeful graduate, it would be nice to learn a skill that is genuinely, directly marketable. Any suggestions on a good language for a beginner? I’ve been told that Java is preferable to Python or C++, but have no real basis on which to believe that.

        • elcroata Jan 7,2012 3:29 am || Up

          I remember when I was attending a Microsoft Developer’s conference in Copenhagen (I think that city has an even higher percentage of hot and dressed up women riding bikes to and from work than Amsterdam) and was at a C++ session in which they told us they are discontinuing their development of the same. Their reasoning was something like “There are some 5,000,000 VB programmers in the world and C++ is used only by you guys sitting in this room”.

          It was an exaggeration, of course, but C++ is probably not the language you want to start with if you are basically looking to widen your CV portfolio. The application area for C++ code is narrower and it is harder to learn than current MS offerings like VB.net or C#.

          Because survival is insufficient
          • DFA Jan 7,2012 11:25 am || Up

            I think that city has an even higher percentage of hot and dressed up women riding bikes to and from work than Amsterdam

            #want

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • JediLeroy Jan 7,2012 6:33 am || Up

          I know people who have been able to get software jobs with nothing more than some python experience and intellectual curiosity. You could probably say the same for java.

          az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
          • monkeyball Jan 7,2012 7:00 pm || Up

            sorry, nm, you’re disqualified

            you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • nevermoor Jan 7,2012 9:54 pm || Up

              I have lots of “python experience” if that’s what we’re calling it these days.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • oblique Jan 7,2012 8:15 am || Up

          My opinions (and I’m sure I’ve forgotten/overlooked a lot):

          It depends on what you want to do. If you want to be able to hack some web stuff together, go with PHP (which I detest, by the way, but there’s no doubt it’s a widespread web language) or Javascript (if I had a few months to become an expert at any language, at this point, this is what I would choose – but I already know C, Java, Perl, Ruby, SQL). These are really useful if you have a good command of HTML and CSS.

          If you want to take this as an opportunity to educate yourself on software or computer architecture at a deeper level, I’d advise starting with either C (which will teach you a ton about how the computer itself deals with programming constructs – people who know C are frequently better at writing efficient code in any language, because they have a good mental model for what’s going on behind the scenes), or LISP (I don’t know LISP, but the advent of “functional programming” is upon us, and it’s incredibly useful — constructs from LISP are used and abused heavily in Javascript and Ruby). But neither of these languages tend to be particularly marketable on their own, except in some niches.

          And the middle ground, decent and very capable scripting languages that are good for web work as well as analytical work, are Python and Ruby. Especially paired with SQL (which, BTW, I whole-heartedly recommend – it’s relatively easy and incredibly powerful), these languages are extremely useful and should be very marketable.

          • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 7,2012 8:18 am || Up

            so I take it my BASIC skills are going to get me nowhere? :)

            \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
            • Future Ed Jan 7,2012 10:03 am || Up

              10 print “hello”
              20 print “where is the unemployment office”
              30 goto 10

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 7,2012 10:18 am || Up

                10 print “can I have $5?”
                20 get A$
                30 if A$=”yes”then 80;if A$=”Yes”then 80;if A$=”YES”then 80
                40 if A$=”No”then 50;if A$=”NO”then 50
                45 if A$=””then 30
                47 goto 30; rem: in case 30-45 don’t self-loop
                50 print “clr/home” rem: fresh screen
                55 print “What makes you think I won’t cut ban you?”
                60 for x=1to1700; Next X; rem: time loop for added suspense
                65 print “”
                70 print “Now let me ask you again, nicely this time.”
                75 print “”
                77 goto 10
                80 print “clr/home”
                90 print “FK yeah! Five dallahs!”
                95 end

                \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • nevermoor Jan 7,2012 10:31 am || Up

                  Shouldn’t it loop to 20, not 30? (I’ll admit the BASIC is week in this one)

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • spwc2012 (write-in candidate) Jan 7,2012 10:49 am || Up

                  probably.

                  Line 75 should be Line 85, too.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
          • nevermoor Jan 7,2012 10:29 am || Up

            I was going to suggest Java / Sling because, at least for me, seeing/using a website is a rewarding way to use programming as a hobby. Which in turn leads to actually doing it / learning it.

            You’re spot on about C, it’s definitely what my Computer Science department taught me first. But it strikes me as only worth it if you want to understand computers and/or really make a career out of programming. The languages I use to hack this site and run the fantasy site are (1) html – to the extent it counts, it’s a must know; (2) CSS – ditto that, you shouldn’t be applying style in html; (3) PHP – easy to deploy, flexible; (4) MySQL – less scalable than Sling, but I was raised on databases, so they’re what make sense.

            If you’re looking for a space to play around, this is where FK 2.0 was born. That said, if you’re wanting to use Java you probably need to find another free host.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • futwork Jan 7,2012 1:16 pm || Up

              Thanks, guys!

            • MikeV Jan 7,2012 3:43 pm || Up

              I really need to learn some of that shit.

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

              • vignette17 Jan 7,2012 8:46 pm || Up

                For those looking for a super basic SQL tutorial:

                ** link

                • MikeV Jan 8,2012 8:23 am || Up

                  Ooh I remember reading that before. Well done!

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

    • DFA Jan 7,2012 11:24 am || Up

      Im so going to do that.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • nevermoor Jan 7,2012 11:28 am || Up

        Fair warning: computers don’t understand typos/misspellings.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • DFA Jan 7,2012 12:18 pm || Up

          mother fucker

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • Future Ed Jan 7,2012 12:26 pm || Up

            see, you can do it if you try

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
  33. spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 7,2012 9:16 am

    I’m bored and I can’t decide whether I should start a band or a cult.

    Any suggestions?

    \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • dmoas Jan 7,2012 9:28 am || Up

      Cult Band.

      • Future Ed Jan 7,2012 10:04 am || Up

        baby baby baby baby baby baby yeah

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • spwc2005 (G_S) Jan 7,2012 10:20 am || Up

          So you’re saying every song should be a ripoff of Captain Beefheart disguised as a Rolling Stones ripoff?

          or was that your Ian Astbury impression and I’m on the wrong track altogether?

          \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
          • Future Ed Jan 7,2012 10:24 am || Up

            the latter, but the former is funnier.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • the llama Jan 7,2012 8:05 pm || Up

        Tim DeLaughter beat you to it.

    • monkeyball Jan 7,2012 7:02 pm || Up

      FK splinter faction site

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • Leopold Bloom Jan 7,2012 7:13 pm || Up

        “fking monkey won’t ban anyone!”

  34. Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2012 10:31 am

    So, am I the last person to find out that the best way to cook bacon is in the oven? I feel like I’ve wasted my life up until now.

    • nevermoor Jan 7,2012 10:34 am || Up

      Nope. I’ve never done that.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2012 10:38 am || Up

        15 minutes in a 400 degree oven et voila, crispy – but not too crispy – bacon. Put it on a baking sheet lined with parchment paper and there is zero cleanup.

        • spwc2012 (write-in candidate) Jan 7,2012 10:52 am || Up

          or…

          25-40 minutes (depending on thickness) in a 275 degree oven, and sprinkle the bacon with brown sugar first.

          \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
          • Glorious Mundy Jan 9,2012 4:12 pm || Up

            I like this idea. Will try on a day when my kids aren’t up yet and saying

            “Is the bacon ready?”
            “Is the bacon ready?”
            “Why isn’t the bacon ready?”

            …and so forth

        • Leopold Bloom Jan 7,2012 7:14 pm || Up

          where’s all the fat go?

          • DFA Jan 7,2012 7:24 pm || Up

            Unfortunately my belly which is the correct answer doesn’t seem like a viable response

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • Leopold Bloom Jan 7,2012 7:37 pm || Up

              it really seems like you could provide either more snark or more comedy. It was a brilliant setup.

    • DFA Jan 7,2012 11:29 am || Up

      never tried that

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • 5Aces Jan 8,2012 8:48 am || Up

      And it is good for when you are making big breakfasts and you are already cooking everywhere else. The oven always seems underutilized for breakfast around here.

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • sslinger Jan 8,2012 4:09 pm || Up

      I know I’ve heard that before and maybe even tried it once, but it hasn’t become standard. I did it this morning and it worked great – thanks for inspiring the try. Of course, it didn’t hurt that the bacon came from here.

    • monkeyball Jan 8,2012 7:37 pm || Up

      Also the best way to cook rice: warm oven to 350 or so, do 1.5:1 water:rice, set to boiling on stovetop, then when it boils, pop cover on pan and put the pan in the oven. 20-30 min and it’s perfectly done.

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • Leopold Bloom Jan 8,2012 8:01 pm || Up

        or, you know, rice maker.

        • nevermoor Jan 8,2012 8:16 pm || Up

          Yeah. I got mine for like $10 on Clement street many years ago.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • sslinger Jan 8,2012 8:55 pm || Up

        Except when making thai-style jasmine rice. Rinse jasmine rice extensively. Put in small rice pot/container. Have a large pot that will fit a low stand (maybe 1″ above the bottom of the pot) and the rice pot, and fill water to the top of the stand. Bring water to boil, and at the same time boil water in another container such as a tea kettle. When the 1″ or so of water in the big pot and the kettle are aboil, place the rice pot in the big pot and add the boiling water from the kettle to the rice pot, about 1″ above the rice. Reduce to simmer and cover the big pot. Cook until water in rice pot is gone and rice done, checking occasionally to make sure the water in the big pot never runs out. Almost impossible to screw up.

        • monkeyball Jan 8,2012 10:31 pm || Up

          I seriously can’t eat anything but brown rice anymore. Everything white — including jasmine — tastes like saltlessines.

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • Glorious Mundy Jan 9,2012 10:11 am || Up

            Have you tried Japanese haiga rice? It’s like the perfect mix of white and brown.

          • Leopold Bloom Jan 9,2012 4:05 pm || Up

            agrd. brown rice.

          • sslinger Jan 9,2012 6:55 pm || Up

            When you tend to make Thai food as spicy as we do, plain jasmine rice provides just the right soothing break for the palate.

      • elcroata Jan 9,2012 1:39 am || Up

        When in the middle of the ocean and storm: put rice in a thermos can, add boiling water, soup powder, shake, wait, eat.

        Because survival is insufficient
        • monkeyball Jan 9,2012 7:12 am || Up

          Can be served with waterlogged sailor tartare?

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • spwc2012 (write-in candidate) Jan 9,2012 2:43 pm || Up

            don’t forget the sundried seagull jerky!

            \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
      • Glorious Mundy Jan 9,2012 10:08 am || Up

        Also surprisingly good and easy in the oven: polenta.

    • lynnzgal Jan 10,2012 7:57 pm || Up

      IK,R?

      Find just the right combo of sheet pan and cooling rack and you are set!

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