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- Two words: COMMUNITY. ORGANIZER.
- he has in fact been moderately conservative to exactly the same degree that Nixon was moderately liberal
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- People who believe in “momentum” in baseball (batter/batter, inning/inning, game/game) are thinking politically
- Christ, what an AIA-hole
- This whole Kenneth Harding story is very odd
- I endorse this redistricting scheme
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4. And I bet Calhoun also routinely threatened to kick his audience’s asses. Nice juxtaposition.
yeah, but did he spit into their willing open mouths?
1. Also: everybody poops.
Agatha Christie, surfing pioneer:
Do you have Prince Edward in a hang ten?
3: It’s an interesting comparison, but I think you have to disavow the whole evil-asshole part of Nixon early in the comparison. Which is why Ike is probably a better comp.
Well, his story is more about the trajectories/situations/limitations/accomplishments than the personae.
Sure. But still, saying some general’s ability to motivate troops is almost as good as Hitler’s doesn’t really do the work you want it to (if you want it to be just about that element)
That’s not at all how I read it (even taking into account your snark + hyperbole).
I’m just saying that I understand the point he’s making but comparing a politician to Nixon isn’t necessarily the best way to do that work. Especially with Ike right there.
Iunno. His Ike-Bubba thing works.
ike got blow jobs?
I would hope so…what’s the point of being President?
Also, Kay Summersby.
gp.
Shouldn’t that be “chauffeuse”?
Wait, what? (emph added)
Well that solves the debt ceiling issue.
To fully understand the legal power of FK …
Christ, what a wormhole.
(WARNING: URL is 100% accurate)
On the whole Obama-is-actually-conservative discussion, I guess where I come out is here: who cares?
It’s as true as saying that FDR was moderately-racist, but the question is whether he could achieve better policy. I think Obama got as much as he could from Ben Nelson in the pre-Scott Brown period, and since then has been too conciliatory on the debt ceiling (but then, it’s not over yet so who knows).
Most bizarre reply fail ever?
True
You’re saying the Obama president isn’t like a colonoscopy for liberals? That’s how I read it.
Not to be on-topic or anything, but they will let you stay awake to watch your colonoscopy. That one was a little more, uh, lively than mine was — it really just looked like the inside of a heating duct — iow, don’t bother; not worth it. That is all.
OOOOOOO
better make em pay through the nose…
Hey, stop making fun of Josh Hamilton. And Ron Washington.
OK, Andrew Bailey for Hamilton and Washington. Plus $11.
ASVD
“Hah — you must be kidding!” snorted Ron Washington.
Oh wow, my hotel room has a gorgeous view of the Coliseum. Along with the 24-hour Jack in the Box right across the street :-( and the AM/PM and one of America’s oldest Denny’s. I’m amazed that’s still there after all these years.
Yes, but no moar hofbrau…
I miss the hofbrau
me, too.
You’re right in the footprint for the gleaming new Football Village which Oakland proposes to build to keep the Raiders (and retail and housing and transit etc etc):
TREVOR KEEPS WALKING IN RUNS!
ARGH! Stoopid Safari or whatever. Feel free to say horrible things about me in this thread, since I won’t be clicking into it again…
I’ve had the problem I think you’re having in Explorer; if I hit ESC as the page is loading it kills the offending gifs.
The GIFs kill me too, but hitting the ESC key doesn’t seem to work. Maybe like for Poppy it’s the Safari.
Furbush for Fister. Chortle.
What the fuck did they expect?
Medical records are the only place there’s a “d” in his name.
Beane should have sent them Jorts — “Look! He’s never even been to the trainer!”
Beane should trade Harden to Obama.
They wouldn’t remove the PTBL. Fucking idiots its Rich F’ucking Harden. We have absolutely no use for him.
Derrek Lee –> Pirates
–> Rangers (for way too much, Chris Davis and Tommy Hunter)
O Cab –> Douchebag Beardfaces
Harden –> Red SoxUbaldo Jimenez –> Indians
Marquis –> Diamondbacks (why?)
Uehera
Aviles –> Red Sox
Jerry Hairston Jr –> Brewers
Pence –> Phillies
O Cab (.244/.277/.321) is the perfect replacement for Tejada (.242/.274/.334)
Hee hee. Bruce Jenkins has a ROFLer today, loving the move b/c OCab “knows how to get to October,” very valuable sez Bruce even tho he hits .228 then.
“Knows how to get to October”. Turn on to September and keep going straight. You can’t miss it.
DFWAS
So there’s the old saw that when you piss off both sides, you’re doing it right. But when you piss off absolutely everybody, and your decision flies in the face of absolutely everything we know about macroeconomics, I don’t think that applies.
Despair, for we pretend to solve an imaginary crisis that sweet-fuck-all nobody understands.
It isn’t that hard to understand. The economy is not producing as much as it should because there are a huge amount of resources idle (workers, production capacity, etc.) If there was more demand, those resources would be put to productive use. Businesses aren’t going to use it because they wouldn’t be able to sell the extra products, but the government has profound infrastructure needs and limitless credit.
Rather than doing that, though, the GOP has used a historical quirk (the debt ceiling was originally passed in the early 20th century to increase treasury’s authority, and need not exist at all. Indeed, it essentially didn’t from the early seventies until Gingrich.) to hold Washington hostage until they got a deal to dramatically cut spending. These spending cuts will exacerbate the underlying problem, further depressing the economy.
If government deficit spending in a New Deal-esque manner creates increased demand, which boosts GDP, slashes unemployment, returns housing stocks to normal levels and stabilizes the housing market, would the economic boost be a net profit to the economy and government coffers in comparison to long-term borrowing costs, or would these short-term solutions to the recession merely be pushing a collapse or harsh austerity plan further down the road?
I’m asking because I’n curious and I honestly don’t know.
Going all-in on Keynes would also fix the deficit.
Well, currently the real borrowing cost is negative. So yes.
But even if it wasn’t, a huge part of government budget is income/sales tax in and Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security/Welfare out. So if people are working, they pay the taxes and don’t collect the services, which is great for the bottom line.
Borrowing costs as a % of GDP, fwiw, are lower than they were under Reagan.
I get that part — it’s all the zeros I hate, in both the timing and the dollars, that are expressed thusly to obfucksake the issues for the unwashed electorate. If I had a merely cynical view of the GOP, I would believe they’ve done it on purpose for 2012 electoral motives. I think they’re both less capable and more evil than that, however. I think they, especially the Teabaggers, are just shill-ing for those they consider to be their Betters.
Please explain further, if you care to. I’d like to read it.
I think when you examine the TBr demographics, they are not situated in-life in settings that benefit from the policies they espouse. They tend to be older — trending toward SocSec and Medicare age, and less well-off than those who actually reap the rewards of, say, the Bush tax cuts. They are part of the tired, tapped-out and ticked-off Middle Class, which strove for material wealth. I think they believe in America, The Meritocracy, such that those that got rich did-so based on their superiority (hard work/inspiration/’gumption’). Maybe ‘shilling’ is too strong, as it suggests they know better, but I certainly don’t see how their positions are in their own self-interests.
I also think they see contemporary America as different from the one they knew, and want to return to their conception of the tried-and-true — ignoring the fact that when America was pre-eminent, the rest of the world was Third, Communist and/or in ruins — and much, much simpler. Maybe rich guys really were job creators back then, but that was when finance was a servant, rather than the master of the economy, and before the Age of the Terrific Deal (anything you want, from anywhere in the world, by tomorrow).
So that’s what I meant. What do you think?
I agree with this
It’s a common thing about people, though. Nearly no confederate soldiers actually owned slaves either.
Can that and what dogfather said be broken down to having the mind set of “Trust the rich because if we let them have their way, they’ll make our lives better?”
Or, “because one day I might be rich. Or my kids.”
American dream.
Become a lawyer, get rich.
Well, we need to be kind to them, because we know they’re not getting into heaven.
(These people look like they are having so much fun! I totally wish I were part of that rural Canadian birthday party.)
Looks like where I grew up.
Was it as fun as it looks?
oh my, yes. I’m sure when I say Northern Indiana, everyone’s first thought is naturally “utopia.”
People who are ruled by emotion often back positions that are counter to their best rational interests.
Another thing to remember is that rational political discussion (like here at FK) generally centers on policy. Much of the tea partiers’ political discussions center on idealism and emotions, without much thought to long-reaching effects of the policies that come out of that headspace. There are a fuckton of closet fascist tea partiers too, and irrational hawks.
I think everyone’s a fascist to some degree, because a benevolent dictatorship really is the best form of government. It’s just that benevolent dictators don’t really exist.
That is so antithetical to my worldview that I don’t even know how to respond, but I’ll try. I think it explains a lot of the initial liberal fascination and current liberal disillusionment with the current president. It also is consistent with liberal fascination with benevolent technocratic bureaucracies charged with economic, social, and cultural planning. It is also consistent with the expansion of executive and/or non-legislative and/or unelected (or “non-partisan policy analysts”) power structures. I’m not going to sit here and say that conservatives don’t also expand government along this direction, but I do see it as the logical conclusion of a number of government policies championed by liberals.
The philosopher-king model, even with the best of all possible philospher-kings, is really not the best form of government.
I will now go back to not engaging you in politics.
I guess I’m surprised to hear there is disagreement on that point. It seems to me that whatever your preferences, having them embodied in a person with total authority to enact them is the most efficient way to make them happen.
Obviously, there’s no such person so it’s really just a thought experiment. I’m not actually pining for a dictatorship.
What is it you want out of a government?
I want Republicans out of a government.
I want them to take the Democrats out of it too. No parties, all the time.
I’m with you, doc.
I think that over the next century, we need to do some mad scientist shit, and integrate our computers with our brains, and CREATE our own benevolent dictator(s).
Skynet?
No, I was thinking more like a cyber FDR…, complete with kick-ass wheelchair/weapons platform and lesbian android wife.
butch fembots or…?
Btw… I know you said you didn’t want to elaborate but I’m really interested in your thoughts here.
I’ll see if I even have time to formulate the correct words.
Nevermoormon?
1. Faint traffic noise is audible; 2. As is the cry of fishmongers.
That’s pretty much it exactly.
I can get behind the first part.
Conservatives say the same about liberals.
So what? They’re wrong to do so.
Conservative think tanks are essentially BS artists (especially Heritage / Cato). And you have GOP leadership arguing that tax cuts increase revenues.
Say what you want about the tenets of the Heritage Foundation, at least it’s an ethos.
I think you do the conservative think tanks a disservice, though. They apporach their work more tactically than academically to be sure, but they do still advance some kind of intellectual underpinnings for their views. That’s not at all the same as the Tea Party, and it’s a mistake to conflate the two. If I were a conservative intellectual I’d recoil in horror at that suggestion.
You are seriously giving WAYYYY too much credit to Heritage and Cato. And they’re the “best” of the bunch.
Heritage set out in the mid-1970’s to create the intellectual space in which conservatism could become a mainstream philosophy in the US…and they succeeded beyond their wildest hiopes (and libs darkest fears). The quality of their scholarship is beside the point.
If you’re talking about success-at-establishing, sure. Fox News is great too.
If you’re talking about thoughtless partisanship without connection to reality, I don’t see how that matters.
Exactly. They’re in basically the same business I am.
what business is that?
Corporate shill? If he’s not, he should be – he’d be good at it (and I mean this as compliment).
What he said ^
(And thanks.)
Im not sure what that means
He’s Don Draper.
I know that all FKers are alcoholics already.
Fuck you, I’m not an alcoholic. I don’t go to meetings.
Thanks, and go As.
(he does advertising work)
But mikey, if you ever wanted to go…
Obligitory AA is for quitters joke
AA is for people who alcohol (and drugs, normally) doesn’t kill off. I didn’t start going because I was having too much fun drinking.
My mom’s partner went through the program when I was in middle school. I get it dude. I was just trying to have a little fun.
NO FUN SHALL BE HAD! EVER!
Middle school? Like 1999?
Speaking of, is the local Don Draper community small enough that you know Charlie McQuilken?
I’m in a separate niche — looks from his landing page (beyond requires PW) that he’s consumer.
No, sorry, McQuilken is the guy who came up with the chevron ads. The linked .me page is the creative director
Oh, I like those ads. He’s much more talented and successful than mb.
Probably scores more beatnik chicks, too.
Hey, Stomper: where are you? Are you at Chevron, picking up beatniks to go and have anonymous sex with back at your cold-water flat?
Stomper had a special zipper installed specifically for that purpose.
I disagree.
They use big words, yes. And if the bar is smarter than the Tea Party they probably cross it, but the problem here is the recoil rather than the suggestion.
The only two points of liberal orthodoxy I think you can reasonably say that about are:
But you know what? Mainstream liberals have pretty much conceded those points. Clinton “ended welfare as we know it,” policy analysts have known since Moynihan that welfare as a permanent support mechanism has deleterious effects. And everyone but a (really) small fringe has pretty much transitioned to espousing class-based affirmative action if they even espouse it at all.
Plus, pace all the stuff Yglesias et al have been citing lately about the roughly 40/40/20 political self-ID demographics, extremist liberals effectively don’t exist, politically speaking.
Or semantically either, in the US.
In the rest of the world we call them “socialists” or some such, and their absence in the US is part of what allows the center to be defined so far to the right.
Well, semantically, they do exist — genuine DFHs and loony cultural liberals (the flip side of loony cultural “conservatives”). But those aren’t socialists (necessarily).
I think I exist. And my political world views are pretty extreme and consequently entirely flawed and impractical. I still have those views, but I’d hardly put too much effort in actually encouraging others to join me, let alone bother with politics.
I’m not saying that I feel that way, only that I’ve heard conservatives say that.
Whether it’s true or not, I do find it interesting that the both sides make the same argument about the opposition.
Sure. Both parties accuse the other party of wanting to cut medicare too. Only one party actually does.
And in the debt negotiations, that party was the Democrats.
Yup.
ed in every way.
ASVD!
Also “Death Panels!”
More seriously, Medicare costs do need to come down somehow. Republican proposals like the Ryan plan have proposed doing this through direct cuts to benefits (voucher ’em all and let the market sort it out), while Democrats have mostly argued that we can get the same quality of health care while cutting systemic inefficiencies.
It’s absolutely true that health costs are nearly the whole ballgame when it comes to future projections. Since our country pays at least twice as much as any other country, though, my current prediction is that Vermont’s single payer will be a huge success and will spread throughout the country in the next decade or so.
Shit I hope so. It’s absolutely insane right now. A basic, group work plan is such that you really can’t seek medical care at all.
You’re confusing hostages and hostage-takers. The democrats caved on that point too (at least at certain times) but they caved to the GOP. Seems different to me than wanting to cut medicare.
And, for extra irony, the ACA wasn’t a medicare cut, it was ending Medicare Advantage (a GOP giveaway to insurance companies)
I believe Obama was the one who initially offered to raise the age of eligibility, and find Glennzilla’s view (buttressed by direct quotes from the man himself) pretty dern compelling.
This is not to say that the Republicans don’t want to cut Medicare–they clearly want to eradicate it altogether. But that’s what made what happened in the debt negotiations so absurd. It’s like if the House Republicans had voted against the final product en masse, forcing the Dems to push it over the finish line.
I believe that children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.
I had to look this up. Still *whoosh*.
SEXUAL CHOCOLATE!
Worked with a guy named Randy Watson for like 3 years. Was as totally the opposite ofthe above Randy as you can be. But the entire department I work in, whenever he came back for something…”Give it up for, Jackson Height’s OWN…Mr. RANDY…WATSON!”
Also too.
Wisconsin is going to be fun, because you’ll really get to see principled conservatism at work.
Hey, when Wisconsin is forced to outsource its electoral system to the lowest bidder, that return mail address could end up being correct.
BOTH SIDES DO IT!!1!1!! BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WITNESSED TRYING TO EXERCISE THE FRANCHISE!
3 — I think the argument can be made that every President starts to think about re-election about the time his butt first warms the oval office chair. Accordingly, they all court the middle, trying to ensure that continuity and thereby disappointing whichever end of the spectrum they were expected to serve. I’m also guessing that Obama has receded on taxes — twice now — in the hope of attracting filthy lucre to his campaign, grace of the free-market in the acquisition of politicians that Citizens-United created.
That said, I think Obama’s a huge fuck-up for over-shooting the middle, and for failing to lead. And I’ll prolly Still vote for him, because I just can’t hold my nose tight enough to tolerate anybody on the GOP side — they’re All a frothy mix, as far as I’m concerned. DFWAS.
Most important thing is taking back the House. Can’t imagine there’s a possible way to do that w/o reelecting O.