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Balloon Juice has earned a lot of Nevermoor Points(tm) recently.

In the sports world, Mauer has earned a lot of bank account points recently. Hank Greenberg (probably) lost a lot of home run points a long time ago. Tango has earned a lot of credibility points recently. Slusser has trolled for a lot of unicorn points recently. And the A’s might wind up with some bullpen arms soon.

Basically, yesterday was the best political moment of my lifetime. I’m in a good mood.

200 thoughts on “3/22/10: We Got This

  1. monkeyball Mar 22,2010 10:42 am
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  2. Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 10:47 am

    His focus and his ability to save something that appeared completely dead were both impressive. He might actually turn out to be the person who I voted for.

    • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 10:51 am || Up

      His focus and his ability to save something that appeared completely dead were both impressive

      TWIWT

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    • salb918 Mar 22,2010 11:06 am || Up

      is focus and his ability to save something that appeared completely dead

      Well, you were an A’s fan from 2000-2006, right?

    • mk Mar 22,2010 11:37 am || Up

      It was never dead.

      In their zest to out-preen one another, finger-in-the-wind pundits, triumphalist tea partiers, and lefty bloggers with an affinity for righteous doomsaying zoomed past the fundamentals of the situation. It reminded me of the breathless kvetching that often permeated the discourse during the 2008 election, along the lines of Obama not being “tough enough” or needing to “show strength” and “lead”, lest the whole enterprise go up in flames. Funny how those things seem so true, right up until the point they’re not.

      If HCR success hinged on courage or ethical considerations, I would have been worried. Happily, members of the House and Senate had only to remain faithful to their political self-interest, and that is always a safe bet.

      Panic infected a few mediocre Congressional minds in the wake of the Massachusetts election, but most everyone understood that acquiescing on this would be electoral suicide. Each and every one of them would have been for it before they were against it. The idea that Democrats are hapless failures who squandered their majority would have become received wisdom. GOP strategists across the land would no longer have needed deviant porn to achieve orgasm.

      At the bottom of all the kerfuffling, that was the dominant, guiding truth, one that Pelosi and Obama quite clearly recognized.

      • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 11:43 am || Up

        I think you’re too far the other way (but you’re right it was never dead). There was a real risk something tiny called HCR was passed. Or it was “tabled” to talk about jobs. Or whatever other nonsense.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • mk Mar 22,2010 12:54 pm || Up

          Disagree. That would have been the case if the Massachusetts election had preceeded the Senate vote, but once they crossed that threshold there was no turning back.

          I think a lot of the haggling you saw was just a heightened, lengthier version of what would have happened during the House-Senate reconciliation process regardless. They were always going to argue about the taxes. Stupak was always going to be a hurdle. Going from 60 to 59 made the degree of difficulty higher, but the leadership really had no choice but to go forward full bore.

          This meme that passing HCR is going to make November tougher for Dems is inane; precisely the opposite is true. Reporters and pundits don’t appear to grasp this, but I guarantee Pelosi does.

          • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 1:18 pm || Up

            Totally agree on your last point. The fact that GOPers are concern trolling is proof. As for the rest, I hope you’re right but I’m far less sure.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  3. monkeyball Mar 22,2010 10:51 am

    Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha:

    this, at least potentially, makes the race for the 2012 GOP nomination even more open and, hence, increases its entertainment potential

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    • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 10:53 am || Up
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    • mk Mar 22,2010 1:05 pm || Up

      I’m calling it now: Huckabee will be the nominee, assuming Jeb Bush waits until 2016.

  4. nevermoor Mar 22,2010 10:56 am
    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 11:09 am || Up

      He had far and away my favorite candidate domestic platform.

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  5. monkeyball Mar 22,2010 11:06 am
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    • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 11:09 am || Up

      Michael Arcuri (D-NY) and Stephen Lynch (D-MA)

      Hope they enjoyed being politicians.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 11:29 am || Up
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        • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 11:37 am || Up

          Arcuri’s primary challenger is likely to be endorsed by the region’s doctors. Whether or not a Democrat wins the election, I think he’s toast.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 11:09 am || Up

      BING!

      (and, not to brag, but there are many, many things I could accomplish in this world if I had my own midget)

      • Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 11:12 am || Up

        insert “sal is so short…” line from Matchgame ’75.

      • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 11:15 am || Up

        He ain’t lyin’!

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        • Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 11:21 am || Up

          So I’m working on a theory you may find interesting:

          Aliens came and abducted and replaced both Coen Brothers around 2001-2. I liked The Man Who Wasn’t There and think it fits their genre love. But after that…

          There’s got to be a way to explain No Country, like it was a scripted idea from the nineties that the aliens just turned into a film.

          • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 11:27 am || Up

            My friend has been saying since ’96 that there are the Coen Bros., and then there are those guys who directed Fargo.

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            • Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 12:03 pm || Up

              Fargo was awesome, Blood Simple was awesome. Raising Arizona, Barton Fink, Miller’s Crossing, Hudsucker, Big Lebowski, O’ Brother Where Art Thou?–these are all awesome.

              They in no way reflect whatever The Ladykillers, Intolerable Cruelty, Burn After Reading are. All three of them are fine movies–they’re simple little things–not too complicated, not too messy. And also completely forgettable.

              They spent from ’84 to 2000/01 making incredible movie after incredible movie. Then they decided to start making boring, plain ones. It makes no sense.

  6. monkeyball Mar 22,2010 11:21 am

    I think it’s clear now that these models of decorum were simply shouting “Neugebauer.”

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    • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 11:27 am || Up

      I was going to link the same thing, but only because of the b-s cover story:

      “In the heat and emotion of the debate, I exclaimed the phrase ‘it’s a baby killer’ in reference to the agreement reached by the Democratic leadership. While I remain heartbroken over the passage of this bill and the tragic consequences it will have for the unborn, I deeply regret that my actions were mistakenly interpreted as a direct reference to Congressman Stupak himself.”

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • Future Ed Mar 22,2010 12:20 pm || Up

        This is a bullshit confession. It is not against his interest to “confess.” He wins money and fame because of it. One GOP’r is going to be designated for the next few SOU or any big house vote to scream something dumb. That person will then get a bump in fundraising from the teabaggers.

        PS: I think this last week in bob stupak was totally orchastrated by the house leaders. Without dogged pursuit of the status quo, he and other anti-choice dems don’t have the cover to vote down the republican amendment.

        PPS on my firefox at home FK is in an unreadable tiny font. What can I do?

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 12:25 pm || Up

          Unreadable tiny font?

          The view menu has zooming options, but that’s a really weird one. Is it just FK?

          Also, I agree about the first paragraph. I think it’s hilarious that the GOP got to the “benefit from disruption” realization before Dems, since protests are our thing, but they did and it’s not going away.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 12:26 pm || Up

          I’ve been having trouble of late w/FK as well — home (both Firefox on my desktop and Safari on my laptop) and work (Firefox). Oddly enough, my mobile experience has been fine.

          Interesting theory on Stupak. Not entirely impossible — I mean, especially since nothing he said was true. He even duped Cao (R-LA).

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          • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 12:38 pm || Up

            Our host has had some more hardware issues (if that’s what you mean).

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • mk Mar 22,2010 12:30 pm || Up

          I don’t know if I’d go as far as orchestrated (I think they were prepared to proceed without his bloc), but the executive order deal was definitely 100% about saving face for Stupak.

          Basically, what Yglesias said:

          The problem with Stupack’s position in this has been that current law already reflects what he wants and the proposal he was objecting to also already reflects what he wants. If I wrote the laws, abortion would be treated like the bona fide medical procedure it is, and there’d be no reason that government-subsidized insurance plans couldn’t offer it. But I don’t write the laws, existing law reflects unjust discrimination against abortion services, and Obama’s proposals have always included a commitment to maintain the status quo. The political judgment that revisiting the Hyde Amendment in the middle of a giant fight about the overall structure of the insurance market was a bad idea strikes me as correct. But as a result of that, Stupak has been spending all this time huffing and puffing over basically nothing. In the end, Obama agreed to issue an executive order that basically amounts to pinky swearing that the Hyde rules are still in effect, but that’s always been his position. In exchange, Stupak agreed to acknowledge that the proposal actually does what everyone’s been saying it does, but he gets to walk away without admitting that he’s been wrong about this for a while now.

          • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 12:34 pm || Up

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  7. mother pucker Mar 22,2010 11:30 am
  8. mikeA Mar 22,2010 11:33 am

    Breaking Bad: not a very good episode.

    • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 11:42 am || Up

      I decided I’m only watching episodes with Saul in ’em.

      (Actually, we just canceled our cable a couple weeks ago. Imma wait for FKonsensus on their worth before ordering eps from iTunes.)

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      • mikeA Mar 22,2010 12:10 pm || Up

        no A’s games?

        • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 12:12 pm || Up

          Contemplating mlbtv. Can I have $105?

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          • mk Mar 22,2010 12:26 pm || Up

            Completely worth it, especially if you spring for a Roku as well.

            • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 1:17 pm || Up

              Cool. Thanks for the ref.

              And mikeA, please note that it seems as though mk is saying that your giving me $105 would be completely worth it.

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              • mikeA Mar 22,2010 1:24 pm || Up

                If you do that, you should get a permanent fake ip address unless there’s some other way to defeat the blackouts.

                • mk Mar 22,2010 1:28 pm || Up

                  Yeah. Forgot about that. Years ago, I think it was enough to just use a credit card with an out-of-area billing address, but no more.

          • andeux Mar 22,2010 1:21 pm || Up

            Wouldn’t you be blacked out?

            TINSTAAFK
            • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 1:27 pm || Up

              Ah, yes, that’s what it looks like. Score another big win for the web-savviness of the marketing MBAs at MLB!

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              • green star oakland Mar 22,2010 2:14 pm || Up

                Like the MLB marketing gurus, I’d assumed you’d be watching the Yankees and Red Sox.

                If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 11:43 am || Up

      That’s sad. I really like that show, but was worried about its direction.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 11:48 am || Up

        Last year’s cliffhanger was awfully sharkjumpy.

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    • mother pucker Mar 22,2010 12:01 pm || Up

      I felt it was decent. Not sure what cliffhanger the monkey was referring to, but they more or less wrapped up last season’s events and were starting anew. Aside from Walt’s beard, I think their direction is a reasonable one.

      I did think the way they handled the Jesse-in-rehab situation was poor.

      Oh yeah, I’m not sure if it was my own lack of knowledge, but the whole yellow-filter desert scenes were beyond me.

      • mikeA Mar 22,2010 12:13 pm || Up

        yellow filter desert was just setting up a new plot for this season. It is possibly going in a good direction but I thought this particular episode was hackily done.

    • andeux Mar 22,2010 1:13 pm || Up

      I beg to differ. Last night’s episode was completely gripping.

      I assume the scenes from the desert will be like the swimming pool scenes were last year, with little bits revealed over the course of the season. (And hopefully a more realistic resolution.)

      TINSTAAFK
    • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 5:26 pm || Up
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      • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 6:02 pm || Up

        I’ll read and respond once I’ve seen the ep. Hopefully that’s tomorrow.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • xbhaskarx Mar 22,2010 7:10 pm || Up

      **spoilers below**

      I thought it was great. Not up to the peak of the series (S2, episodes 7-8, imo) but up there with the other episodes from S2. I loved the opening and the school assembly scene.

      The only part I didn’t care for was cool guys don’t look at explosions.

      I was not familiar with Santa Muerte (like Jesus Malverde last season), and the Wikipedia page doesn’t mention this, but I found an article on the crawling via Google.

      I also don’t think the show jumped the shark at all with the S2 cliffhanger. One, obviously it’s supposed to represent all the people harmed by Walt’s decision. Two, they explained how it was possible when Walt talked to Jesse. Three, it’s not unheard of for dudes named Walter White to cause for mid-air collisions.

      • xbhaskarx Mar 22,2010 7:38 pm || Up

        Also I’m not the only one who sees the Coen bros everywhere

        Vince Gilligan, who wrote this one, gave Cranston plenty of cool material to shoot with the Cousins (who very much come off like a silent pair of Anton Chigurhs from “No Country For Old Men”)

        As Walt tried to tell Skyler, then Jesse, how complicated certain scenarios were (“there were many factors at play”), I got a real “Big Lebowski” vibe: “This is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-yous.”

        • Leopold Bloom May 2,2010 8:28 am || Up

          I don’t necessarily see Coens everywhere, but I do see Sopranos. The episode from season two, “Four Days Out” was almost the sam episode as “Pine Barrens” episode where Paulie and Christopher get accidentally stranded in very rural New Jersey.

          Also, the tension between Walt and Skyler is almost a direct copy of Carmela and Tony, even in the wife breakdown over discovering the breadth of the husband’s evil-doings and having an epiphany and throwing his ass out.

      • mikeA Mar 22,2010 9:12 pm || Up

        One, obviously it’s supposed to represent all the people harmed by Walt’s decision.

        And that’s really lame….

        • xbhaskarx Mar 22,2010 9:49 pm || Up

          Agreed, but a Walter White really caused a mid-air collision, that is so awesome that it makes it okay.

    • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 9:22 pm || Up

      **spoilers below**

      I’m coming down as good-not-great. I don’t like the silent cousins. I don’t like the changing clothes but keeping weird boots. I don’t like the taking-mass-transit-and-killing-everyone.

      I do like Jesse (and anticipate that therapy won’t stick. I think they’ll do a good job with his character as he goes through some tough times. I also like Flynn and everyone else picking the wrong side in the separation, but Skyler not telling them.

      I’m certainly looking forward to the season, but I’m going to need more on the Mexican assassins angle before I’m ok with it.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • xbhaskarx Mar 22,2010 9:48 pm || Up

        Maybe the guy really likes his boots. In any case some random farmer probably wouldn’t be the right shoe size.

        They were not planning on killing everyone, they only did it because that guy bragged about knowing Mexican gangsters and then noticed the boots.

        • nevermoor Mar 23,2010 9:15 am || Up

          Which is why you don’t wear the boots (if you must keep them, put ’em in a bag)

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • xbhaskarx Mar 22,2010 11:15 pm || Up

        One more thing, why are you so sure they’re “assassins”?

        I don’t know if they thought things through to this extent, but Santa Muerte’s robes are either blue or purple…

        Wikipedia: “Blue garb indicates wisdom, which is favored by students and those in education. It can also be used to indicate health. Brown robes are used to invoke spirits from beyond and purple robes indicate the need to open some kind of pathway.”

        Walter finally has some time away from his family, I’m hoping Walt and Jesse go to Mexico this season. It’s too good an opportunity to pass up, with all the shit going on down in Ciudad Juarez right now. And doesn’t Hank have to return to El Paso eventually?

        • nevermoor Mar 23,2010 9:16 am || Up

          They put his picture up, and have already racked up a significant body count.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  9. monkeyball Mar 22,2010 11:39 am
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    • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 11:48 am || Up

      Speaker Pelosi, radiant in lilac suit and matching pumps

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 11:53 am || Up
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        • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 11:55 am || Up

          But what was Cantor wearing?

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 12:13 pm || Up
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            • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 12:26 pm || Up

              That’s pretty great. At least we can all now agree there was no content worth reading on the website.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  10. monkeyball Mar 22,2010 12:02 pm

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  12. nevermoor Mar 22,2010 12:26 pm

    I knew I liked him.

    “It may not happen in my lifetime, or Dick Cheney’s, but hopefully by Easter,” he said referring to his and the former to vice president’s heart ailments.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 12:30 pm || Up

      Trying to guess w/o clicking/mousing … Grayson? Too young, I think. Big Dog?

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      • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 12:31 pm || Up

        Yep. Hunh. He’s usually not so candid with the attacks like that. Guess Cheney attacks can be considered fully triangulated/median at this point.

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        • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 12:32 pm || Up

          Ah. Gridiron. Scripted, a few mean-spirited jabs part of the genre.

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          • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 12:40 pm || Up

            Yep. This was a winner too:

            He said that when Obama appeared recently on Fox News the president was “keeping his word about meeting with hostile leaders without preconditions.”

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  13. andeux Mar 22,2010 1:39 pm

    re. Megdal’s Greenberg article:

    Over all, Greenberg walked in 15.9 percent of his plate appearances through the end of August 1938. In September, that rate jumped to 20.4 percent. His walk rate was 14.5 percent in 1937 and 15 percent in 1939.

    That’s a difference of about 5 or 6 walks over the month. It’s also about 1 standard deviation, which means that someone with a consistent walk rate of around 15% should expect to have a calendar month with a walk rate of 20% roughly once a season.

    TINSTAAFK
    • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 2:23 pm || Up

      I suppose to really answer the question you’d have to look at the pitchers faced. And, of course, you’d be left with SSS issues no matter what you do.

      That said, the numbers support the accusation to the extent they do anything.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • andeux Mar 22,2010 2:36 pm || Up

        The numbers are far enough down in the noise that the extent to which they do anything is basically zero.

        TINSTAAFK
        • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 2:45 pm || Up

          I guess my first question is how noisy walk rates are. I thought they were pretty quiet.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 2:48 pm || Up

            y-y vs m-m

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      • mk Mar 23,2010 6:32 am || Up

        I don’t know. Even if you accept that the accelerated September walk rate is fishy, how could you ever know what portion of the difference between 15.9 and 20.4 to attribute to anti-Semitism? His walk rate during April and May was 21.1%. June through August, it was 14.9%. You can contrive a lot of stark-sounding comparisons with the aid of arbitrary dividing lines.

        9/1, zero walks. Anti-Semitism not kicked in yet. Probably because he only had 46 homers at that point. I mean, no use expending unnecessary hate. Gotta save that for crunch time.

        But wait! After an off day on 9/2, he walked 9 times in the next four games. And still, only 46 homers. Were the White Sox and Browns pitchers walking him just to be on the safe side? Banking wasted PAs in case he got hot later in the month? Diabolical, sure, but I wouldn’t put anything past those racist fucks.

        Then he hits a shitload of homers between 9/9 and 9/27, putting him within spitting distance of the record. Honestly, I blame this development on inattention to detail on the part of the anti-Semites. They only walked him 16.2% of the time during this stretch! Maybe the memo didn’t circulate quickly enough (no Internet back then, after all).

        So. They got themselves into this predicament, now they’d have to get themselves out. Clearly, with a Jew only two homers shy of the record with five games to go, a racist walkathon would be forthcoming. Except it wasn’t: he walked 4 times in 22 PAs.

        He stayed stuck on 58, nevertheless I have to conclude that the anti-Semites bungled their plot, or at least chose an odd, front-loaded scheme.

        • monkeyball Mar 23,2010 7:03 am || Up

          At least it’s an ethos.

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        • nevermoor Mar 23,2010 9:19 am || Up

          Good points. I’ll admit I was too strong in my link above. I could, I’m sure, craft a story explaining all of that but it would also be hindsight-based bullshit.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • mk Mar 23,2010 9:44 am || Up

            See how quickly we resolved this argument about baseball?

  14. monkeyball Mar 22,2010 2:00 pm

    Whoa. Reid just told McCain to stuff it.

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  15. mikeA Mar 22,2010 2:25 pm

    I hope you are right for once in your life, Mark Steyn!

    More prosaically, it’s also unaffordable. That’s why one of the first things that middle-rank powers abandon once they go down this road is a global military capability. If you take the view that the U.S. is an imperialist aggressor, congratulations: You can cease worrying. But, if you think that America has been the ultimate guarantor of the post-war global order, it’s less cheery. Five years from now, just as in Canada and Europe two generations ago, we’ll be getting used to announcements of defense cuts to prop up the unsustainable costs of big government at home.

    • mk Mar 22,2010 3:02 pm || Up

      If I was a blogger, this is the sort of thing I’d keep in my back pocket for fisking on slow days. Subject to change of course, but I think my headline would be “Steyn: Health Care for Poor People Sows Global Chaos”.

      I love that it doesn’t occur to him that our “global military capability” is the thing that is unsustainable/unaffordable/unnecessary. Just doesn’t cross his mind. Beautiful.

  16. nevermoor Mar 22,2010 2:27 pm

    Speaking of, McCain probably should never say this:

    “I want to make it very clear, the people I represent in the state of Arizona are not going to sit still for this.

    I mean…

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  17. andeux Mar 22,2010 2:35 pm

    Dukeshire: 4 IP, 4 H, 1 BB, 1 K, 0 R

    TINSTAAFK
    • mikeA Mar 22,2010 2:40 pm || Up

      I disagree with this post about baseball.

    • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 2:46 pm || Up

      I disagree with this prost about baseball.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • mk Mar 22,2010 3:04 pm || Up

        I slightly disagree with this post about baseball, but I bet andeux and I can reconcile our differences in three comments or less.

        • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 3:16 pm || Up

          Take another look at my comment.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • green star oakland Mar 22,2010 3:19 pm || Up

      I disagree with this Proust about baseball.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 3:44 pm || Up

        I remember when Duke and I first shared that Madeline…

        • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 4:20 pm || Up

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          • mk Mar 22,2010 4:36 pm || Up

            I don’t understand why a guy would get all worked up over Kim Novak when Barbara Bel Geddes was right in front of his nose.

            • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 4:43 pm || Up

              You and me both, brother.

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            • monkeyball Mar 22,2010 4:46 pm || Up

              Now, the one band name I actually would use (had I any actual, you know, talent and/or discipline) is The Sad Carlottas.

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  18. monkeyball Mar 22,2010 2:58 pm

    In college, I banged the skins for Tuna Industry Payback.

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  19. nevermoor Mar 22,2010 3:49 pm

    MikeA approved violence. Although the facts are distinctly unimpressive.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 4:05 pm || Up

      Tea baggers versus mimes.

      Hmmm.

      I’d be okay with both just getting bitch slapped.

      • sslinger Mar 22,2010 5:44 pm || Up

        Jeebus, if anything sums up the level of political discourse in this country that may have just done it. Frakking mimes.

  20. monkeyball Mar 22,2010 4:59 pm
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • oblique Mar 23,2010 9:05 am || Up

      I expected that to be a link to a “Truth About 9/11” website.

      • monkeyball Mar 23,2010 9:10 am || Up

        LOL. Nicely done.

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • monkeyball Mar 23,2010 9:11 am || Up

        Someone needs to incorporate Lucasfilm/ILM into the Conspiracy.

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  21. monkeyball Mar 22,2010 6:09 pm

    iFSU, this got we

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  22. mk Mar 22,2010 6:16 pm

    The gist of this article on women in science is:

    1. Girls are fast catching up to boys in math.

    At the top level of math abilities, where boys are overrepresented, the report found that the gender gap is rapidly shrinking. Among mathematically precocious youth — sixth and seventh graders who score more than 700 on the math SAT — 30 years ago boys outnumbered girls 13 to 1, but only about 3 to 1 now.

    2. Still, ingrained sterotype reinforcement causes women to perceive themselves as less capable than men at math, even though they’re not.

    In one experiment, college students with strong math backgrounds and similar abilities were divided into two groups and tested on math. One group was told that men perform better on the test, the other that there was no difference in performance between the sexes. Their results were starkly different: in the group told that men do better, men indeed did much better, with an average score of 25 compared with the women’s 5. In the group told there was no difference, women scored 17 and men 19. […]

    In a separate survey of 1,200 female and minority chemists and chemical engineers by Campos Inc., for the Bayer Corporation, two-thirds cited the persistent stereotype that STEM fields are not for girls or minorities as a leading contributor to their underrepresentation.

    3. Once women enter science/engineering/technology fields, they get screwed over.

    The report found ample evidence of continuing cultural bias. One study of postdoctoral applicants, for example, found that women had to publish 3 more papers in prestigious journals, or 20 more in less-known publications, to be judged as productive as male applicants. […]

    [E]ven as women earn a growing share of the doctorates in the STEM fields, the university women’s report found, they do not show up, a decade later, in a proportionate number of tenured faculty positions.

    I know nothing about the subject, though I am inclined to believe the “soft bigotry of low expectations” aspect. Holy God, I just quoted George Bush (well, Mike Gerson anyway).

    In any event, I’m curious if this matches up with andeux (you’re a tech person, right?)/gso/sal’s experience in their respective fields (sal – did your wife ever feel she was at a competitive disadvantage due to institutional sexism, or would she scoff at the conclusions in #3 above?).

    • green star oakland Mar 22,2010 6:41 pm || Up

      One thing that we definitely see in hiring is the gender (and cultural) difference in cover letters and research statements – to zeroth order, white male postdocs present both their own accomplishments and the overall difficulty and/or value of their entire research domain much more aggressively. We try to calibrate for this (like a park factor) when deciding who to call to interview, but it’s tricky.

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • salb918 Mar 22,2010 7:54 pm || Up

      This is a pretty well-discussed issue in academic circles.

      I don’t know what is considered institutional sexism, but hard sciences are dominated by males and what you would typically call male characteristics: aggression, direct confrontation, competition. Many women that I know, including my wife, simply don’t care for that working style and so grow disillusioned with science as a practice. In mrs salb918’s case, it certainly wasn’t for lack of brains, that’s for sure.

      Many of the women that I know who have been successful scientists espouse a lot of what are considered male characteristics. It’s rare to find the nurturing scientist, although Uri Alon is a favorite example of mine.

      The tenure process selects against people with spouses, children, lives outside of work, a normal sense of human decency toward students, etc. So it’s natural that women are less likely to pursue jobs in academia and less likely to win tenure if they do become academics. It is also possible that they are selected against in the interview process implicitly (or explicitly) because they are not judged to appropriate personal characteristics it would take to succeed as an academic.

      [Oddly, the three scientists I would consider my most important mentors are all women.]

      All that said, it’s not at all clear to me that making science more woman-friendly will lead to better science. Sure, you might increase the innate brains in the talent pool, but almost certainly at the expense of “how-much-am-I-willing-to-kill-myself-for-a-job” in the talent pool. And, from where I stand, it’s the latter that is the prime determinant for who is a successful academic scientist and even who gets the “genius” label. Out here at four standard deviations, that’s the only way to really distinguish yourself in academia.

      It’s particularly bad in the physics, chemistry, and biology. My experience with engineering is that there is no shortage of women getting advanced degrees in engineering (my incoming class was about 40% female). They do tend to opt for private industry over academia for the above-stated reasons. That’s an easy (and expected) leap for engineers, but not so much for scientists.

      • Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 8:54 pm || Up

        You’re hitting on some pretty core issues for me here, surprisingly.

        I loathe that way of running just about anything, whether it be an office or a cohort or…well, anything. The only thing that aggression and competition will bring out in me is complete shutdown. I realize they work and work very well for some, but I fall in with Mrs. salb918 there. The best way to get me to flourish is through nurturing and idea-sharing, as happy as that may sound to some of you. It is only through the spirit of cooperation that I actively participate.

        My vast experiences at institutions of higher learning suggest I’m nowhere near alone. I do think that John Dewey, bell hooks, et. al., are onto something when they discuss varying methods of learning and communications.

        While we can break it down according to sex, we don’t necessarily need to break it down according to sex, though providing a “male” and “female” method of communication and organization does provide a sort of communicative shorthand. It does not break along sexual lines, however, as I strongly lean toward “female” methods, and have dated several women who communicate along “male” lines.

        I think there’s something to a vertical structure and a horizontal one, and, as men in our society, we tend to continually want to rank everything. While this makes our social structures less messy (and, speaking as a former case counselor in a group home, significantly easier to control), it also completely or partially stifles every voice that is not the alpha dog. There are, certainly, advantages to this sort of structure, but simply because it is the prevailing method does not by any sense mean that it is either the only way or the best way.

        • salb918 Mar 22,2010 9:17 pm || Up

          re: breaking it down by sex, yes, it is an easy communicative shorthand.

        • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 9:25 pm || Up

          I really want to agree with you, but I’m having trouble picturing a different way working at Sal’s 4th standard deviation.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • salb918 Mar 22,2010 9:33 pm || Up

            let me know if you find out.

            I really love science, but I’m just not cut out for being an academic research professor. I want to watch a baseball game from time to time. I want to spend time with my wife and kids. I want to work hard on my own terms. Even at the tier of university where I think I could get an assistant professorship, the demands on pre-tenure faculty are just out of control ridiculous.

            Thing is, there’s a steady supply of people willing to do that work who are as smart and smarter than I am, and they will almost certainly be more productive. So I don’t begrudge them one bit.

            • green star oakland Mar 22,2010 11:12 pm || Up

              I think national lab research science is much less stressful (although you don’t end up with tenure).

              If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
              • salb918 Mar 23,2010 5:09 am || Up

                That is why I am applying to your esteemed facility. Any tips for my research statement?

                • green star oakland Mar 23,2010 11:17 am || Up

                  I’ll happily take a look at it.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • green star oakland Mar 23,2010 10:43 pm || Up

                  (no surprise, it was a very lucid, compact description of exciting work)

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • Leopold Bloom Mar 23,2010 10:54 pm || Up

                  The closer I got to academia, the more I realized that tenure corrupted. Archaic and corrupted. Great mix.

                • salb918 Mar 24,2010 6:45 am || Up

                  No kidding about being archaic – in what other discipline are they still wearing robes and participating in the medieval claptrap that is called commencement?

                • nevermoor Mar 24,2010 9:18 am || Up

                  English legal practice.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • salb918 Mar 24,2010 6:44 am || Up

                  Appreciate the input.

                • nevermoor Mar 24,2010 9:18 am || Up

                  I thought it sucked.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • mk Mar 23,2010 6:38 am || Up

        almost certainly at the expense of “how-much-am-I-willing-to-kill-myself-for-a-job” in the talent pool. And, from where I stand, it’s the latter that is the prime determinant for who is a successful academic scientist and even who gets the “genius” label.

        We tend to think of “drive” as an unmitigated virtue, but quite often it is a synonym for unhealthy single-mindedness. I think it is probably very difficult to give yourself over fully to a job, sport, or a field of study without sacrificing relationships, perspective, understanding of the world around you, etc.

        Yves Smith:

        Wall Street jobs have long been the prime objective at the top of the MBA food chain, and that has always been a function of the money. Aside from looking for people who are well groomed, articulate and reasonably numerate (image is important, given the fees charged to corporate clients), firms screen job candidates for money orientation and what is politely called drive. At Goldman, the word “aggressive” was used frequently a term of approbation.

        But the firms are white-collar sweatshops with glamorous trappings. You do not know how hard you can work, short of slavery, unless you have been an investment banking analyst or associate. It is not merely the hours, but the extreme and unrelenting time pressure. Priorities are revised every day, numerous times during the day, as markets move. You have many bosses, each with independent demands and deadlines, and none cares what the others want done when. You are not allowed to say no to unreasonable demands. The sense of urgency is so great that waiting for an elevator is typically agonizing. If you manage to get your bills paid and your laundry done, you are managing your personal life well. Exhaustion is normal. On a quick run home en route to the airport after an all-nighter, a co-worker tried to shower fully clothed.

        • salb918 Mar 23,2010 6:57 am || Up

          From the I-bankers that I know, that sounds pretty much true. And it’s a similar single-mindedness with most academic scientists, a leap that I have neither the resources nor the inclination for (yeah I ended that sentence with a preposition).

          If the goal is to maximize some kind of gross national scientific output, then I don’t know why we would change the model (and necessarily leave behind a population of talented scientists, many of whom are women).

          I will take issue with sacrificing understanding of the world around you. Many of the successful academic scientists that I know are hyper-aware of the world around them within the context of their expertise. That is, they are constantly being bombarded by ideas, internally, of how they can improve/change/monetize the world around them by using their particular expertise. This is a useful skill for their career, but also for society at large. I am certain that somebody like Robert Langer draws his inspiration from the world around him, and society is better for it.

          • nevermoor Mar 23,2010 9:24 am || Up

            Ditto on the first line.

            I also agree with mk that, for the individual, it is probably unhealthy.

            That said, there’s a reason corporations are accused of wringing the life out of their employees and then discarding them: it’s the best thing for their bottom line. Most I-Bankers quit after a couple of years, but when they do there’s a line out the door to replace them.

            Similarly, scientific knowledge seems to me to have expanded to the point where a Ben Franklin-esque generalist just isn’t going to learn enough about specific areas to be useful. Dogged single mindedness might suck for the scientist’s family life/happiness/etc, but it makes it more likely the actual problem gets solved.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • monkeyball Mar 23,2010 9:28 am || Up

              re: sal’s first line

              Eh, all the i-bankers went to frats. The life of a junior analyst/banker is basically like 9-12 months of forced binge drinking and scrubbing bathroom floors with a toothbrush.

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • mk Mar 23,2010 1:18 pm || Up

              Similarly, scientific knowledge seems to me to have expanded to the point where a Ben Franklin-esque generalist just isn’t going to learn enough about specific areas to be useful. Dogged single mindedness might suck for the scientist’s family life/happiness/etc, but it makes it more likely the actual problem gets solved.

              My impression is that the demand for white collar generalists is shrinking overall, not just among the hyper-achiever set. For most corporate jobs, I’d still argue that “smart, good at various things” is more valuable in practice than “clearly qualified to do this one thing”, but the latter is definitely more likely to be hired.

              Anyway: I actually think a lot about the tension between expertise and generalism (for lack of a real word), though not in relation to science and not in the implications-for-society context Sal describes. My concerns are, as ever, more focused on my own navel.

              I’m an inveterate dilettante, and as such possess a little knowledge about a lot of things, but not deep knowledge about any one thing. Consequently I sometimes daydream about being really great at something, or laying claim to real, rarified air-type expertise. What if I knew everything there was to know about philosophy of the mind, or SQL Server, or agriculture subsidies? That would be awesome!

              Alas, the hard truth: I don’t want to learn the thing, I want to have learned the thing. I can’t bear the sacrifice inherent in the process. Not sacrifice in terms of effort. Rather, sacrifice in terms of time not spent collecting bits and pieces in dozens of different areas. As it is, I always feel like I’m missing something (when I am in a particularly melodramatic mood, I blame the Internet for this).

              I also would not want to turn into (for example) MGL, so obviously accomplished in one area, yet so cringe-inducingly naive/blind/wrong whenever he ventures outside that zone of expertise.

              I’m not sure which temperament – dabbling fiddle farter or laser-focused striver – is preferable with respect to my Personal Happiness Quotient, conversational chops, value to society, etc., but given the cards I was dealt, I have opted for a three-pronged strategy:

              1. Cave utterly to my nature (fiddle farter)
              2. Make fun of everyone who is not like me (strivers)
              3. Secretly envy the people I am making fun of

              • green star oakland Mar 23,2010 1:24 pm || Up

                (i) Where does the popularity of Gladwellian faux-generalists fit into your thesis?

                (ii) I’m sure it must be obvious, but MGL?

                If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • nevermoor Mar 23,2010 1:38 pm || Up

                  Mitchel Lichtman

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • mk Mar 23,2010 3:02 pm || Up

                  (i) What is a Gladwellian faux-generalist? If you are thinking of linking something by way of explanation, you should know that I would rather eat glass than read a Gladwell article.

                • green star oakland Mar 23,2010 11:36 pm || Up

                  I’m thinking of the fêting and fellating of superficially polymathematical pseudoparadoxicalist windbags like micro-G and the Freakonomists.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • andeux Mar 23,2010 12:22 pm || Up

      I went to grad school in pure math. It is a lot like sal described the other sciences, with some minor differences. Most of the people in math do have those stereotypically male characteristics – wanting to solve every problem, ace every test, and compare themselves against the rest of the world by how well they can do those things. But it’s also a field where no one really gets rich or famous, which selects against the people who are careerist dicks. (There are still some dicks of course. There are always some dicks. But mostly they are not careerist dicks.) So on the whole you have a bunch of people who are by nature competitive, but more collegial and less cutthroat than in some of the other sciences.

      People in math also tend to be pretty liberal politically, and there is a lot of awareness of the lack of women and various efforts made at recruiting and mentoring. Anecdotally, of my close friends from grad school, the one who has been most successful is a woman. She just got tenure at a pretty good university.

      Since being paroled, what I do is some combination of math/programming/engineering (my card says “Senior Analyst”). I can’t say how our female engineers are treated compared to the males, as we don’t have any.

      TINSTAAFK
      • green star oakland Mar 23,2010 12:38 pm || Up

        For a while, NASA’s cosmology program was overseen by a division called “The Universe”, which meant that there was a woman at NASA HQ whose card said “Director of The Universe”.

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • mk Mar 23,2010 1:27 pm || Up

        You should read Against the Day, if you haven’t already. If the math makes you break out in hate sweat (me), the experience of the book alternates from frustrating to incredibly frustrating. If you get the math (you), probably the whole thing goes down a lot easier.

        • andeux Mar 23,2010 1:41 pm || Up

          I want to have read Against the Day. Pynchon’s shorter novels have a pretty strong .750 average in my mind (liked Crying of Lot 49, Vineland, and Inherent Vice, found V. rather impenetrable), but I’ve never tried to tackle the three longer ones.
          (I should also read Mason & Dixon since my job involves making surveying equipment. Only my prosaic name prevents me from being a character in a Pynchon novel.)

          TINSTAAFK
          • monkeyball Mar 23,2010 2:43 pm || Up

            You and mk can be the Sample brothers: Brobdingnag (alternately “Bro” or “Nag”) and Blefuscu (“Fu(s)cu”).

            you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • monkeyball Mar 23,2010 2:45 pm || Up

              And you come from a family of chocolatiers.

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
              • monkeyball Mar 23,2010 2:46 pm || Up

                And you’re assimilated ethnic Laputans.

                you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • mk Mar 23,2010 2:54 pm || Up

            I read the last three to four hundred pages out of spite, almost. You couldn’t break me, Pynchon. I finished your fucking book.

            (Re-reading the following, uh … it’s possible my complaints betray an unwarranted bitterness. In other words, I hated it because I didn’t get it. So I will give him a few backhanded compliments as recompense: It is an oppressive, ego deflating experience to spend a month with such a prodigious intelligence. The bad parts pissed me off. The good parts – and there are many – made me feel cowed. The man has an enormous brain, and he lays down some crackerjack prose. And at times, he is pretty damned funny.)

            Here is a review that made me feel as though I was not alone in the universe:

            This story requires a thousand and eighty-five pages to get told, or roughly the number of pages it took for Napoleon to invade Russia and be driven back by General Kutuzov. Of course, there are a zillion other things going on in “Against the Day,” but the Traverse-family revenge drama is the only one that resembles a plot—that is, in Aristotle’s helpful definition, an action that has a beginning, a middle, and an end.

            The rest of the novel is shapeless, just yards and yards of Pynchonian wallpaper: fantastic invention, arcane reference, virtuosic prose.

            He seems temperamentally incapable of lingering anywhere long enough to cultivate the reader’s involvement. It’s always this new thing, that new thing, another new thing, and another and another and another. More characters, complications, settings, interludes, crazy names, chance encounters, madcap banter. And math. Always math. It is exhausting. As soon as you settle into anything or start to give half a shit, it’s on to some brand new fantastical sequence with a whole new slate of players. It’s beyond exhausting, actually. It’s dispiriting. Like he is trying to break your will.

            At a certain point, I was begging him, out loud, not to introduce any more characters or make me read another equation.

            He’s so restless to invent, bursting with arcana he can’t help but teasingly semi-elucidate. So he skips from one character to the next, using the (ostensible) protagonists as segues to the gags/ideas/chaos that – for the moment – command his attention. It’s breezy enough in the beginning, but the purposeful alienation (of the reader, by the author) works on you, makes you less interested in turning the page. I guess if Clever splits your gut and you get all the references, a thousand pages of this is a fascinating adventure. Otherwise, it’s an epic fucking struggle.

            So what was Pynchon thinking? To begin with, he was apparently thinking what he usually thinks, which is that modern history is a war between utopianism and totalitarianism, counterculture and hegemony, anarchism and corporatism, nature and techne, Eros and the death drive, slaves and masters, entropy and order, and that the only reasonably good place to be in such a world, given that you cannot be outside of it, is between the extremes.

            The book is threaded through with a fixation on doubles, oppositions, multiples of self, duality: brothers, companions in crime, ravishing women of the same name, a different ravishing woman split off into multiples by her magician husband, anarchists & oligarchs, eternally youthful quasi-real adventurers and their eternally youthful quasi-real brides, Earth itself (there are – maybe! – two of them, with – again, maybe! – separate though similar realities). The book begins, in fact, with the collision of dime novel myth (the Chums of Chance) and capitalist underbelly (Chicago slaughterhouses).

            Incessant winking drains the themes of potency, though. It’s all played for laughs, in one way or another. You slog through 1,100 pages totally lacking in forward momentum, and in the end, you have no idea how seriously you were supposed to take any of it. I always find this sort of affected ironic sophistication cruel and condescending: “that was fun and all, but don’t be a rube, it was just a bit of roguish messing about.”

            The preposterous length of the new book does include a vertiginous sensation, somewhat in the way of a “Where’s Waldo?” cartoon: the text exceeds our ability to keep everything in our heads, to take it all in at once. There is too much going on among too many characters in too many places. There are also too many tonal shifts, as though Pynchon set out to mimic all the styles of popular fiction—boys’ adventure stories, science fiction, Westerns, comic books, hardboiled crime fiction, spy novels, soft-core porn. There are echoes of L. Frank Baum, Louis L’Amour, Raymond Chandler, John le Carré, “Star Trek,” and even Philip Pullman’s children’s trilogy “His Dark Materials.” This was all surely part of the intention, a simulation of the disorienting overload of modern culture. As always, it’s an amazing feat. Pynchon must have set out to make his readers dizzy and, in the process, become a little dizzy himself.

            I would say that mimicing genre styles is like eating thirty cartons of Milk Duds or balancing a flower pot on your head – impressive, but not obviously meaningful.

            /end rant

            • monkeyball Mar 23,2010 3:14 pm || Up

              Nicely ranted, Bro. I still haven’t finished it. (The Pynchon, that is, not the rant.)

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • nevermoor Mar 23,2010 3:41 pm || Up

              I like books that are well written and make sense. Eat it LB and Pynchon.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • Leopold Bloom Mar 23,2010 4:39 pm || Up

                I’m not a huge Pynchon fan.

                But duly noted.

            • sslinger Mar 23,2010 10:14 pm || Up

              I, for one, am glad you read it.

  23. salb918 Mar 22,2010 8:49 pm
    • Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 9:00 pm || Up

      rubber linky.

      • salb918 Mar 22,2010 9:03 pm || Up

        what in great god’s name does that mean?

        • Poppy Mar 22,2010 9:23 pm || Up

          I’m not sure I want to know.

          There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
        • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 9:25 pm || Up

          Well, I’m not sure but the link isn’t working for me.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • Poppy Mar 22,2010 9:29 pm || Up

            The link worked for me, once I got up enough courage to click it.

            There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
            • Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 9:31 pm || Up

              I seriously love you.

              • Poppy Mar 22,2010 10:00 pm || Up

                I still have something that I mean to send you for your birthday. Something small and insignificant, yet apparently too large and complicated for me to actually put into an envelope to be addressed and mailed. Don’t take it personally, I do this with every birthday-related thing I ever send/give. I’m not postally punctual.

                There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
                • Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 11:28 pm || Up

                  me neither. I sent Don a Christmas card this year in late January.

                • salb918 Mar 23,2010 7:18 am || Up

                  Every year, we consider making cards or writing a Christmas letter, and then all of a sudden it’s March.

                • nevermoor Mar 23,2010 9:25 am || Up

                  I can beat that. This year we ordered 100 cards and then sent out about 20 of them (sort of late).

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • Poppy Mar 23,2010 3:54 pm || Up

                  Poppy Jr.’s high school graduation announcements and senior pics are three years overdue to be sent… although I did open the box to get one out so I could hand-deliver it to my mom. I think I also hand-delivered one to my niece in Chico. So I might be driving to Florida to give LB his teeny present, since self-adhesive stamps are still just too difficult.

                  There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
                • green star oakland Mar 23,2010 4:02 pm || Up

                  So I might be driving to Florida to give LB his teeny present

                  Don’t forget your diapers.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • monkeyball Mar 23,2010 4:03 pm || Up

                  And the dry ice.

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • salb918 Mar 23,2010 5:10 am || Up

                  And yet, whenever Ellis is denigrated, you are punctually postal.

                • Poppy Mar 23,2010 3:57 pm || Up

                  I haven’t happened to visit AN since MaEl’s hammies tightened up, so I haven’t seen anyone using the (other) “f” word on him yet this year… ;)

                  There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
                • monkeyball Mar 23,2010 7:06 am || Up

                  Jesus. Somewhere on the Peninsula, a drifter is missing his vital organs.

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • salb918 Mar 23,2010 7:19 am || Up

                  Poppy can’t say anything, it would be a HIPAA violation.

        • Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 9:32 pm || Up

          Error 403: Forbidden

          You don’t have permissions to access this page. This usually means one of the following:

          * this file and directory permissions make them unavailable from the Internet.
          * .htaccess contains instructions that prevent public access to this file or directory.

          Please check file and directory permissions and .htaccess configuration if you are able to do this. Otherwise, request your webmaster to grant you access.

          • salb918 Mar 22,2010 9:35 pm || Up

            Huh, that’s weird. It was there for me before, gone now. That was some random picture that a guy on BTF linked to, so it’s presence or non-presence is out of my hands.

            Trust me. It was funny.

            • Leopold Bloom Mar 22,2010 9:38 pm || Up

              could you draw a non-hierarchal-based picture for me?

              • nevermoor Mar 22,2010 9:43 pm || Up

                If only I could figure out how…

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • Poppy Mar 22,2010 9:42 pm || Up

              Still works for me. I’m special.

              There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
  24. salb918 Mar 23,2010 7:09 am

    Gaudin waved. It’s hard to believe that he’s only 27 years old; he’s already played for six different teams.

    Over the last three years, he has a 92 ERA+, 7.5 K/9, 4.2 BB/9. CHONE predicts much of the same for next year. There’s probably 15-20 teams that could use a guy like that.

    • monkeyball Mar 23,2010 7:31 am || Up

      He’d pitch up to his potential if he’d only stop spending time with his kids and taking in the occasional chem lecture.

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor Mar 23,2010 9:27 am || Up

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • salb918 Mar 23,2010 10:35 am || Up

        That’s scary enough to scare the Christmas out of any kid.

        • monkeyball Mar 23,2010 10:42 am || Up

          Christmas, what a Ratz-Pope

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • nevermoor Mar 23,2010 11:26 am || Up

            I just thought someone should wave back.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • dmoas Mar 23,2010 7:46 pm || Up

        Is that Popeaclaus?

        • Leopold Bloom Mar 23,2010 10:42 pm || Up

          I thought it was the Santa Emperor from Star Wars.

          • green star oakland Mar 23,2010 10:54 pm || Up

            It’s what the parents of Whoville scare their children with – Nazi Pedophile Grinch

            If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
            • Leopold Bloom Mar 24,2010 1:28 am || Up

              That should be a fucking teeshirt. Seriously.

              Nazi Pedophile Grinch.

              • Poppy Mar 24,2010 1:26 pm || Up

                Or at least a sign.

                There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
    • andeux Mar 23,2010 11:21 am || Up

      There’s probably 15-20 teams that could use a guy like that.

      TWsomeoneS every time Gaudin gets waived or traded.

      TINSTAAFK
  25. salb918 Mar 23,2010 8:10 am

    “What a charlatan this man is,” the judge said.

    I am *sorely* tempted to violate my no-sig policy for that quore.

    • nevermoor Mar 23,2010 9:28 am || Up

      Natural selection.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • Ice Cream Mar 23,2010 12:40 pm || Up

      Wait, why do you have a no-sig policy?

      Where is the good in "good-bye"?
  26. salb918 Mar 23,2010 8:46 am
  27. nevermoor Mar 23,2010 10:10 am

    Always remember that even core conservative talking points are bullshit:

    And as a final note, let me propose a new rule: No conservative who supports these legal challenges can complain about activist judges ever again.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • Poppy Mar 23,2010 4:27 pm || Up

      Comment at 10:30 or so:

      Conservatives lost the right to complain about activist judges after Bush v. Gore.

      And yet…

      There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.
      • nevermoor Mar 23,2010 4:28 pm || Up

        That’s less clear. This would be straight up “please invalidate this law because we don’t like it”

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • Poppy Mar 23,2010 4:42 pm || Up

          That’s true. But, as luck would have it, there will be an essay question about judicial review on my midterm tomorrow and I can probably schmooze some bonus points for actually paying attention to current events. So, sue away, wingnuts!

          There's a wild thing in the woolshed and it's keeping me awake at night.

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