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(In case you are not familiar with it, 6MWE stands for a Holocaust reference – Six Million Wasn’t Enough)

Objections to both Arizona and Pennsylvania electoral votes were defeated, but not without quite a showing in the House

Some first hand accounts from within the Capitol during the coup attempt:

Paul Kane from The Washington Post on the Senate side

Inside the Senate’s secure location, one senior officer ordered a set of underlings to go secure Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), a double amputee who lost both legs while serving in the Iraq War. She was hiding in her office three floors above, fearful of letting anyone in. The senior officer gave specific instructions of what to yell: “Senator Duckworth, Senator Klobuchar said come to the door.”

Sarah Wire from The LA Times on the House of Representatives side

On the floor, Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.), a former combat Marine, was holding up his escape hood and explaining to other members how to use it. There were about 150 lawmakers down there, and Gallego was shouting to get their attention.

“Open the first package!” he yelled.

“Then open the second!”

“The hood then inflates over your head!”

Will they do it?! No, they won’t The House barely had the 2/3 on the Pennsylvania objection refusal and good luck finding anyone in the Cabinet with a spine, let alone 11 of them. However, some resignations were on the way:

Trump to get his Twitter back this morning, uses Dan Scavino’s one to make his least insurrectionist take yet supposedly aimed to persuade some of the above to stay in office.

Mick Mulvaney, a real hero, is gone with these parting words:

“I called Mike Pompeo last night to let him know I was resigning from that. I can’t do it. I can’t stay,” Mulvaney said in the interview.
He added: “Those who choose to stay, and I have talked with some of them, are choosing to stay because they’re worried the President might put someone worse in.”

Also happening

Because survival is insufficient

367 thoughts on “The Reason for the Treason

  1. Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 6:58 am

    i am surprised no one signed osuna in the chaos

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  2. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 7:26 am

    Benches-clearing burn

  3. elcroata elcroata Jan 7,2021 9:00 am

    An old acquaintance had his moment on twitter

    Because survival is insufficient
  4. elcroata elcroata Jan 7,2021 9:04 am

    A bit late

    Because survival is insufficient
  5. elcroata elcroata Jan 7,2021 9:10 am

    Listening to John Catanzara, the president of Chicago’s Fraternal Order of Police, tells you all you need to know about how impartial the police is.

    “If the worst crime [at the Capitol] is trespassing, so be it. But to call these people treasonous is beyond ridiculous and ignorant.”

    “They clearly have been ignored and they’re still being ignored as if they’re lunatics and treasonous now, which is beyond stupid. Again, it’s a whole side of the argument and, primarily, your profession is at the root of it, basically championing Joe Biden the whole time.”

    “Do I support the frustration? Listen, I don’t have any doubt that something shady happened in this election. You’re not going to convince me that that many people voted for Joe Biden. Never for the rest of my life will you ever convince me of that.”

    Because survival is insufficient
    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 9:24 am || Up

      And don’t even started with some of our sheriffs.

  6. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 9:11 am

    Pennsylvania republicans refused to seat an elected Democrat because his opponent won’t concede, then one of their members immediately headed to DC to try to overthrow the federal government.

  7. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 7,2021 9:17 am

    I have no patience for these Trump toady resignations. Fuck you enablers.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • elcroata elcroata Jan 7,2021 9:33 am || Up

      In my dyslexic haste I read that as “Trump today resignations” and thought, I’d be OK if he resigned today.

      Because survival is insufficient
    • AV AV Jan 7,2021 10:54 am || Up

      oh look. the editor who says pundant while trying to keep up with rick wilson.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • andeux andeux Jan 7,2021 11:00 am || Up

      I get Mick Mulvaney and Mark Meadows confused, but now that I’ve looked it up I’m deeply concerned about how we’ll survive these last two weeks without his special envoying to Northern Ireland.

      TINSTAAFK
    • andeux andeux Jan 7,2021 6:02 pm || Up

      LOL

      TINSTAAFK
    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 9:07 pm || Up

      Amazing

      On Thursday, Trump’s top arms control official, Chris Ford, announced his resignation to staff titled “A fond impending farewell” that did not mention the seizure of the Capitol building by a pro-Trump mob the day before.

      Instead, the memo mentioned how working as the undersecretary of state for arms control and international security was the “highlight of my professional career” and an “extraordinary honor and privilege.” He told colleagues his last day on the job would be “a week from tomorrow.”

      But on Friday, as criticisms of Trump mounted in Congress and more Cabinet officials resigned in protest, Ford sent a follow-up email to colleagues informing them that he had revised his original departure letter and was resigning “effective immediately.”

  8. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 9:46 am

    This tweet took a turn I wasn’t expecting.

    • mikeA Jan 12,2021 11:46 am || Up

      It was a dark day for America as our democracy came under att… and there’s deep drive to left, that one’s gone, 3-0 Reds.

      • AV AV Jan 12,2021 12:14 pm || Up

        on the other hand when this scrolled through my timeline i thought, if magas can pack the streets of tuscaloosa like this on a monday night…

        oh wait. football jerseys.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  9. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 10:01 am

    It seems like no one is talking about the high likelihood that Trump, either directly or through a close associate (Giuliani, Flynn, Stone, Junior likely candidates), not only encouraged what happened yesterday in plain sight, but was actively involved in planning and coordinating it behind the scenes.

    • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 10:10 am || Up

      my wishcast is a quick impeachment resolution based on the speech yesterday morning and removal vote happens.

      Since the Senate recessed to the 19th, I don’t know how that could happen much less if there are votes

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 10:14 am || Up

        Technically not recessed, right? I think they are still holding pro forma sessions. McConnell can bring them back whenever he wants.

        • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 10:17 am || Up

          I don’t know. Probably. A side question, when do warnock and ossoff get seated?

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 10:21 am || Up

            Probably not before the 20th? Georgia has to certify it, which I requires counting all the overseas ballots that trickle in late, even if they can’t change the outcome.

  10. AV AV Jan 7,2021 10:37 am

    stop what you’re doing because this one is beyond.

    *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • elcroata elcroata Jan 7,2021 10:45 am || Up

      What a deplorable bunch of cowards. “Do the right thing and fight?!”

      Because survival is insufficient
  11. elcroata elcroata Jan 7,2021 10:39 am

    How would an incomplete cabinet affect 25th?

    Because survival is insufficient
    • elcroata elcroata Jan 7,2021 10:41 am || Up

      Because survival is insufficient
      • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 11:38 am || Up

        LOL like she wasn’t gone the minute McConnel spoke

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 10:42 am || Up

      Been wondering that for a while. Who exactly are the “principal officers of the executive departments” when almost no Senate-confirmed people remain? Another area where we probably need new legislation to patch a constitutional hole.

      • AV AV Jan 7,2021 10:45 am || Up

        i’m not sure they were smart enough to think of it as a tactic or just their dumb not knowing what buttons to push to make government happen, but yeah, not having an actual cabinet’s been an issue on the 25th.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 10:48 am || Up

          Resigning from the cabinet because the president is cray cray when the constitution makes it your actual job to remove a cray cray president from power really pisses me off.

          • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 11:41 am || Up

            it wasn’t for cray cray, it was so Mrs. Wilson would stop trying to be lady president.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 11:44 am || Up

              It wasn’t for cray cray, but it says what it says, and cray cray makes you unable to discharge your duties at some point.

              • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 12:09 pm || Up

                very true. My point was, along the lines of your original comment, I doubt in the wake of FDRs death, whomever wrote the language gamed out cray cray. Like cray cray appoints cray cray and they will never vote to invoke, no matter if it were a 3/4 majority or 1/4 minority.

                The hopeful thing is new amenndments won’t find as much resistance, maybe we can get a EC reform along with a 25th amendment amendment

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • AV AV Jan 7,2021 10:42 am || Up

      the vice president and a majority of sitting Cabinet secretaries decide that the president is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,” they can simply put that down in writing and send it to two people

      https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/9/14488980/25th-amendment-trump-pence

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • elcroata elcroata Jan 7,2021 11:35 am || Up

      Nancy is on board

      Because survival is insufficient
  12. andeux andeux Jan 7,2021 10:40 am

    TINSTAAFK
  13. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 11:31 am

    The Chief must be in the bunker with Trump.

    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 11:52 am || Up

      Pence is probably banging on the bunker door, begging to be let in.

  14. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 11:39 am

    Those UK sportsbooks who laid odds on “Trump won’t serve out his full term” have to be suddenly sweating just a little.

  15. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 7,2021 3:13 pm

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 3:16 pm || Up

      He has 12 days left to try to quarter some troops in peacetime.

    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 12,2021 1:50 pm || Up

      Here’s a new one! This is the amendment passed by Congress as part of the bill of rights and only ratified in 1992.

      • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 2:49 pm || Up

        Is that the one a guy from texas found during a college class and decided to make getting it ratified a hobby?

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  16. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 4:10 pm

    Does the blue life they ended yesterday matter or…

    • andeux andeux Jan 7,2021 5:15 pm || Up

      So one police officer killed (hit in head with fire extinguisher), one woman “shot by a plainclothes cop after climbing through a broken window and trying to enter the House chamber” (not clear why that was singled out for deadly force), another woman crushed to death, a heart attack, and a stroke.
      That’s a pretty impressive death toll.

      TINSTAAFK
      • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 5:23 pm || Up

        from a reporter’s thread I saw, it was the entrance to the “Speakers Lobby” which in light of the invasion of her office makes me confused

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • ptbnl Jan 7,2021 8:53 pm || Up

      From what I’ve seen the police officer death report was retracted. He’s still on life-support, but …

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 8:59 pm || Up

        should probably get a picture of that cop on a billboard along the route Josh hawley takes to work

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  17. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 4:27 pm

    Indeed

    One current Metro D.C. police officer said in a public Facebook post that off-duty police officers and members of the military, who were among the rioters, flashed their badges and I.D. cards as they attempted to overrun the building. “If these people can storm the Capitol building with no regard to punishment, you have to wonder how much they abuse their powers when they put on their uniforms,” the officer wrote.

    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 7,2021 5:05 pm || Up

      It took 14 paragraphs before that bit of news was worth reporting? That is far more important than the risks from a stolen laptop or infiltrators planting bugs.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 12:18 am || Up

      Another one of the most shocking / least surprising news out there

      Because survival is insufficient
  18. andeux andeux Jan 7,2021 5:21 pm

    Is Pelosi’s statement that if the cabinet doesn’t act via 25th amendment she will consider reconvening the House for impeachment really any different from Lindsey Graham’s “if something else happens, all actions would be on the table”?
    Just fking do it.

    TINSTAAFK
  19. Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 5:23 pm

    Sigh.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 5:27 pm || Up

      A UNC education wasted.

      • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 7,2021 5:35 pm || Up

        I want to hear more about the luted cities they sound lovely.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 5:41 pm || Up

          You should get some stollen in the luted cities. it’s delish

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 5:42 pm || Up

          Can you get stollen this time of year, elcroata?

          • elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 12:09 am || Up

            Not the edible ones. But it also means cleats

            Because survival is insufficient
    • andeux andeux Jan 7,2021 5:37 pm || Up

      Outfielder for the Las Vegas Aviators

      TINSTAAFK
  20. Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 5:48 pm

    There is the pivot! Phew, the rest of the term is going to go smoothly. (not gonna link his statement. It was adequate)

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  21. AV AV Jan 7,2021 7:07 pm

    something something don’t care about your feelings.

    *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 7:11 pm || Up

      I know they have no plan. I know that whatever plan they would make is a bad one based on bad thinking, but what did they hope to accomplish with the Video? Stave off the 25th?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • AV AV Jan 7,2021 7:21 pm || Up

        amazingly good question. i totally took it as something normal people do when they went too far but forgot this is not normal people.

        like, who talked him into it? or did he really think it up by himself?

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 7:22 pm || Up

        Stave off the 25th, impeachment, prosecution, you name it.

        • AV AV Jan 7,2021 7:28 pm || Up

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
          • AV AV Jan 7,2021 7:30 pm || Up

            the funny thing is i’ve been in my basement playing records for what, 2 hours? and already it’s a brand new scandal(s) to catch up to up here.

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
            • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 7,2021 8:53 pm || Up

              My pioneer is biting the dust, I am going to get a new turntable. Denon 400 is where I landed. I want 78 and semi auto. this one is “semi auto” in that it picks up and stops but does not return.

              A friend is leading me towards a Schiit tube preamp, which look cool and sound great, but then I need an amp too. that is going to get pricy. also new speakers would be necessary.

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • AV AV Jan 7,2021 9:18 pm || Up

                it’s like you never heard of earbuds.

                *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
          • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 7,2021 7:32 pm || Up

            He’ll pardon himself and make that just one more legal hurdle to surmount. Cheat, deny, litigate, repeat.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
            • Soaker Soaker Jan 7,2021 7:56 pm || Up

              I wouldn’t mind him doing that all that much because I’d hope it would be a catalyst for amending the Constitution to get rid of the pardon power. I find that far more odious than beneficial.

              What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
          • andeux andeux Jan 7,2021 7:33 pm || Up

            The chances of him being successfully prosecuted for inciting the riot seems a lot lower than for all the more routine crimes (fraud, tax evasion, etc.) he has committed over the years.

            TINSTAAFK
      • andeux andeux Jan 7,2021 7:30 pm || Up

        For that matter, what did they (anyone) hope to accomplish with storming the capitol? Overturning the election…how exactly?

        TINSTAAFK
        • AV AV Jan 7,2021 7:33 pm || Up

          they didn’t even have a headline speaker.

          the 17-yr-old kid who did the mission high protest was better prepared.

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 7:35 pm || Up

          They thought Trump was going to stage a real coup while they were helping.

          • AV AV Jan 7,2021 7:39 pm || Up

            yep

            After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.

            https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-save-america-rally-transcript-january-6

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
            • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 7:41 pm || Up

              And then he slunk right back to the bunker to watch it on TV. What a piece of shit.

            • AV AV Jan 7,2021 7:46 pm || Up

              i just realized:

              protest before speech, you’re in the breech
              speech before protest, you’re drinking forest

              koolaid i meant koolaid

              *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
              • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 7,2021 8:39 pm || Up

                Drinking bleach was just sitting there!

                "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • andeux andeux Jan 7,2021 7:47 pm || Up

            That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works.

            TINSTAAFK
  22. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 7,2021 9:33 pm
  23. elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 3:10 am

    Because survival is insufficient
  24. elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 3:15 am

    It goes on

    Because survival is insufficient
  25. elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 5:54 am

    More first hand stories

    Senator Mitt Romney, Republican of Utah, threw up his hands in exasperation.

    “This is what you’ve gotten, guys,” he yelled, referring to a dozen or so Republican colleagues who were challenging President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory, which Congress was meeting to affirm.

    Because survival is insufficient
    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 8:27 am || Up

      Today’s The Daily is worth a listen.

      • elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 8:39 am || Up

        Virginia had and told me about it.

        Because survival is insufficient
      • AV AV Jan 8,2021 4:00 pm || Up

        uhhh…

        cop rationalization: ~wE lEaRneD oUr lEsSoN FrOm tHe SuMmer~

        mikie barb: that sounds right. and then what happened?

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  26. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 7:08 am

    Reuters photographer:

  27. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 7:46 am

    I wonder how her lawyer thought this was gonna go.

    • andeux andeux Jan 8,2021 10:29 am || Up

      Maybe she could have accused a random black kid of stealing her phone and then assaulted him in a way that “didn’t hurt his feelings so much,” and after all, her phone really WAS missing, so when you think about it, isn’t she the real victim here?

      TINSTAAFK
      • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 10:32 am || Up

        She considers herself to be super sweet, so this has to be really hard for her.

        • ptbnl Jan 8,2021 11:40 am || Up

          And the “daddy” cap …

          If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  28. elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 8:16 am
    Because survival is insufficient
  29. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 8:33 am

  30. elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 9:38 am

    Because survival is insufficient
    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 9:45 am || Up

      Feels like it was always going to end up here.

  31. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 9:48 am

    • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 8,2021 10:40 am || Up

      aren’t there stairs just a few feet away

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • AV AV Jan 8,2021 11:42 am || Up

        only on both sides.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • ptbnl Jan 8,2021 11:45 am || Up

          When you’re that blinkered a few feet to the side could be on Mars.

          If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
        • andeux andeux Jan 8,2021 11:58 am || Up

          Enough with this bothsidesism.

          TINSTAAFK
    • doctorK doctorK Jan 12,2021 10:22 pm || Up
  32. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 10:37 am

    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 10:40 am || Up

  33. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 10:43 am

    Hope they weren’t let on the plane…

    • AV AV Jan 8,2021 11:43 am || Up

      i hope they were.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 12:29 pm || Up

        So do I. I’m ready for a big bag of popcorn and extended Celebrity Deathmatch

        Because survival is insufficient
    • AV AV Jan 8,2021 12:04 pm || Up

      if ever there was a time to come out.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  34. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 11:00 am

    My god. This is horrifying. We are so lucky that only one officer died, and no other staff or electeds.

    • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 8,2021 11:20 am || Up

      Play this on a loop in front of josh hawley. All day. Everyday

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  35. ptbnl Jan 8,2021 11:48 am

    If Trump wont attend the inauguration, can they get the Trump baby blimp instead?

    If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  36. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 12:46 pm

    Thoughts and prayers

    • elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 12:49 pm || Up

      And go A’s

      Because survival is insufficient
    • andeux andeux Jan 8,2021 12:50 pm || Up

      Besides the obvious fact that Trump should be impeached because he is unfit, making GOP Senators vote on it seems like a political win at this point.

      TINSTAAFK
    • elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 12:59 pm || Up

      For some reason, fucking California Brownshirts annoy me more than the SEC ones. This happened in fucking LA.

      null

      Moments later, Nibo found herself in the middle of pro-Trump demonstrators, as they pushed her around, smacked her, snatched her wig from her head, and at one point, pepper-sprayed her, she said. Nibo said she believes the crowd would have tried to kill her had it not been for a man who stepped in to shield her before she was carried away.
      […]
      “The LAPD is continuing to conduct a thorough investigation, and we encourage any witnesses or those with information on the suspect(s) to contact Central Area Detectives,” police said in a statement.
      By the end of the day, police had arrested six people involved in a clash between Trump supporters and counter protesters, NBC Los Angeles reported. No one was arrested in the incident involving Nibo.

      Because survival is insufficient
      • elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 1:07 pm || Up

        Raquel Natalicchio, a freelance photographer who captured the incident, said at least 20 Trump supporters circled Nibo, screamed in her face and pushed her among each other. She added that she witnessed men holding flagpoles beating her and others who punched her.

        [..]

        Natalicchio said that although officers were nearby while she photographed the incident, none intervened. “It took two bystanders to pull her out,” she tweeted.

        Because survival is insufficient
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 8,2021 3:42 pm || Up

      If only they had listened to 2016 Lindsey warning how Trump would destroy the GOP. Instead of Jan 20 2017 through Jan 6 2020 Lindsey who abetted said destruction.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  37. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 12:57 pm

    • andeux andeux Jan 8,2021 1:07 pm || Up

      Former Oakland cop, I think, although apparently some current cops have also made supportive statements.
      And he’s a boogaloo boy too, which is the part that’s really mind-boggling.

      TINSTAAFK
      • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 1:10 pm || Up

        Seems pretty clear that a lot of cops are cops because they like to play with guns and aren’t particularly employable otherwise.

        • andeux andeux Jan 8,2021 1:14 pm || Up

          Well, yeah, that’s not exactly news, but how do you end up in a group that kills other cops?

          TINSTAAFK
          • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 1:16 pm || Up

            Because it’s another group that likes to play with guns and they aren’t very bright.

  38. Future Ed Future Ed Jan 8,2021 1:03 pm

    I read this on twitter yesterday and still haven’t found confirmation, but still, maybe it’s true?

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • AV AV Jan 8,2021 1:22 pm || Up

      i don’t buy the part about tip o’neill.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  39. elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 1:16 pm

    Because survival is insufficient
  40. elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 1:18 pm

    General question. From what I gather heer at the sidelines, FBI seems to be less right-wing infested than the military and the police, right? They have like intelligence tests and stuff to get in, don’t they?

    Because survival is insufficient
    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 1:26 pm || Up

      Different kind of right wing, I’d say. Fewer nazis, but more hoovers.

      • andeux andeux Jan 8,2021 1:34 pm || Up

        Yeah, I would expect the median FBI agent to vote Republican, but not to believe that Hillary Clinton was leading an international pedophile ring.

        TINSTAAFK
        • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 8,2021 3:39 pm || Up

          Also the FBI has endured a four year character assault at Trump’s hands.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  41. elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 1:28 pm

    That’s Southern politeness, right there

    A day earlier, federal prosecutors filed a criminal complaint accusing a man named Mark J. Leffingwell of punching a Capitol Police officer repeatedly in the head and chest, before apologizing.

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    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 1:30 pm || Up

      Canadian infiltrators! False flag!

  42. elcroata elcroata Jan 8,2021 1:42 pm

    She can switch places with Manchin

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    • andeux andeux Jan 8,2021 2:06 pm || Up

      I wasn’t expecting the Democrats to win in Georgia, but had started to think about the (admittedly long-shot) possibility of Murkowski and Romney switching parties and letting the Dems have control. The majority leader pretty much totally controls what gets to come up for a vote, so if they wanted to avoid McConnellism (cabinet members and judges never being confirmed for no real reason except spite, covid relief held up for months) they could let Schumer control the agenda, but still could (and likely would) vote with the Republicans on many substantive matters.
      Now that the Dems have control anyway, this is not as valuable for them, and a little more self-serving for her. I do believe that she is a little more sincere in her concerns about having a functioning government than Susan Collins is, though.

      TINSTAAFK
      • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 2:15 pm || Up

        She sounds legitimately pissed, but, like, could she not have voted for witnesses at the damn impeachment trial? Obviously Trump has done a lot more “damage” since then, but that shouldn’t have been a hard vote if she had a spine.

        • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 8,2021 3:44 pm || Up

          Absolutely, Murkowski and Collins and Sasse and the rest of the no-impeachment Republicans can fuck right off.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  43. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 8,2021 1:57 pm

    Ossoff’s righteous skewering of this crook during the campaign seems to have left an enduring mark on his feelings.

  44. AV AV Jan 8,2021 2:01 pm

    only saying the obvious, but how fucked up is the world that an A’s blog doesn’t even mention lasorda’s death?

    *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • andeux andeux Jan 8,2021 2:12 pm || Up

      This is a pretty good story too.

      TINSTAAFK
      • AV AV Jan 8,2021 2:15 pm || Up

        could only see above the fold but that sounds fun.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • andeux andeux Jan 8,2021 2:25 pm || Up

          Angels pitchers implicated: Troy Percival, Brendan Donnelly, Tyler Chatwood, Kevin Jepsen and, most recently, Cam Bedrosian, Keynan Middleton, Yusmeiro Petit, Luke Bard, Matt Andriese, Dylan Peters, Jose Suarez and Dylan Bundy. Also C.J. “Lawyerball” Wilson.

          non-Angels pitchers implicated: Gerrit Cole, Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Felix Hernandez, Corey Kluber and Adam Wainwright.

          TINSTAAFK
          • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 8,2021 2:47 pm || Up

            implicated implies anyone cares

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • sslinger Jan 8,2021 6:40 pm || Up

            Couldn’t see anything beyond the first line – implicated in what?

            • AV AV Jan 8,2021 6:55 pm || Up
              *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
            • andeux andeux Jan 8,2021 6:55 pm || Up

              Angels visiting clubhouse manager was preparing a special blend of rosin & pine tar and supplying it to both home and visiting pitchers for better grip & higher spin rate.
              He was fired, and is now suing on the grounds that he was made a scapegoat for something that lots of players were doing, and that other teams were also supplying.

              TINSTAAFK
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 8,2021 3:47 pm || Up

      Lasorda is right there with Murkowski on the spite-o-meter for me.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • AV AV Jan 8,2021 3:56 pm || Up

        it’s the negative comments i was wondering most about.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  45. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 8,2021 7:39 pm

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  46. Future Ed Future Ed Jan 8,2021 10:39 pm

    Went to the office today for the first time since probably December 7th. On my desk was a christmas present from my investigator. He is very very good at gifting. Vintage ties one year, vintage shirts another. Record cleaner. Socks that I like. Hit after hit for over 10 years.

    This year, an A’s toaster. Pitch perfect. Almost like the guy pays attention or something.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  47. Future Ed Future Ed Jan 8,2021 11:31 pm

    It’s the anarchist cookbook, not president for like cookbook

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  48. Future Ed Future Ed Jan 8,2021 11:35 pm
    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  49. elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 1:48 am

    “Due to COVID-19 travel restrictions, this year the United States had to organize the coup at home.”

    Because survival is insufficient
  50. elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 4:15 am

    I’ll take Stupid or Malicious? for $200

    That night, Nehls still voted against certifying the Arizona and Pennsylvania electoral votes for Biden. He said he believes changes to election laws were unconstitutional, which they have not been shown to be. The electoral votes were ultimately certified and Vice President Mike Pence declared Biden the winner early Thursday.

    Because survival is insufficient
  51. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 9,2021 9:01 am

    I am ready for some football! I’ve jumped fully aboard the Bills and Browns bandwagons (caution, may be dangerous). Also liking this playoff format which provides games all day long both Saturday and Sunday. Just the kind of disease-and-injury-ridden mayhem I need to distract from the disease-and-injury-ridden mayhem elsewhere.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 9:56 am || Up

      Please don’t jinx the Bills

      Because survival is insufficient
      • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 9,2021 10:36 am || Up

        I’m also rooting for the Ravens Bears Rams and WFTs, Pelosi Schumer AOC and Sasse, selected federal prosecutors, and the month of February.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 1:27 pm || Up

        Good job, FSU!

        Because survival is insufficient
  52. ptbnl Jan 9,2021 9:27 am

    If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  53. elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 10:09 am

    In today’s white privilege news

    A white man who deliberately sped his car through a crowd of racial injustice protesters in Iowa City, striking several, will avoid prison and have the incident erased from his record if he stays out of trouble for three years.

    A judge last month granted a deferred judgment for Michael Ray Stepanek, 45, who told police he drove his Toyota Camry through the crowd in August because the protesters needed “an attitude adjustment.”

    Because survival is insufficient
  54. elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 10:39 am

    Because survival is insufficient
  55. elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 11:02 am

    Awesome starting positions for the Bills

    Because survival is insufficient
    • andeux andeux Jan 9,2021 11:06 am || Up

      Most were unavoidable but that was just a horrible decision to try to return the last kickoff.

      TINSTAAFK
      • elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 11:07 am || Up

        Yup. The first kick-off had a lucky bounce, but this was just dumb

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  56. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 9,2021 11:18 am

    Rash choice by Reich for Indy, coming away with zero points gives the Bills some momentum (which hopefully they won’t squander).

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 11:20 am || Up

      Yeah, this is one bad starting position I won’t bitch about

      Because survival is insufficient
    • elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 11:22 am || Up

      A catch

      Because survival is insufficient
    • andeux andeux Jan 9,2021 11:26 am || Up

      I can’t blame him. That was their 5th drive into Buffalo territory and they don’t want to rely on shutting down the Bills offense for the whole game.

      TINSTAAFK
      • andeux andeux Jan 9,2021 11:35 am || Up

        As it is, after being outplayed for most of the first half, the Bills being up at the half (which they would be now even if Indy had got the FG there) seems like a big victory.

        TINSTAAFK
        • elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 11:39 am || Up

          Definitely. It was pretty close to 7-17, and having 14-10 instead, and receiving second-half kick-off looks great, all things considered.

          Because survival is insufficient
        • elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 11:43 am || Up

          That last drive included three reviews that all went the Bills way and a drive-prolonging penalty where it was pretty clear they weren’t going to snap.

          Because survival is insufficient
    • andeux andeux Jan 9,2021 11:45 am || Up

      LOL.

      From footballoutsiders:

      reich blew the game…

      by oaktoon // Jan 09, 2021 – 2:16pm

      Pure and simple

      TINSTAAFK
      • elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 11:49 am || Up

        That oaktoon?

        Because survival is insufficient
        • andeux andeux Jan 9,2021 11:51 am || Up

          Yeah. He comments a lot in the open threads over there.

          TINSTAAFK
      • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 9,2021 11:57 am || Up

        That’s fantastic.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  57. elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 11:49 am

    You gotta almost feel bad for Jalil Brown. Has anyone ever had interceptions on consecutive plays only for neither one to count?

    Because survival is insufficient
  58. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 9,2021 12:29 pm

    Oh how familiar is the sight of TJ Carrie’s nameplate in futile pursuit of the wideout who torched him

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  59. andeux andeux Jan 9,2021 1:14 pm

    FUMBLE!

    TINSTAAFK
  60. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 9,2021 1:17 pm

    Replay crew getting a lot of work today.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  61. elcroata elcroata Jan 9,2021 1:18 pm

    WOW! I was certain there would be enough to overturn

    Because survival is insufficient
    • andeux andeux Jan 9,2021 1:19 pm || Up

      I figured another one going our way was too much to ask.

      TINSTAAFK
  62. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 9,2021 1:22 pm

    Hooray! All that work on the Hail Mary defense paid off.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  63. andeux andeux Jan 9,2021 1:23 pm

    Never a doubt.
    (Phew.)

    TINSTAAFK
  64. andeux andeux Jan 9,2021 1:26 pm

    Josh Allen is good for about 5 completely ridiculous plays per game, and you’re always just hoping that more of them are of the positive variety.

    TINSTAAFK
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 9,2021 1:29 pm || Up

      That fumble was almost epically ruinous. Great game.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  65. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 9,2021 2:30 pm

    Ragsdale for Coonrod is a trade right out of Roth or Kinsella.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  66. andeux andeux Jan 9,2021 2:49 pm

    That Rams DB jumping the route on a screen pass for a pick-6 was great.

    Also the Seahawks have a receiver damed Dissly, which seems like it should be a web 2.0 startup for insults.

    TINSTAAFK
  67. andeux andeux Jan 9,2021 5:43 pm

    The Bucs have a player named Sean Murphy-Bunting, which is weird because I don’t remember Sean Murphy bunting at all.

    TINSTAAFK
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 9,2021 7:28 pm || Up

      I had a similar thought during the first game about Mo Alie-Cox.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  68. elcroata elcroata Jan 10,2021 1:02 am

    My 11/11 on the NYT Weekly quiz was made possible by answering this hard question correctly:

    Which hard-luck N.F.L. franchise, which has never won a Super Bowl and once lost four in a row…

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  69. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 10,2021 8:48 am

    Hard to read this dispatch from Redding, in the context of everything else, including the political leanings of many rural police and sheriff outfits, and not feel like we are in for a spate of political assassinations or at least a hell of a lot of armed standoffs with the FBI over the next few years.

    • elcroata elcroata Jan 10,2021 9:14 am || Up

      Rapoza read a statement that he helped prepare for the self-proclaimed California State Militia that business owners were starting to place in their windows. The businesses, it says, “are protected” by the militia, and any attempt by the government to interfere “may be met with resistance.”

      Because survival is insufficient
      • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 10,2021 9:59 am || Up

        How long until the businesses are asked to pay for that “protection,” I wonder.

    • ptbnl Jan 10,2021 9:27 am || Up

      And this piece on the precursors, and the way that the failure (or refusal) to police to date has emboldened and enabled.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 10,2021 9:33 am || Up

      And what federal forces exactly are going to fight these battles? We don’t have a national police force and creating one, or massively expanding the FBI ranks, is itself a scary path.

      I already don’t want to visit most of red state America. And this kind of shit is going to take a lot of rural blue state areas off the list too.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 10,2021 9:52 am || Up

        The same ones that have been fighting them with not much success, I guess. Mainly FBI and ATF, with Congressional and state Republicans undermining them at every turn.

        I wonder what state law enforcement can deal with these particular nuts if the locals aren’t. California doesn’t really have a major state police force that I’m aware of outside of the CHP.

      • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 10,2021 11:58 am || Up

        This guy is one of the best, most deeply sourced reporters out there on the American Right. I take this warning very seriously.

        • elcroata elcroata Jan 10,2021 12:14 pm || Up

          I have no doubt. If Jan-6 could be done so easily on the center stage, with so little repercussion, just imagine all that will happen on the sidelines. Even if there were an absolute will to protect the non-trump-lawmakers, it’s just not possible, especially in the country where you can carry an assault weapon almost wherever you please. ETA was killing and destroying at will for decades, with much less weaponry, general infrastructure and support from the population.

          Because survival is insufficient
          • andeux andeux Jan 10,2021 12:36 pm || Up

            done so easily on the center stage, with so little repercussion

            Part of this has been intentional malfeasance from the executive branch. Not just the failure to make arrests on site, but also the failure to prevent it from happening in the first place, due to the decision over the past four years to not treat right-wing extremists as significant terrorist threats. This will be immediately reversed in 10 days, which won’t solve the underlying problems but should at least help prevent that kind of overt disaster of failing to respond to a terrorist act that was openly advertised on social media. Even when they choose to be less open, these groups will be trivial to infiltrate: “Hi, I’m a cop, can I join?”

            TINSTAAFK
            • elcroata elcroata Jan 10,2021 12:48 pm || Up

              I’m very skeptical of what effect, at least an immediate one, the change on the top will have for what will happen in your typical 20,000 souls town where half of the police force was protesting in DC this week

              Because survival is insufficient
              • andeux andeux Jan 10,2021 1:25 pm || Up

                It won’t change what any local police forces do (or, as I said, solve the underlying problem), but it will change what the FBI and the ATF does, and that’s a big deal by itself. And I would be shocked if doing this isn’t a major priority for the new administration.
                I saw it pointed out on twitter that while Garland is generally a centrist law-and-order type (as are Biden and Harris), he does have a history of prosecuting white supremacists. And for that matter, in this context being a centrist law-and-order type is not necessarily a bad thing.

                TINSTAAFK
                • elcroata elcroata Jan 11,2021 11:58 pm || Up

                  I agree with all of that. My point is it won’t help in avoiding bloodshed in the next weeks/months. It doesn’t take a terrorist organization to create terror in the USA, where every right-wing lunatic completely certain that his country is being stolen from him by a communist pedophile ring has an arms arsenal right in his living room that IRA could have only dreamt of. And that he can fucking take to the place where he wants to use it without even breaking the law.

                  Perhaps federal servants and buildings can and will be protected. Much more doubt if state ones can. And once you go to county level, just forget it.. Morbid as it may be, if bookies offered over/under of 3 for the number of public servants killed, kidnapped or seriously injured until, say, May 1st, I’m definitely taking the over and hoping I’m as wrong as when I do my picks in fantasy football.

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                • colin colin Jan 12,2021 8:03 am || Up

                  3 sounds wildly optimistic to me

      • AV AV Jan 11,2021 5:36 pm || Up

        i’m always thinking about this dude i saw in ’17. we were going camping near cal-ida and were gassing up, buying wood at a market w/ 2 pumps next to each other. there was this big ole red truck parked across both pumps, with obsessive levels of vinyl stickers on tailgate, sides, windows, one on the transparent wind thingy over the grill, pro-trump ‘merica blue lives and guns, and the classic calvin pissing on kaepernick on the rear window.

        i look in the truck and there’s this worried looking woman and 2 kids but no driver. so i figure buy the wood first.

        on my way in i cross paths with this buff angry looking guy heading to the truck so i very politely ask, hey, do you mind if i use one of the pumps you’re parked in front of? he says something like, i don’t give a shit what you do and, this is in the middle of a dirt parking lot, changes paths to make me get out of his way.

        i buy the wood. put it in the car. guy is just sitting there staring at me. wife looked terrified. i bailed. kept checking the mirror but nothing happened.

        next day we go up to downieville and immediately see the truck at the main parking lot. and him standing in the gazebo looking toward his truck, scowl, fists on waist, like angry-waiting.

        we do our thing, get a drink, look at the river, come out. he’s still there IN THE EXACT SAME POSITION. like waiting for someone to be dumb enough to say something about his truck.

        we went the next year and saw him again. kaep sticker still on (and he hadn’t worked in like 18 months by then).

        so yeah, every time i’ve been camping in the trump era, that’s in the back of my mind. especially now that our go-to is 25 minutes down a dirt road, out of cell reception, on a un-improved spot where anything goes, even shooting (we went in june or so, and there was a big party of unmasked drunk kids shooting handguns into the trees to the tune of hair metal blasting — no idea if they were even aiming at something), and my GF’s subaru sticks out from all the big ole trucks.

        hm. maybe if we get an old 4×4 that’ll be our beard.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 11,2021 7:26 pm || Up

          And in 2017 that scary guy probably still feared consequences.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • AV AV Jan 11,2021 7:36 pm || Up

            probably.

            but i’ll fool him. found a truck that does keg stands! the bros are gonna like me so much they’ll ask me to shoot *them*.

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 10,2021 9:47 am || Up

      Looking for another source (my free LAT articles are used up) led me to this long local account of an anti-mask mob at a Jan 5 Shasta County meeting, which featured well-known (former?) Berkeley gadfly libertarian nutcase Vladislav Davidzon. Last seen locally running for Auditor on a campaign of defaulting on all pension obligations.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  70. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 10,2021 10:13 am

    I suppose when you’re in a death cult deliberately infecting the non-believers is just a recruitment tactic.

    Sheltering House members were exposed to COVID.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  71. elcroata elcroata Jan 10,2021 10:16 am

    I love being on FK because, among other things, I can enjoy your expertise and knowledge about democratic processes. Lately, I’m afraid, we have been slowly but irreversibly moving into the period of US history that is more aligned with my experiences than the ones you have.

    Because survival is insufficient
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 10,2021 10:51 am || Up

      Your region’s war was the first time I remember learning the term “ethnic cleansing.”

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • elcroata elcroata Jan 10,2021 11:26 am || Up

        It was my hope for the US, that as there are no ethnic lines, the level of fanaticism would never be reached in which no arguments can trump the tribal association.

        Because survival is insufficient
      • elcroata elcroata Jan 10,2021 11:32 am || Up

        To be precise, I’m talking about the years leading up to the war, not the beginning of the war itself. The same angry, ignorant Shad Ledues that are rising to power here now. The police ever more overtly just siding with one tribe. Stuff like that.

        Because survival is insufficient
        • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 10,2021 11:51 am || Up

          What’s been worrying me the most lately is that we now have so many of these people among our elected officials. There are now several Republican members of Congress who if they weren’t in office, could easily have been among the insurgents sacking the building. And there were state legislators among the mob, one of whom just took office earlier in the week. And then you look at things like the Oregon Republican legislators who let the militia guys into the capitol in Salem, all the way down to the Shasta county supervisors.

          We’ve always had cynical demagogues willing to wink and nod and ride the wave of the crazies, but we now seem to have true believers with the full rights and privileges to put their colleagues in mortal danger.

          • sslinger Jan 10,2021 12:11 pm || Up

            Yeah, there have certainly always been some fringy people in elected offices, particularly in state legislatures, but the extent of it now dwarfs anything in my memory. And with the way the primaries are set up it seems inevitable there will be a steady pipeline of conspiracy theorists ready to feed the big lies and rally support from their people.

  72. elcroata elcroata Jan 10,2021 10:23 am

    Offensive pass interference has been discontinued in 2021, right?

    Because survival is insufficient
  73. andeux andeux Jan 10,2021 10:47 am
    TINSTAAFK
  74. elcroata elcroata Jan 10,2021 11:19 am

    Because survival is insufficient
  75. Future Ed Future Ed Jan 10,2021 12:34 pm

    This threat to democracy has me thinking, Signing Michael brantley and marcus semien would really be perfect.

    I trust Forst can cobble together a bullpen. Team dynamite excepted, that has been a constant.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  76. andeux andeux Jan 10,2021 5:29 pm

    I was hoping Buffalo could play Pittsburgh next, but they are already in a 14-0 hole to the Cleveland Covids.

    TINSTAAFK
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 10,2021 6:35 pm || Up

      Go Browns! Have to root for them after 17 empty years. Also gotta take the over on how many bad things happen to Big Ben.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  77. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 10,2021 6:50 pm

    An almost perfect, dream first half for the Browns. The first Steelers snap was Stooge-like in its slapstick beauty. Browns fans will spend all of halftime picturing the many horrible ways they can still lose.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • doctorK doctorK Jan 12,2021 10:30 pm || Up

      Anytime the Stillers get spanked is a good time. If you’ve ever flown into the airport there in Pittsburgh, you know exactly why.

  78. andeux andeux Jan 10,2021 8:38 pm

    KC/Cleveland and GB/Rams look like big mismatches.
    Buffalo/Baltimore and NO/TB seem like they could be good.

    TINSTAAFK
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 10,2021 8:49 pm || Up

      All six games this weekend were good, or at least close enough to hold interest. Traditionally week 2 is blowout city, but we’ll see, I could see both Cleveland and LA hanging around.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  79. elcroata elcroata Jan 11,2021 8:17 am

    Because survival is insufficient
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 11,2021 4:49 pm || Up

      I’m going to regret giving nevermoor my retina scan, huh?

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • sslinger Jan 11,2021 10:13 pm || Up

      When I first heard about the conservative alternative to twitter I assumed is was Parlour. How many of the MAGA people using it do you think knew they were on a site named with a French word?

  80. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 11,2021 4:44 pm

    Trump even lost Belichick.

    • andeux andeux Jan 11,2021 4:48 pm || Up

      He’ll always have Rex Ryan and Jack Del Rio.

      TINSTAAFK
      • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 11,2021 4:55 pm || Up

        Rex was all-in as soon as he heard there was treason afoot.

        Also I enjoyed the highlight yesterday of the last Cleveland Browns playoff victory, in which Belichick led them to victory over the Bill Parcells-coached Patriots.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  81. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 11,2021 4:48 pm

    Too sick a burn not to post here

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  82. Future Ed Future Ed Jan 11,2021 5:08 pm

    Speechless

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • andeux andeux Jan 11,2021 5:11 pm || Up

      I mean, Trump had already learned his lesson, so what else could it be?

      TINSTAAFK
    • AV AV Jan 11,2021 5:37 pm || Up

      thought… singular?

      and what about the prayers?

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 11,2021 5:43 pm || Up

      The thing about being sleeping over at Lisa’s because she was worried about finding parking at her place is weird. She drives herself to work? And she parks on the street?

  83. Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 11,2021 6:06 pm

    Well that’s not good, and probably shouldn’t be buried in paragraph 21.

    A Secret Service officer was put under investigation after posting comments on Facebook in which she accused lawmakers who formalized Biden’s win of treason and expressed support for the rioters who stormed the Capitol, the agency confirmed Monday.

  84. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 11,2021 7:38 pm

    Kinda weird that five days after a terrorist attack we’ve heard basically nothing from the DOJ, DHS, or FBI.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • ptbnl Jan 11,2021 7:41 pm || Up

      Professional courtesy.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  85. andeux andeux Jan 11,2021 7:39 pm

    Hendriks->Chisox

    TINSTAAFK
    • andeux andeux Jan 11,2021 7:51 pm || Up

      TINSTAAFK
      • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 11,2021 8:17 pm || Up

        The Bobby Bonilla option.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 11,2021 8:35 pm || Up

        That is a good deal for him. I wish him well, until the ALDS/ALCS

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • andeux andeux Jan 11,2021 8:48 pm || Up

          You think we’re still a playoff team?

          TINSTAAFK
          • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 11,2021 9:51 pm || Up

            The world series champs are usually in the playoffs, yeah?

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
  86. ptbnl Jan 11,2021 7:45 pm

    Who the FK carves “Trump” on the back of a manatee?

    If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  87. Soaker Soaker Jan 11,2021 8:14 pm

    The NFL should go ahead and grant Tuscaloosa franchise status. They could relegate the Jets to college to keep the number of teams right (and the Jets might even be relevant again).

    What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  88. Future Ed Future Ed Jan 11,2021 10:04 pm

    These people are so dumb

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 11,2021 10:48 pm || Up

      They also infected a 75 yo cancer survivor, Rep. Coleman from NJ. And Scalise and MTG and others just smirked. Criminal.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 6:59 am || Up

        I wonder if Coleman et al hadn’t gotten all their vaccinations let alone completed them like certain nurse upgrades have.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 8:08 am || Up

          Coleman had the first shot not the second.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  89. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 11,2021 10:51 pm

    Speaking of murderous criminals. I am convinced that the deplatformings are 100% about interrupting the insurrectionists planning right now. Zuck and Dorsey didn’t suddenly think Trump went too far.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 6:56 am || Up

      Agreed. But I don’t think it happens if the repubs keep the senate. this shit could have happened at any time.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  90. AV AV Jan 11,2021 11:17 pm

    are we tailgating or…

    *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  91. elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 1:52 am

    N.Y.P.D. Concludes Anti-Harassment Official Wrote Racist Online Rants

    When you get too numb to even laugh about such fine irony

    Because survival is insufficient
  92. elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 2:29 am

    So, the fourteenth?

    Because survival is insufficient
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 8:12 am || Up

      That’s my softball uniform number, in tribute to Mark Ellis, so I endorse this idea.

      I saw Lawrence Tribe tweet that he had concluded the 14th Amendment approach was a “murky and dangerous mirage” which could backfire, but he hasn’t articulated why.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  93. elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 6:52 am

    I have $220,000,000. No, I don’t.

    The problem is that Mr. Thomas years ago lost the paper where he wrote down the password for his IronKey, which gives users 10 guesses before it seizes up and encrypts its contents forever. He has since tried eight of his most commonly used password formulations — to no avail.

    “I would just lay in bed and think about it,” Mr. Thomas said. “Then I would go to the computer with some new strategy, and it wouldn’t work, and I would be desperate again.”

    Because survival is insufficient
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 8:15 am || Up

      Of the existing 18.5 million Bitcoin, around 20 percent — currently worth around $140 billion — appear to be in lost or otherwise stranded wallets

      I don’t pretend to understand digital currency except in conceptual terms. What happens to this wealth? Who benefits from it’s disuse?

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • vignette17 Jan 12,2021 8:30 am || Up

        Nobody, except that perhaps the scarcity makes the usable bitcoin more valuable. I’m literally the guy in the article except on a smaller scale. I “invested” 40 bucks in bitcoin in 2012 that’s now worth ~$5K. I created an uber secure password so my bitcoin was unhackable. Then I forgot the password. Oops.

        • AV AV Jan 12,2021 9:06 am || Up
          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 9:22 am || Up

          Uhg

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 9:30 am || Up

          I don’t think that it will affect scarcity – they are not lost, just inaccessible.

          Because survival is insufficient
          • vignette17 Jan 12,2021 3:35 pm || Up

            I didn’t explain it well when I said scarcity. The people who tended to invest in bitcoin at the beginning continue to want to invest in it. When they lose their password or get hacked, they tend to throw more money into bitcoin to make up for the loss. Hence, by losing some, they actually inflate the price of the rest.

        • andeux andeux Jan 12,2021 9:50 am || Up

          Maybe nevermoor has your password.
          Seriously though, that sucks.
          It does seem to be a common story. I read one a couple years ago where the author had written his password down on a slip of paper, that some family member had later thrown out. And I think that was another one where it was worth millions of dollars.
          And then there’s all the money that was lost/stolen/whatever on exchanges like mtgox and quadriga.

          TINSTAAFK
          • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 10:39 am || Up

            part of the business model, yeah?

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • andeux andeux Jan 12,2021 11:12 am || Up

            This is the story I was thinking of but it was less money than I remembered, and he did eventually recover his passwords.

            TINSTAAFK
    • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 9:21 am || Up

      So frustrating. I don’t think I could handle the stress even if it was only $40 like V17

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • 5Aces 5Aces Jan 12,2021 9:57 am || Up

        I get stressed when i cant remember my password to the insurance site to change my Dr, so yeah I’d be kicking stuff.

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 12,2021 10:03 am || Up

      Man, this is crazy.

      I don’t totally understand why it has to work this way. If your coin lives on a physical hard drive (not connected to the internet), then why the need for the crazy encryption on it? In case the government seizes it or something? And setting aside the problem of losing the password, what if the hard drive just plain fails? There’s no redundancy?

      • AV AV Jan 12,2021 10:23 am || Up

        10 years ago or so i put hundreds of CDs in itunes and sold the discs. at some point, maybe in some version update itunes cleaned up my library.

        lost all my mc 900-ft jesus, to start with.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • 5Aces 5Aces Jan 12,2021 12:54 pm || Up

          That is the worst experience. I had that with Yahoo music and just happened again with Google Plus music. But at least this time I had kept it all on a separate hard drive. The early 2000’s Fresno local scene will survive a bit longer!

          Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 1:01 pm || Up

          Speaking of losing the data, I have a lot of my data in the cloud, but also on a local NAS with RAID. To minimize the risk of an encryption attack, I have another external hard drive that I connect once a month and copy the NAS to. However, it’s a tedious process with the solution I have. Do you know any where this could be automated to the point that I only need to attach the USB drive to NAS and like click a button? The one that really works that way. I thought I was going to be able to do this with mine, but never could (WD My Cloud PR4100)

          Because survival is insufficient
  94. elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 10:09 am
    Because survival is insufficient
  95. elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 10:28 am

    I am absolutely used to weapons. I come from a country where they were fired at every decent wedding, and I mean AK-47s, not some pistols. But even we were not that bat-shit-crazy to allow people to enter government buildings with them.

    Michigan’s attorney general said on Tuesday that the Capitol was still “not safe” even after a commission voted this week to ban people from openly carrying guns inside the building because the decision does not apply to concealed weapons.

    Because survival is insufficient
    • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 10:46 am || Up

      it’s maddening

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 12,2021 1:23 pm || Up

      An announcement just hit that members of congress will have to pass through metal detectors to get on the House floor, probably because at least one of our new Qongresspeople has expressed an intention to pack heat at work. So, yeah. There’s a lot of bat-shit crazy to deal with here.

      • ptbnl Jan 12,2021 1:57 pm || Up

        Along with the reminder that firearms are only allowed in their offices.

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
        • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 12,2021 2:04 pm || Up

          I’m honestly worried that there’s a Dan White among the current crop of Rs. But good to know that it can only happen in the office building.

      • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 2:20 pm || Up

        Most recently Lauren Boebert, who in addition to packing heat made a point of tweeting out Nancy Pelosi’s location in real time during the attack on the Capitol.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 2:53 pm || Up

          She has to be prosecuted, yeah?

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 12,2021 4:42 pm || Up

          • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 12,2021 5:10 pm || Up

            Can’t wait to find out why.

            • AV AV Jan 12,2021 5:50 pm || Up

              they didn’t have magnets in 1776, duh.

              *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
            • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 6:27 pm || Up

              Reasonable expectation of privacy during the revolution

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • ptbnl Jan 12,2021 10:10 pm || Up

              He’s a Juggalo

              If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
          • andeux andeux Jan 12,2021 7:39 pm || Up

            Holy shit.
            It takes a 2/3 vote to expel someone from congress. Even if they make Trump their sacrificial lamb, the rest of these treasonous fkers will get off, won’t they?

            TINSTAAFK
            • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 7:49 pm || Up

              Getting 12 jurors should be easier.

              "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  96. elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 10:43 am

    Even better than Bojan Bogdanovic / Bogdan Bogdanovic combo

    Because survival is insufficient
  97. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 11:07 am

    Hey ec, in case your hoops schedule doesn’t auto-update to reflect COVID changes, note that the Heels host the Orange tonight, in a game of mid-pack ACC also-rans which isn’t nationally televised.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 11:17 am || Up

      Yeah, I know. I don’t get to see it. I have DAZN and they carry both UNC and NC State at Florida State this week, but no Syracuse games yet. They already had at least 4 Duke games this season, two of which were very enjoyable losses. Made me think, I’d subscribe to a channel that only had Duke and Patriots losses 24/7.

      Because survival is insufficient
    • Soaker Soaker Jan 12,2021 5:31 pm || Up

      ??? ACC Network is national; I get it on Youtube TV. If you have Comcast or something else in the Bay Area that doesn’t have ACC Network in the local lineup but has the other ESPN channels you might still be able to access it at ESPN.com–>Watch.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 5:38 pm || Up

        I have Comcast, weirdly I get SEC and Pac12, but no ACC. I’ll try via Watch ESPN at 6 but that hasn’t worked previously.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 7:45 pm || Up

        Success, thanks! Carolina’s mistake prone freshmen meets Boeheim’s weird zone, I’m not bullish.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 9:51 pm || Up

          Congrats!

          Because survival is insufficient
          • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 10:43 pm || Up

            Pleasantly surprised, Carolina is all over the map this year.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  98. elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 12:10 pm

    To get our minds off the impending apocalypse, I have played exactly four moves as each white and black, following all the rules. I ended up with this:

    Can you guess the moves?

    Because survival is insufficient
    • andeux andeux Jan 12,2021 12:35 pm || Up

      Four moves each starting with white and alternating? So far I don’t see how it’s possible.

      TINSTAAFK
    • AV AV Jan 12,2021 12:50 pm || Up

      erased because i can’t figure out spoiler tag.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 12:53 pm || Up

        Just click edit on my message below and copy it

        Because survival is insufficient
        • AV AV Jan 12,2021 12:57 pm || Up

          i don’t have edit powers. it’s fine.

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
          • andeux andeux Jan 12,2021 12:59 pm || Up

            <span class=”spoiler”>
            </span>

            TINSTAAFK
            • AV AV Jan 12,2021 1:29 pm || Up

              now the only unsolved puzzle is why the knight doesn’t take the queen (after the pawn allows it to live).

              *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • ptbnl Jan 12,2021 12:55 pm || Up

      I can do it in 7 moves each.

      Nf3 Na6
      Nc3 Nf5
      Nb1 Na4
      Nc3 Nxf3
      Nb1 Ng1
      Rxg1 d6
      Rh1 d5

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • ptbnl Jan 12,2021 12:58 pm || Up

        But yours is way more elegant.

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  99. elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 12:32 pm

    Reminder (mostly to myself) how to mark text as spoiler

    Because survival is insufficient
    • AV AV Jan 12,2021 12:45 pm || Up

      solved. what was the spoiler code again?

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  100. elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 12:44 pm

    I was always at a certain unease with families who name all their kids with names starting with a “K”. Although, I have to say I was totally wrong about Kyle Korver and I’m glad I was.

    Because survival is insufficient
  101. andeux andeux Jan 12,2021 2:28 pm


    Not sure if I believe this, but it sure would contradict my prediction that the GOP will be afraid to renounce Trumpers because they need them to hang on to whatever national power they have left. Mitch may well figure that so much damage has already been done that they might as well get the intra-party war out of the way now that they’re mostly out of power anyway, and get on with pretending the last few years didn’t happen as quickly as possible.

    TINSTAAFK
    • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 2:57 pm || Up

      most but the most rabid republicans will forget. We are the furthest we could be from a presidential election. The mid terms are general favorable to the out of power party, and this could help some of the moderate senators next round. I think there is 20 R’s up

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 12,2021 3:01 pm || Up

      This is quite a statement, especially given the source.

      • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 3:32 pm || Up

        “Much more will become clear…” is I think an important factor with both her and McConnell. The GOPers crying no impeachment will look even worse for example if it comes out that Roger Stone was a direct conduit from Trump to Proud Boys via Parler.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 12,2021 4:38 pm || Up

          I’m wondering if the house and senate leadership (which includes Cheney) didn’t get briefed today on some really bad stuff that hasn’t been made public yet. Apparently the House Democrats got a terrifying briefing from the police about other plots last night, and the acting US Attorney seemed to be sounding the alarm today that the investigation is going to be expanding massively.

          • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 4:58 pm || Up

            Reading between US attorney lines I expect they’re ready soon to make a bunch of attempted murder/ADW charges against individuals, and charging details of attacks on cops will be ugly. Then forensically connecting them into seditious conspiracy charges based on the LMFAO open source Parler will be a next easy step. And all that could just be this week!

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 3:36 pm || Up

      I think this is mostly McConnell being crafty again. He’s “pleased” by impeachment because he perceives the effort might hurt the Democrats, and if it works it frees his traditional conservative wing of the GOP from consequences of interparty Trump fights. I’ll be impressed if Mitch takes meaningful steps to make it possible, like calling Senate back into session.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Glorious Mundy Glorious Mundy Jan 12,2021 4:20 pm || Up

        I alway assume he’ll do the wrong thing, but things are moving very quickly all of a sudden. No time like the present to finish off Trump and show all of the wobbling corporate donors that it is safe to keep giving.

      • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 6:31 pm || Up

        I share your fear that this will somehow be bad for the dems, but last impeachment wasn’t bad in november, it was a wash really.

        I think this may be his “I met you half way” thing to talk about in polite company

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  102. Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 10:30 pm

    Did I miss this in any of your links? My god, again.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • andeux andeux Jan 12,2021 10:38 pm || Up

      I saw it on twitter earlier, not sure if anyone posted it here.

      My question (per FSU’s comment above) is which of these people could you actually hope to convict on a conspiracy charge?
      These three (Brooks and whoever the others were) who helped organize the “rally”?
      Boebert and whoever took them on the “recon”?
      Gohmert?
      Cruz & Hawley?

      I’m really asking, because I don’t know, but at some point the connection between the rabble-rousing and the actual riot must become ambiguous or distant enough to create reasonable doubt.

      TINSTAAFK
      • doctorK doctorK Jan 12,2021 10:40 pm || Up

        Expel these shits from Congress.

        Then convict them for high treason and execute them.

      • elcroata elcroata Jan 12,2021 10:45 pm || Up
        Because survival is insufficient
        • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 10:50 pm || Up

          Gosar was wearing his mask incorrectly on the house floor while giving his speech.

          Jailers have no time for that. He is not going to like the kind of “quarantine” they have in custody.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 12,2021 10:48 pm || Up

        That’s the problem with conspiracy charges. It takes a very tight case. Which is why tagging most of the people with trespass (or whatever they care calling it) is gonna be the end with the vast majority. If this holds up, they may be about 5-6 people in deep shit, but most everyone else will be ok.

        Large cases are really really hard to deal with. Some people start snitching, some the Prosecutors stop caring about and settle, its a really really long process

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 10:59 pm || Up

          Just supporting the planning of the event is probably not enough, absent advance knowledge and assistance to the actively criminal activities. Probably the same with the incitement at the opening rally by Brooks and Trump and others. Recon for the invasion OTOH does seem chargeable, if there’s evidence for the intention.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 12,2021 11:14 pm || Up

            Helping conspirators learn how to disable the panic buttons in Ayanna Pressley’s office ahead of time would presumably qualify.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 13,2021 12:22 pm || Up

        Cool cool cool

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  103. doctorK doctorK Jan 12,2021 10:43 pm

    Condors in Oakland? Condors in Oakland!

  104. ptbnl Jan 13,2021 8:08 am
    If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • elcroata elcroata Jan 13,2021 8:14 am || Up

      That’s rich.

      “Voters are opposed to impeachment and Big Tech censorship, and they want an orderly transition,”

      Because survival is insufficient
      • andeux andeux Jan 13,2021 9:06 am || Up

        Even by the high bar of disingenuous hypocritical bullshit the GOP have set for themselves, the argument that we shouldn’t impeach because it’s too divisive is still impressive.

        TINSTAAFK
        • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 13,2021 9:36 am || Up

          It is literally the argument in favor of terrorism. We have been terrorized and thus must avoid further angering the terrorists.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • AV AV Jan 13,2021 10:00 am || Up

            and the R argument right now. you can’t ask us impeach because the terrorism to terrorize us… it worked.

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • andeux andeux Jan 13,2021 11:41 am || Up

          TINSTAAFK
  105. ptbnl Jan 13,2021 9:17 am

    I’m giving a talk at the American Astronomical Society annual meeting today but our session was very badly organized, and the entire zoom attendance of 11 people includes 4 speakers, 2 moderators, and 3 tech support.

    If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • elcroata elcroata Jan 13,2021 9:19 am || Up

      Should we crash it?

      Because survival is insufficient
      • ptbnl Jan 13,2021 9:21 am || Up

        You’d have to register … $500 for non-members.

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
        • Future Ed Future Ed Jan 13,2021 9:27 am || Up

          but you have to do it because they need content for their website

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • ptbnl Jan 13,2021 9:41 am || Up

            We’ve lost a moderator and a tech support.

            If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  106. andeux andeux Jan 13,2021 1:32 pm

    At least Fisher is too cheap to do this.

    TINSTAAFK
  107. Jennifer Jennifer Jan 17,2021 7:22 pm

    America’s Coup. LOL

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