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A’s Trade Kazmir for two mediocre prospects 282

23 Jul 2015  |  DFA  |FK-All

What am I missing? This seems like an entirely light return for a very good, cost effective starter without a long contract that would hurt your team.

The return

Jacob Nottingham
Daniel Mengden

Honestly the only thing that I can think of thats great about this deal is calling Nottingham the Sheriff when he cuts down basestealers. But ive been boycotting baseball this year as a result of Beane’s other dumb trades so Im not following prospects at this point. Please tell me Im wrong.

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282 thoughts on “A’s Trade Kazmir for two mediocre prospects”

  1. elcroata Jul 23,2015 12:40 pm

    Nottingham is #71 on Sickel’s list and Kiley gave him a 50 FV. He is a 20 yr old catcher who just destroyed low A and doesn’t seem to slow down any in A+. He has a very high upside.

    Because survival is insufficient
    • 5Aces Jul 23,2015 12:49 pm || Up

      If I read this right he has always been young for his leagues as well, which is good. And I mentioned this in the other thread, but it seems they have been good recently at picking catchers up, so I will assume he is even better than we think.

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • elcroata Jul 23,2015 12:58 pm || Up

        He is one of the ten youngest players in California League, and he is batting wRC+ of ~160 there while playing catcher.

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      • DFA Jul 23,2015 1:01 pm || Up

        Yeah… I mean thats my hope as well. Though highschool players drafted as catchers have a low return rate. But honestly, with the market being such a sellers market, I don’t get why he couldn’t have gotten more.

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        • 5Aces Jul 23,2015 2:18 pm || Up

          Its funny you say that. I have seen a few folks: Buster in particular, talk about how it has moved to a buyers market.

          Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
          • DFA Jul 26,2015 5:54 pm || Up

            right which is Beane fundamentally misjuding the market

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            • grover Jul 27,2015 4:54 pm || Up

              I don’t think he misjudged the market.

              He just held out hope in his team too long.

              He should have sold July 1 but he waited to see if the team would turn things around. I think he’s still getting solid value with his deals.

              • DFA Jul 28,2015 6:50 am || Up

                Holding out hope for your team when its in last place is dumb.

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  2. DFA Jul 23,2015 12:44 pm

    Who is already playing 1b and there are serious doubts about his ability to stick behind the plate.

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    • elcroata Jul 23,2015 12:54 pm || Up

      He has played first base 12 times in his career and 3 times this year, as opposed to 134 games he caught.

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      • DFA Jul 23,2015 1:04 pm || Up

        BBR has him DHing 10 and 1b 11 and Catching 55 games in 2015

        http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=nottin000jac&utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-mlb.traderumors.com

        Though I guess I could be reading wrong.

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        • elcroata Jul 23,2015 1:07 pm || Up

          12 and 134 were career numbers.

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          • DFA Jul 26,2015 5:55 pm || Up

            if you are going to talk about recency being a value in minorleague evals im not sure why you are going to dismiss recency on the defensive side.

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    • elcroata Jul 23,2015 1:11 pm || Up

      I don’t know that there are serious doubts. From Kiley today:

      A scout I spoke to today answered the “Will he be a catcher?” question with “Yes, not elite defensively, but will hit enough to make it work.” There’s still some typical A-Ball stuff to work on for him, as another scout told me today that Nottingham gets a little too high or low on himself based on offensive results, and there are some mechanical issues to work out behind the plate, but this is normal for a 20 year old.

      That seems to me like normal growing pains. He’s no Pete O’Brien

      Because survival is insufficient
      • DFA Jul 23,2015 1:22 pm || Up

        He had a history of knee problems, including knee surgery, in high school and pretty much every article written by a beat writer mentions his defense as a deficiency, hes played 28% of his games as a 20 yo not behind the dish.

        I don’t think hes Pete OBrien, but youre betting alot on a high BABIP this year, that his first two years of ok but not great production aren’t more indicative of his talent than this year is and that his defense will hold up.

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        • elcroata Jul 23,2015 1:38 pm || Up

          I’m not betting on a high BABIP. I’m betting on a player who is 1-2 years young for the level of play hitting the crap out of the ball (14 HR in 76 games among other things) while playing adequate catcher turning into a fair return for two months of a pitcher who was just a bit better than average this year.

          And yes, when evaluating teenagers and such, I put more value in recent production than the one from one or two years ago, because those players are developing.

          Also, most of the catchers in the minors do not catch in about 20% of games they play.

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          • DFA Jul 23,2015 2:39 pm || Up

            So what you are saying is that he is not catching at a higher rate than most catchers in the minors?

            Yes hes hitting the crap out of the ball this year. Im not disputing it. And its better to have not hit the ball farther away in time. But hes kinda come out of nowhere which makes me suspicious of half a season worth of data.

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      • DFA Jul 23,2015 8:45 pm || Up

        Mayo: “The big question is whether he can stay behind the plate longterm”

        http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26271672/v285964383/schwarber-on-track-for-breakout-season-with-cubs/?c_id=mlb

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        • DFA Jul 23,2015 8:48 pm || Up

          BA implies that the A’s lack of emphasis on catcher defense will help Nottingham stick behind the plate, but that that was a concern with the Astros who are a catch and throw team.

          http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/trade-central-astros-bring-kazmir-home/

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          • MikeV Jul 26,2015 7:33 pm || Up

            Um didn’t they jettison Norris partly because he’s bad defensively

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

            • DFA Jul 27,2015 3:51 pm || Up

              I think it was mostly because he was complaining and at peak value.

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              • MikeV Jul 27,2015 6:45 pm || Up

                I think it was mostly the second thing and less the first.

                And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                Thanks, and go As.

                • DFA Jul 28,2015 6:51 am || Up

                  for his reputation as a smooth operator, Beane has a tendency to deal players that mouth off.

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                • vignette17 Jul 28,2015 9:51 pm || Up

                  Well, except for Reddick.

                • DFA Jul 29,2015 7:27 am || Up

                  yet

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  3. DFA Jul 23,2015 12:45 pm

    Though I guess the A’s have a history of doing well with those kinds of prospects. But as a 1bman his hitting is impressive this year but dreadful last.

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  4. Thunderbutt Jul 23,2015 12:51 pm

    Maybe if you say “A’s trade two months of Kazmir for two mediocre prospects” you’ll feel better.

    There is always a score.
    • DFA Jul 23,2015 12:54 pm || Up

      The A’s trade two Kazmir and a draft pick and a larger draft pool for a young hitter that might be limited to 1b and a bullpen arm/backend starter thats giving up a bunch of hits this year.

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      • Thunderbutt Jul 23,2015 12:58 pm || Up

        So, no.

        There is always a score.
        • DFA Jul 23,2015 1:06 pm || Up

          The fact that it is only two months is an asset to many contending teams that don’t want to take on a Cole Hammels type deal.

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          • Glorious Mundy Jul 23,2015 1:12 pm || Up

            I would think that rationale only works with a deal that is in between Kazmir’s (two months left) and Hamels’ (three years left at big money). Then again, the A’s seemingly chose Lester over Price because of not wanting to pay him for 2015, so who the hell knows anymore.

            • DFA Jul 23,2015 1:27 pm || Up

              there are plenty of teams that are budget maxed out this year.

              The bluejays being one. We could have had Pompey or someone in the upper minors in the OF to help with the garbagecanfire that beane is trying to get to contend next year.

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    • Glorious Mundy Jul 23,2015 12:54 pm || Up

      In these situations, one has to be careful not to miss the (Nottingham) Forest for the trees.

      • Future Ed Jul 23,2015 1:04 pm || Up

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Glorious Mundy Jul 23,2015 1:06 pm || Up

        • Thunderbutt Jul 23,2015 1:29 pm || Up

          One of these days that bear is going to realize that that fox fits his prey profile.

          There is always a score.
  5. lenscrafters Jul 23,2015 2:14 pm

    This isn’t like the Moss or Donaldson trades where it was just clearly bad from the beginning. These prospects are too far away to make any real declaration on and we are only trading away 2 months of Kazmir.

    • DFA Jul 23,2015 2:42 pm || Up

      Donaldson was a franchise altering stupid deal… not a high bar. This team isn’t built to contend and its not built for the future. Maximizing resources like Kazmir is critical either way. I don’t think that this is close enough for you to not have to sell everything and im not sure this is who i want if im starting completely over.

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      • dmoas Jul 24,2015 4:45 pm || Up

        Beane should have been fired for the Donaldson trade. Just fucking dumb.

    • vignette17 Jul 24,2015 10:57 am || Up

      The Moss deal like this one has a limit to how bad it can be. Even if Moss/Kaz perform well, they’re already old/close to FA, expensive, and not franchise players.

      Donaldson, well….

      • DFA Jul 25,2015 7:28 pm || Up

        How is Kazmir expensive?

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        • vignette17 Jul 26,2015 10:37 am || Up

          Trading him saved ~6M. I doubt the A’s do anything with that money. But it saved the same amount as the Moss trade.

          • DFA Jul 26,2015 5:56 pm || Up

            Well, eating that for a better return would be insignificant anyways.

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  6. MikeV Jul 23,2015 2:20 pm

    If we had kept him and gotten a comp pick everybody would bitch about “not getting anything” for Kazmir.

    Whatever.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • 5Aces Jul 23,2015 2:30 pm || Up

      And if he blows his arm out in his next start the same.

      (please note I have no power to make the universe change. This statement cannot cause Kaz to blow his arm out..)

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • DFA Jul 23,2015 2:44 pm || Up

        I still would have given him a QO

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    • DFA Jul 23,2015 2:42 pm || Up

      I don’t think a comp pick would have been the worst thing in the world

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      • MikeV Jul 23,2015 3:04 pm || Up

        Now we have 2 guys performing well in the minors instead of a comp pick.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

      • mikeA Jul 23,2015 3:50 pm || Up

        I’m not crazy about this return but it’s way better than a comp pick.

        • DFA Jul 23,2015 5:43 pm || Up

          I would agree that its better than a comp pick. However, thats not the calculus… this is

          Value of Nottingham and Mengden < Value of (Probability of Better return * value of return + Probability of no deal (Probability that QO is offered * value of QO - Probability of No QO)

          Essentially I believe that the holding out for a better return is worth the possibility of ending up with just a compensation picks or keeping Kazmir for 14m next year.

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          • ptbnl Jul 23,2015 6:26 pm || Up

            Not quite. Considering all possible deals D (including those worse than N+M), you want to ask if

            V(N+M) < ∑ P(D)*V(D) + (1 - ∑ P(D))*P(QO)*(P(accept|QO)*V(K,QO) + P(reject|QO)*V(CP)) (where I'm omitting the no QO term since its value is zero).

            If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
            • DFA Jul 23,2015 6:40 pm || Up

              you mathy people.

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            • elcroata Jul 23,2015 9:33 pm || Up

              You might want to add a time component, too.

              Something like:

              V(N+M) – $0.5MM < ∑ P(D)*(V(D) - $0.5MM - (T(D)-T(N+M))*$11MM/Season) + (1 – ∑ P(D))*(P(QO)*(P(accept|QO)*V(K,QO) + P(reject|QO)*V(CP)-(T(SeasonEnd)-T(N+M))*$11MM/Season)

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              • Future Ed Jul 23,2015 9:39 pm || Up

                NERDS!

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • nevermoor Jul 23,2015 10:56 pm || Up

                  Not nerdy until its in the special math symbol language the nerds made me install.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • elcroata Jul 23,2015 11:23 pm || Up

                  V_{N+M} – V_{TB} < \sum P_{D}*(V_{D} - V_{TB} - \frac{T_{D} - T_{N+M}}{T_{End15} - T_{Start15}}*V_{Salary15}) + (1-\sum P_{D})*(P_{QO}*(P_{aQO}*V_{K,QO} + (1-P_{aQO})*V_{CP})- \frac{T_{End15} - T_{N+M}}{T_{End15} - T_{Start15}}*V_{Salary15})[/latex] Hmm, is latex not working? I have funny effects of it sometimes being displayed properly and sometimes not (baseically, when I click edit and save it displays properly, and after a refresh it is gone). Here is a snapshot, just in case:

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                • nevermoor Jul 24,2015 9:59 am || Up

                  Now we’re nerdy!

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • ptbnl Jul 24,2015 12:49 am || Up

                You had me at (T(D)-T(N+M)).

                If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  7. mother pucker Jul 23,2015 5:01 pm

    For what it is worth, Keith Law thinks Houston gave up a lot for only two months of Kashmir.

  8. oblique Jul 23,2015 6:37 pm

    Looks like Nottingham’s team played Kane County today so he was just able to walk over to the other clubhouse.

    • Future Ed Jul 23,2015 6:41 pm || Up

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • andeux Jul 23,2015 6:56 pm || Up

      Kane County was like two affiliates ago.

      TINSTAAFK
      • oblique Jul 23,2015 7:54 pm || Up

        Makes sense, about when I stopped paying close attention.

  9. Future Ed Jul 23,2015 8:09 pm

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  10. DFA Jul 23,2015 8:57 pm

    So now you have Barreto and Nottingham as the high upside A ball guys and likely a top 10 pick next year… who do you trade for A ball guys so that you can build a core at this point?

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    • elcroata Jul 23,2015 10:25 pm || Up

      So, Barreto has a high upside now? :)

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      • DFA Jul 24,2015 7:02 am || Up

        Yes, still not high enough or close enough this offseason to be the centerpiece of a trade for MVP talent.

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    • vignette17 Jul 24,2015 10:55 am || Up

      And Chapman given his performance.

      • DFA Jul 25,2015 7:30 pm || Up

        I hadn’t seen his performance, but you gotta be concerned about it being Cal league driven no?

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        • colin Jul 26,2015 8:26 am || Up

          I would think so, but fangraphs has him down for 147 wRC+ this year and I think that is league/park-adjusted, right?

        • vignette17 Jul 26,2015 10:39 am || Up

          Sure. He isn’t quite a top 100 prospect until he does it outside Stockton. But he’s a lock to be a good 3b, the question was the bat. And this year, the bat has shown that it has at least some promise.

          This isn’t Miles Head or Chris Carter where the bat has to be special.

          • Future Ed Jul 26,2015 10:44 am || Up

            neat

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • DFA Jul 26,2015 5:58 pm || Up

            Im just not going to believe that cal league numbers on someone that pretty much everyone said was going to have problems hitting in pro ball and then had problems hitting in pro ball and then was a college player in the cal league that hit.

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            • vignette17 Jul 26,2015 6:36 pm || Up

              I get the caution, but you can’t just ignore a 140+ wRC+. He’s not an A prospect yet. He’s a B/B+ prospect. There’s not much he could have done better this year and completely ignoring that seems cherrypicking to me.

              • DFA Jul 27,2015 3:53 pm || Up

                I don’t think you ignore it but sickles said C+/B- before the start of the year. I think hes a B spec now. If you find someone that will give you B+ value for him I would trade him in a heartbeat.

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                • vignette17 Jul 27,2015 10:13 pm || Up

                  I’m fine with that. You don’t see many prospect for prospect trades though.

                • DFA Jul 28,2015 6:51 am || Up

                  I wasn’t suggesting a prospect for prospect trade. You do see sometimes third players in deals trade specs and get specs back…. something like that.

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    • Glorious Mundy Jul 24,2015 11:07 am || Up

      You obviously trade Zobrist. I have to think there’s a good chance Reddick goes either now or in the offseason, him being a free agent after next season, and high upside A ball guys seems like a reasonable return for him. I’m not trading Gray now. Other than that, it’s hard to see anybody who would bring back meaningful prospects.

      • bear88 Jul 25,2015 7:56 pm || Up

        All this assumes something that doesn’t fit Beane’s profile: The full-scale rebuild.

        At this point, the strategy of trading guys like Reddick for high-ceiling A ball guys seems like the best plan. But Beane has never really done that before.

        • DFA Jul 25,2015 8:56 pm || Up

          Everyone knows that im the tear it down guy. Except for last offseason when I thought that we needed to go all in for this year. We didn’t. I don’t know what Beane is doing, but I really don’t like this plan.

          Also we need a top 5 draft pick and get a kid that is going to be a superstar or we are kinda fucked.

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          • bear88 Jul 25,2015 9:56 pm || Up

            I occasionally catch myself thinking, “Hey, the A’s are finally going to be bad enough to get a really high draft pick next year.”

            And then I remember that a high draft pick in baseball is basically a guarantee of nothing unless you get really lucky. Counting on one high first round pick to turn everything around seems… unrealistic.

            I would have done the same as you, by the way. I would have gone for it this year. But I’m less convinced now that this strategy would have produced a true contender. This team would have had problems either way. Shoot, I hate the Donaldson trade more on general principle (hey, we lucked into a star player in the prime of his career; don’t give him away) than on the idea that keeping him would have produced enough more wins to be a real contender this year. Graveman has been useful, even if I’m not really sold on him. I guess we’re hoping Ron Washington can teach Barreto to field.

            • DFA Jul 26,2015 8:00 am || Up

              Graveman has a 4.60 FIP… thats hardly useful. At its best, if Barreto is as good as EC thinks, then we recoup what we lost but there is essentially no potential that we surpass what we lost.

              Your odds markedly improve in the top 10 though just look at the past 10 years

              Pick 1: Carlos Correa, Cole, Harper, Strausberg, Price, Upton
              Pick 2: Kris Bryant, Byron Buxton, Ackely Gordon
              Pick 3: Rodon, Machado, Bauer, Hosmer, Longoria
              Pick 4: Schwarber, Zimmerman ( I had no idea the 4 spot has been this bad recently)
              Pick 5: Posey, Wieters, Braun, Morrow

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              • bear88 Jul 26,2015 12:13 pm || Up

                As noted, I’m not sold on Graveman, hadn’t checked the advanced numbers on him, which confirms my eye test. He’s gotten better results for a stretch, although he already is falling down to earth.

                I guess the A’s really shouldn’t want Pick 4. It’s cursed. There are some very good players on that list, but some of them are the definition of decent or up and down. And obviously, there are some players in the past 10 years that haven’t amounted to anything.

                The Donaldson trade vexes me because, even if the A’s were stuck paying $20 million a year on him in arbitration, they had control of the guy through his prime production years. Why trade him unless you’re offered something crazy-good in return? That’s not what they got, unless Barreto turns out to be an outstanding infielder. (Yes, fine. Nolin could recover from injury and help out.) Lawrie hasn’t been awful, or injured, but he’s not anything close to an adequate replacement. Instead, Beane spent a lot of money on Billy Butler, who is predictably useless.

                A 3-4-5 of Vogt, Donaldson, and Reddick sounds pretty good to me.

                • DFA Jul 26,2015 5:52 pm || Up

                  yeah the butler decision is part of the gualing nature of the Donaldson trade. Basically we used financil savings to hurt our team instead of helping it… oh great.

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  11. bear88 Jul 23,2015 9:44 pm

    This trade doesn’t seem too awful. Yeah, I would have liked to get guys closer to the majors, but I would rather get a player who might be a stud hitter.

    • Future Ed Jul 23,2015 10:33 pm || Up

      are there 30 HR guys in the system that you don’t have to squint at?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • elcroata Jul 23,2015 10:36 pm || Up

        Season or career?

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        • Future Ed Jul 23,2015 10:41 pm || Up

          I suppose that is one way to answer

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • elcroata Jul 23,2015 10:45 pm || Up

            Olson hit 40 last year, but his in-game power took a step back in AA this year.

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            • Soaker Jul 23,2015 11:05 pm || Up

              But what’s the scouting report on his outside-the-game power?

              What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  12. Glorious Mundy Jul 24,2015 11:15 am

    Guy from Sickels’ site on the two youngsters, with video. Snippets:

    Defensively, Nottingham has the athleticism to stick at the position long term. His arm is plenty good enough and the tools of there, so it is just a matter of development in that area. He’s at least two years away from the big leagues. Age is on his side, though; this is a very nice grab for the Athletics.

    Mengden’s stuff is already plenty good enough. His fastball can reach the mid-90s, but more frequently sits at 91-92. His slider is his best off-speed pitch. He also throws a developing curveball and change-up.

  13. grover Jul 24,2015 11:29 am

    Hi, DFA. How have you been?

    I spent most of yesterday run drills with my crew and then driving to Fresno to see my wife so I didn’t see this thread until now.

    In case my two cents might help… I think Beane got a solid return for Kaz. I spent some time talking trades on various sites and I felt like the best deal we could realistically expect would have been a couple A-ball players with 50 or better grades. I think there’s a very good chance Nottingham ends up a 55 by the time BA publishes their next book. Mengden has an amazing moustache and enough fastball that once he gets away from Lancaster I think he’ll show enough to earn a 50 grade.

    I wish Beane would have sold in early July, as he could have gotten a better deal then thanks to no one else Selling and Kazmir’s new team getting an extra 3-ish GS. But that’s me thinking the end was clear July 1.

    What Beane did yesterday was the best value he could have gotten selling July 23. I’ve read enough on Nottingham to think he’s got a good chance to stick at Catcher with enough bat to play elsewhere if catching doesn’t work out. Mengden probably profiles as a #4 SP but maybe the A’s coaching staff can tweak out a #3 ceiling.

    • Future Ed Jul 24,2015 1:28 pm || Up

      i think there were 2 health scares early in the month.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • grover Jul 24,2015 2:03 pm || Up

        With Kazmir?

        One right before the All-Star break. What other scare?

        • Future Ed Jul 24,2015 2:31 pm || Up

          I thought there was another one. before the ame he came out of

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • FreeSeatUpgrade Jul 24,2015 2:33 pm || Up

            That is also what i recall, vaguely.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • 5Aces Jul 24,2015 3:30 pm || Up

      How is it that no one asks the important questions?

      We is your wife in the ‘No?

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • grover Jul 24,2015 5:06 pm || Up

        Midpoint between home and where I’m working for the next 10 weeks.

        I’m down near SLO and there’s only so much driving a preggers woman will do!

        • Soaker Jul 24,2015 5:23 pm || Up

          You’re missing the action at Kyburz, right outside your back door. Los Padres can definitely get some action in the summer though. Seems like the Ventana Wilderness blows up every few years.

          What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
          • grover Jul 24,2015 7:08 pm || Up

            I was on the Kyburz Fire in 2013. My forest needs to get more creative with names.

            My station got an inch of rain about 5 days ago. Lots of lightning as well but nothing came of it. Plenty of summer remaining and I’m in a spot that gets called in a lot of different directions.

          • FreeSeatUpgrade Jul 24,2015 7:46 pm || Up

            I hope they save the awesome roadside sign there that says “Welcome to Kyburz. Now leaving Kyburz.”

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
            • James V. Jul 25,2015 7:37 am || Up

              A classic. Yes, I took this while driving.

            • grover Jul 25,2015 11:21 am || Up

              I’ll check with my crew and let you know.

        • 5Aces Jul 24,2015 5:33 pm || Up

          Yeah, that is the right mid-point to choose, especially for a woman in condition. Short of saying “let’s meet at the state trees on the 99…”

          Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
          • grover Jul 24,2015 7:10 pm || Up

            A day or two in Fresno never hurt anyone.

            Much.

            Got a nice room at an extended stay hotel, so a full size fridge in the kitchenette to hold our left-overs.

            • DFA Jul 26,2015 5:54 pm || Up

              ive spent two days in Fresno… it definitely hurt.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • DFA Jul 25,2015 8:54 pm || Up

      Well a couple of things.

      One he could have consolidated to get a higher ranked guy. Two Im not sure what the hell he thinks hes doing next year. We have an ace and a bunch of mid/back of the rotations guys in terms of pitching talent and no hitting talent beyond our catching (which while we have a lot of control is probably worth more to us than someone else) a guy in RF for one more year who in addition to me hating him is a constant injury/suckage risk, even though hes got the highest nongray ceiling at this point and you pray that burns isn’t a mirage and that Simien can either turn into a better hitter or a adequate 2bman.

      I think Mengden as a #3 ceiling is overly optimisitc since much of what ive read basically says 4 or 5 guy.

      As for me im still unemployed, but have had better luck in getting interviews recently and should hear back on something that i think I got a good shot with in two weeks. Cooking alot and boycotting the A’s. I literally haven’t watched a game of this dumpster fire… so I got that going for me.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • grover Jul 25,2015 9:32 pm || Up

        Consolidation for a higher ranked guy would have required Beane to make a deal with himself, or at least his doppelganger. At least with Kazmir. Detroit’s will they/won’t they with Price is probably keeping teams from being willing to part with their best prospects in the hope that if the Tigers do sell they can pay for a true #1. And if Detroit holds, than those teams get to keep their top prospects. Really, a Win-Win.

        There might be a snowballs chance in Hell he could pull that off with Zobrist.

        Good luck with the call back. Take care.

        • DFA Jul 26,2015 5:53 pm || Up

          Right but that is also why Beane should have been dealing early before the glut broke.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • vignette17 Jul 26,2015 6:39 pm || Up

            Beane was the first major deal. For all we know there was no glut.

            • DFA Jul 27,2015 3:55 pm || Up

              What we do know: It was reported for the first 3 weeks of july that there was a sellers market and that people were sniffing around a bunch of different arms. Now we know that the Tigers are falling out of it, putting price on the market and there are a lot less teams in contention than there were three weeks ago.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • mikeA Jul 27,2015 6:38 pm || Up

                I think it’s unlikely in general that selling early gets you a better deal, more likely the other way around. A common dynamic in most types of negotiations is that if there is a deadline, both sides tend to withhold their best offers until the deadline is approaching, which is why almost all of the big in-season trades happen in the few days before the deadline. Especially on the selling side of it in baseball, you are losing leverage by being willing to sell early.

                • DFA Jul 28,2015 6:54 am || Up

                  Yeah. I think you can create that by saying hey we are dealing Kazmir Zorbist and Clippard by the end of the allstar break to the highest bidder… we also know that they will help your team more than trying to acquire them a month latter.

                  If you have the reputation as someone who doesn’t dick around, I think you do the exact same thing as the 31st.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • grover Jul 27,2015 5:00 pm || Up

              What has been said is that the A’s put teams on hols in early July, obviously hoping to see if things were going to turn around.

              What is certain is that there were teams looking to Buy July 1st and if you believe AA in Toronto… even earlier.

      • harensheir15 Aug 10,2015 1:57 pm || Up

        Don’t know if you’re still looking or might be interested. I’ll leave this here in case you are.

        • DFA Aug 11,2015 12:15 pm || Up

          Thanks… but unfortunately I don’t have a Masters… but I am looking in that realm :)

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • grover Aug 11,2015 1:06 pm || Up

            How are the interviews going?

            And if you’re interested in a distraction I can email you a hare-brained trade idea I’ve been playing with.

            • DFA Aug 19,2015 10:58 am || Up

              sorry i just saw this late… you can always email me. Interviews are going so slowly… its as if no one wants to take less than 2 months to hire someone

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 19,2015 10:38 pm || Up

                The public sector, at least, takes more time to hire someone than seems even remotely possible. I have found this to be true across many jurisdictions, and totally regardless of how much they might want you. Often agencies are specifically prohibited, in fact, from telling a candidate they want to just hang in there and be patient. It’s crazy. Six months from interview to offer letter is very common…again, even if you’re their top choice.

                "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • DFA Aug 24,2015 10:07 pm || Up

                  I hope so… because holy shit I don’t understand how it can take this long.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • grover Aug 20,2015 3:16 pm || Up

                Yeesh.

                Email sent. Let me know what you think.

                • MikeV Aug 20,2015 3:48 pm || Up

                  (now call him)

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

  14. Glorious Mundy Jul 24,2015 1:33 pm

    Man, the local media hot takes about the A’s every time they make a trade seem even worse than usual right now. The comparisons to the Giants (made worse by the timing of this deal) are driving me up the FKing wall. Or maybe I’ve just finally reached the breaking point with all of this garbage.

    • James V. Jul 25,2015 7:38 am || Up

      Once you’ve seen one Cohn/Jenkins/Lieberman opinion piece, you’ve seen them all.

      • Future Ed Jul 25,2015 12:24 pm || Up

        i think jenkins should spend more time on that column. he is a writer, for my entertainment, sure he likely has a family, but as a fan, I deserve more pop in my media. No going to dinner with the spouse, not hockey games for the kids, sit in you hole and write me a better column, monkey.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  15. James V. Jul 27,2015 3:19 pm

    Clippard + cash for this guy, from the Mets.

    • Glorious Mundy Jul 27,2015 3:24 pm || Up

      Sounds like a pretty nice return for two months of a not-that-great reliever.

      • James V. Jul 27,2015 3:26 pm || Up

        Also, here’s the mention last December by Sickels. Might improve after his season so far. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/12/16/7402313/new-york-mets-top-20-prospects-for-2015

        20) Casey Meisner, RHP, Grade C+: Age 19, posted 3.75 ERA with 67/18 K/BB in 62 innings in New York-Penn League. Doesn’t throw that hard yet but shows unusual control for a tall pitcher (6-7) and projects more velocity. Could advance quickly in Low-A.

        • Glorious Mundy Jul 27,2015 3:38 pm || Up

          Kiley McD is less enthusiastic.

          • Future Ed Jul 27,2015 5:54 pm || Up

            I don’t know anything about development, but I always thought the A’s had a good change development program.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • andeux Jul 27,2015 3:34 pm || Up

        Not-that-great except maybe in comparison to the rest of Team Dynamite.

        TINSTAAFK
      • DFA Jul 27,2015 3:57 pm || Up

        I mean its not like we gave up much of value. Hard to get a big return for a non elite reliever.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • colin Jul 28,2015 8:52 am || Up

        KLaw likes the trade for Oakland: insider link, but you can get the point from the headline.

    • grover Jul 27,2015 5:02 pm || Up

      He’s a project.

      And there’s a whole lot of him to project. A nice pick-up.

  16. Glorious Mundy Jul 27,2015 3:34 pm

    Buckle up, y’all:

    Eric O Flaherty or Edward Mujica likely will close for the A’s unless they’re also traded this week. Drew Pomeranz is a potential option if he remains in the bullpen. /blockquote>

    • Glorious Mundy Jul 27,2015 4:20 pm || Up

      EO’F as closer would be a very good way of locking in a high draft pick.

  17. James V. Jul 27,2015 3:40 pm

    I think he’s high on Meisner.

    • Glorious Mundy Jul 27,2015 3:54 pm || Up

      Who isn’t?

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    • colin Jul 28,2015 8:53 am || Up

      Read the thread, colin.

  18. vignette17 Jul 27,2015 10:15 pm

    I always really wanted a Tulo-JD left side of the infield…

    • grover Jul 27,2015 11:45 pm || Up

      Switching to the Blue Jays, huh?

    • Glorious Mundy Jul 28,2015 11:01 am || Up

      I always wanted LaTroy Hawkins. Everybody else has had him, so why not us?

  19. Glorious Mundy Jul 28,2015 11:02 am

    Prepare the hot take machines:

  20. Future Ed Jul 28,2015 11:12 am

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • colin Jul 28,2015 11:16 am || Up

      #teamdynamite

      • Glorious Mundy Jul 28,2015 11:19 am || Up

        Team dynamite is our friend now. Can’t do a full rebuild without some demolition first.

        • Future Ed Jul 28,2015 11:26 am || Up

          #teamlaguardia

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • nevermoor Jul 28,2015 11:30 am || Up

            We aren’t THAT bad. And we don’t have $4B.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jul 28,2015 12:35 pm || Up

        #teambastardjonsnow

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • doctorK Jul 28,2015 11:54 am || Up

      You know nothing, Jon Snow.

      Still the best taunt of the 2015 season.

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Jul 28,2015 12:36 pm || Up

        Read the thread, FSU.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Englishmajor Jul 28,2015 1:19 pm || Up

        It really was.

  21. elcroata Jul 28,2015 11:32 am

    Because survival is insufficient
    • James V. Jul 28,2015 11:36 am || Up

      Two pitchers coming back to the A’s according to Passan.

    • MikeV Jul 28,2015 11:36 am || Up

      We’re just never going to hit the ball then?

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • Future Ed Jul 28,2015 11:45 am || Up

        billy burns is ok with that

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • colin Jul 28,2015 11:58 am || Up

        Cross your fingers that Chapman, Olson, Nunez all pan out.

        • nevermoor Jul 28,2015 12:03 pm || Up

          Let’s write an article on how LOADED the 2018 A’s are going to be! And then ban anyone who points out that some prospects sometimes fail.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • Future Ed Jul 28,2015 12:07 pm || Up

          i’m confused? they are all locks.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Glorious Mundy Jul 28,2015 12:09 pm || Up

          That’s just a list of inmates on Orange is the New Black, isn’t it.

          • AV Jul 28,2015 12:11 pm || Up

            “best thing on TV.”

            there, i said it.

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
            • Glorious Mundy Jul 28,2015 12:16 pm || Up

              I’ve been disappointed in this season. Some great, great moments that keep me coming back (Black Cindy and the guards, mostly), but there has been some really uneven writing, boring plot lines, and hacky directing.

              Still got the finale to go, however.

              • Future Ed Jul 28,2015 12:18 pm || Up

                only on episode 3. not a huge fan so far, but will stick with it

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • bear88 Jul 29,2015 11:40 pm || Up

                  You can’t recap shows on Netflix. I got sick after a vacation and plowed through Season 3 pretty quickly. But I’m not going to recap the darned thing, not that anyone was asking.

                  It’s just a weird dynamic with these “all at once” show dumps. No time to breathe, and if you do (as I usually do), everyone else is way ahead because they’re crazy.

                • Glorious Mundy Jul 30,2015 1:59 pm || Up

                  If, hypothetically, you decided to recap it, I would be in for much commenting and discussing. It pains me that I either don’t watch (Justified, Breaking Bad) or am nowhere near caught up on (Mad Men) the shows you expertly recap.

                • Bed Jul 30,2015 2:23 pm || Up

                  I haven’t tried Orange is the New Black yet…we watched Bloodline on Netflix. I thought it was tedious but my wife liked it.

                  But seriously, folks...
                • AV Jul 30,2015 2:52 pm || Up

                  we’re watching bloodline now. it does move slowly. but i don’t mind that.

                  my concern is that it’s one of those shows the characters switch allegiances all the time. or like that guy in true blood or the black donnellys who’s dumb, and no matter how many people tell him not to do XYZ, and how much he promises not to do XYZ, as soon as he can, he does X and Y, then realiezs his mistake and tries to fix it by doing Z. but we’ve barely just begun, so it may only seem that way with danny right now.

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • Bed Jul 30,2015 2:56 pm || Up

                  I hope you guys dig it. Like I said my wife really liked it but it just didn’t do much for me. The acting is really strong across the board and I’d watch Coach Taylor read the phone book, he’s a great actor.

                  But seriously, folks...
              • AV Jul 28,2015 12:19 pm || Up

                yeah, this season got bit by the overtly didactic bug a little, but still.

                sorry for interruption. carry on with your trade talk!

                *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • Glorious Mundy Jul 28,2015 4:35 pm || Up

                  Chapman and Vause to Downton Abbey for Lady Edith and a servant to be named later. Who says no?

              • Glorious Mundy Aug 1,2015 6:22 pm || Up

                OK, the OITNB finale is very good.

                • nevermoor Aug 2,2015 10:30 am || Up

                  Yeah. Great setup for S4

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • MikeV Jul 28,2015 3:38 pm || Up

              I have totally been digging Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

              yes, I’m a weenie.

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

              • colin Jul 28,2015 8:24 pm || Up

                I caught up on the whole series a month or two ago, which is saying something because I hardly watch any tv except the stuff that my wife likes (and she doesn’t like superheroes).

                • MikeV Jul 28,2015 8:47 pm || Up

                  It’s so fun!

                  Gotham, too. I’m a batman nerd though so duh.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • colin Jul 29,2015 6:52 am || Up

                  I tried the first episode of Gotham and was turned off.

        • vignette17 Jul 28,2015 9:54 pm || Up

          We just assuming Barreto does?

    • MikeV Jul 28,2015 11:40 am || Up

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • James V. Jul 28,2015 11:42 am || Up
        • elcroata Jul 28,2015 11:45 am || Up

          Nice. Fits the strategy so far, high upside, this time with injury red flags. Any word on the second one?

          Because survival is insufficient
      • James V. Jul 28,2015 11:44 am || Up

        Sickels had Manaea ranked very high on his latest list:

        http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/11/18/7204121/kansas-city-royals-top-20-prospects-for-2015

        2) Sean Manaea, LHP, Grade B+: The strong finish at Wilmington seems like a good sign and there’s no question about the stuff. Like Finnegan, he can be a three-pitch lefty with power stuff, although his command isn’t as refined as Finnegan’s. He was also a steal in the draft. Age 22.

        • mother pucker Jul 28,2015 5:11 pm || Up

          Re: power stuff, Law said he some him last week, and further further, that he topped at 91.

          • bear88 Jul 29,2015 11:44 pm || Up

            Great, so he’s an injury-prone mystery with meh velocity.

            I need to be hopeful about something, dammit.

      • James V. Jul 28,2015 11:49 am || Up

  22. MikeV Jul 28,2015 11:47 am

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

  23. DFA Jul 28,2015 11:59 am

    Like the return for zobrist

    In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  24. mikeA Jul 28,2015 12:11 pm

    I like this one, seems like Manaea is preferabletRobertson.

    • Soaker Jul 28,2015 1:14 pm || Up

      We now have our own Throwin’ Samoan. How the heck did his family wind up in Indiana?

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • DFA Jul 28,2015 1:38 pm || Up

      I don’t see that at all. Robertson is young hitting AA pitching very well and doesn’t have severe health problems

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
      • mikeA Jul 28,2015 2:55 pm || Up

        “Very well” and “severe” are both overstatements. On further thought though, I might disagree with my earlier comment. I think of Robertson as low ceiling, but his ceiling is actually pretty good.

        • DFA Jul 28,2015 9:15 pm || Up

          Robertson is -3.1 years compared to average age. Hes got a 122 wRC+ while playing short stop. Seems pretty damn good to me.

          You don’t think a labrum tear that requires surgery to be “severe”? Does the fact that he has had oblique groin and shoulder issues as well make you feel like cumulatively he isn’t a severe health risk considering this is all happening while he has been throwing limited innings?

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • MikeV Jul 28,2015 9:50 pm || Up

            He was still worth signing to almost double slot for KC, and your last link says that the hip problem won’t affect him long term and the shoulder had no structural damage

            And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

            Thanks, and go As.

          • elcroata Jul 28,2015 10:29 pm || Up

            Yup. Roberston was indeed doing very well before the injury.

            Because survival is insufficient
  25. Glorious Mundy Jul 28,2015 2:11 pm

    *anxiously awaits O’Flaherty trade*

    • Soaker Jul 28,2015 2:40 pm || Up

      The A’s have been sending salary assistance money with some of these deals, and Billy does need to refill that Pepsi machine.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • grover Jul 28,2015 4:52 pm || Up

      If that happens color me impressed!

  26. vignette17 Jul 28,2015 9:57 pm

    I actually sort of like Aaron Brooks. Exactly the type of low-key SP pick up Beane thrives with. If only that wasn’t half of the Donaldson return.

  27. DFA Jul 30,2015 7:29 am

    So to tell us something that we already know Beane got punked in the Brandon Moss trade

    CLE just got a top 100 spec in return for Moss half a season after we gave him away for flotsam

    In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • James V. Jul 30,2015 8:25 am || Up

      Part of this is the Cardinals being desperate after the Holliday injury. They overpaid, especially with how little Moss did for Cleveland, but that’s good timing for the Indians. Beane traded Moss after he was coming off an injury and, yes, probably could have and should have got more for him.

      • DFA Jul 30,2015 8:35 am || Up

        And yet Billy Beane decided instead of keeping a guy who is .8 WAR @ $6.5m instead we should go out and spend $30 for -.5 WAR. He should have just kept him if all that we were getting was Wendle.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
        • Future Ed Jul 30,2015 9:54 am || Up

          right, just dumb overall

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • dmoas Jul 30,2015 10:33 am || Up

          He’s been heavily in decline for awhile now. We need new blood running this team.

          • Glorious Mundy Jul 30,2015 10:38 am || Up

            Come back, Farhan.

            • Future Ed Aug 3,2015 7:04 am || Up

              farhan picked up Jim Johnson. this year

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • Englishmajor Aug 3,2015 11:42 am || Up

                And Johnson rewarded him thusly (although the Dodgers were able to come back)

        • vignette17 Jul 30,2015 11:51 am || Up

          The guy I wanted, Jose Ramirez, has been terrible as well.

          • DFA Jul 30,2015 2:31 pm || Up

            yeah but hes young and can play SS which wendle isn’t. I think hes a good buy low target now.

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • vignette17 Jul 31,2015 11:28 am || Up

              I’d love him as a target for next year. But I’m not sure the Indians and A’s line up for a trade. Maybe for a young pitcher? Pomeranz for Ramirez is a dream I would think. Graveman or Bassitt for Ramirez?

              • DFA Jul 31,2015 11:39 am || Up

                Yeah… perhaps if they trade someone out of their MLB rotation?

                In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • grover Jul 31,2015 9:19 pm || Up

                Ramirez + Bourn for a C/C+ prospect

                Eat the $14 million guaranteed on Bourn’s contract, maybe get a dead-cat bounce in his walk year, have Jose Ramirez at SS.

                I ran the idea by Letsgotribe with Overton as the C+; they were quite taken with the idea.

                It’s a lot of money but only for one year. 2016 vesting option based on PA’s but platooning protects Oakland from that kicking in unless he somehow returns to previous form.

                • MikeV Jul 31,2015 11:12 pm || Up

                  C/C+ prospect

                  we have tons of those cause that’s all billy gets when he trades premier free agents in walk years, amirite lowell cohn?!?!

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • DFA Aug 1,2015 9:20 am || Up

                  Im uninnterested in moving Overton. Hes still got a higher upside than I care for for eating $14m

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • grover Aug 1,2015 12:24 pm || Up

                  I needed a name and it was before he sat 90/91 during his last start.

                  He keeps that up he won’t be a C+ guy come the off-season!

                • DFA Aug 1,2015 1:03 pm || Up

                  Ive been high on Overton for a long time.

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • grover Aug 1,2015 2:26 pm || Up

                  His velocity varied… as could be expected while recovering from TJS.

                  He’s a #5 if he’s throwing 87/88. And I’d deal a #5 in a heartbeat for a starting SS.

                • DFA Aug 1,2015 9:04 pm || Up

                  yeah hes a 5 that could be a #2

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • nevermoor Aug 2,2015 10:31 am || Up

                  What’s his window?

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • DFA Aug 2,2015 9:46 pm || Up

                  Its moving

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • nevermoor Aug 2,2015 11:23 pm || Up

                  Left, I hope…

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • vignette17 Aug 2,2015 10:32 pm || Up

                  I would do it. And like DFA, I’m an Overton fan.

                • Soaker Aug 7,2015 4:45 pm || Up

                  Bourn to Atlanta in a waiver deal. Some sort of mutual contract dump I guess. Bourn seems like somebody who will change teams a lot before his contract expires, so who knows, he may yet don the Green and Gold for one reason or another.

                  As for Swish:

                  What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • Future Ed Jul 30,2015 9:52 am || Up

      makes me so mad. i am going tonight to see him

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • doctorK Jul 30,2015 9:55 am || Up

        You’re in St Louis?

        • Future Ed Jul 30,2015 11:35 am || Up

          not going to see him.

          dammit.

          that’s what I meant

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • vignette17 Jul 30,2015 11:54 am || Up

      I’m amazed Moss fetched that much. Moss was never a premier player, and he always seemed to be a guy who would decline early. Maybe STL hates Kaminsky.

      • doctorK Jul 30,2015 1:25 pm || Up

        The must not like Dan Johnson, either. He and his Volvo just got DFA’d.

        • Englishmajor Jul 30,2015 1:55 pm || Up

          Oh please do this Billy. We need comic relief.

          • DFA Jul 30,2015 2:31 pm || Up

            Hes probably better than Billy Butler

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  28. Bed Jul 30,2015 2:54 pm

    I find it interesting that the Blue Jays are landing big fish all over the place and The Evils have countered by adding Dustin Ackley. Does the Yankees farm system suck?

    But seriously, folks...
  29. DFA Jul 30,2015 3:22 pm

    Is it just me or does the MIA ATL LAD trade show that the KAZ return was light?

    In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
    • grover Jul 30,2015 7:42 pm || Up

      You.

      Honestly, what it really shows is that Miami is a horribly run franchise. They gave away Latos to get out from under Morse’ contract.

      • elcroata Jul 30,2015 9:42 pm || Up

        Atlanta’s side is interesting. After essentially buying Touki for $10MM, now it can be said that they sold Wood and Peraza for some $28MM.

        Because survival is insufficient
        • DFA Jul 31,2015 8:54 am || Up

          I don’t think thats a fair way of looking at it.

          They got Paco Rodriguez who is a elite albeit hurt reliever and a competitive balance pick.

          Pereza is having a bad year. Olivera looks like a significant upgrade, Olivera will take Peraza’s place at 2b for the next 5 years. Wood for Paco Rodriguez a competitive balance pick and the difference between Olivera and Peraza seems like a reasonable price. I think this is a win win deal for both.

          In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
          • elcroata Jul 31,2015 11:31 am || Up

            They could have had Olivera and kept Peraza and Wood for ~ $38MM more. Relievers involved are somewhat of a wash. Depending on what study you want to use, #40 pick is worth between $5MM and $12MM.

            It’s a rough number, hence “some”. You might see it as a bit higher or as a bit lower, neither of which I would really object to. How Peraza and Olivera are doing is irrelevant to the statement I made and I never said it was or was not a reasonable price.

            Because survival is insufficient
            • DFA Jul 31,2015 11:41 am || Up

              Well if you factor in the cost of building a time machine so they could return to the point in time when they could have paid the money straight, then its far more than $38 million.

              In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
              • elcroata Jul 31,2015 12:58 pm || Up

                Whatever

                Because survival is insufficient
                • DFA Jul 31,2015 2:40 pm || Up

                  One… it was funny.

                  Two… ignoring time and information gained by seeing him play in stateside games, even a limited number of them isn’t fair

                  In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
                • elcroata Aug 1,2015 1:54 am || Up

                  It’s fine. I was not trying to disrespect your ability to make funny jokes or pointed logical arguments, I was rather indicating that I have exhausted any remaining emotional attachment to the passing comment I made and reached the point where I am ready to start coping with the fact that I was not being fair.

                  Because survival is insufficient
      • DFA Jul 31,2015 8:39 am || Up

        Right. $14m plus three C/C+ specs. Essentially that values Nottingham @ $14m plus 2 C/C+ specs.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  30. MikeV Jul 31,2015 1:01 pm

    Cespedes -> Mets

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • elcroata Jul 31,2015 1:08 pm || Up

      Yes, but Felix Dubrount -> A’s!

      Because survival is insufficient
      • andeux Jul 31,2015 1:10 pm || Up

        Doubront is pretty bad, which means I only prefer him to about 6 of the guys in our bullpen.

        TINSTAAFK
      • MikeV Jul 31,2015 1:12 pm || Up

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

  31. MikeV Jul 31,2015 1:13 pm

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • elcroata Jul 31,2015 1:15 pm || Up

      Wait, Ryan Cook was playing for the A’s?

      Because survival is insufficient
      • dmoas Jul 31,2015 1:17 pm || Up

        Wait, someone actually WANTED Ryan Cook?

      • ptbnl Jul 31,2015 1:40 pm || Up

        Wait, I was playing for the Sox?

        If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • andeux Jul 31,2015 2:25 pm || Up

        Athletics trade RHP Ryan Cook to the Boston Red Sox for a player to be named later or cash or like if you just buy us a beer next time we see each other we’ll call it even

        TINSTAAFK
        • vignette17 Jul 31,2015 2:41 pm || Up

          Speculation is it could be for Daniel Nava.

          • ptbnl Jul 31,2015 2:42 pm || Up

            And Sam Adams.

            If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
          • DFA Jul 31,2015 2:46 pm || Up

            would we want nava?

            In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
            • nevermoor Jul 31,2015 2:57 pm || Up

              More than Cook?

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • Future Ed Jul 31,2015 3:06 pm || Up

                you know there is nothing

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Jul 31,2015 4:35 pm || Up

                  So Daniel Nada, amiright?

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
            • 5Aces Aug 1,2015 12:19 am || Up

              I was confusing name and decided this was actually Daniel Bard. I know Cook has control issues but damn…

              Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  32. Englishmajor Aug 1,2015 1:58 pm

    Danny Valencia may be available on waivers from Toronto…..I think we could work something up with this in right field:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=r2BPoX57Fo4%3Frel%3D0” frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen>

    • nevermoor Aug 2,2015 10:32 am || Up

      He’s been sneaky-productive this year.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • Future Ed Aug 2,2015 11:11 am || Up

        I am pretty happy with smolinski

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  33. Future Ed Aug 1,2015 4:15 pm

    Eof dfa

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • ptbnl Aug 1,2015 4:23 pm || Up

      dfa otm

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • DFA Aug 1,2015 9:05 pm || Up

        there is only one of me.

        In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor

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