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I last went to Kansas City in 2013, and it’s one I enjoy for the ballpark and the dining. The A’s are there in late June next season; I’ll keep it on the list over the offseason. Kaufmann Stadium, nearly 50 years old, is a bit out in the boondocks to the east of town though, and checking some Twitter stuff this afternoon it sounds like they are starting to consider getting everything up to date in Kansas City.

There are a few rain showers sliding by to the north of town this afternoon, but aside from that it looks like some pleasant September weather is in store for the A’s and Royals.

Tonight at 5:10: Montas vs. Jackson Kowar
Wednesday at 5:10: Manaea vs. Mike Minor Carlos Hernandez (Minor to IL)
Thursday at 11:10 a.m.: Blackburn vs. Carlos Hernandez Daniel Lynch

129 thoughts on “Mmmmm barbecue, and also Games 144, 145 and 146

  1. Future Ed Sep 14,2021 5:09 pm

    Sometimes I think how great it would be to be brian only and just have been cutting marble for the last few years and not heard of “seth Brown.”

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 14,2021 5:40 pm || Up

      He comes to town every couple of months to make money at his old job. So he is not so blissfully unaware.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Future Ed Sep 14,2021 5:44 pm || Up

        that’s too bad.

        Not that I dislike seth brown to be clear

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  2. Future Ed Sep 14,2021 5:21 pm

    Sacrifice!

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  3. Soaker Sep 14,2021 5:35 pm

    Some guy in the first row behind the A’s dugout is wearing the late 60s-early 70s gold vest jersey with a Kelly Green batting helmet. Nice look.

    The ghosts of Billy Martin and Art Fowler need to come back and tell these starters, you’re the Five Aces, we want you going nine every game the rest of the year.

    What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • Soaker Sep 14,2021 7:06 pm || Up

      Billy is very, very angry right now.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • andeux Sep 14,2021 7:15 pm || Up

        Missed opportunity to blow out some arms.

        TINSTAAFK
  4. FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 14,2021 5:42 pm

    I have never been to KC, their barbeque is a powerful lure, but that’s about it.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Soaker Sep 14,2021 5:49 pm || Up

      Yeah, that is the challenge with a KC visit, finding things to do in the hours when you’re not at the K.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • Future Ed Sep 14,2021 5:50 pm || Up

        there is the negro league museum. And then you can go to the jazz museum

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Soaker Sep 14,2021 6:03 pm || Up

          And the Airline History Museum at the old downtown airport. But I’ve done all of those in two trips. Maybe drive out to Lawrence and check out Bed’s college town next time? Other than that I’m not quite sure.

          What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
          • Soaker Sep 14,2021 6:13 pm || Up

            The Truman Presidential Library in Independence is another one, but yes, I’ve been there too.

            What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  5. FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 14,2021 5:46 pm

    Kowar knocked out after 1+. He lasted 1 and a third last time he faced the A’s. Safe to say he’s not a fan of Kelly green.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • andeux Sep 14,2021 5:52 pm || Up

      In contrast to Mr. Santana:
      1.94 ERA in 209 career innings against the A’s

      TINSTAAFK
  6. Future Ed Sep 14,2021 5:47 pm

    the Ervin Santana?

    is CJ wilson the closer?

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  7. Soaker Sep 14,2021 6:18 pm

    I wish I thought this was too big a lead for the bullpen to blow against the Royals but I know much better.

    What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • Future Ed Sep 14,2021 7:39 pm || Up

      Good news! they bullpen won’t blow a 6 run lead!

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  8. 5Aces Sep 14,2021 6:19 pm

    Did we score a run off of Santana? The world is changing.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  9. 5Aces Sep 14,2021 6:19 pm

    Clearly need to get the lead up to 9.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • Soaker Sep 14,2021 6:34 pm || Up

      O/U on Royals’ runs tonight looking like about 11.5 so there’s your target.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • Soaker Sep 14,2021 9:11 pm || Up

        Had to hold on for dear life but the Under squeaked out the win there.

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  10. 5Aces Sep 14,2021 6:20 pm

    I would rather have the Hound throw 30 pitches active instead of a bullpen vs our current core of RPs throwing an inning.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  11. 5Aces Sep 14,2021 6:32 pm

    Hey! So Frankie saw everyone talking about how he has really turned it around and decided it was time for a classic Frankie game!!

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • Future Ed Sep 14,2021 7:40 pm || Up

      Roxy was praising him right before the merrifield single.

      I had to turn it off.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  12. 5Aces Sep 14,2021 6:32 pm

    Maybe he just loves Oakland so much he is trying to reduce the chance he is traded.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  13. Future Ed Sep 14,2021 8:07 pm

    this is just…uhg

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • andeux Sep 14,2021 8:09 pm || Up

      But at least it’s also insufferably slow.

      TINSTAAFK
      • Soaker Sep 15,2021 8:05 pm || Up

        3:59 for that one, and this one could be close depending on how the bullpen staggers through the final 3 (2-2/3? 2-1/3?) innings.

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  14. FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 14,2021 8:09 pm

    It’s all just so awful. Giant meteor please free us from the pain.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  15. Future Ed Sep 14,2021 8:12 pm

    Looking to next year, did you know that wander franco is the nephew of eric aybar?

    at least him hitting 400 against the A’s won’t be as annoying

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  16. lenscrafters Sep 14,2021 8:14 pm

    I only check in on games now cause watching them through is just too mentally draining. Forfeiting the rest of the games would be quicker and less painful. Just take them out back and shoot them already.

  17. Future Ed Sep 14,2021 8:22 pm

    no winning orange county would be hilarious

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  18. FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 14,2021 8:26 pm

    Sluggerrrr is setting off my gaydar big time.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  19. 5Aces Sep 14,2021 8:43 pm

    Lego Masters coming down to the wire!

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  20. Glorious Mundy Sep 14,2021 8:55 pm

    Speaking of BBQ, I ate myself stupid on Sunday at Horn Barbecue in Oakland. Highly recommend that brisket despite the very long wait in line.

    • FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 14,2021 8:59 pm || Up

      Oh man I’ve been wanting to check this place out. I am handicapped by having married a vegetarian. One of you East Bay FKers want to be my meat buddy some day?

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Soaker Sep 14,2021 9:26 pm || Up

        Oakland was quite the West Coast barbecue capital for a while. Flint’s obviously, there was a place called McCoy’s on East 14th not far from the Coliseum, and Doug’s in Emeryville. They could put up a fight with Gates and Arthur Bryant’s in KC. Too bad those places had all folded by 2000 or so.

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  21. Future Ed Sep 14,2021 9:13 pm

    I don’t know what you guys are complaining about, this is the best baseball of the season for the A’s

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • 5Aces Sep 15,2021 6:42 am || Up

      Ed I almost started talking about my Fantasy Football team and I did talk about Lego Masters…

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 15,2021 7:41 am || Up

      Future Ed appears to have doctorK’d a thread from 2012.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Glorious Mundy Sep 15,2021 8:11 am || Up

        Alternative Universe Ed

      • 5Aces Sep 15,2021 8:45 am || Up

        I just got a FB memory from 2012. We beat the Rangers guys! 2 games back!! Things are looking good.

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  22. Future Ed Sep 14,2021 9:14 pm

    Soaker day is coming

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  23. Soaker Sep 15,2021 5:08 pm

    Tonight’s plate umpire, Tony Randazzo, is the one who objected to Manaea’s glove a couple weeks ago, so we’ll see if there’s a Part II to that. I want to see Melvin and Manaea pull out the paint sample cards.

    What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • andeux Sep 15,2021 5:29 pm || Up

      Also had a really bad* game behind the plate in the SF/LA series.

      * The only thing I don’t like about these umpire ratings is they measure how bad a call was by state of the game, not by how much it missed by. A lot of these were borderline. But even taking that into account, it was still a bad game.

      TINSTAAFK
    • Soaker Sep 15,2021 5:31 pm || Up

      Manaea makes the likely wiser decision not to fight that petty battle.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  24. andeux Sep 15,2021 5:22 pm

    I thought he was safe, but tough to see exactly when his hand hit the bag.

    TINSTAAFK
  25. andeux Sep 15,2021 5:36 pm

    While Gomes is obviously an upgrade over Garcia/Allen as backup C, I haven’t been impressed with him offensively (75 OPS+) or defensively (13% CS, seemingly poor at framing), and really don’t understand why he is playing more than Murphy now.

    TINSTAAFK
  26. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 5:40 pm

    Yea..a momentary lead.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  27. Soaker Sep 15,2021 6:13 pm

    I know “can’t anticipate the double play” but that run Olson scored really ought to be unearned. When the infielder has a brain cramp as bad as that one the pitcher should not be penalized with an earned run.

    What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 15,2021 6:23 pm || Up

      Maybe the kangaroo court will charge the run to Nicky Lopez.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  28. FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 15,2021 6:27 pm

    Yay Oly, but he’ll have to reach 100 RBI in this one game before the lead feels safe.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Future Ed Sep 15,2021 6:49 pm || Up

      100th rbi on the 35th home run. That tells you something

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  29. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 6:48 pm

    Well it was fun while it lasted. Maybe I’ll just watch 1 inning a day from now on.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  30. Future Ed Sep 15,2021 6:50 pm

    It hasn’t been the A’s day for a couple years

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  31. Soaker Sep 15,2021 6:52 pm

    It’s more fun watching September baseball when the team is 20 games under .500 but there are some good prospects getting playing time. It lets the fans go into the offseason on an upbeat note. Watching a veteran team suck night after night is just FKing dismal.

    What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 15,2021 7:02 pm || Up

      It’s at least more enjoyable watching a team that can score more than 0-2 runs a game.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • 5Aces Sep 15,2021 7:15 pm || Up

        If the pitching is good you can watch the opposing half of the innings. With this team you can watch 4 of our halves, until we decide we have hit enough for the night.

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  32. FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 15,2021 7:17 pm

    Glen, I very much doubt Melvin gives a fuck whether Manaea gets the win. Bob is tortured by whether letting Manaea continue to pitch is better or worse than letting the bullpen pitch.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  33. andeux Sep 15,2021 7:23 pm

    We’re going to win this game.

    TINSTAAFK
  34. andeux Sep 15,2021 7:41 pm

    Scoreless Trivino inning. Good start.

    TINSTAAFK
    • andeux Sep 15,2021 8:09 pm || Up

      Oh, I see Bob has decided to play press your luck.
      No whammies please.

      TINSTAAFK
  35. Future Ed Sep 15,2021 7:45 pm

    well a three run game is a game to deploy the best relievers, just wish it wasn’t a game they scored 8.

    Of course, yesterday…

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  36. andeux Sep 15,2021 7:54 pm

    There’s your 6-run lead.

    TINSTAAFK
  37. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 8:04 pm

    Dallas saying this would be a good time to get that contagious hitting bug. Has he been watching?? Hitting isn’t EXACTLY the issue the last month.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  38. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 8:10 pm

    Lou as long man isn’t anxiety inducing at all.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  39. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 8:15 pm

    Lou Trivino: 2022 #5 starter

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • Soaker Sep 15,2021 8:20 pm || Up

      I hope he gets a chance to get fixed by some other organization’s coaching staff. There have been a few too many setbacks in Oakland.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • 5Aces Sep 15,2021 8:28 pm || Up

        I hope someone else gets a chance to harness the ability of DieBBman

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • andeux Sep 15,2021 8:33 pm || Up

          For his family’s safety, he should move to another city immediately.

          TINSTAAFK
          • andeux Sep 15,2021 8:40 pm || Up

            Like, I don’t know, maybe three batters ago, if not sooner.

            TINSTAAFK
            • Future Ed Sep 15,2021 8:42 pm || Up

              Are they sure it was a crazy guy and not a guy with NBCalifornia?

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • Soaker Sep 15,2021 8:43 pm || Up

            I wish Emerson had been mic’d when he went out after the 4-pitch walk to the left-handed batter. PO’d didn’t look like it would begin to describe it. Naturally it just got worse after that.

            What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
          • Glorious Mundy Sep 17,2021 9:39 am || Up

            I went back again to look whether any real info ever came out about this (no). I did notice there are a lot of guys from Nebraska in her replies telling her to not only buy a gun, but shoot the (alleged) guy with it. So that’s neat.

  40. Future Ed Sep 15,2021 8:18 pm

    Hey! Ken just mentioned my close personal friend brent mayne!

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  41. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 8:35 pm

    Jesus..you can see it coming, right?

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • Future Ed Sep 15,2021 8:37 pm || Up

      You don’t need to be jesus to see it coming

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Future Ed Sep 15,2021 8:40 pm || Up

      I almost posted a “dumb stupid bob always using his best relivers no matter what” but jesus, this is bad

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  42. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 8:40 pm

    I mean…I’m pissed he was left in but WTF do you do if your Melvin. There is no one to use.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  43. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 8:43 pm

    No, it isn’t that these Royals “just won’t go away” we won’t let them leave. It’s like a crap band coming back for an encode

    You wouldn’t let us leave!!

    You wouldn’t turn the house lights on!

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  44. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 9:03 pm

    Why is Blackburn still starting? Flip him and Jeffries.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  45. Soaker Sep 15,2021 9:07 pm

    Does Chapman maybe have 15 pitches in him?

    What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  46. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 9:09 pm

    @soaker can’t land on his foot..

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  47. andeux Sep 15,2021 9:12 pm

    It’s too bad Chafin caught whatever this is. Should have been vaccinated before joining our bullpen.

    TINSTAAFK
  48. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 9:12 pm

    THROW A FKING STRIKE

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  49. Glorious Mundy Sep 15,2021 9:13 pm

    Never in doubt

  50. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 9:15 pm

    If I see any player,coach,manager,or columnist say some BS about how maybe thus is blah blah I may cuss them out. That was the worst victory I’ve seen.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • Soaker Sep 15,2021 9:17 pm || Up

      I’d like to see 5 or 6 black eyes and/or fat lips when the team shows up at Kauffman Stadium tomorrow. Although I won’t see it live anyway because there is no way I’m wasting four hours of a nice late summer day sitting through more of this shitshow.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • 5Aces Sep 15,2021 9:21 pm || Up

        Totally agree. I would also love for 1 Melvin honest press conference. At least I can catch up on work during the workday tomorrow I guess.

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • Future Ed Sep 15,2021 9:23 pm || Up

          best baseball of the season

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 15,2021 11:10 pm || Up

          Bob is a better man than I. He refused the A’s lowball offers so they picked up his option for 2022, he’s stuck with a likely non-contender and making way less than a bunch of teams would pay. I’d be doing something more like this.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • andeux Sep 16,2021 9:16 am || Up

            It’s hard to find reliable info about what managers make, but what I can find mostly suggests that Bob is closer to the high end.
            If our assumption that the A’s are about to blow it all up and go through another rebuild is correct, I do wonder if he will want to go through another iteration of that.

            TINSTAAFK
            • Glorious Mundy Sep 16,2021 9:32 am || Up

              Maybe if they promise not to Billy Butlerize the roster this time he’ll stick for another round.

            • Soaker Sep 16,2021 11:29 am || Up

              If Bob wants out of his contract at the end of this year and Fisher can save $1M or whatever by letting him go and replacing him with, let’s say, Mark Kotsay or Ryan Christenson, I can’t see that there wouldn’t be mutual agreement on the matter.

              What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
              • 5Aces Sep 16,2021 11:53 am || Up

                Which will be a mistake but certainly not the 1st or last we will have to save $1.03.

                Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
              • 5Aces Sep 16,2021 11:54 am || Up

                I could be 100% wrong but I feel like Kotsay is going to be a Geren 2.0 wherever and whenever he finally lands.

                Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  51. Future Ed Sep 15,2021 9:22 pm

    SLF: We are setting up a show.

    ED: when?

    SLF October 15, 22 or 29. Do we have any conflicts?

    ED: [sigh] no.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  52. Future Ed Sep 15,2021 9:25 pm

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  53. 5Aces Sep 15,2021 9:26 pm

    Tim Timmons just tossed the grounds crew in Baltimore??

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  54. andeux Sep 16,2021 11:26 am

    Three batters in, Blackburn has the TTO covered.

    TINSTAAFK
  55. Future Ed Sep 16,2021 12:12 pm

    It was a microcosm of the year asI turned on the tv no outs basesloaded 3-2 count

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  56. andeux Sep 16,2021 12:17 pm

    Can’t spell Whit Merrifield without WTF?
    One play tried to get an out at 2nd when no one was covering, then later didn’t throw to 1st for the 3rd out when he had plenty of time.

    TINSTAAFK
  57. FreeSeatUpgrade Sep 16,2021 12:51 pm

    Must win game in Sept. The answer, clearly, is Paul Blackburn.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • 5Aces Sep 16,2021 1:11 pm || Up

      Bassitt
      Kaprelian
      Blackburn
      Jeffries
      Fiers

      Your 2022 A’s

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • 5Aces Sep 16,2021 1:12 pm || Up

        There’s a good 35 or so wins out of that rotation.

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • andeux Sep 16,2021 1:15 pm || Up

        If we’re doing the fire sale, wouldn’t Bassitt be one of the first to go?

        TINSTAAFK
        • 5Aces Sep 16,2021 1:45 pm || Up

          Im selfish and I want The Hound. But yeah if we were going to do that he probably goes and MAYBE Frankie stays. Or we have AJ go back to starting for a week until he goes on the IL and we put in Homer Bailey.

          Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
          • Future Ed Sep 16,2021 2:18 pm || Up

            I am going to talk myself into contending next year at some point.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • 5Aces Sep 16,2021 3:21 pm || Up

              I’m sure in mid March I will believe that this is the year Puk wins 20 and Krush has a .247 40 HR season in him.

              Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • Soaker Sep 16,2021 4:49 pm || Up

        On the position player side:

        Andrus and Piscotty because of contracts.
        Laureano and Murphy for legitimate talent.
        Pinder and Kemp for needed versatility on a crappy roster.
        Brown until somebody better shows up.

        They might hold on to Chapman over the winter, hoping for a big first half bringing a haul at the deadline. But Chapman is a desirable player even with a down offensive season in 2021 and I tend to think somebody will make a can’t-resist offer over the winter.

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  58. 5Aces Sep 16,2021 1:20 pm

    Ok-I really dont believe in jinxes and all of that. It’s fun, I like to joke, but I know it is not real.

    but I swear to God every time I decide to turn the game on is when the pitchers start to fall apart. Glad I am going into a meeting so Blackburn can straighten up and fly right.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  59. andeux Sep 16,2021 2:14 pm

    Survived potential tying runs on in 6th, 7th, and 8th.
    But now might put Romo in for the 9th?!

    TINSTAAFK
  60. andeux Sep 16,2021 2:15 pm

    Stop hitting our guys.
    Even Elvis.

    TINSTAAFK
  61. Glorious Mundy Sep 16,2021 2:26 pm

    Harrison is kind of a wonderful ballplayer. Would enjoy keeping him around for a bit.

  62. sslinger Sep 16,2021 3:48 pm

    Thanks, sun and shade.

  63. Glorious Mundy Sep 17,2021 9:56 am
    • mikeA Sep 17,2021 11:03 am || Up

      Looks like he needs liquidity for the big offseason FA spending spree!

      • 5Aces Sep 17,2021 2:12 pm || Up

        Build a stadium with a MUCH smaller footprint!!

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty

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