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La Grillencia 240

Nice words from Cespedes. Hopefully the A’s can give him his wish, at least as far as this postseason goes. No way of knowing if there was ever a realistic possibility of keeping him long-term, but his sentiment is still nice and he had nothing but good things to say about being here. That’s business, right?

Also linking this because the story includes a mention from Jason Turbow about working on a book about the 1970s A’s, including a mention of something between Alvin Dark and Vida Blue. Comments at the bottom regarding Fuentes/Geren are from me, by the way.

240 thoughts on “La Grillencia

  1. FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 18,2014 8:33 pm

    There have been suggestions over the years that Alvin Dark was a racist (and others strongly refuted that rumor, including Jackie Robinson). It is clear at least that Dark was a harsh moralist and an aloof manager. I don’t doubt that virtually everyone on the 1974 A’s roster hated his guts.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  2. James V. Aug 18,2014 8:37 pm

    Of course, Cespedes went 0-for-5 tonight with 2 strikeouts and 1 RBI, leaving 6 on base in his ABs. He’s hitting .219 with a .231 OBP for Boston in 15 games, slugging .406.

  3. Thunderbutt Aug 18,2014 8:38 pm

    Sounds like Cespedes is handling it better than A’s fandom.

    There is always a score.
  4. Jennifer Aug 18,2014 8:43 pm

    Today 2 Jennifer 0

    • Kay Temple Kirk Aug 18,2014 9:24 pm || Up

      Yeah, but Jennifer’s got Jennifer pitching tomorrow, whereas Today’s throwing its’ fifth starter, who can’t get lefties out to save his life.

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 18,2014 10:19 pm || Up

        Nice. Tomorrow, Today is going down!

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Jennifer Aug 18,2014 10:21 pm || Up

          I’m not putting pants on tomorrow.

          Teehee

          • 5Aces Aug 18,2014 11:42 pm || Up

            Are you putting on shorts? underwear? The devil’s in the details.

            Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
            • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 19,2014 9:26 am || Up

              Sundress. The world can’t beat you if you’re wearing a sundress.

              • MikeV Aug 19,2014 9:43 am || Up

                one of hte most underrated pieces of women’s clothing.

                And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                Thanks, and go As.

                • AV Aug 19,2014 9:53 am || Up

                  it’s so… subliminal.

                  ssss-UNDRESS! cough cough. ssss-UNDRESS!

                  *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
                • dmoas Aug 19,2014 10:08 am || Up

                  Agreed on on three accounts.

                • Glorious Mundy Aug 19,2014 10:06 am || Up

                  #grantlandpitches

                • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 19,2014 10:36 am || Up

                  Until you’ve worn one on a hot summer day as a man, you have not experienced a secret truth of clothing: Men were robbed in the decision over who should be allowed to wear dresses.

                • MikeV Aug 19,2014 10:48 am || Up

                  Kilt.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • dmoas Aug 19,2014 10:57 am || Up

                  Still have to wear a top and flannel is heavy.

                • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 19,2014 12:05 pm || Up

                  Far fuckin cry from a sundress, my friend. A sundress is pure liberty in textile form. A kilt is just an inconvenient blanket with no fashion sense.

                • dmoas Aug 19,2014 10:56 am || Up

                  I say we take that shit back! Commando!

                • Kay Temple Kirk Aug 19,2014 5:52 pm || Up

                  Amen, Brother. Keep the tenets of “manhood” that are nurturing and empowering, and drop the useless “man card” restrictive bullshit like the freshly soiled diaper it is.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • Kay Temple Kirk Aug 19,2014 5:50 pm || Up

                  Everybody is allowed to wear dresses.

                  If it feels good, do it. Feel free to reap the benefits of greater social acceptance of genderfluidity.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 20,2014 7:48 am || Up

                  Nope. Especially since I’m moving back to Kansas now.

                • Jennifer Aug 20,2014 8:14 am || Up

                  For real?

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 20,2014 8:46 am || Up
                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • Jennifer Aug 20,2014 8:52 am || Up

                  That’s Missouri.

                • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 20,2014 8:31 pm || Up

                  what a noob

                • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 20,2014 8:31 pm || Up

                  4realz

                • Jennifer Aug 20,2014 9:27 pm || Up

                  Good luck.

                • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 23,2014 10:26 pm || Up

                  I made it. Just in time for the late August heat. I am good at plans.

                • Future Ed Aug 24,2014 8:18 am || Up

                  but now you won’t be blacke onut on MLB.TV

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Kay Temple Kirk Aug 20,2014 7:53 pm || Up

                  If it’s an open carry state, I don’t see a problem. I can’t think of a better accessory for a summer sundress than a Smith & Wesson!

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 20,2014 8:32 pm || Up

                  I’m sure it’s an open-carry state by now. Brownback has turned it into fucking Mordor.

            • Jennifer Aug 19,2014 11:07 am || Up

              Had to put on shorts to go back to work and deal with Monday again. Ugh.

              • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 19,2014 12:05 pm || Up

                It’s a hell of a Monday that can force you to deal with it on a Tuesday.

                • Jennifer Aug 19,2014 6:26 pm || Up

                  Pretty much. Emotionally exhausted. I slept most of the day.

  5. Kay Temple Kirk Aug 19,2014 7:37 am

    So, the big weekend fundraiser was a success. We raised about $20,000, which will go a LONG way towards the operations budget and hiring another part-time staff member.

    Plus, apparently, it’s standard practice for the sponsors to cut the checks sometime AFTER the event, as opposed to sending the checks BEFORE the event or presenting them during. The only organization who paid their sponsorship early was, of course, the Oakland Athletics.

    So, here’s my proposal… We turn the A’s from a baseball club into an international non-profit fundraising clearinghouse. Turn Athletics LLC into Athletics NGO. “Stomper Without Borders” can provide medical supplies, while the Bob Melvin Human College Fund can send tens of thousands of kids to higher education that otherwise wouldn’t have had a chance. “Uncle Lew’s Got Yer Back” will give out cash grants to thousands of needy Bay Area students to pay for school supplies and tech, and “LGBTQIA’s” can fund all the AIDS charities and gender clinics.

    \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • James V. Aug 19,2014 7:50 am || Up

      Good to hear, and nice that the A’s sent the check ahead of time as well.

    • vignette17 Aug 19,2014 8:26 am || Up

      Good for the A’s. They seem like the type of org that wouldn’t have shocked me if they were a complete pain to work with.

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 19,2014 8:44 am || Up

        The parts of the A’s that work directly with the public are really strong. Every time I’ve worked with their ticket services or community involvement staff they have been fantastic.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 19,2014 9:28 am || Up

          I wonder if it’s because they know they work for a guy who is so terrible at communicating with the public.

    • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 19,2014 9:27 am || Up

      Becoming a non-baseball-team entity is the new market inefficiency.

      • Kay Temple Kirk Aug 19,2014 5:53 pm || Up

        Sometimes I do wonder which corporations will survive to become post-capitalistic sociocultural entities. Google and Lego and Zappo’s are the first to come to my mind.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
  6. FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 19,2014 8:46 am

    Gentry started rehab in Sacto yesterday, could be back Friday for series vs Angels, who will start two lefties.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • AV Aug 19,2014 9:30 am || Up

      oh right. forgot about kitten.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 19,2014 10:37 am || Up

        Nowadays, everybody wanna talk like they got somethin to say, but nothin comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish. The motherfuckers act like they…

        • AV Aug 19,2014 10:41 am || Up
          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • James V. Aug 19,2014 11:30 am || Up

          You’ve seen this, I assume.

          Never thought Hatteberg had it in him.

          • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 19,2014 12:06 pm || Up

            Yeah. I was underwhelmed. I wanted a little more edge to his voice.

            • James V. Aug 19,2014 12:32 pm || Up

              It wasn’t perfect either, but damn good for just breaking into it unrehearsed.

            • AV Aug 19,2014 2:24 pm || Up

              if you lived through the william perry era, nothing else can ever live up.

              *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • andeux Aug 19,2014 10:00 am || Up

      Presumably whoever is back first of Blanks and Gentry pushes Freiman off the roster temporarily. If they are both back before Sept 1, what is the other move? We need to keep a backup infielder, I can’t see the team DFA’ing Fuld again after trading for him. Dumping Gomes may well be the right move, but seems even more unlikely.

      TINSTAAFK
      • Glorious Mundy Aug 19,2014 10:09 am || Up

        Hammel DFA.

        • MikeV Aug 19,2014 10:33 am || Up

          Hammel for Rollins

          Really though, Frieman hit a few bombs but other than that basically doesn’t provide much.

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

          • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 19,2014 10:38 am || Up

            He is our third-highest OPS since the All-Star Break.

            • MikeV Aug 19,2014 10:50 am || Up

              it went from .687 to .854 last game.

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

            • Future Ed Aug 19,2014 10:53 am || Up

              he also has cost as many runs on defense as his 4 homers provided.

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 19,2014 12:07 pm || Up

                Still rather have him on the team than Callaspo.

                • Future Ed Aug 19,2014 12:55 pm || Up

                  I don’t disagree.

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • dmoas Aug 19,2014 2:33 pm || Up

                  I still like to pronounce it: Collapse – Oh! Or: Craptastico!

          • dmoas Aug 19,2014 10:54 am || Up

            Freiman at this time would already have been pushed off the roster by the first guy.

      • dmoas Aug 19,2014 10:34 am || Up

        At this point, they’d just wait until Sept 1.

      • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 19,2014 10:37 am || Up

        Callaspo DFA

  7. andeux Aug 19,2014 10:11 am
    TINSTAAFK
    • Glorious Mundy Aug 19,2014 10:14 am || Up

      Perfect.

      Q: What’s the best thing about catching?

      Jaso: You get to hit, right? That other stuff sounds stressful.

      • Future Ed Aug 19,2014 11:00 am || Up

        Q: Who has the best hair?

        Vogt: As someone who doesn’t have great hair – John’s hair is more beautiful. He had flowing locks. Whereas DeNo, his hair is just badass.

        Norris: It’s not pretty.

        Vogt: It’s awesome.

        Norris: It’s ready to party.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  8. MikeV Aug 19,2014 10:57 am

    Man.. this is too FKing true.

    How we’d cover Ferguson if it happened in another country.

    The crisis began a week ago in Ferguson, a remote Missouri village that has been a hotbed of sectarian tension. State security forces shot and killed an unarmed man, which regional analysts say has angered the local population by surfacing deep-seated sectarian grievances. Regime security forces cracked down brutally on largely peaceful protests, worsening the crisis.

    America has been roiled by political instability and protests in recent years, which analysts warn can create fertile ground for extremists.

    Missouri, far-removed from the glistening capital city of Washington, is ostensibly ruled by a charismatic but troubled official named Jay Nixon, who has appeared unable to successfully intervene and has resisted efforts at mediation from central government officials. Complicating matters, President Obama is himself a member of the minority sect protesting in Ferguson, which is ruled overwhelmingly by members of America’s majority “white people” sect.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

  9. FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 19,2014 2:15 pm

    “Unless you’re Lew Wolff, you can’t be that condescending with the city.”

    Funny, but probably wrong. Waste Management are way bigger badasses than Lew Wolff. And the last time one of the big Bay area cities awarded a garbage contract the Mayor got indicted.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • doctorK Aug 19,2014 2:19 pm || Up

      “This is not bribery,” the judge wrote. “This is politics.”

      What’s the difference?

      • AV Aug 19,2014 2:28 pm || Up

        different payment plans. with bribery, it’s cash down. with politics, you can finance through to the eventual settlement.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 19,2014 2:31 pm || Up

        Into which bank account was the check deposited.

        Truthfully, most politicians don’t directly enrich themselves while in office. For most of them, I’ve come to believe, it’s much more about filling an ego need for dynastic power.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • dmoas Aug 19,2014 2:42 pm || Up

          That sounds about right. It’s all greed. It’s just the difference in what currency they seek.

    • Englishmajor Aug 19,2014 2:44 pm || Up

      I had to do a little story on this yesterday, and WM’s PR staff are way more responsive than the A’s too.

      • Future Ed Aug 19,2014 2:57 pm || Up

        they make a lot more money

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  10. doctorK Aug 19,2014 2:27 pm
    • James V. Aug 19,2014 2:39 pm || Up

      Considering most bands make their money on touring/merchandise, I’m going to guess this doesn’t go over very well.

      • AV Aug 19,2014 2:51 pm || Up

        first sentence.

        but really, how do i go nearly 30 years not thinking about terrible rap songs by the chicago bears and in one day they cross my ears twice?

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • Glorious Mundy Aug 19,2014 2:57 pm || Up

          I’d like to see some actual data to back that sentence up.

          • AV Aug 19,2014 3:00 pm || Up

            well i mentioned the fridge rap not 15 minutes ago and…

            oh, you mean their sentence.

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
          • AV Aug 19,2014 3:03 pm || Up

            i do love their marketeer math. hey a 30-sec ad costs $X, so 12 minutes of entertainment must be the equivalent of a $24X ad for the band…

            (which i guess means the entire superbowl is nothing more than a $480X ad for football… as i’ve always said.)

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • dmoas Aug 19,2014 2:43 pm || Up

      Seriously dumb. I’d love for them all to boycott and them have no show or get desperate and have someone awful.

      • 5Aces Aug 19,2014 2:52 pm || Up

        Up With People!

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • nevermoor Aug 19,2014 3:08 pm || Up

        Hasn’t the latter happened pretty much every year?

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • Glorious Mundy Aug 19,2014 2:46 pm || Up

      I find it hard to believe that any act big enough for the NFL to want gets a meaningful enough bump in record or ticket sales from a halftime performance to make it worth paying for the privilege.

      Plus, doesn’t the league already make money off this crap by having Pepsi or whoever sponsor the show?

    • Future Ed Aug 19,2014 3:02 pm || Up

      Google didn’t remember the pay to play boycott of the late 80s early 90s in the LA metal scene.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • AV Aug 19,2014 3:06 pm || Up

        because it’s still going on.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • Future Ed Aug 19,2014 3:13 pm || Up

          it is certainly going in for me

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
  11. Englishmajor Aug 19,2014 2:29 pm

    As much as I love our unicorn-riding MaEl, it seems like he’s one middle infielder we shouldn’t regret not having.

  12. Soaker Aug 19,2014 2:52 pm

    Speaking of NFL obnoxiousness, it sounds like these “Red Zone” ads are spreading like the Spanish Flu in the local preseason telecasts.

    What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 19,2014 3:05 pm || Up

      That is hideous, quite possibly enough to make me turn off the TV if it becomes a regular thing.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • dmoas Aug 19,2014 3:52 pm || Up

      There were enough serious complaints that they nixed that. At least out here. But seriously, how the fk do you even follow what’s going on with that shit there?

  13. FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 19,2014 3:03 pm

    AV bait.

    “The ‘the’ is essential in our name because it implies a definitive mass of ‘so so glos.’”

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • 5Aces Aug 19,2014 3:07 pm || Up

      Cant believe it took the entire article and 2 comments for someone to get to The The.

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • AV Aug 19,2014 3:10 pm || Up

      neat. thanks.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • Future Ed Aug 19,2014 3:12 pm || Up

      I think i want to punch everyone involved in that article.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • AV Aug 19,2014 3:19 pm || Up

        ed likes to show off by correctly identifying the parts of speech.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  14. Glorious Mundy Aug 19,2014 3:20 pm

    Like

    • dmoas Aug 19,2014 3:53 pm || Up

      At least we’re sending out our top 3 starters. Now, which offense are they going to send out for that game? April, May, June, July, or August?

    • Soaker Aug 19,2014 4:18 pm || Up

      The way I project the rotation for the rest of the season, the Angels get Lester and Kazmir 3 times each, Samardzija twice, Gray just the once and the fifth starter once. I have either Gray or Samardzija pitching a wild card game on September 30, and Lester opening the ALDS on October 2. If the A’s are locked into their wild card slot after Game 160, you could hold Lester for the wild card game, which he would pitch on 7 days rest.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • Kay Temple Kirk Aug 19,2014 6:01 pm || Up

        Thank you for the thorough prognostication.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • 5Aces Aug 19,2014 5:03 pm || Up

      Why is it always a quick and easy fix AFTER a guy gets skipped/benched/sent down? Why couldnt hed see after his first 2-3 crap games?

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 19,2014 5:12 pm || Up

        The apologists would say that the Oakland coaches didn’t know Hammels’ motion well enough at first to diagnose a subtle flaw. looks like he’ll get at least one more chance next week to fix it.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  15. Glorious Mundy Aug 19,2014 4:22 pm

    I wonder whether Selig is going to sit with Lew tonight or mingle with the local populace. Deliciously awkward either way.

    • Soaker Aug 19,2014 4:31 pm || Up

      I think he’ll come through the center field gate in a Popemobile, and they’ll park it in foul territory over by the tarp.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 19,2014 5:09 pm || Up

      Suite upstairs, I’d guess.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • 5Aces Aug 19,2014 5:11 pm || Up

        I was assuming Lounge at SFO.

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • Future Ed Aug 19,2014 5:49 pm || Up

          so he is radio only too?

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Dial C for Concupiscence Aug 20,2014 9:32 am || Up

          Can’t let ATandT park sit empty #shame

    • Englishmajor Aug 19,2014 5:47 pm || Up

      I’m just listening to the recording of the press conference (CSN aired it live but I don’t see an archive of it yet). As much as we all like to bash Bud, he did express what seemed like genuine affection for the Haas family (and Bob Lurie). And he said some interesting things about the territorial rights transfer – impliying that Haas and Lurie knew what they were doing, and chose not to have the rights go back to shared when the Giants didn’t move south (rather than just forgetting to do it or thinking it wasn’t a big deal). And:

      I don’t have any negative feelings about Oakland, I really don’t. Other than Finley, but hell, that’s long since gone. I can’t blame any of this on Finley. Not that I wouldn’t like to.

      • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 20,2014 7:53 am || Up

        Heh. We all hate Finley.

        • 5Aces Aug 20,2014 8:30 am || Up

          I dont hate Finley as much as I should. He is a man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. If he had owned a team in the 1930s and 40s he would be seen as a Jacob Ruppert-reviving a franchise that was going nowhere and creating numerous innovations. It just so happens that he came around at a time where everything was changing labor wise and he was too far behind the curve to deal with that.

          Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
          • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 20,2014 8:49 am || Up

            Agreed. He was a mean cheapskate, but he was our mean cheapskate, and whatever else is true he brought the A’s to Oakland and presided over a team that won three straight World Series.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
            • 5Aces Aug 20,2014 8:54 am || Up

              And if my annual reading of Ball four tells me anything, it’s that all the owners were mean cheapskates. The difference was before Marvin Miller they could pretty much be mean with impunity.

              Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
              • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 20,2014 8:34 pm || Up

                Be a mean cheapskate all you want, in an era of mean cheapskates, but be a mean cheapskate who knows when to hold ’em and knows when to fold ’em. I’ve heard so many of those 1970s A’s say that Finley could have spent a fraction of what a lot of them ended up getting in free agency to keep those teams together. He didn’t have to break the bank, he just had to pay them a LITTLE more. The dude cared far more about winning disputes with other people than he cared about winning at baseball.

                • 5Aces Aug 20,2014 10:09 pm || Up

                  But that is all of Baseball then. If you go back and read Ball Four it seems like child’s play. The owners could have said we are going to double the base salary and put in some other minor tweaks and most of the players would have rode off into the sunset with smiles on their faces.It isnt like he was the only owner who was spending the least amount he could.

                  Now the one thing I will wonder about is the insurance annuity payment to Catfish. That seems not only cheap, but stupid to miss it. And if he doesn’t how does that change everything else? Is he enough to push us past the Sox in ’75? I dont know, but it certainly wouldnt have made us worse.

                  Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
  16. doctorK Aug 19,2014 4:46 pm

    I guess Big Popup is good for something.

  17. the llama Aug 19,2014 6:22 pm

    Anybody hanging out in the lot before the game? I’ve got some time to kill

  18. Glorious Mundy Aug 19,2014 6:37 pm

    How does the litigation do that exactly?

    Five years later, and with just a few months left in office, Selig acknowledged that current litigation wipes out chances of having the A’s new stadium resolved before he retires.

    • dmoas Aug 19,2014 6:51 pm || Up

      Doesn’t that kind of say a lot of about the legality of what they’re doing?

    • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 19,2014 6:53 pm || Up

      Because even if he decreed that San Jose was off limits forever, the lawsuit would remain in play past Selig’s retirement date. I suppose that’s not true if he were to decree that San Jose was open to the A’s, except for the inevitable (and doomed) Oakland countersuit. Another clue that MLB ain’t letting the A’s go to San Jose.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • 5Aces Aug 19,2014 7:39 pm || Up

        Well it also wouldnt stop Lew from making a deal with Oak and/or AC to get the land and build at the Coliseum. Yes the odds of that happening before he retires are close to zero, but they are not zero.

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • dmoas Aug 19,2014 10:13 pm || Up

        Except such a decree wouldn’t actually keep the A’s out of SJ. It would just have Oakland waste money on an even more nonsensical suit than the SJ one. So not a clue of anything.

  19. AV Aug 20,2014 9:56 am

    i confess that since the world cup, sbn/soccer has been in my browser memory and it’s been ever so easy to gravitate there to fact check (and mood check) what i read in the argentine press. it’s time to make a stand though. but i don’t have a better US-english morning clearinghouse of soccer news. anybody can helpz?

    *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • MikeV Aug 20,2014 10:27 am || Up

      I recall Grantland having some decent stuff, but I’m not completely sure.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • AV Aug 20,2014 10:46 am || Up

        i see soccer columns there but not a lot of news news.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • MikeV Aug 20,2014 10:51 am || Up

          oh, yeah maybe that’s it. One guy does a pretty good EPL recap every week or so I think?

          I’m kind of tired of grantland. Too much long form “look at how much I can spew out” stuff

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

          • Glorious Mundy Aug 20,2014 10:53 am || Up

            I’m convinced that they don’t employ any editors.

          • AV Aug 20,2014 10:55 am || Up

            there’s something odd about grantland’s self-presentation that i can’t get past and i don’t believe a word they say. total design prejudice on my part.

            *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • Glorious Mundy Aug 20,2014 10:31 am || Up

      http://www.theguardian.com/football is the best for me.

      Very England-centric of course, but they also have the big stuff from around the world.

      • AV Aug 20,2014 10:37 am || Up

        thanks.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  20. nevermoor Aug 20,2014 10:14 am

    Eek.

    California

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  21. Glorious Mundy Aug 20,2014 10:24 am

    Reader email from Magary’s “Why Your Team Sucks” on the Rams:

    The Rams don’t serve Coke or Pepsi at the Edward Jones Dome, they serve RC Cola.

    Can this be true?

    • colin Aug 20,2014 10:46 am || Up

      I clicked over to the “Why Your Team Sucks” about the Raiders. No one has posted this quote yet??

      Mark Davis’ hair makes Donald Trump’s hair look like John Stamos’ hair.

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 20,2014 11:02 am || Up

        I read that, and found it amusing, but as a season ticket holder I have a hard time getting past the tired old “get shanked in the parking lot” trope. I recognize where it comes from and why it’s so enduring, but it’s simply not true and hasn’t been for a long time. You’re in no more danger in a Raider parking lot than you are in any other NFL city.

        Now Candlestick, that parking lot was the Terrordome.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • dmoas Aug 20,2014 11:24 am || Up

          It’s really really hard to lose a stigma like that. Extremely, unfairly hard. The city of Oakland on the whole is sort of in the same situation. (Unlike Raiders fans) they don’t help themselves much at all, but it’s the same negative stigma that isn’t terribly true anymore but it’s still stuck in the general consciousness.

  22. Glorious Mundy Aug 20,2014 10:55 am

    A hearty “go fuck yourselves!” to the creators of this list.

    • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 20,2014 11:04 am || Up

      Yeah, total BS, survey appears to be about how you preconceive the various places rather than one’s actual experiences travelling there.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • AV Aug 20,2014 11:17 am || Up

        mrs AV has a 1978 cutlass supreme in her hands that she’s in the process of selling. the other day she goes to los gatos to visit a friend, decides to take said oldsmo for a test. pumping gas in the south bay, an older than 50s gentleman comes up to her.

        — “nice car.”
        — “yeah, going to sell it soon.”
        — “better hurry. second most popular car to get stolen… so don’t take it to oakland.”
        — “HUH?”
        — “they like those.”
        — “they who? i live in oakland.”
        — “blacks.”

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
        • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 20,2014 11:46 am || Up

          Groan. So much fail. The most frequently stolen cars are 1990s Hondas and Toyotas.

          Also, you don’t have to be black to love Cuttys (AN link warning):

          Following Susan was easier than I thought. Turned out she drove a green-and-gold metalflake ’88 Cutlass Supreme with a crushed velvet Kelly green interior, rolling on 22″ rims. A StreetGlow green neon frame lit the custom plates: SLUSSIN’.

          "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
          • dmoas Aug 20,2014 11:50 am || Up

            Wait. Is that for real? Is that actually the car she drives?

            • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 20,2014 12:54 pm || Up

              Yes. And Stomper really lives with Brad Halsey in the football camera shack on top of the third deck.

              "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
              • dmoas Aug 20,2014 12:59 pm || Up

                (I didn’t go to your AN link).

                • Englishmajor Aug 20,2014 1:09 pm || Up

                  It’s Peanutball, dmoas.

                • dmoas Aug 20,2014 2:24 pm || Up

                  No idea what that is.

                • ptbnl Aug 20,2014 7:57 pm || Up

                  It’s a triumph of modern literature, that’s what it is.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 20,2014 8:36 pm || Up

                  Aw, shucks.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • ptbnl Aug 20,2014 9:16 pm || Up

                  Unfortunately my link to the full version is dead now and I don’t have an easy alternative yet, or I’d repost for those who missed it before.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • dmoas Aug 20,2014 11:25 am || Up

        For better or worse, perception is reality. How else do you explain the GOP still being relevant?

        • AV Aug 20,2014 11:39 am || Up

          through the manipulation of fear-mongering perceptions in spite of reality.

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  23. elcroata Aug 21,2014 1:16 am
    Because survival is insufficient
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 21,2014 7:50 am || Up
      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • MikeV Aug 21,2014 9:06 am || Up

      Saw that a few days ago. One of the best saves I’ve ever seen.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

  24. elcroata Aug 21,2014 5:53 am
    Because survival is insufficient
  25. elcroata Aug 21,2014 8:02 am
    Because survival is insufficient
    • AV Aug 21,2014 9:08 am || Up

      you could tell that’s what he wanted, and you could tell he was sad when it didn’t work out with PSG, but now he has said the actual words that he wants to leave.

      doesn’t matter. he’ll be great wherever.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • AV Aug 21,2014 9:49 am || Up
        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
    • AV Aug 22,2014 9:34 am || Up

      angelito scratched from the supercopa final today. world wants to know, IS HE TRANSFERRED??

      gascoine…

      and mario goes to liverpool.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  26. FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 21,2014 9:12 am

    A’s considering spot start in Houston for Chavez or Pomeranz; would mean top four starters all pitch in the 8/28-31 series in d’Anaheim.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Soaker Aug 21,2014 9:19 am || Up

      Somebody learnt something from the Mariners.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  27. FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 21,2014 2:31 pm

    After wincing through the hard truths in the Raiders edition, I naturally enjoyed the Why Your Team Sucks Niners edition quite a bit.

    I worked upwards of fifty games at Candlestick over the years, first as a paramedic in the early 2000’s and then as a cop. Every year, that place got worse. The stadium itself was literally covered in mold. People would be so drunk/high/what-have-you that their pants would be falling off or they would just decide to whip their penises out and pee in Bud Light Plaza before kickoff. You would step in vomit at least twice a game and see two men in a knife fight in the parking lot both wearing niner jerseys without fail.

    People think that the new stadium is going to clean out the riffraff from the crowd, because it’s in San Louis Obispo and crazy expensive. They are right. It will, for exactly one season. Then, when nobody goes to that place because of the nightmare it will be going to and from it, the Niners will have some crazy cheap seat deal and it will be Dirt Weed Thunderdome again. People will be throwing ninja stars at Seahawks fans from the upper decks. Mark my word.

    Our coach was on Saved by the Bell.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • MikeV Aug 21,2014 2:58 pm || Up

      it’s like I always say, there’s nothing like a horrific knee injury gif inserted into the middle of an article in slow montion that you can’t stop.

      Fuck that.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

    • doctorK Aug 21,2014 3:55 pm || Up

      They should be named the San Francisco 49ers of Santa Clara via San Mateo.

      • MikeV Aug 21,2014 7:10 pm || Up

        Is this the part where I bring up the Raiders HQ being in Alameda?

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 23,2014 10:30 pm || Up

          It’s the part where Fuck the Raiders.

    • doctorK Aug 21,2014 3:58 pm || Up

      Also, this one:

      During the end of Candlestick Park (which was a god awful shithole of concrete and frozen human sadness) the Niners kept trotting out Eddie DeBartolo to thunderous applause. It’s like everyone forgot he was caught in a felony investigation involving paying bribes to open a god damn riverboat casino. If you add a ghost costume in the mix, he was basically brought down by a Scooby-doo plot.

      • nevermoor Aug 21,2014 4:09 pm || Up

        If Raiders fans can love a near-dead sea monster who only drafts fast players with no football skills and delights in screwing the city of Oakland, I’m not sure why we shouldn’t love a high-roller who put together some of the deepest teams in NFL history by opening his wallet even for backups to backups, and then lied/cheated/stole to keep doing it when the NFL put in a salary cap. The riverboat thing is just a symptom of the same disease.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • doctorK Aug 21,2014 4:37 pm || Up

          So basically, if my guy lies, cheats, steals, etc to win, YAY!, but if your guy does the same, FK HIM!

          • nevermoor Aug 21,2014 4:53 pm || Up

            DeBartolo did exactly what A’s fans dream about: opened his wallet, assembled dream teams, and dominated for the better part of a decade. As part of his irrational spending habits, he also bribed people got get a casino open (which is probably how every riverboat casino ever gets approved). Also, the only harm to the Niners from the riverboat thing is that we lost a great owner.

            Not sure how that equates to screwing the city of oakland, ruining the coliseum, and drafting fast talentless football players. But if that’s the Raiders fans’ dream, they sure got it!

            Now, explain to me again why we shouldn’t love Steinbrenner DeBartolo?

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • elcroata Aug 21,2014 10:13 pm || Up

              Fixed it for you

              Because survival is insufficient
              • nevermoor Aug 22,2014 9:34 am || Up

                Never had any problem understanding why Yankees fans loved Steinbrenner.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • dmoas Aug 21,2014 4:09 pm || Up

        And he would have gotten away with it if it hadn’t been for those damn kids!

        • doctorK Aug 21,2014 4:38 pm || Up

          De Bartolo should’ve brought more Scooby Snacks.

    • batgirl Aug 22,2014 10:27 am || Up

      I got some chuckles out of the Broncos one, including my favorite part:

      And they basically ran Jake Plummer out of town, which is why poor Jake is a weirdo bearded handball player now.

    • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 23,2014 10:30 pm || Up

      Throwing ninja stars at Seahawks fans sounds like a solution, not a problem.

  28. nowBodhi Aug 21,2014 2:33 pm
    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
    • Future Ed Aug 21,2014 2:44 pm || Up

      jarrod parker and AJ griffin out for year.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • dmoas Aug 21,2014 2:50 pm || Up

        Yes. But OUCH! Impact to the team? Fuck them. Sympathy for the injury on an individual level? Hands down Richards.

        • Future Ed Aug 21,2014 3:03 pm || Up

          cc sabbathia, tanaka, the braves rotation, the entire rangers team

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • dmoas Aug 21,2014 3:08 pm || Up

            Well, they also lost Skaggs. Pretty sure Richards has the single most gruesome/painful injury of them all so far (non-head injury division).

            • Future Ed Aug 21,2014 3:16 pm || Up

              they lost their best pitcher for 6 starts

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • dmoas Aug 21,2014 3:43 pm || Up

                Yes. But OUCH! Impact to the team? Fuck them. Sympathy for the injury on an individual level? Hands down Richards.

                Not sure what about that requires trying to convince me others, including us, have had it worse wrt injuries?

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 21,2014 4:18 pm || Up

                  It is a skillful defense attorney who can mitigate the impact of a victim’s injuries while not appearing to be an insensitive prick.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • dmoas Aug 21,2014 4:56 pm || Up

                  So you’re saying Ed has no skillz?

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 21,2014 5:42 pm || Up

                  Quite the contrary, if I’m ever on the verge of arrest I’m leading a high speed chase into Ed’s jurisdiction so he can represent me.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • Future Ed Aug 21,2014 6:45 pm || Up

                  just because we saw it. and legs hold us upright. I don’t think it was any less gruesome than an arm injury

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Future Ed Aug 21,2014 6:46 pm || Up

                  more. more gruesome

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • dmoas Aug 21,2014 11:09 pm || Up

                  Those arm injuries were just the result of soreness that wasn’t going to go away. It’s a lot different than your knee randomly not being a knee anymore. It’s much more reminiscent of those handful of pitchers who’s elbows imploded mid pitch.

              • James V. Aug 21,2014 6:27 pm || Up

                And, likely, part of early next season, but right now it’s much more important to the end of this season.

  29. nowBodhi Aug 21,2014 5:11 pm

    I need 3 miracle tickets for Saturday. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance <3

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
  30. doctorK Aug 21,2014 5:50 pm

    So after getting a successful protest, the Gnats still couldn’t beat the Cubs. This despite the fact the Cubs hit only one ball into the outfield after the 4th inning.

  31. AV Aug 21,2014 5:56 pm

    no hits, no errors, no balls, 1hbp, no runs… is there a name for that? (besides boston sux?)

    *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  32. elcroata Aug 22,2014 7:27 am

    The best tax on stupidity ever

    As it is in German and only briefly describes the product, lemme explain. The Bio people found the new area of danger – the bar codes. They are actually antennas, you know, and they absorb the radiation out of the environment and redirect it into your food and drink. And then, when additionally activated by the laser scanner, the radiation is even much, much higher. To combat that, you have to draw a line across the bar code. But, you can’t use just any marking device to do that. You MUST use the CodeEx Barcode-harmonizer, because it has some chip in it or something.

    Seriously, this is fucking awesome.

    Monkeyball made a perfect comment on my FB page:

    I got an immunization against toxic barcode load, but then my autism made me stare directly into the barcode laser at the grocery.

    {which I hereby nominate for a tagline}

    Because survival is insufficient
  33. nowBodhi Aug 22,2014 12:35 pm

    It’s Friday, August 22nd… time for a 35th anniversary excursion through the Jamaican outback for a house call with the Bush Doctor!! Recorded 8/22/1979 in Hempstead’s Calderone Theater by WLIR-FM, here comes a pristine hour-and-a-half pre-FM splifftacular soiree with Peter Tosh and his band Word, Sound & Power. Blog over, pull it down, take a pull off the chalice of your choosing, and start off the weekend “Blessed Up” Rasta with as killer a late-’70s reggae jam as you’ll likely come across :P

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
  34. Glorious Mundy Aug 22,2014 2:59 pm
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 22,2014 3:04 pm || Up

      Oxymoron of the day: “…an organic marketing ploy for Starbucks.”

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • Glorious Mundy Aug 22,2014 3:22 pm || Up

        I lost it at “[name], a blogger,…” Just so perfect for some reason.

      • Future Ed Aug 22,2014 3:23 pm || Up

        those fukers at fastrak ruined christmas for everyone

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • nevermoor Aug 22,2014 3:37 pm || Up

          I do have fond memories of giving the guy at the GGB an extra ticket from those old commuter ticket books for the next car.

          But I actually have some sympathy for the guy breaking the line. Not sure whether I’d do it myself (and I certainly wouldn’t brag about it on my blog), but I am sure I would want to.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • Future Ed Aug 22,2014 3:45 pm || Up

            tolls are all the same, its a little different.

            But yeah, I would not pay it forward in most of my moods. I distrust people’s words too much. I don’t know what the barista is actually going to do with my $3.50.

            Not that I particularly care, but I don’t want to get taken.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • dmoas Aug 22,2014 3:50 pm || Up

            I’d break it. Easily. And I’d probably not even know I’m breaking it.

          • Englishmajor Aug 22,2014 4:30 pm || Up

            My first Christmas in California, I crossed the GGB, stopped at the toll booth, and the guy in front of me, driving a red convertible, handed the toll taker a ticket, then handed her a baguette. Peak Marin.

            And yeah, the guy was well within his rights to break the magical Pay It Forward chain, but he gets a CWAA for going on and on about it.

    • doctorK Aug 22,2014 3:10 pm || Up

      Now, if we could just get someone to prominently put an end the ice bucket challenges…

      • Soaker Aug 22,2014 4:08 pm || Up

        Please!

        What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • Ben Folds' Nuts Aug 23,2014 10:53 pm || Up

        Yeah, it’s so lame the way they’re raising tens of millions of dollars for researching a cure to a terrible disease. How awful.

    • andeux Aug 22,2014 3:49 pm || Up

      Can I have $5?

      TINSTAAFK
    • Glorious Mundy Aug 23,2014 9:32 am || Up

  35. FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 22,2014 6:20 pm

    This is a fantastic article about the story behind the famous Marichel-Roseboro photo.

    http://deadspin.com/what-baseballs-most-famous-brawl-photo-didnt-show-you-1625569916

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Englishmajor Aug 25,2014 11:26 am || Up

      The author of the book was in SF in July and gave a talk– I missed out on interviewing him because it was when I was in Minnesota.

  36. doctorK Aug 22,2014 6:54 pm

    I’d have to say, after watching a couple minutes of tonight’s Raiders game, that another 4-12 is coming.

  37. Future Ed Aug 22,2014 7:07 pm
    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Soaker Aug 22,2014 7:25 pm || Up

      I didn’t and don’t buy A’s to Nashville, Brewers to Fresno with Mets staying in Las Vegas. That doesn’t make sense for anyone. That said, it sounds like there’s going to be a pretty good shakeup this year. I still think A’s to Las Vegas is a possibility, and Albuquerque wouldn’t be horrible. This will all be settled in late September.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • 5Aces Aug 23,2014 11:12 am || Up

        From the minor league team standpoint if the Grizzlies don’t go after the A’s they are crazy, especially if the Dodgers are off the market. There is always a contingent of A’s fans at games, and the recent run of success has made them come out of the woodwork even more. At the Taco Truck Throwdown last week I saw more A’s caps than ever, and having a winner here would be an even bigger draw.

        Now if the A’s dont want to deal with a MiL franchise that is always 1 step from going belly up that throws a wrench into it, but my guess is it would actually be a good relationship. (and this is actually me trying to be objective-I doubt the half season plan I would buy makes a huge difference by itself..)

        Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
        • Soaker Aug 23,2014 11:51 am || Up

          If the A’s sign with Fresno it would most likely be a 2-year agreement, with an eye toward exploring their opportunities again in the 2016 renewal period. Just thinking about it geographically, and assuming Sacramento is out: A major league park isn’t doable in Portland, but an AAA park might be; there’s not much invested in that Hillsboro short season park. Las Vegas might have a new park in the pipeline by then, and for ease of getting players to the big leagues on short notice Vegas is better than Fresno. The current agreements in Reno and Salt Lake expire in 2016; the Reno ownership might prefer the A’s to the D’Backs but I don’t know about having your AAA team play in a launching pad like that.

          What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
  38. nevermoor Aug 25,2014 10:44 am

    Bleg: there was a story on NPR this morning about a local mayor trying to enact a sunshine ordinance to preserve his legacy, but I joined the story too late to know which mayor (and can’t find it online).

    Can anyone hepl?

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  39. Englishmajor Aug 25,2014 11:22 am

    That ray of sunshine would be Chuck Reed, who apparently has done a good job in this respect when he isn’t too busy banging his head against MLB’s wall. You can’t find it online because KQED doesn’t archive newscast stories any more, because the wise ones who run our interactive department say that’s not how people use online media in 2014. If the reporter had had the spare time to write a blog post about it, you would be able to find it that way, but he didn’t. But fortunately it was one of the pieces I quality-checked on Friday.

    • dmoas Aug 25,2014 11:46 am || Up

      What on earth is a sunshine ordinance?

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Aug 25,2014 11:52 am || Up
        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • dmoas Aug 25,2014 12:28 pm || Up

          That… didn’t exactly explain much. Is it just an increased public information access thing?

          • nevermoor Aug 25,2014 12:58 pm || Up

            Yes. There is a state law on what people can request. That law allows any agency/city/etc. to expand its default rights.

            Sunshine ordinances are the colloquial for attempts to do so.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • nevermoor Aug 25,2014 11:56 am || Up

      My hero!

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"

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