| Crisp, CF | ||||||||
| Lowrie, SS | ||||||||
| Donaldson, 3B | ||||||||
| Moss, 1B | ||||||||
| Cespedes, LF | ||||||||
| Callaspo, DH | ||||||||
| Jaso, C | ||||||||
| Reddick, RF | ||||||||
| Sogard, 2B |
| Almonte, A, CF | ||||||||
| Miller, B, SS | ||||||||
| Cano, 2B | ||||||||
| Smoak, 1B | ||||||||
| Seager, 3B | ||||||||
| Morrison, DH | ||||||||
| Ackley, LF | ||||||||
| Saunders, M, RF | ||||||||
| Buck, C |
gray v. ramirez
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I heart Coco.
i wuz peeing. did he bunt on?
Chopper, fielded by Smoak halfway down the line. Crisp ran right past him, and then laughed about it after he was safe.
i heart josh!
That was crushed. But JD has got to stop admiring all his shots…you could see why Perkins felt the need to yell at him the other day.
Yeah, Cespedes needs to tell him to tone it down.
nice.
Would’ve been out by a mile if he threw home.
so… didn’t want to say anything during the barton play, but… he was thinking of throwing home then didn’t, right? any chance the new rule is making players second-guess themselves on this? here too?
Donaldson didn’t even look home.
Maybe but the Barton play is unrelated because Barton bobbled the ball at first so he had no play at home. Barton was confused about throwing to second or getting the out at first.
7 players in tonight’s Astros lineup are hitting < .200
Really not minding Callaspo full time at DH. Steamer and ZiPS both project wRC+ around 115 for him.
That’s still below average for a DH though, right? My guess is that a full season of 115 wRC+ from your DH would be like 1 WAR.
League average production for a DH has been around 110-115 wRC+ the last three years. It’s not ideal but I think he’s the best option given what we have.
How awful does Reddick have to be to hit himself out of the lineup?
Pretty awful, Ray. (Hopefully Kittenface makes it moot by playing Reddick out of the lineup.
Rick Waits has a quality mustache.
Shouldn’t that have been a balk on Ramirez?
waaaaa tff?
If this is that new “catch/transfer” rule, I’m going to guess this Moss fly ball is not a catch.
I get that the new rule is fking stupid but enough with the shitty baserunning.
Guess it doesn’t matter. One way or another Moss is out.
And it’s all gravy since the previous pitch to Moss probably should have been called strike 3.
pragmatic approach.
So, yeah. Ruled a single, Moss called out for passing Donaldson who went back to 1B because he thought it was a catch and out.
Because the ump had signal a catch.
That update to the rule is beyond stupid. They need to fix that and NOT wait until the end of the season to do so.
yes
Don’t pass the guy ahead of you is a pretty easy rule to follow…
BOOBIES
Also, this transfer rule is stupid and confusing to the base runners.
It’s infuriatingly stupid. And hurts the offense in a big way.
Clearly a catch based on the sane person rules of the last 150 years…
Absofuckinglutely.
This is why the catch/transfer rule is so stupid. In the past that’s a basic out, runner goes back to 1B. Now they don’t know.
Runners don’t know because they’re left trying to think fast: “Is it a catch, or did he not transfer it cleanly?” Too confusing.
Even worse would be had Donaldson just gone to second and then they throw to first and double him up. And then the review upholds it. It’s a fking no win situation for the runner.
Yeah. Whoever came up with this rule is a fucking idiot.
And needs to dragged out on the street and shot.
Donaldson did exactly what’s been done for ages: saw a catch, immediately ran back to 1B. You can’t wait to see if it’s bobbled.
And it WAS NOT bobbled. He simply dropped it on the transfer which is near impossible to tell while running the bases.
Right. What are runners supposed to do, just stop and wait to see if the outfielder comes up with it cleanly? No. By the time the umpire’s made a decision, the runner’s already had to make up his mind first.
Exactly. And what happens if he continues and the umps believe it’s a catch?
I agree that the rule interpretation is dumb, but Donaldson needs to look at the ump.
On the replay, you see him run (backwards) right past the ump who is signalling no catch.
How long is the transfer drop =/= catch in effect? If there are multiple runners on base, theoretically couldn’t the outfielder “catch” it, run back to the infield, drop it and then get a double play?
Leave it to the Rays to try it out.
Tango mentioned that possibility. A teammate would maybe have to knock it out so it wouldn’t be voluntary. Any manager who put that play on to make a point and then argued for 10 minutes would be a hero.
intentional release is in the rule. even if it’s a release toward the ground, i’d argue.
See, when transferring the ball to your hand, that’s intentional release.
TWHS
curses!
TWSS?
This is kind of an interesting look at something we all hate.
Punto’s first rule of headfirst sliding: Don’t do it
Can’t give Reddick extra chances…
He almost made them pay.
The A’s, that is.
If I drop the bong lighting it, does it still count as a hit? Or do I lose my hit in the botched transfer?
i don’t know. but you better get some fabreeze.
It’s been several decades since my last living room bongwater spill, but the smell is seared into my olfactory memory like it was just last week.
worst smell ever.
I was once witness to a dorm room spill in North Carolina which included not only a three foot bong, but also a mostly full 16 ounce plastic cup used as a spittoon. That was a Nerf basketball lesson I never forgot.
was it 16 guys all spitting one ounce, or 1 guy accumulating the whole thing? only asking to ascertain level of moldiness floating on top.
One primary resident plus assorted occasional spitting guests.
no no it was just a hypothetical. I am clumsy but not bong clumsy.
You’ll need to consult with Colin Kaepernick regarding bong issues.
LMAO. Well played, sir. Well played.
Big fight night. I’m a total sucker for a hyped would-be Fight Of The Year…not enough of a sucker to spend the $70 PPV, mind you. But enough of a sucker to look for free streams. I was thinking Pacquiao might be over the hill before his last fight, but he looked sharp in vanquishing that tomato can. Tim Bradley is no tomato can, could be a good one. Winner angling for a shot at Mayweather (that in Manny’s case should have happened four years ago when they were both at their awesomest, but we lovers of blood sport will take what we can get).
Through 4 rounds now and this fight is delivering, Bradley is standing right up and throwing bombs, not ducking Pacq at all. Very good fight so far.
9 rounds in, 3 left, and Pacq is pulling away a bit. Still has his tremendous hand speed to go with boxing savvy. Bradley probably needs a knockout now, chances don’t look good.
Convincing unanimous decision for Pacquiao, really only got hurt once by Bradley early, in clear control the rest of the way. I still say Floyd takes him apart though, if the fight everyone wants to see finally gets made. Which it won’t, since boxing rarely fails to fail to deliver for its fans (most of whom are old enough to get Odd Couple references).
Ken and VC raving about strike 3 to Cano
This is the part where I wonder if not taking advantage of this pitcher’s crappiness is going to come back to haunt.
To no one’s surprise, the Astros blow a one run lead in the 9th against the Rangers.
Looks like Choice with his first big league homer.
well… the astros never play that well in texas.
heh
I can guarantee I will not be at that game on May 10th.
WHAT THE FUCK HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU STILL THIS CLUELESS
Watch the fking umpires!
(And you too Waller.)
(This was what pissed me off even more than Cespedes not looking. Gallego had it all the way but he was on the other side of the field.)
wow
Yeah, this catch/transfer rule needs to go away, even if Cespedes was asleep on the play. But you can bet after this, the A’s will be spending more time talking about this rule. Tye Waller didn’t say anything either.
The rule is stupid but this is the third time this has happened to the A’s already. They cannot continue to be this brainless.
It’s not like baserunning blunders are new to this team.
You’re talking about a lifetime of baseball being played under the more intuitive ruling at all levels and suddenly being asked to changing every natural instinct you have. Somehow I don’t see that as being anywhere near as simple as you suggest. And it just highlights just how insanely idiotic the change is.
It’s about the same thing as the NBA’s change this year to calling delay of game whenever a team scores and one of their players touches the ball before the other team gets it to inbound. Some fans complained that it was pointless and just slowed the game down to call the technical foul, but some players did intentionally touch the ball to delay the inbounds.
After a little while, players figured it out and pretty much stopped. It’s going to be the same thing with this rule, I hope, unless MLB wakes up and gets rid of it first.
Agree 100%. Really hard to blame anyone for these.
i’m slightly trying to keep in in context by comparing to how much the blogosphere exploded with furor when the infield fly rule was introduced.
Um. There was no blogoshere when they introduced that.
Way to kill the joke.
Your welcome.
Way too suck at grammer.
i’m glad you know joke CPR.
I don’t agree. Watching the play for a half second longer than usual doesn’t require “instincts”, it requires a couple of brain cells. I’d understand it if this is the first time it’s happened, but it’s three times now, twice in this game. MLB is always going to do stupid shit. Whine about it all you want but you still have to deal with it until it’s changed.
Yep.
It’s all about reaction. Most of what happens on the field is NOT a matter of thinking. You think between plays, but during the play, it’s repetition and instincts. You could wait a few more seconds, but that’s not going to change the overall thought process of “It’s a catch, I’ve got to go back.” It’s not something that happens every day, in every game, that you can retrain yourself quickly on.
Running the bases when you’re already on…I buy the instincts argument. Not when you’re the batter and you’re just jogging to first with no one on.
In fairness, I can’t speak to the actual play since I missed the last one. I was speaking only terms of the situation created by the rule change in a general sense. I should have prefaced my comment with that.
Somewhere between 99 and 100% of players are thinking “shit I flied out” as they run to first, and 0-1% are thinking “Oh but there’s this crazy new rule I better keep watching.” That might change at some point, but it’s not a reasonable expectation right now.
My opinion is that two recent previous failures should be enough to get the players thinking “I better keep watching”. I’d be curious to know what you’d approve of as the number of failures the players are allowed before this starts becoming an exasperation.
I expect it to be a topic of discussion for the whole team after the game.
I hope so, base coaches included.
on the moss doandson one, he is already at second when ackley gets up with the ball in his glove. if he waits or looks over his shoulder he is double off 1st if ackey gets it out of his glove
Exactly. You have to get back right away there, but the other problem is if your 1B coach alerts you to what’s going on, you may get stuck out at 2B anyway by the time the ball’s back in.
I would view that as like a prediction though (and not a good one) rather than a criticism. You can’t really decide what to think about most of the time. No one is thinking about what they should be thinking about as they run to first base. Like I said, they’re thinking “shit a fly out.” I’ll be more exasperated after this game when there will be a presumably hard team rule about running to first base.
xcept that’s not instinct. it’s the xact opposite, learned behavior. the “routine” play that over time you learn to predict how it ends.
Exactly. Complaints along the lines of “he was stupid for swinging at that pitch” also strike me as (weirdly) wrong to the extent the complaints are about the player making a stupid mental error.
That one is all fraction-of-a-second
instinctreaction.Running the bases is more a mix of thinking and reacting. Even without the rule change, is the speed difference from running back with your head down rather than head up on Donaldson’s play (for example) enough to make up for not noticing when something weird happens?
He’s not thinking about baserunning in that situation, because his brain is not telling him that anything salient with regard to baserunning is going on in the play.
he is out at first if its a catch if he is looking up.
if its no catch and he is only goes half way, and he is looking up while retreating, he is out at second when he stops and tries to go there
i don’t know about this one thqt you are talking about, but i just wached the moss ackley one. that is a mother fucking catch
1) It’s more than half a second.
2) No one is going to be thinking about that rule every time they hit a fly ball, and to the extent that they do, it would absolutely be instinct. I would sort of blame him a little for being lazy and not running out an out, but it (at least initially) is just not going to occur to anyone that they might be safe after a fielder catches the ball, and that has nothing to do with being smart or stupid. No one has a brain that is running through every weird thing that might happen while playing in a baseball game.
He got no help from his 1B coach, but yeah, don’t stop running (aka – the Tejada doctrine).
And apparently, Ackley is a brutal LFer.
Ugh, Reddick has that Marvin Benard thing going with his batting helmet.
In the sense that both wear them to impersonate being MLB hitters?
I’m so confused.
drink.
Heh.
love her so.
She needs to do a scathing piece on the utter idiocy of the transfer rule.
First thing I thought of was soccer to be honest
Thanks, and go As.
At least the A’s didn’t have the contact play on.
Donaldson held up. Bad call.
Maybe we should have instant replay on check swings too, hey?
That would require having a rule that clarified what is a swing and what isn’t. Which is not such a bad idea in itself.
there’s really not a rule?
I think that’s all.
The check swing has always been left to interpretation, hasn’t it? They talk about the bat crossing the plate but I’ve also heard it said that the way the body’s moving can also factor in.
Draw a line across the middle of the plate and then say if the bat head crosses it, it’s a swing.
Easy enough.
Easy. Not necessarily good, but easy.
Imperfect of a rule for sure. But at least then it would be patently cut and dry.
You’d think, right? You could even set up a camera along that line on both sides and have the review ump be the appeal ump there with a light.
The problem I’ve got with it being judged by the 1B or 3B umpire is their angle has never been exact with the front of the plate. Umpire long enough and you can pretty much eyeball it but being exactly perpendicular to the batter is the best possible spot.
would standing deeper in the box change the angle enough some batters get more swing time till crossing that line?
also, ellington.
Yeah, probably. Most batters stay back in the box to give them that extra millionth of a second or so, anyway.
Absolutely. It may be a case where you have an angled line that the rule would be passing the parallel of that line. Or you could just let that be an advantage/disadvantage for the sake of clarity. But at least then it would be static and visible.
(There is a comment after 9.02 (c) that details the mechanics of appealing to the base umpire on a “half swing,” but still doesn’t say anything about what the criterion for swing or no swing is.)
yeah, i’m reading that one, and that’s as close as it gets. looked for “offer” too. not much there.
Sonny is definitely the best part of this game.
It’s beyond obvious by now the Mariners can’t handle a bit of Sonny in Seattle.
This game is still too close for comfort – and way closer than it should be.
Wouldn’t mind Doolittle for the 9th…
Jose Valverde blew a 3 run lead, had two outs no one on…
ok gentry. let’s see what you do.
I like Gregerson, but I’d rather see Doolittle or Otero here. Gregerson more likely to start walking people and/or give up a HR.
you’re not right. but you’re not wrong.
CRAIG GENTRY SIGHTING
Thanks, and go As.
Seager done got GENTRIFIED
Melvin playing the lefty/righty angle all the way here. I like.
committee meeting.
hasn’t Luke pitched to a pair of lefties?
Thanks, and go As.
Well, Melvin brought him in for the righty PH. Guess he could have let Doolittle have the shot at Bloomquist with Ackley and Saunders both being lefties.
I mean.. It’s Bloomquist.
Thanks, and go As.
WFB
$48.08 +.037 (+.078%)
Someone doesn’t understand the context of blown saves counting for relievers even when they’re not in a closing role.
Yep.
Ask her how many holds he has.
Looks like she deleted the tweet.
Think before you tweet kids.
Can’t be an A’s game without some 9th inning drama.
For real tho, that slider is fuckin nasty
Thanks, and go As.
the two hits came on balls out of the zone according to phone at bat
Excellent!
LUKE USES THE FORCE
wooo! back in first.
Victory, and back to first place, bitches.
Yay.
yessssssssssssssssss.
let’s go mets…
… for no good reason that I can discern.
he is right.
I agree. When I first heard about it I thought it was only supposed to have to do with stuff like turning a double play at second base, not a routine freaking catch in the outfield.
Ackelys and Hamilton’s were 100% catch and just flubbing the transfer
Except that when the umpire has his arms spread out it’s not a catch. If I’m alert enough to see that from the stands the baserunner, or at least the base coaches, should pick up the same thing. It’s being called that way for now, better get used to it.
The whole thing reminds me of when the pitchers’ one-second pause at the set position was strictly enforced for about two months. The A’s staff set the all-time record for balks. As the season went along the umpiring gradually drifted back to the more lenient interpretation.
The replay of that showed the 1B ump (presumably) near the edge of the infield close to where the 2B would normally be, and yes he’s waving his arms to signal no catch but Donaldson’s running straight back toward 1B there with both the ump and Moss off to the side.
Yeah, they have to get used to it, but that sounds like Donaldson had tunnel vision on just getting back to 1B and had no idea Moss was not actually out at that point. Plus, it seems that was twice tonight that Tye Waller didn’t help his runners out by alerting them to anything.
Good. Now get even more vocal about it and call for a
changefix.As shared by Jane Lee, more from Donaldson:
Essentially, MLB has decided a catch is now not a catch until the fielder completely takes the ball OUT of his glove without dropping it.
I’d love to see someone make the catch for the final out of the inning then jog in toward the infield and drop it while tossing it to a fan.
Or an outfielder with the bases loaded come into the infield, drop it, then turn three.
Yeah, what’s the length of time to complete a valid transfer? This must be tested somehow.
We need an outfield fly rule.
Joking aside, if this is the new rule, they’d have to. Which in turn would make the original change even dumber.
What a clusterfuck that’d be. Then nobody will need to actually catch the ball with runners on!
Or, hell, at all given the Cespedes example tonight (which was still more on him and Waller).
Though I can’t really imagine the rule would have such a huge loophole as that. But, what if…
Well, if it’s so ill defined as it is, you could easily protest it if they don’t let you.
It’d be well worth it to make a point.
Absolutely. Get on the twatter and let them know.
Too many words. I’m going to bed instead, and if I fall out while asleep the bed never had me in its full possession.
Or something.
it really slows the game down
madness
Anarchy. He should probably start carrying a gun with him on the field, just in case.
at least a shank made from a toothbrush, if anything
Thanks, and go As.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he already carries one of those.
he better if he knows what’s good for him.
Thanks, and go As.
Anthony Recker puts the Mets back ahead…
With Geren looking on. What with Geren and Valverde as closer it appears the Mets are mostly trying to be a comedy act.
Hey, they already let Bartolo Colon “hit.”
then he shook his moneymaker.
Ha! Rangers and Angels!