Money talks: The Grill 012210 ← FREE KRAUT!

Money talks: The Grill 012210 128

  1. I know that he’s hinted at this before, yet never spelled it out quite so clearly … still: WTF?

    I’m not allowed to engage in public arguments with other writers

  2. How does a professional disparager honor a nondisparagement clause?
  3. Went well beyond the facts of the case to overrule two important precedents? Facile and unpersuasive? Black comedy?
  4. Politicians will still be free, of course, to have feisty debates about which party is more to blame for the budget deficit, about who loves the pledge of allegiance more, about who’s more determined to pretend that there won’t be bailouts after the next financial panic, etc.
  5. The Obama administration should threaten corporations with indefinite detention without trial if he doesn’t like their political contributions. That would presumably get the Supreme Court engaged with this civil liberties problem.

128 thoughts on “Money talks: The Grill 012210

  1. monkeyball Jan 22,2010 1:49 pm
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 22,2010 2:39 pm || Up
      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • monkeyball Jan 22,2010 2:50 pm || Up

        I get “Friends:Unavailable:Ratings:Cinematch”?

        you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
        • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 22,2010 2:58 pm || Up

          I did too, but it should show me if you go to your “friends” tab

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • monkeyball Jan 22,2010 3:02 pm || Up

            Ah, yes. There we go.

            you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • Leopold Bloom Jan 22,2010 3:02 pm || Up

            I don’t know how to put my link here.

            Plus, Netflix exhausts me. It keeps asking questions.

            • monkeyball Jan 22,2010 3:03 pm || Up

              TWHS

              I don’t know how to put my link here

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
              • sslinger Jan 22,2010 3:19 pm || Up

                TWHS: it

                exhausts me. It keeps asking questions.

                • Leopold Bloom Jan 22,2010 3:43 pm || Up

                  I could hang myself in the closet and you fuckers would come in and make dick jokes.

                • grover Jan 22,2010 3:45 pm || Up

                  Sorta figured you’d like people saying you were well hung.

                • monkeyball Jan 22,2010 5:31 pm || Up

                  TWJCS

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • sslinger Jan 22,2010 3:56 pm || Up

                  Would you make a big sign first, that said *I’m in the closet*?

                • andeux andeux Jan 22,2010 3:57 pm || Up

                  monkeyball would make an obscure reference to Act 1 of “Waiting for Godot.” Or I would.

                  TINSTAAFK
                • Ice Cream Ice Cream Jan 22,2010 5:07 pm || Up

                  TWDCS

                  Where is the good in "good-bye"?
                • Leopold Bloom Jan 22,2010 5:29 pm || Up

                  These are all endemic of why I love FK.

            • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 22,2010 4:00 pm || Up

              I just got that link from accepting MB’s.

              There’s a “FRIENDS” link at the bottom of your page and then an “invite friends” button at the top of your page after that. That’ll take you to a page with a link.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • Leopold Bloom Jan 22,2010 6:27 pm || Up

                ** makes me tired in the same way Netflix does…maybe I need a nap.

  2. monkeyball Jan 22,2010 2:28 pm

    TWSS

    I am not going to walk away just because it’s hard.

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  3. andeux andeux Jan 22,2010 2:38 pm
    TINSTAAFK
  4. nevermoor nevermoor Jan 22,2010 2:55 pm

    I guess we need a constutional amendment: “Money != speech”

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • monkeyball Jan 22,2010 3:00 pm || Up

      I think there’d actually be popular (but, obv., not institutional) support for an amendment clarifying that Constitutional rights accrue only to Natural Persons.

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 22,2010 4:01 pm || Up

        That’s messier (at least to my view) because it isn’t/shouldn’t always be true.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • monkeyball Jan 22,2010 4:14 pm || Up

          Right — due process, at least.

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • green star oakland Jan 22,2010 4:23 pm || Up

            Simply because the right isn’t constitutional wouldn’t mean that it could not exist otherwise. I think the distinction is important since the terms of definition need to reflect the fundamental difference between people and corporations.

            Incidentally, does this mean that corporations now have precedence for a constitutional right to bear arms?

            If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
            • monkeyball Jan 22,2010 4:34 pm || Up

              According to the principles in the Emancipation Proclamation, can corporations now not be bought and sold like chattel?

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • andeux andeux Jan 22,2010 3:01 pm || Up

      I would also vote for “Corporate person != Natural person”

      TINSTAAFK
  5. nevermoor nevermoor Jan 22,2010 3:24 pm

    Whee… idiot-bashing.

    As a result, some voters have grown lazy in their reasoning for admittance or exclusion. One such example is San Francisco Chronicle’s John Shea, a voting member of the Baseball Writers Association of America.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  6. mikeA Jan 22,2010 3:28 pm
    • andeux andeux Jan 22,2010 4:00 pm || Up

      …except homosexuals

      TINSTAAFK
    • monkeyball Jan 22,2010 4:17 pm || Up

      I’d say good riddance, but odds are if we purged the farm system of everyone who feels that way …

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • mk Jan 22,2010 5:09 pm || Up

        Well, he was only 19 when he wrote that. Perhaps by now he has learned to fold his provincialism into more sophisticated rhetoric.

        • monkeyball Jan 22,2010 5:32 pm || Up

          I understand that a chunky Reese Witherspoon lookalike asked Mr. Douthat to fold his provincialism into her more sophisticated rhetoric, but he declined the offer.

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • Leopold Bloom Jan 22,2010 5:50 pm || Up

            I REALLY like a chunky Reese Witherspoon (aka Alicia Silverstone), but do I have to fold my junk?

            • mk Jan 22,2010 6:10 pm || Up

              No, but you might have to dodge some drunken mastication.

  7. monkeyball Jan 22,2010 6:27 pm
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  8. monkeyball Jan 22,2010 6:31 pm
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 23,2010 11:20 am || Up

      Oh for the love of Ba’al.

      This is the type of shit that makes me feel betrayed.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  9. monkeyball Jan 22,2010 6:32 pm
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  10. the llama salb918 Jan 22,2010 8:22 pm

    Citzens United vs FEC: speech balloons.

    comments are worth a read, too.

    • mk Jan 23,2010 1:54 pm || Up

      It’s interesting to me that just looking at the balloons I can tell which side was more concerned with the Constitution and which side was more concerned with a particular view of the ideal polity.

      Pretty glib, that.

      Further, while I’m not accusing Tabarrok specifically, I’ve grown weary of those on the right who pose as ardent defenders of freedom when a corporation’s right to give money to a candidate is at stake, but are unbothered by, for example, NSA data mining.

      You’re right, though – good discussion in the comments.

      • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 23,2010 2:00 pm || Up

        Right. It’s like the “ACTIVIST JUDGES” critique mixed with wanting this ruling which is certainly activist

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  11. the llama salb918 Jan 22,2010 8:55 pm
    • mjdittmer Jan 25,2010 3:02 pm || Up

      Got a big kick out of this. When I went off the radar/stopped following politics from 2003-2008, I still watched some Daily Show, and only when I hooked up with my more-conservative fee-yan-say did I really have to start admitting that TDS was almost as liberal as Fox News is conservative. I always liked to argue that while the studio audience is obviously liberal, Stewart himself is an equal-opportunities comedian; he makes fun of the left and the right.

      But even though I have had to admit his liberal bent, I still like to think he’s too smart to be sucked into total partisanship, and I was cheered when I talked to another conservative friend of mrsdittmer’s who was less irked by Stewart/Colbert than she was by Olbermann/Meadows. Which is all to explan why I was also cheered by the above clip.

      • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 25,2010 5:39 pm || Up

        Heck, I appear to be one of the fk-dirty-hippies-in-chief and I can’t stand Olbermann/Maddow.

        You’re absolutely right about Stewart. He makes fun of whoever has a stupid on a given day and is also a liberal.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • monkeyball Jan 25,2010 5:54 pm || Up

          I’m dirtier and hippier, and I feel the same way about all 3. Well, Maddow does good combative-yet-respectful interviews, anyway.

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
          • Leopold Bloom Jan 26,2010 8:10 am || Up

            I previously did not feel that way about John Stewart. He has kind of grown tiresome to me now.

            • monkeyball Jan 26,2010 9:36 am || Up

              Colbert’s the only late-night ha-ha I watch anymore.

              you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
              • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 26,2010 9:50 am || Up

                His show is better but Stewart’s interviews are better. Especially when Dennis Leary is on.

                Although I will say “The Word” has dropped about 5 levels of awesome since the first season.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • monkeyball Jan 26,2010 9:52 am || Up

                  Colbert’s on-set interviews are useless and usually exceptionally boring, unless (and this happens less and less frequently) he’s got someone he can keep one-upping in the crazy.

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
                • Leopold Bloom Jan 26,2010 10:14 am || Up

                  But the rest of his show is AWESOME. Colbert’s fucking funny.

                • monkeyball Jan 26,2010 10:26 am || Up

                  Tru dat

                  you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  12. Leopold Bloom Jan 22,2010 9:04 pm

    have we asked Faust to join us here?

  13. Leopold Bloom Jan 22,2010 9:27 pm

    So why didn’t Steve Young do a missionary trip?

    • JediLeroy Jan 23,2010 3:26 pm || Up

      He chose to play football instead. He plans to do a couple mission with his wife in a few years.

      Missions aren’t mandatory, despite what some people might say. Sure, people often encourage their kids to go, but that’s because we know how effective they can be as character building experiences. It’s not too unlike someone encouraging their kid to go to college, from my perspective.

      az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde
  14. mk Jan 22,2010 10:16 pm

    Harold Bloom wants you to get off his lawn immediately. (for a time in college, before the booze and pills did him in, monkeyball was lead singer for Transgendered Chicano Poets of the Latter Half of 1982)

    • Leopold Bloom Jan 22,2010 10:30 pm || Up

      I love Anxiety of Influence.

    • monkeyball Jan 23,2010 12:40 am || Up

      … in college, at the School of Resentment …

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • monkeyball Jan 23,2010 12:43 am || Up

      I think the interviewer went to school with my brother (briefly … he ditched HC for culinary school).

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  15. mikeA Jan 23,2010 1:03 am

    Some of the postmodernists that I can actually stand, like Derrida,

    do have a sense of humor. But most of them are almost painfully earnest.

    by PaulThomas on Jan 23, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

    • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 23,2010 11:36 am || Up

      sounds like haiku

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  16. Leopold Bloom Jan 23,2010 12:36 pm

    I told my friend Malcolm that god hates our team after Desme left. He replied:

    Not if they take a recent lesson from the Military. They just stopped writing coded scriptural references on the rifle scopes as the guns were becoming known as Jesus Rifles. If you do the same and start putting coded references on the baseballs — there you go. Jesus Balls. You cant lose with the Balls of Jesus.

    • monkeyball Jan 23,2010 1:14 pm || Up

      You know who could really pound the Balls of Jesus? Lenny Dykstra.

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  17. nevermoor nevermoor Jan 23,2010 12:59 pm
    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  18. nevermoor nevermoor Jan 23,2010 1:00 pm

    Lets freak out moar about late night tv (I have never in my life watched a late night show all the way through, and proud of it).

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • Leopold Bloom Jan 23,2010 1:16 pm || Up

      I am in complete agreement with his assessment, especially his praise of both Letterman and Kimmel.

      • Ice Cream Ice Cream Jan 23,2010 1:51 pm || Up

        I think Goodman got it wrong re the Kimmel appearance on Leno’s show. I’ve seen it twice and I thought it was a setup the first time I saw it and during the subsequent viewing. It seemed scripted to me.

        Judge for yourself.

        Where is the good in "good-bye"?
        • Leopold Bloom Jan 23,2010 2:00 pm || Up

          I could see that. But I could see the other way, too.

          Regardless, it hasn’t hurt either of them. No bad publicity and all that.

    • mk Jan 23,2010 1:57 pm || Up

      I’m surprised people care so much about this.

      • Leopold Bloom Jan 23,2010 2:03 pm || Up

        It’s what we do as a society, really–choose some sort of public spectacle and either castigate them universally or pick sides. Either way, we’ve managed to avoid facing the real source of our despair: our inevitable mortality.

        That, or people really dislike Jay Leno.

  19. nevermoor nevermoor Jan 23,2010 1:17 pm

    Lets freak out about the political process without providing a single suggestion. And, of course, while ignoring that UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE HELPS PEOPLE IN FINANCIAL TROUBLE.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • monkeyball Jan 23,2010 1:59 pm || Up

      I finally realized who Bob Herbert looks like:

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  20. mk Jan 23,2010 4:40 pm

    I don’t know where to start with this. There is a 97 paragraph “fuck you” welling up inside me, but I’m not sure yet if it’s directed at Clay Shirky or, I don’t know, civilization.

    Executive summary: Women will never really get ahead until they learn to be lying asshole narcissists.

    And it looks to me like women in general, and the women whose educations I am responsible for in particular, are often lousy at those kinds of behaviors, even when the situation calls for it. They aren’t just bad at behaving like arrogant self-aggrandizing jerks. They are bad at behaving like self-promoting narcissists, anti-social obsessives, or pompous blowhards, even a little bit, even temporarily, even when it would be in their best interests to do so. Whatever bad things you can say about those behaviors, you can’t say they are underrepresented among people who have changed the world.

    […]

    It’s tempting to imagine that women could be forceful and self-confident without being arrogant or jerky, but that’s a false hope, because it’s other people who get to decide when they think you’re a jerk, and trying to stay under that threshold means giving those people veto power over your actions.

    […]

    Part of this sorting out of careers is sexism, but part of it is that men are just better at being arrogant, and less concerned about people thinking we’re stupid (often correctly, it should be noted) for trying things we’re not qualified for.

  21. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 23,2010 8:38 pm

    Deadspin’s weekend “Stories That Don’t Suck” feature today includes a hilarious Greil Marcus story about a Dick Cavett Show episdoe featuring Love Story author Erich Segal, book critic John Simon, Rita Moreno, and Little Richard.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Leopold Bloom Jan 23,2010 9:38 pm || Up

      The Greil Marcus story is quite good, but it doesn’t really explain where Rita Moreno was on the whole issue.

      • green star oakland Jan 23,2010 9:53 pm || Up

        You’d think she’d have been shouting “Hey, you guys!”

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  22. mk Jan 24,2010 9:20 am

    Garry Kasparov, writing about the fusion of human and machine:

    The surprise came at the conclusion of the event. The winner was revealed to be not a grandmaster with a state-of-the-art PC but a pair of amateur American chess players using three computers at the same time. Their skill at manipulating and “coaching” their computers to look very deeply into positions effectively counteracted the superior chess understanding of their grandmaster opponents and the greater computational power of other participants. Weak human + machine + better process was superior to a strong computer alone and, more remarkably, superior to a strong human + machine + inferior process.

    This raises the unsettling possibility that mikeA is actually a desktop PC.

    • monkeyball Jan 24,2010 10:38 am || Up

      So is this the result of a weak human + machine + better process, or a strong human + machine + inferior process?

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 24,2010 10:43 am || Up

        failure to launch

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  23. monkeyball Jan 24,2010 10:49 am
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 24,2010 11:04 am || Up

      I was actually just going to link that. I’m not sure which, if any, are actually good ideas but I do like his spirit.

      My blink reaction is:
      1. I like this in theory, imagine there are a lot of unintended consequences, and don’t see it having any chance of happening.

      2. Same as 1

      3. I actually really like this one, and it seems like good policy (and libertarian approved: don’t take government $$$ -> no limitations on actions)

      4. Why not, but won’t really do anything.

      5. I don’t really understand the implications, so I don’t have an opinion (but if it kills the got milk commercials I’m out)

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • mk Jan 24,2010 11:26 am || Up

        3. Given the multitude of ways corporations “receive money from the government”, this seems like a definitional and regulatory nightmare.

        The whole thing is just polemics, but that’s fine. Someone needs to say this stuff.

        • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 24,2010 11:52 am || Up

          I don’t know that that’s true. Direct funding would be a pretty easy bright line (and certainly not over-broad). If you try to get into tax breaks it would be harder, but I doubt it would be unworkable.

          You’re certainly right it’s polemics, but the question is whether there’s a good idea in there somewhere. I think 3 is it.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  24. monkeyball Jan 24,2010 10:57 am
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 24,2010 11:05 am || Up

      Where’s the beef?

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  25. nevermoor nevermoor Jan 24,2010 11:06 am

    Pipe dream, but wouldn’t it be nice. I wonder whether it would be as good for me personally as I think it would.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • monkeyball Jan 24,2010 12:10 pm || Up

      TWSS

      I wonder whether it would be as good for me personally as I think it would.

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • monkeyball Jan 24,2010 12:12 pm || Up

      Whoever named “The Delta” has at best a shaky grasp of geography.

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 24,2010 12:14 pm || Up

        I just liked that they actually did Ar-Kansas

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • monkeyball Jan 24,2010 12:18 pm || Up

          Most of the names are pretty good (although there’s clearly a Rootless Cosmopolitan bias in favor of not merely preserving the names of big cities, but in applying them to metro regions).

          you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  26. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 24,2010 11:33 am

    I’m rooting for the Jets, but fear the game will disappoint and Indy will win big, like 27-10. Just feels like it’ll be the moment when the Jets joyride comes to an abrupt end at the hands of a much better opponent.

    Not confident enough to bet it, though.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • batgirl batgirl Jan 24,2010 12:02 pm || Up

      I just can’t decied what horse to get in that race. I have no particular love for Indy, but I can’t find myself getting behind the Jets either. And I normally love an underdog. I think it’s the rookie QB thing. If it was my rookie QB I’d be thrilled to death, of course. But thinking of all the great quarterbacks in the past who toiled over the years and never got one…for Sanchez to fall ass backwards into a super bowl just because they have a good D? Doesn’t seem quite right. I think I need to let go of the bitterness and embrace the Jets. After all, they did take down the asshat Chargers, which is a big fat gold star in my book.

      OK, J.E.T.S. JETS! JETS! JETS!

      • vignette17 Jan 24,2010 3:11 pm || Up

        When in doubt, root against New York. Add to that, the better Peyton does in the playoffs, the less legs the Tom Brady does well in the playoffs and is therefore better argument has. Seems like an easy call for me. And speaking of, the Colts won. Woo!

        The NFC I have a harder time with. I like Favre (he was in There’s Something About Mary and he’s still playing!) but I think it would be really nice for New Orleans to win it all for once…

        • sslinger Jan 24,2010 3:45 pm || Up

          Grew up in MN with season tickets to the Purple People Eater era Vikes – not hard to figure who I’m pulling for today.

          • batgirl batgirl Jan 24,2010 4:00 pm || Up

            Well, OK. I really want the Saints to win, but if the Vikes do, I’ll be happy for you. I think you’re the only Vikings fan I know. Last week I bit my tongue and tried to root for the Cowboys because my UPS driver is a huge Dallas fan. That proved to be rough going and with every camera shot of Jerry Jones I felt my will slipping.

    • monkeyball Jan 24,2010 12:14 pm || Up

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • Leopold Bloom Jan 24,2010 12:30 pm || Up

        the older I get, the more I agree with you.

        First off, they play SO many commercials during regular games, then they double that amount for playoff games, then they make me listen to Phil Simms, who I’m sure follows his family around the house, narrating extremely obvious things about them. Then later I’ll get the same amount of commercials with Joe Buck (whom my contempt for is widely documented) and a brain-damaged Troy Aikman. Plus the games are so rarely any good.

        I prefer baseball.

        • Ice Cream Ice Cream Jan 24,2010 2:57 pm || Up

          You mean baseball without Joe Buck.

          Where is the good in "good-bye"?
          • monkeyball Jan 24,2010 3:32 pm || Up

            It’s axiomatic: Joe Buck spoils the inherent joy in any form of physical activity involving one or more people.

            you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
            • Leopold Bloom Jan 24,2010 7:59 pm || Up

              with the radio package, I can avoid Joe Buck almost always. The A’s never play on Saturday afternoon, anyhow, and if they do, that ass clown doesn’t call the game.

        • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 24,2010 4:35 pm || Up

          DVR

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • Leopold Bloom Jan 24,2010 8:01 pm || Up

            Yeah,except I’d just now start watching the game and it’s awfully late.

            I tried to do your trick with one of the college games this past year (Alabama/LSU, maybe?), but screwed it up to thew point where I couldn’t watch the first half. My technology skills are…underdeveloped over the last decade or so.

            • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 24,2010 9:20 pm || Up

              Worth honing them in this area. I started watching football at 2 today and finished live, which means I got 2 hours of my life back (and it could have been more if I’d delayed the start further)

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • Soaker Soaker Jan 24,2010 7:34 pm || Up

          Hmmm…a sports league where Indianapolis and New Orleans wind up in the championship game. Two markets which are so small that, not only do they not have MLB franchises, they’re not even on any of the lists for relocation of stadium-deprived franchises such as the Oakland Athletics. And yet it’s not really all that stunning that these two teams are the ones going to the Super Bowl.

          I also much prefer baseball…just wish it were run more like the NFL.

          Support locally made sausage!
          • batgirl batgirl Jan 24,2010 7:52 pm || Up

            My TV’s been out since Wednesday, so I listened to the game on the radio. It was played during a rainstorm on an incredibly muddy field, right?

            Sorry sslinger.

            • sslinger Jan 24,2010 9:49 pm || Up

              Thanks for the thoughts – but the vikes totally caved in the performance tonight. I can’t believe the turnovers they gave up. Painful (but predictable) to watch,

          • Leopold Bloom Jan 24,2010 7:58 pm || Up

            I agree with this.

            • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 24,2010 9:21 pm || Up

              It does seem that salary caps are good (though bad for my niners dynasty).

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • Soaker Soaker Jan 24,2010 11:11 pm || Up

                How much of it is salary cap, and how much is pooling of television revenue? MLB would never have every game be part of a national television contract, but if the Yankees’ revenue from YES, the Red Sox’ revenue from NESN and the A’s revenue from CSN California were all dumped into a pool and then divided equally, that would go a long way toward rectifying the imbalances which distinguish MLB from the NFL.

                In the NFL there does not seem to be much correlation between market size and franchise success. Green Bay and Indianapolis are among the highest profile NFL franchises. The flops (Detroit Lions, Oakland Raiders and for many years Arizona Cardinals) are where they are due to longstanding crappy management, not revenue issues.

                CBS was probably rooting for Indianapolis vs. Minnesota for the Manning/Favre brand names, but plug in NY Jets or New Orleans, whoever, they’ll make piles of money whichever teams are involved. Indy/NO will get huge numbers. With MLB, you need the Yankees or Red Sox in the World Series, or maybe the Cubs, not like that will ever happen. Tampa Bay vs. Philadelphia in 2008 was a ratings disaster, and just imagine if you had a World Series such as Oakland vs. Milwaukee. The Fox execs would be jumping out the windows.

                Support locally made sausage!
                • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 25,2010 8:37 am || Up

                  That’s true. It’s also more of a fundamental difference because it’s a lot easier to find fans who will show up on eight Sundays than on ten times that many days scattered throughout the week. Green Bay, for example, shuts down on Packers home games. No matter how baseball crazed they were, they just couldn’t do that for a baseball team.

                  The cap is part of it too, though, because without a cap Peyton would be getting $30M a year (instead of $15). It also means that teams just can’t have the depth that the pre-cap Niners and Cowboys had.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 25,2010 9:29 am || Up

            I agree completely…socialize baseball revenue now!

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  27. FreeSeatUpgrade FreeSeatUpgrade Jan 24,2010 3:38 pm

    “I love it…do you have it with troughs?”

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  28. monkeyball Jan 24,2010 4:12 pm

    as was mine [WARNING: Atrios link]

    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
  29. mikeA Jan 24,2010 6:55 pm
    • Ice Cream Ice Cream Jan 24,2010 7:30 pm || Up

      You win. (Preponderance of evidence.)

      Where is the good in "good-bye"?
    • monkeyball Jan 24,2010 7:39 pm || Up

      That’s why you should always try and keep the defendant from taking the stand.

      you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
      • Ice Cream Ice Cream Jan 24,2010 8:02 pm || Up

        “try and” or “try to”?

        Once upon a time, I wrote a Newcomer’s Guide brochure while serving an internship for Bay Meadows. It was submitted to various people for proofreading and editing. After some revisions, the final version went to the printer who printed I don’t remember how many thousand copies.

        My mother wanted to see one so I gave her copy on my next visit to Oakland. After less than a minute, she looked up from the brochure and said to me, “This should read ‘try to’ not ‘try and’.”

        Ugh. Too late.

        What say you, mb? Was Mom right?

        Where is the good in "good-bye"?
    • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 24,2010 9:22 pm || Up

      It’s the least bad cartoon so far though.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  30. monkeyball Jan 24,2010 9:52 pm
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • Leopold Bloom Jan 25,2010 11:27 am || Up

      then it’s probably narcissistic of me to think is hilarious, then.

  31. monkeyball Jan 24,2010 10:01 pm
    you better hope to God you don't show up in this little community, because you'll wish you had never come
    • nevermoor nevermoor Jan 24,2010 10:32 pm || Up

      Interesting and persuasive take.

      I still like Grayson’s #3.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"

Leave a Reply