The biggest series of the season…until the next series.
A’s: Coco, Gentry, Donaldson, Gomes, Norris (DH), Callaspo, Moss, Soto, Parrino
slegnA: Kalhoun, Trout, Pujols, Hamilton, Kendrick, Aybar, Freese (DH), Iannetta, Beckham
Gray vs Douchenozzle
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LET’S GO OAKLAND!
I don’t like your attitude.
*kiss*
my ass?
Don’t mind if I doooooo!
Better pack a lunch.
Clap clap, clap clap clap.
*kiss*
Now’s the time.
Let’s go Oakland.
I like the Sat-Sun rotation switch a lot, keep Samardzija on regular turn and give Kazmir two extra days rest.
Whaaaa? Empty seats in LAAA for big game?
At least until the 3rd or 4th inning.
BOOBIES
I recently learned about the meteorological phenomenom of the Haboob. More than one surely must be Haboobies.
Auspicious.
“IT WIL PAY OFF IN THE LONG RUN”
Wil Wheaton is an A’s fan?
No matter what happens, I’m still going to hate CJ Wilson.
This also applies if you refer to that whole damn team.
Good Sonny first inning please…
Shoulda asked for a good second too
Vince had a nice “A’s have been unable to step on the clutch” moment in the open. he sort of stumbled over it like he had realized a while ago it made no sense, and couldn’t stop the words from leaving his mouth.
I don’t think I’ve heard “step on the clutch” in a while.
They’ve been riding that fucking clutch all month.
no no no no. stepping on it means you are doing better, you are thinking of “reality” when stepping on the clutch neutralizes the engine.
It’s a half past four and I’m shiftin gears.
But… but… I’m Mike Trout!
But…but…I’m Albert Pujols!
But… but… we’re the Angels!
The Angels are like an entire team of guys with old-timey moustaches and monocles sputtering, “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?”
His K% is 20th in all of baseball (qualified hitters). He still rules at hitting though.
vince thinks trout exoects to get that call because he is mike trout. I think trout expects to get that call because its a ball
Toss someone, Blue. Don’t take that shit off them.
Preferably Trout. I don’t care if it’s Pujols arguing. it’s probably Trout’s fault.
Honestly, I wouldn’t mind not having to look at Scioscia for the rest of the night.
what the hell is pujols doing?
Yeah, Trout shouldn’t let Pujols argue with the first base ump. Toss him already.
Sorry, but those are rule book strikes.
We’re like 20 minutes in and the Angels already have on their hissy pants.
i love it
The brooks baseball chart should be interesting.
CJ’s going right at the zone, hitters would do well to be ready to hit the first pitch if it’s the one.
Unless you’re Callaspo and you suck, I meant.
One pitch lazy pop fly. Good job Callaspo!
Needs more lawyerball
Kendrick and Calhoun scare me more than Pujols and Hamilton.
i expect trout to beat us. It kills me when beckham, kendrick and calhoun do it
Outs, please.
Both ends of that were on Gomes (Hamilton singling then scoring on a poor throw)
“It’s a good one, but just a little bit late.” Uh, no.
heh
Wasn’t really a good throw, Glen.
“Here comes the throw, it’s a good one but late!”
I guess Glen thinks a throw 3 feet to the right of the plate is a good one.
Also, this inning is starting to suck.
Yay for fielding your position.
nice
Oh come the fk on.
0-fucking-2.
And a curveball out of the zone…
Mmhmm. Not the pitch selection to blame that time.
son of a bitch
dammit
Two bloops, a groundball and one line drive. Fuck.
lucky
very
Such a lucky placement on the Beckham bloop. Might’ve been caught if the second baseman was playing the regular position.
(callaspo)
This is going to be one of those shitty games where we let a shitty pitcher beat us, isn’t it. Offense, time to fucking show up.
The huge zone is not as funny anymore.
Sam Fuld looks a fair bit like Joaquin Phoenix.
He’s still here.
Something for the wiki page.
Is anyone else listening via At Bat and having issues?
When does At Bat not have issues?
I miss Cespedes’ arm in LF in Anaheim. :(
I won’t miss him tomorrow
I’m uncertain about the wisdom of using a catcher with whom the pitchers are unfamiliar for a game of this magnitude.
he seems better at catching than Norris and Vogt, but I may be totally wrong.
“He’s got the guts out there of a burglar.”–Vince Cowhatthefuckeo
Hey, out there on a ballfield carrying a sack full of burglar guts, I for one will be intimidated.
What about Hamburglar guts? More or less terrifying?
There are no Hamburglar guts, McDonalds uses those to make McRibs.
Mmmm.
That actually explains a lot.
Why does McDonald city have Dr? They have a mayor, a cop, a pilot, even a criminal element but no medical professionals.
And it’s probably a city that needs medical professionals more than any other.
Bad Sonny! Bad!!!
Aybar annoys me a lot
Well at least we’ll get to see a lot of the bullpen tonight.
Phew!
Now Sonny just needs to have like a negative-10-pitch inning.
6 runz A’s mojo!
good start!
Nice job, Donnie.
He’s throwin rocks tonight.
[Smiles]
Hitting ’em too
FK so close
Damn
Vince Cotroneo, some day I will get revenge for what you just did to me.
i am with glen. he was not bad
jonny played for the red sox, therefore he is awesome
Really though.
Damn, I thought Gomes got all of that.
So did Gomes.
Yeah. Vince did too.
Ugh, this is so gross. Gomes and Norris both crushed their pitches. And they’re outs.
Runner at second, nobody out, and we have to depend on Alberto Fucking Callaspo.
Motherfucking bullshit cockbucket.
I’m really liking the word cockbucket.
depend?
You don’t need them with Callaspo. He doesn’t run
Sure would’ve been nice to have Freiman hit there.
Watching this offense makes me irritated. Time to do something else. Hopefully the A’s can shatter my expectations.
I don’t think so.
Attention fans of the Angels, you are fans of the Angels. #Angels
what? People in orange county are stupid
This game’s a little frustrating.
I actually think we have more hard hit balls than the Angels.
its true. The A’s have been very unlucky with everything lately. In addition to sucking, of course.
“It would make baseball a better place.”–Vince Cotroneo, really bringing the philosophical mindfuck tonight. Baseball is not a place. OR IS IT
“He bunts, offers, and misses.”–Vince “Time is a Mobius strip” Cotroneo. Not all of those things can possibly have happened, and they cannot have happened in that order.
I love that I am not listening, if that is what you are asking
Vince is either especially awful tonight, or he is transforming baseball commentary into a deeply intellectual pursuit.
He believes he is the Coltrane of announcing.
I’m not sure he isn’t.
It’s possible. He bunted it up. Then tried to offer at the ball again and missed. Why he’d do that is anybody’s guess.
I believe that would be a one stroke penalty and you have to do a drop.
And replay the down.
Really nice, Andy.
“That’s why they call him The Magician.”–Vince Cotroneo. Really, Vince? It sounds like it was a 6-4-3 double play. That seems like more of a reason to just call him “The Competent Middle Infielder.”
It was a great snag of a bad late hop.
You can understand why I wouldn’t have known that, because Vince was too busy challenging my preconceptions about the nature of the universe to tell me.
I am guessing vince was unclear on that
I’m finally understanding why he says “the reality is” so much! It’s because he is talking about the nature of reality all the time!
Vince resides in a reality where “stepping on the clutch” means what he thinks it means
stepping on the clutch is consistent.
Again, this is why Vince is so obsessed with consistency: He knows reality is never consistent, that there is no concrete truth, that we all exist merely as a conceit of our own imaginations.
Vince resides in a reality where nothing means what anyone thinks it means, where time is amok, where reality collapses in on itself. He’s just reporting the horrifying facts of this Cthulhuesque universe.
Wow, nice play Magician.
Now pull an A’ rally out of your
hatdouble ear-flapped helmet.My favorite part was soto clapping while running down the line
wow, there were like 8 things Callaspo did wrong on that ground ball
I didn’t even know there were eight things you COULD do wrong on a ground ball. I want to try and guess them.
1) Didn’t charge it
2) Ran into the outfield first, then came back to field the ground ball
3) Clanked the ball off his glove instead of squeezing it
4) Kicked the ball before picking it up again
5) Dropped the ball while transferring it to his throwing hand
6) Threw the ball underhanded
7) Threw the ball offline
8) Is ugly and his mother dresses him funny
you forgot picked it up off ground with the glove after the drop
A QUADRANGULAR HOME RUN? WHAT IS REALITY IS THE FUTURE IMMUTABLE ARE WE HUMAN OR ARE WE DANCER VINCE COTRONEO
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(Name of deity at helm of your preferred religious belief system or substitute expletive in your language of choice)!!!! If these (epithet of choice, plural) don’t wake the (chosen expletive) up and start (hitting/fielding/locating pitches/favoriting my tweets) soon, this whole (epithet of choice)-ing (season/franchise/Billy Beane phenomenon/seventy-plus-year-on-average ongoing experience of tragedy and mysterious ecstasy called Life) will have been for nothing!!!! I swear to (epithet)-ing (deity or favorite dead celebrity), I’m never buying (season tickets/a $13 Tuesday night Value Deck ticket for even one game, even if it DOES come with nachos/one of those cool $10 A’s skull T-shirts on the BART Bridge, even if they DO have them in 2XL) ever again!!!! And especially (name of A’s player that most recently crapped the bed on whatever play happened in the last 11 minutes or whatever the irrational rage-focus statute of limitations is for you), I mean WTF?!?!? Did you see that (details of play from 11 minutes ago everybody saw and is still in the process of hooking up the hose to the tailpipe in the garage about) in (whatever inning or recent game the offending play happened in)????!? I mean, we pay that guy (obscenely small amount, probably in soda bottles redeemable at Lucky’s for all we know) to (reiteration of offending play details, with more choice epithets of your choosing and incorporating references to incomprehensible-yet-entertaining Vince Cotroneo description of offending play), in the heat of a pennant race????!!?? That’s it, I’m (not watching anymore/burning all my bobbleheads/crashing a blimp into the Coliseum during the World Series) until these (multiple epithets, plural, preceded by vitriolic, irrational adjectives and abusive adverbial assaults to your specification and taste) get their (body part of choice, plural) out of their (body part of choice, plural) and start to play fundamentally sound (one of George Carlin’s “7 Words”)-ing Athletics baseball again!!!!! I’m done!!!!! I mean, Billy Beane traded (your recently-departed A’s player of choice) for (whoever we got in return in that transaction), and all of a sudden we’re (obscene metaphorical adjective for humiliating failure)-ing like this????!? I’m so (adjective describing supreme and seemingly irresolvably negative state of mind) right now. Imagine what (Bill King/Charlie Finley/Connie Mack) would say if they had to watch this (metaphor for body waste emitted by farm animal of choice)!!!!! (These owners/Brad Pitt/The Illuminati) must think I pay (obscenely low ticket price, variable based on your seating of choice and literally a fraction of what people in other cities pay to watch far more terrible teams) to watch them get (tacky, questionably-tasteful euphemism for non-consensual sexual relations, past tense) by the (Angels/Tigers/Mariners/Orix Blue Wave/whichever team we just won a series from whilst scoring a total of 7 runs) like this!!!!!!! (ALL CAPS extended epithet)!!!!!!
FKing jerk-off, that wonderfully done rant draws a lot of water in this town!
I don’t draw shit
That is (fill in expletive of your choice) epic, man.
That’s fantastic, I am totally using that the next time I get pissed of.
It may confuse my (wife/boss/guy who screwed up my burrito order) though.
Dude. You just turned an epic rant into an epic Mad Lib.
Someone please pick the best part for a tagline. Or include each sentence as it’s own..either way.
Whoot, run!
Nice play, John C.
Catcher triple (assisted)! New guy knows how to fit in
Vogt better not take his team lead for granted.
COCO!
Coco!
yay runs
Way to go boys! Two-thirds of the way back and counting.
“He is throbbing.”–Vince Cotroneo, almost making a statement about the world in which the rest of us think we live
fail
Any guesses on how far Pujols gets into his contract before he’s incapable of playing baseball?
His years:
2015: $24M, 2016: $25M, 2017: $26M, 2018: $27M, 2019: $28M, 2020: $29M, 2021: $30M
He’s 34 right now. He’s also a bit revitalized, but I wonder how long he’ll last.
I’ll take the under. 2018 looks a long way away for that body.
JD!!!!!
Boom Donaldson
Donnie Ties It Up! :)
Before you say anything, Donaldson was in a completely different count than he was when Coco got picked off.
That just took the air out of their beach balls.
Yowza!
Ugh come on Norris. His slide in August is really killing the team.
That and his catching.
Got back from back to school night and wasn’t sure I wanted to turn the game on. But with Derek Carr done with his perfect impression of the best of Stabler/Plunkett/Gannon I decided I should. Very glad I did.
And I hope Wilson is crying in the dugout right now rocking back and forth mumbling about #lawyerball.
There was literal rocking back and forth over a gatorade keg.
I’d like another reason to believe, please.
Cmon’ Stephen
I hope Callaspo can score from third on a base hit.
We’ll never know, dammit.
How is this light flickering thing the Angels fans do allowed?
Why are they doing that?
Distract the hitter
Because they’re entitled brats who think they can get away with anything and often do
Yeah that was horseshit, WTF?
Gah
Damn, a couple really hittable pitches there.
yeah, but not a terrible AB. 2 out nobody on, can’t be too mad
a part of me is thinking th e flashing of the cell phones is dirty pool
Olé
Yeah, this is not a good look.
Sad.
is that the Official Angels twitter account interfering with a game?
Yes.
They’re encouraging it from the inside?
This is like Bill Veeck and his moveable fences or the Metrodome and their air conditioning.
Yeah, why not let fans run onto the field when the other team is trying to play defense or something?
Next Angels promotion: first 20,000 fans get Angels-branded mirrors!
Tenth caller to the postgame show gets a free tattoo of Mike Scoscia on his butt!
Do you get to do that hands over your head bullshit the Angels do when the shortstop moneyfucked* the ball you hit?
*hat tip: Art Howe via Howard Bryant via Englishmajor
Excellent. Let’s fking take the lead now.
Flash that, asshole Angel fans.
Man, you move that comma one slot to the right…
@Angels winky winky
First 3 innings: 64 pitches
Next 3 innings: 26 pitches
Way to settle down, Sonny.
From what I can see, they’ve been doing this light flashing thing for over a month now, some “alternative” to the wave. How that’s not outlawed as a distraction, I have no idea.
I am not sure how you can outlaw it.
Can you kick everyone out? declare a forfeit?
Have ushers go down there and wave a finger and threaten to kick them out if they do it again. If they do it again, kick them out.
I thought flash photography was verboten at the ballpark. This is the same kinda bullshit, right?
although witht the angels organization endorsing it, I see it as more intentionally interfering.
Yup.
(loudspeaker announcement at Slegna Muidats)
“Due to us not being able to sit people in lab coats in the batters’ eye anymore, we encourage Angels fans to flash their fucking smart phones during the top of innings to distract opposing hitters.”
First fan to peg an opposing hitter with a peanut throws out the ceremonial first pitch next home game
Distractions like that ought to fall under forfeiture rules.
The wave is stupid too, but at least that doesn’t have lights blinking rapidly all over the ballpark.
I doubt it really affects the game. It’s not like they’re shining a laser pointer in someone’s eye.
It is stupid and embarrassing though.
I don’t think it should have to be a laser pointer to be a distraction.
Make them play all day games.
Suspend play till it stops. Have security kick anyone out who continues to do so. I would imagine there is some clause about umpires being allowed to award the opposing team a base or something as a result, as well?
“As you know, everyone in Southern California wants to do what the person next to them is doing.”–Vince “sick burn” Cotroneo
“It’s bad enough coming to Southern California and having to deal with the rally monkey.”–Vince Cotroneo
Even worse is that Vince wasn’t smart enough to figure out how much of a distraction it would be for the hitter.
“My guess is they’re gonna form a blue ribbon panel” to examine the Angels light-wave thing, says Vince Cotroneo, just CRUSHING it right now.
“I wasn’t aware that you did a Commissioner of Baseball impression.”–Ken Korach
“Well there could be pending litigation as well.”–Vince Cotroneo, really making me reconsider my feelings about him
Props where they’re due for Vince
Strongly agree with the second sentiment.
vince is having a great inning
(mlb.tv is on to my work around and wants me to do some stuff that I don’t want to do)
This is one of the few cases in which it is truly, madly, deeply correct to say that someone is “in rare form.”
Was.
But yes. That was pretty good.
Total redemption.
Can we just have him do color commentary and never play by play? That shit was a revelation.
Just move him to TV in Glen’s place and it won’t matter if he tells you what’s going on.
He’s pretty good at things that don’t involve 1) describing baseball games or 2) asking baseball players questions.
agreed. I think he would be an improvement to Kuiper on TV.
The Vogt home run in Atlanta, I think, was very well called. But that was a rare instance in which he followed the flight of the ball rather than prematurely imposing narrative significance on the call.
Damn, way to bounce back Sonny.
incredible sonny.
Couple of key double plays, but really great to get through 7
Nice job, Sonny.
6 (or more) run A’s mojo!
This would be a good time to score.
Norris? please stop sucking. we need you
That futile swing at the slider running away was depressing,
“now the traditional beach-ball lose on the field…”
This would be a great time for Soto to turn into this year’s’ Cody Ross.
Alternatively, ’72 Tenace.
Alternatively, Babe Ruth.
Alternatively, Babe Herman.
Slightly concerned…Gregerson has not had good outings against the slegnA
Actually nvm…must be thinking of someone else.
Smith hadn’t either and look how that turned out
Well of course he hasn’t had good outings against the Angels recently. He plays for them. Duh.
I would have been tempted to leave Gray in to face Trout and Pujols, which is probably why I’m not a manager (though not the most important reason).
As I understand it, that’s actually the first question on most managerial job applications. “Would you leave Gray in to face Trout and Pujols?”
Back to School Night over. Heard the Donaldson home run on the way home. Now I get to fret. Trout leading off.
DONALDSON! You glorious son of a bitch.
Infield Josh!
JD
Two pitches crushed…
Gregerson made Kendrick look silly.
Right on, Lukerson. Here’s hoping for some run(s)
Have the A’s ever faced Huston before?
We may need Chris Yung
Fifth appearance tonight.
Don’t think so.
Nevermind,
6/17/12, 6/26 -> 6/28/09.
A handful of times, both with the Rockies and Padres. 4.1 IP, 1 ER, 6 Ks, 3 walks, 3 hits. All four appearances were save situations, and he got the save in all four. Most recent one before tonight was in 2012.
Counterclockwise Mojo
Can’t Sogard…swing harder or something?
Sogard 100% squared that ball up, pulled it, and put everything he had into it.
Not even warning track.
Useless.
Thanks, and go As.
Missing Jaso here.
20-80 scale, his power is like 14 right?
Thanks, and go As.
These are very exploratory feeling swings
Easy inning for Street.
From the memory bank.
Oh hell no
Otero has the ball too! What in the blue fuck
Bullshit!
Wow that piece of shit. Terrible call.
Oh no fucking way. He tagged him out. No mother fucking way
Bull FUCKING Shit. How the fuck can you have interference WHEN YOU HAVE THE BALL.
He never fucking touched the guy without the ball. He was outside the baseline. And he fucking ran into the guy who had the ball. Protest this bull shit.
Umpires decide the pennant race, didn’t you know?
Damn right you protest that. There is no possible way that’s not an out
He fucking tagged him out! What the fuck.
That is unbelievably wrong. He ran into the tag, period. You can’t interfere if you’re making a tag. Insane.
How in the blue bleeding FK can you interfere with a base runner when you have the damn ball in your glove?
This is the most bullshit call I think I’ve ever seen
This game needs to be protested.
Thanks, and go As.
You can’t tell me that last call spooked the A’s into that fail there.
Can we just bean the ump two or three times?
This game should be protested. Unconscionable.
Clockwise mojo.
Why the hell would you walk Beckham?
So the A’s have protested. Any chance they prevail?
No. Because we’re winning this motherFKer tonight.
Successful protests are not incredibly common
1 in the history of the AL.
The pine tar game, right?
This can’t be considered a judgment call. Otero had the ball and Aybar ran into him. There’s no judgment call about which guy ran into who, who obstructed who, who shouldn’t have been where…just a simple call. If you run into a fielder who is holding the baseball and he does not drop the baseball, you are out.
KenKo says game is under protest.
They’ll find a way not to grant the protest I’m sure, but man this seems like a pretty clear cut case. There’s no way in hell that’s a judgment call.
We aren’t the Giants.
I think the umpires’ contention has to be that it was Moss who committed the obstruction by blocking the base line without being in possession of the ball.
That’s the only thing that makes any sense, and it’s the reason the A’s will lose the protest if Trout drives in this run.
They’re saying it was called on Otero though
Aside from him not being in the baseline, pushing the guy with the ball into the runner, and being out of the way by the time the runner got there, sure.
Wasn’t Moss “in the act of fielding the ball” though? Or does that only apply if he ends up fielding it?
Sadly, I think a judgment call is exactly what they’d say. That in the hp ump’s judgment there was interference prior to the ball being fielded. Doesn’t matter if that judgment was obviously, grossly wrong.
That is insane. That is the wrongest of wrongs, and you’re absolutely right that they will say that.
Fosse is totally right, Aybar did do that on purpose.
Yep. Chris Paul-esque.
Comebacker, 1-2-3 DP. I’m calling it.
That is some shit. Aybar turned left into Otero.
Ump is terrible, but Aybar is just a piece of shit. He exemplifies Sciosciaball perfectly.
This. I didnt like him before and I fucking hate him now.
I tried to find the right image of John Cusack from High Fidelity, couldn’t find it, so here’s this instead:
There’s no WAY your daughter likes that…oh I’m sorry, is she in a coma?
Fosse is correct in pointing out that Aybar veered right into the pitcher. Smart risk by Aybar, counting on the umpires wanting to decide this game.
Huge
At least the umps made the infield fly rule call correctly.
And no matter what, this bullshit screws us. Even if we get out of this inning. Even if we score 17 in the 10th and win it. We have to bring in extra pitchers and use up the bullpen even more in game 1 because a fucking umpire cant realize a guy going out of his way to run into a tag may be trying to get a call.
Get ’em Cook. Just get ’em.
Cook. He’ll strike Trout out, or do something horrible.
BOTH!
Really do not get why either BoMel did not have Abad face both Beckham and Calhoun, or have Cook go after Beckham and then bring in Abad to face Calhoun.
Wanted the force at any base/double play opportunity
Where the fuck did that miss?
Justice
Thank goodness.
Remember when Blevins got out of that jam in this place in 2012? That.
FK you Scioscia. And all the guys in the blue suits.
They tried to steal it with the help of their devil umps.
No. Go.
Time to score a lot of runs.
Trout made a bad mistake. That was the dumbest thing I’ve seen him do.
Wow. That was quite an adventure.
SIT YOUR FAT PLATE BLOCKING UGLY ASS DOWN SCIOSCIA!
This.
Protest denied as moot.
Nope. Even if they lose this game, the protest is still in place and would need to be ruled on.
They meaning the A’s, I assume? They’ll rule that it didn’t change the outcome of the game. Same thing.
That’s not how the protest system works. The only way it becomes moot is if the A’s win. It did affect the game in that they allowed a runner on, resulting in the next two guys bunting and the A’s using 3 pitchers in the inning.
I guarantee they will say it did not adversely affect our chances because we got out of the inning. That’s false, but that’s what they’ll say.
And it did. By allowing the runners on, we now have Pujols and Hamilton leading off and now didn’t have Abad to come in at this point in the game. Extra innings and we wasted 3 arms as a result of the bad call. That’s adversely affecting our chances.
I don’t think they are allowed to rule that way. They can and almost certainly will fuck us, but they can’t do it like that.
So now we just start running into people and taking our base, right?
That was anemic.
The A’s struggle enough against lousy pitching. The Angels’ bullpen, in its current state, seems beyond them.
Throw some FKing strikes.
Kuiper says a foul ball hit him in the head. I say that’s like a bird shitting on your jacket…good luck!
Fuck you Callaspo
Thanks, and go As.
Seriously.
Ladendorf is looking pretty good now.
Wow.
Get Cook out of there.
Cook looks pretty good to me actually, there’s life on his pitches and he’s hitting his spots.
Fucking shit Callaspo.
That’s a DP with a real 2Bman there.
or actually fucking playing DP depth instead of shifting over for a pull hitter
Thanks, and go As.
Good grief, Alberto.
ughghghgh
Crap. Here we go again. I don’t think they get out of this one.
Why is Pujols still in the game?
Seriously.
They’re counting on a fly ball to CF so we can see Coco’s arm against Pujols’ legs.
Fuck the bullshit fucking piece of cheating crap Angels
I’m so tired of Cook’s Jekyll and Hyde acts.
That was some of the worst camera work I’ve ever seen.
Thanks, and go As.
Gross incompetence.
Absolute fucking horseshit.
If the call in the 9th in made correctly, Pujols may not even fucking bat in the 10th.
Callaspo has the worst range of any infielder ever to play baseball. Stephen Hawking could have turned that into a DP and still had time to contextualize it in the realm of Quantum String Theory.
Seriously it takes a lot to make me miss the defensive brilliance of Shredder, but Jesus.
I’m just about off my fucking rocker, and I will regret this later but seriously dont give a fuck right now.
If Aybar gets drilled in his first AB tomorrow I will not shed a tear.
Fuck that. I want the Angels to hit Callaspo.
Again, would not shed a tear.
Losing this game, with a favorable starting pitching matchup, isn’t helpful at all. This is the trouble with the A’s as they are playing now. They can get good or even very good performances out of their starters. That guarantees nothing.
The perfect storm of stupidity, incompetence and bad luck.
but you can call me AV.
Heh.
Not buying. You dropped Slavoj Zizek in that other thread.
Six years from now he’ll drop Zizek again, in substantially the same comment.
If the Zizek-droppings are his own, who gives?
Besides which, “there is no present or future. Only the past, happening again and again, now.”
Especially where violent, religious fundamentalists are concerned.
Hard to fault the commentator for a repeat broadcast.
he got in trouble for copy-pasting something else recently. in a way, it fits though. he’d argue something about the replication of text throughout the internet, mention the freeing authorlessness of that, and polemicize that it doesn’t make the theory wronger or righter just because it’s repeated, how many times, or where it came from originally, but it’s certainly an issue of our post-pre-post-post-modern internet to contend with that reality-creating echo.
Angels broadcasters BARELY concealing that they know the call is fucked.
I don’t know which dumbass is suggesting there was no path, but running outside the baseline into the tag isn’t obstruction. Running in the baseline and running into Moss *would* have been, you can’t assume obstruction would have taken place. It actually has to take place.
yes
Yeah, because this bullshit isnt bad enough. Now you have to talk about you cant assume obstruction.
If this call stands we need to be retroactively awarded the 2003 World Title.
I think it’s Gubizca, and I think he’s only saying it because he can’t bring himself to say, “Yep, that’s a shitty call and the Angels just got an insane gift.”
Don’t worry, y’all.. Yoenis Cespedes is pitching tomorrow night :D
Callaspo is just so bad. Jesus Christ.
just activate jed. don’t worry about it. he can play
Seriously. How can you not get to that fucking ball?
hmm. was on at bat at the time. I am sensing something went wrong on the hamilton single
I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say that any other big league secondbaseman makes that play, and most of the time they turn two.
Remember Craptastico running from first to home and being out by a mile? Apply that to moving to his side on a routine ground ball to his right.
Likely 2 more lefties coming up and best case scenario for Lowrie seems to be sometime next week. So brace yourselves for at least two more important games with Callaspo at second.
Oh come on.
Is that really the rule? I always thought the runner had to avoid a fielder fielding the ball…
so isn’t that interference by the runner?
Well if that’s the contention that’s flat out false. That’s not even judgment call false. That’s factually incorrect false.
if only there was some way to look at the play again or something.
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just watched it in super slomo… no WAY there is contact before the ball is fielded, it would not be physically possible unless Dan Otero was somehow able to become Mr. Stretch from The Fantastic Four. But the protest will be dismissed because, well, Albert Pujols contract or something.
THAT IS FUCKING NUTSHIT
After seeing video and realizing a frantic effort at revisionism was needed.
Hard for that to happen with zero contact between Moss and Aybar unless you contact Moss pushing Otero into Aybar.
transferred intent [/lawyer joke]
moss…never…touched him.
And then why did the home plate umpire emphatically point to otero?
You can have obstruction without touching? Honest question.
No. Not unless the umpires fuck up.
I am pretty sure the answer is no.
If the fielder is in the way, you run into him/her then continue on. otherwise you lose the division series. or something.
Nothing in the definition of obstruction requires contact.
Moss was in the act of fielding therefore it cannot be obstruction. Otero was too. Both fielders were going for the ball, so both were in tne act of fielding.
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And the moment Otero fielded it, he back away BEHIND Otero putting the guy with the ball between himself and the runner which happens to be perfectly within the rules.
That principle is dealt with, in a way, in the baserunner interference rule (which is much more comprehensive than the obstruction rule).
So they determined that Otero, who fielded the ball, wasn’t entitled to field it. Sweet. Dumb. But sweeet.
So if anything, Aybar could have been called out for running into Otero if Otero had dropped the ball… I really think that clown just choked out there and completely fucked up the basic rules of baseball.
This. They are entitled to be standing there to field the ball. I don’t see how that could be a correct call even if he hit Moss or if Otero had not caught the ball yet.
Which still didn’t happen as he ran into the guy with the ball instead of anywhere near the guy who wasn’t blocking his path.
MOSS WAS IN THE ACT OF FIELDING THE BALL
And now they say Moss obstructed.
They are gonna revise it after the fact now and say Moss was in the running lane so Aybar had to go on the grass. And Sirhan fired all the shots, and there were only 6.
Aybar ran back…and to the left.
Yeah, he would say that.
Only in the sense that all calls are based on the judgement of what reality one judges themselves to be in. But here in the real world, facts are facts and them facts say you fucked up Gerry.
why wasn’t this reviewed?
Im assuming you cant review it. But would rather bitch about it then try to find out for sure.
“judgement call”
ie fuck you guys we’re still doing what we want, protecting dumb fuck umpires who can’t do their job right, and not holding them accountable.
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Best to move on, we’re getting fucked in this game. Complete bullshit, best way to get it back is to win the next 3.
Fuck this stupid fucking Thousand Oaks Encino bullshit and all sort of other fucking shit i’d say that woudld be derogatory but probably offensive to people here. FUCK YOU ANGELS.
more rum and then bed.
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yeah, this was a shit game
Only positive about the thorough fisting we got from the Umps is that we also didn’t deserve to win. And good god Callaspo is 15 times worse than Punto.
Clearly Aybar’s head goes back and to the left, and Moss fired all six shots from the baseline with the revolver.
And graphical evidence that Moss was never in the baseline until after Aybar collided with the glove.
Yup. You can see everything more clearly in this gif
So Moss was in the process of fielding the ball (not obstruction) and not impeding the runner because he wasn’t even in the baseline (definitely not obstruction).
Unfortunately this video evidence is moot because as everyone else has noted, it’s a “judgment call”. So Moss and Otero could literally be frolicking in left field and the umpire could still rule whatever the hell he wants.
The one silver lining to this is that Otero knocked Aybar on his ass.
Seriously. The notion that he HAD to leave the baseline is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Moss didn’t even touch the dirt until AFTER the runner was tagged out. The baseline was totally clear.
Am I too in the moment, or is this worse the Angel’s double call last year?
Last year’s was worse, because FK Angel Hernandez.
That one was fucking it up ON REPLAY. Which I think is worse than screwing the pooch when you only see it live.
the replay system then was worse. The umpires had a shitty screen to look at and it was Angel Hernandez looking.
I don’t see one as worse than the other.
I’m not sure I can think of a call that is worse than this call. Maybe the 1985 World Series blown call. Maybe the Jim Joyce call that broke up Galaragga’s perfect game. But even those calls were actual legitimate judgment calls. You can fuck that up, you can see something from a bad angle. But this was a simple tag play. There’s no confusion. You can’t see anything other than what actually occurred: the runner made contact with a fielder who was in possession of the ball and the fielder held onto the ball. This is absurdly bad.
This was worse. At least three of the four umps had great, complementary views of exactly what happened.
The Angel call was certainly wrong, but I at least understood how he got it wrong because it took me several close looks at the replay on my HD monitor to be absolutely certain the ball hit behind the fence. It made sense that he wasn’t able to get there watching on a crappy monitor. This makes no sense.
“They said he has to have a clear lane to the base”. That’s just not true when they’re trying to field the ball. The runner has to get out of the way, not the fielder. That’s why runners aren’t allowed to plow into a fielder waiting for a pop fly running in a straight line from second to third. Really surprised the other umps didn’t overturn it on the field.
there is no judgement in this call. It is all rule based. The A’s lose the protest because though.
And there WAS a clear lane. Moss wasn’t even on the fucking dirt.
Worst call ever. I was there, and tried to explain to the idiots around me that you can’t have obstruction when you’re TAGGING THE RUNNER OUT.
Angels fans have to be told when to cheer (and even then, they don’t). It’s eerily quiet–the only time they make any noise is when the stupid monkey shows up. A near-sellout here is quieter than 6K Oakland fans on a Wednesday day game.
Weird.. can’t edit my typos.
its ok, I don’t noticve typos
tagline, please
wait
OTERO GOT CHARGED FOR AN ERROR ON THAT FUCKING PLAY? HOW IN THE WHAT THE FUCK?
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Since there was an obstruction call, there’s definitely an error, but per the umpire’s comments it should be charged to Moss.
So we have definitive proof that they changed the call after the game.
Fuck this.
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The umps weren’t even consistent with their explanation. They basically changed their mind to fit their warped sense of what didn’t actually happen.
They were wrong when it happened, and honestly I think they are getting more wronger the longer they talk about it. But it doesnt matter. They will hide behind judgement and we will have to fight that much harder.
And now that I have slept a little and seen the light of a new day..I still want Callapso and Aybar to get hit.
For me, that’s the worst part of it. Anyone who’s being honest about what happened there knows that not only should Aybar have been out, but it had a pretty significant affect on the game after that despite the run not scoring. And even despite that, MLB won’t have the stones step up and fix something that both needs fixing and could have significant play off implications.
I’m picturing the joy I will feel if we end up one game around anything (tied for 1st in division, 1 game behind, etc). So I guess there is only one thing to do.
Win the whole fucking thing.
I wouldn’t get too hung up on how the error was charged. The scorer just heard that it was interference on Otero, so he charged E-1 (umps do not assign errors). Since the umps subsequently said the interference was on Moss, I would assume the scorer will change the call to E-3. The scorer is simply reacting to what the umps say.
Now, it is clear that the umps changed their call, which as I said last night seems to me like an “OMG the video makes us look like morons, better assign the interference to Moss” cover-up reaction.
Yep. Especially the bullshit surrounding that last part.
Serious question-do the umps signal who the error is charged to? I know 9 times out of 10 it is obvious, but I don’t think I have ever noticed them signaling and yet I would think they have to; you cant just let the scorer pick can you?
And yes, this to a degree seems to show a change in the call. But lets be honest, they change hits to errors after the fact all the time. They won’t let this be used as proof that their judgement was anything but infallible.
Any comments from the umpire influencing the official scoring by way of clarifications would come after the game, as they did in this situation per Slusser’s tweets, and I do expect the boxscore will be corrected to assign the error to Moss before tonight’s game. I think on occasion someone in the dugout will call upstairs during the game to explain something to the scorer.
The umps should just reply with two middle fingers stuck straight up and save us all this bullshit half-hearted reasoning. It would communicate the same thing
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dont know why it put 2 of em
problem as i see it, baseball umps are not accustomed to flopping. bought it wholesale. put an experienced ref in this game and aybar draws a yellow.
The funny thing about that bullshit interference/obstruction crap is that it takes away from THE ANGELS ENCOURAGING FANS TO SHINE LED LIGHTS TOWARD THE FIELD DURING PLAY
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Apparently they also did it during a Trout at-bat, so whatever. Apparently they’re just stupid.
I agree its stupid, and likely not much you can do about it, like the flashbulbs for barry bonds or hideo nomo, but the Angels offical twitter encouraging it, that I think you can regulate
WELP
I suspect the league is happy. It would have been denied but whatever BS reason it ginned up would have been controversial.
This is much cleaner from a PR perspective.
They probably got some unofficial “it’s considered a judgement call, don’t bother” response.
It would not surprise me if they quietly expand replay a little bit more to let them take a second look at this sort of play and correct the most egregious mistakes. Of course that doesn’t help the A’s right now.
That’s basically what their statement amounted to.
IT’S NOT A JUDGMENT CALL GODDAMIT
Except it pretty much is, and they blew it completely.
If it’s a judgment call, then so is literally every other call.
Not true. Things like outs on the bases, fair/foul, home run or not – those can all be factually proven through use of replay. Yes, umpires use their own judgment to make their calls, but those types of places have clear results. That’s a main reason they’re eligible for replay review.
Obstruction/interference is still up to the umpire(s) to determine based on whatever criteria they decide to use beyond what the rulebook states. Same thing with balls and strikes. You can’t review that either.
This could lead to a change in the rules and/or review procedures to allow for a look at a play to determine whether obstruction/interference took place, but what happened last night is an extremely rare case. They still screwed it up anyway.
To me, an argument can be made that the obstruction rule was misapplied in the sense that it was not applicable. It was a tag play, not an obstruction play.
I’d agree with that. I think it was completely misapplied. Melvin said he was told there was contact made before Otero caught the ball. That is false.
I also don’t buy that Moss was impeding Aybar’s progress to the point he had no other option but to veer to the left and crash into Otero. The runner’s box remained an open path. Aybar could claim he thought Moss was going to cross over that box while going by, but he didn’t.
Otero fielded the ball just as Moss made an attempt of his own, leading to the two of them bumping each other. Then Aybar flopped into Otero upon changing his direction. I see no way that’s not a basic tag play, especially since Aybar ran right into Otero’s glove in the process.
If Aybar was convinced that Moss would impeded his progress than it would behoove him to keep going to make contact. The very fact that he veered into the play suggested there was something more on his mind there instead. There was inference, but the runner trying interfere with the play not the fielder. That’s where the obstruction rule got misapplied.
by rule, the runner has to avoid contact with the fielder, which is what he was doing, avoiding the fielder (moss).
Yet moss was called for obstruction
Except the fielder in question was Otero. And even if he were avoiding Moss, going inside would not be avoiding him.
For a protest to be upheld, the protesting team has to point to a specific rule that was mis-applied, and honestly the obstruction rule is so vague that application of it is necessarily a matter of the umpire’s judgment. But if you’ve found something I haven’t, a rule that was applied incorrectly and not a matter of judgment, please cite the rule.
I think andeux is right, there have been several situations of “Why isn’t this subject to review? Well, because it’s not on the list of plays that are subject to review” and that will be addressed in the offseason.
I’d be interested in hearing an official definition of what constitutes a “judgment call.”
that’s a judgement call.
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See, we can’t even agree on how to spell it (both are correct).
Unfortunately it’s a tautology.
I felt that once replay was used on the Rosales home run, the call was no longer a judgment call. There was clear video evidence that the ball hit the railing above the yellow line, and the rule that was misapplied was 6.09(d), possibly supplemented by a Cleveland ground rule that says the railing isn’t part of the wall. I thought Melvin should have announced a formal protest on that one, but all he did was scream and get ejected.
Which rule is the one that says “If you tag a dude, he’s out”? That’s the rule that was misapplied. And the obstruction rule was misapplied because there wasn’t obstruction. There was a guy running out of the baseline directly into a defensive player and getting tagged. There’s no judgment call on obstruction to make.
this is two non reviewable plays that were blown against the A’s this year. (albeit one play was blown before and after a review)
What was the other one?
Blue jays series, the freiman tag play no call then force at the plate on the field, tag reversed on replay run awarded to toronto.
wait, but I am wrong, the other one was the foul tip in the boston game
hahahaha
I just got an automated email for some wool dryer things I bought for a dollar on amazon instead of dryer sheets. This is part of the FAQ:
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That’s very good life advice. LMAO
24th street merchants opted out of sunday streets because of fees.
Sad really