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Game 24: Abandon Hope, FKers. 150

I’ll eventually post lineups.

Crisp (DH), Young (CF), Reddick (RF), Lowrie (2B), Donaldson (3B), Norris (C), Frieman (1B), Wells (LF), Rosales (SS)

VS.

Markakis (RF), Machado (3B), Jones (CF), Davis, (1B), Wieters (C), Hardy (SS), Reimold (LF), Pearce (DH), Casilla (2B)

Tommy Milone for the A’s. Wei-Yin Chen for the non-A’s

150 thoughts on “Game 24: Abandon Hope, FKers.

  1. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 7:01 pm

    that Crisp young Reddick, he is lowery than Don Al Son, No rust Freeman row sale S. Milone?

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Jennifer Apr 26,2013 7:05 pm || Up

      Are you high?

    • andeux Apr 26,2013 7:06 pm || Up

      Well, well, well.

      TINSTAAFK
    • AV Apr 26,2013 8:21 pm || Up

      oh. shit.

      i can’t get past this comment. laughing too hard. no strength in left-side pinkie.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  2. Bed Apr 26,2013 7:13 pm

    Frieman, Wells and Rosales playing in the same game? Sounds like a good night to play Pong.

    But seriously, folks....
    • 5Aces Apr 26,2013 7:15 pm || Up

      Youre still playing Pong? I just got Combat! I rule!

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
      • Bed Apr 26,2013 7:17 pm || Up

        (Throws down his controller and goes off for a good cry)

        But seriously, folks....
  3. Bed Apr 26,2013 7:15 pm

    I would like to comment on the Raiders first 3 picks in the only logical way…who the fuck knows?

    But seriously, folks....
  4. andeux Apr 26,2013 7:21 pm

    Chen is not Japanese, you morons.

    TINSTAAFK
    • andeux Apr 26,2013 7:22 pm || Up

      “The Orient, right” says Ray.

      TINSTAAFK
      • Ice Cream Apr 26,2013 7:23 pm || Up

        I love Foss but…it’s time to go.

        Where is the good in "good-bye"?
    • 5Aces Apr 26,2013 7:25 pm || Up

      The tiniest excuse can be that he did pitch there and they could have meant like others pitchers frim the league. They didnt mean it that way..but you could say it.

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • doctorK Apr 26,2013 7:27 pm || Up

      That had me swearing under my breath at how these two could be so FKing stupid.

      • dmoas Apr 26,2013 7:56 pm || Up

        We should complain that they’re rasscist on the twatter to get them both fired.

  5. JamesV Apr 26,2013 7:23 pm

    As Kuiper & Fosse talk about the pause in Japanese pitcher motions, we pause to remind you Wei-Yin Chen is from Taiwan.

  6. 5Aces Apr 26,2013 7:26 pm

    Someone get Josh the ski mask, please.

    Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • andeux Apr 26,2013 7:27 pm || Up

      Apparently Melvin likes the way he’s swinging the bat. Maybe not after that AB though.

      TINSTAAFK
  7. Bed Apr 26,2013 7:30 pm

    Jeffery Loria is telling me what to write for my next two posts.

    But seriously, folks....
    • Bed Apr 26,2013 7:30 pm || Up

      Corporate welfare is awesome…can I get a hell ya!

      But seriously, folks....
      • Bed Apr 26,2013 7:31 pm || Up

        I find nothing relaxes the mind like ripping off taxpayers.

        But seriously, folks....
  8. doctorK Apr 26,2013 7:32 pm

    Can’t we find one pitcher who is competent as a fielder?

  9. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 7:32 pm

    Ah, Ken’s achillies heal. not getting numbers. he thinks the Orioles were just a good team, not lucky, to win the one run games.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Bed Apr 26,2013 7:35 pm || Up

      I think it’s probably a mix of both. The Orioles were good enough to put themselves into position to win those games and yes, sometimes they got lucky.

      But seriously, folks....
  10. doctorK Apr 26,2013 7:35 pm

    Uh Ray, he was a mile off second base. Safe is the correct call.

  11. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 7:35 pm

    Ha! Vince. “Nick name should be ‘Mapquest'”

    gonna have to get with the 2010’s vince

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Bed Apr 26,2013 7:39 pm || Up

      What is this decade called…the teens?

      But seriously, folks....
      • Future Ed Apr 26,2013 7:40 pm || Up

        good question. I suppose.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Bed Apr 26,2013 7:43 pm || Up

          Well, okay…I’ve asked my good question for the year.

          But seriously, folks....
  12. Bed Apr 26,2013 7:48 pm

    Slow down folks…this game thread is moving way too fast.

    But seriously, folks....
  13. Bed Apr 26,2013 7:49 pm

    40-30…John McEnroe on serve. He leads Becker 3-2 in the first set.

    But seriously, folks....
  14. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 7:52 pm

    are the new comments not being accounted for in the side column?

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Bed Apr 26,2013 7:57 pm || Up

      The new comments are being kidnapped by Pretty Boy Floyd.

      But seriously, folks....
  15. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 8:08 pm

    did everyone go to the game?

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  16. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 8:10 pm

    Stupid adam jones

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  17. dmoas Apr 26,2013 8:10 pm

    Ray, if you need a reminder about the dinger story, you’re looking your mind. Get yourself checked out and retire, please.

  18. andeux Apr 26,2013 8:10 pm

    Damn.

    TINSTAAFK
  19. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 8:12 pm

    Need a ruling:

    “Cleared the barrier of Belief”

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  20. dmoas Apr 26,2013 8:16 pm

    Help! A couple of old timers are blocking my view of the game and they won’t shut up!!!

  21. AV Apr 26,2013 8:17 pm

    ok. how’s this thing going?

    *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  22. doctorK Apr 26,2013 8:18 pm

    Somewhere, Earl Weaver just bit a hole in the bench.

  23. dmoas Apr 26,2013 8:28 pm

    Drilled!! Drink!

  24. dmoas Apr 26,2013 8:42 pm

    JFC these two are insufferable.

  25. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 8:46 pm

    six complete innings.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  26. andeux Apr 26,2013 8:46 pm

    Only 72 pitches for Chen.
    Hope abandoned.

    TINSTAAFK
  27. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 8:49 pm

    Gold glove. Not gold shoes

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  28. doctorK Apr 26,2013 8:50 pm

    Schlong – your defensive ability should offset some of your hitting deficiencies. Don’t FK that up, too.

    • Future Ed Apr 26,2013 8:53 pm || Up

      thanks for the run! wait, no, that’s not right.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  29. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 8:58 pm

    wow, a cool call by vince. he seemed shocked by the strike three

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • AV Apr 26,2013 9:00 pm || Up

      did you see the ump?

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
      • Future Ed Apr 26,2013 9:05 pm || Up

        From the sewing room?

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • AV Apr 26,2013 9:13 pm || Up

          no, i think he’s from connecticut.

          *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  30. andeux Apr 26,2013 8:59 pm

    In Chen’s first start against Oakland last year I thought he looked bad, and it was only a matter of time before we started hitting him. Still waiting.

    TINSTAAFK
    • doctorK Apr 26,2013 9:00 pm || Up

      It would be nice if they would actual try to hit, instead of just hacking.

  31. doctorK Apr 26,2013 9:02 pm

    SDI – DRINK

  32. brian.only Apr 26,2013 9:08 pm

    Wait who’s this Casper Wells guy?

  33. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 9:09 pm

    Vince: its not a jewish team, its an israeli team

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • doctorK Apr 26,2013 9:11 pm || Up

      Seriously. Between that and Glen and Ray not knowing the difference between Japanese and Chinese, ugh….

      • Future Ed Apr 26,2013 9:15 pm || Up

        I think the crew is going to have to go to sensitivity training.

        Is the Chinaman buan still on the payroll?

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • PDXAthleticsfan Apr 26,2013 9:17 pm || Up

      Yep – that was atrocious.

      A soliloquy of fresh-sounding ideas which would probably be disastrous.
  34. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 9:12 pm

    Freiman seems very disciplined. good takes. Is he walking any? I am not looking it up. Did he walk in the minors? I am not looking it up

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  35. dmoas Apr 26,2013 9:19 pm

    Yes, Ray. Korach is smarter than you. As is your entire audience. Retire please.

  36. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 9:24 pm

    Cespedes hit a home run today and the A’s can’t score

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • brian.only Apr 26,2013 9:27 pm || Up

      I’m hoping for pie, there’s none in the fridge.

  37. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 9:42 pm

    uhg.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  38. doctorK Apr 26,2013 9:43 pm

    THROW SOME FKIN STRIKES YOU ASSHOLE

  39. bear88 Apr 26,2013 9:44 pm

    Pull Cook now. It’s 2-0.

  40. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 9:44 pm

    oh fuck

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  41. doctorK Apr 26,2013 9:44 pm

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  42. brian.only Apr 26,2013 9:45 pm

    Why is Lowrie @ second?

    • Future Ed Apr 26,2013 9:47 pm || Up

      melvin said on the bomelsho that rosales would play short when he is playing because it is his natural position

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • brian.only Apr 26,2013 9:49 pm || Up

        Isn’t his only strength his super-sub versatility?
        I’m really confused.

      • Bed Apr 26,2013 9:49 pm || Up

        Adam Rosales natural position is to be selling insurance somewhere in Bakersfield.

        But seriously, folks....
  43. Future Ed Apr 26,2013 9:45 pm

    Remember when the A’s had the lead? good times

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  44. brian.only Apr 26,2013 9:46 pm

    So glad they kept Cookie in after he juiced the bases…

  45. Bed Apr 26,2013 9:51 pm

    Well, I guess Beane didn’t get enough outfielders because Young and Reddick suck eggs. We need Cespedes to stay healthy.

    But seriously, folks....
  46. brian.only Apr 26,2013 9:54 pm

    Proper teAse at least guys?

    • brian.only Apr 26,2013 9:55 pm || Up

      There we go!

      • AV Apr 26,2013 9:57 pm || Up

        that tease was the tease of a tease.

        *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  47. doctorK Apr 26,2013 9:55 pm

    At least the A’s now have as many hits as errors…

  48. JamesV Apr 26,2013 9:55 pm

    Is this a good time to point out the only runs the A’s have in two games against the O’s came from a dropped fly ball by Jones?

  49. bear88 Apr 26,2013 9:55 pm

    How did Reddick get his average up to .162 (before that K anyway). He’s been a horrible offensive player since sometime last summer, and now he can’t even field.

    I know he can be a charming guy and all, and I understand guys get off to slow starts. But he’s just a big black hole in the lineup.

    • brian.only Apr 26,2013 9:57 pm || Up

      Well he does play in the ‘black hole’ after all.

    • DFA Apr 26,2013 11:27 pm || Up

      Dan Johnson.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  50. brian.only Apr 26,2013 9:56 pm

    BETTER WIN TOMORROW.

    • AV Apr 26,2013 9:58 pm || Up

      even a tie would be better.

      *i’m* AV. alex vause. put this loon in psych before she hurts someone.
  51. Bed Apr 26,2013 9:57 pm

    I’m getting to the point with Reddick where I just don’t want to watch him anymore.

    But seriously, folks....
    • dmoas Apr 26,2013 10:00 pm || Up

      Me too. Freiman’s giving significantly better ABs than him even if he’s not getting positive results.

    • DFA Apr 26,2013 11:27 pm || Up

      been that way for some time.

      In play, run(s)! Talk dirty to me gamecast, talk dirty. - Nevermoor
  52. Bed Apr 26,2013 9:58 pm

    Well, I’m glad I watched most of that game…luckily during the game I did fun things like take out the garbage and put dishes in the dishwasher.

    But seriously, folks....
    • dmoas Apr 26,2013 10:01 pm || Up

      Wait a minute. Wait a god damn minute. You put the dishes where????!!!! Mind blown!!!

  53. Bed Apr 26,2013 9:59 pm

    So…6-0 vs The Bad News Bears and 7-11 vs actual Major League teams.

    But seriously, folks....
  54. bear88 Apr 26,2013 10:22 pm

    Stuff to worry about, aside from the A’s usual crappy play this time of the year:

    — Parker is terrible right now. He pitched a lot of innings last year. Is it catching up?
    — Anderson breaks easily, isn’t pitching well anyway.
    — Those are the #1 and #2 starters.
    — Reddick’s defensive lapses aren’t good signs, but he can’t hit and that is not new.
    — Shoot, nobody can hit. The lineup against lefties seems pretty weak.
    — Fine, Cespedes will be back soon. But his health is always a risk.

    Who doesn’t concern me in the lineup? Donaldson, Crisp (if he stays healthy), Lowrie, uh…

  55. nobody in particular Apr 26,2013 11:01 pm

    Another game, another night when Cespedes isn’t on the field so neither is anyone else. At least I had a nice time at a surprise b’day bash in 242, with a side visit to 216.

    These guys need to go out there tomorrow and play like they respect the men who built this franchise, several of whom will be in attendance — including a certain superduperstar that stirs the drink.

    Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
    • dmoas Apr 26,2013 11:17 pm || Up

      There’s going to be guys from the Philly days in attendance tomorrow????!!!!

      • nobody in particular Apr 26,2013 11:26 pm || Up

        Yes I am personally raising Jimmie Foxx from the dead so he can kick Josh Reddick’s ass.

        Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
  56. Future Ed Apr 27,2013 8:45 am

    for you NFL draft people…

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
  57. JamesV Apr 27,2013 11:08 am

    We can probably start guessing how much Reggie charged to make an appearance on his bobblehead day.

    • FreeSeatUpgrade Apr 27,2013 11:47 am || Up

      Yea, much as I love Reggie, he hasn’t much bothered to associate himself with the A’s voluntarily.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • dmoas Apr 27,2013 2:41 pm || Up

      How much for them to have his likeness & name on the bobblehead?

  58. JamesV Apr 27,2013 12:03 pm
    • Future Ed Apr 27,2013 12:27 pm || Up

      Are you sure that wasn’t from the archive?

      I want to log in and say “The site really went downhill after green star oakland left

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • JamesV Apr 27,2013 12:39 pm || Up

        The best thing is the poster has NO history on AN.

        • andeux Apr 27,2013 12:47 pm || Up

          It could be a parody.
          Sadly, it could also not be a parody.

          TINSTAAFK
          • beebo Apr 27,2013 1:14 pm || Up

            Could be a troll, too. In which case…I applaud their efforts.

      • elcroata Apr 27,2013 2:14 pm || Up

        dare you

        Because survival is insufficient
        • 5Aces Apr 27,2013 2:26 pm || Up

          Double dog dare.

          Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
          • Future Ed Apr 27,2013 4:25 pm || Up

            done

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
            • doctorK Apr 27,2013 8:04 pm || Up

              I’m tempted to reply to your comment there.

              • elcroata Apr 28,2013 1:30 am || Up

                dare

                Because survival is insufficient
                • elcroata Apr 28,2013 1:31 am || Up

                  FK, I forgot how unreliable their servers are and how them glitches sometimes delete content

                  Because survival is insufficient
            • ptbnl Apr 27,2013 8:44 pm || Up

              And I missed it!

              If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
    • Bed Apr 27,2013 6:03 pm || Up

      I’m surprised they didn’t delete it, no meta and what not…perhaps, no one cares anymore.

      But seriously, folks....
      • Future Ed Apr 27,2013 6:12 pm || Up

        its cup. I like him

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • Bed Apr 27,2013 7:15 pm || Up

          I like him too. He seems to be one of their busier writers so I’m happy for him.

          But seriously, folks....
        • elcroata Apr 28,2013 1:39 am || Up

          He was one of my favorite people while I was there. I didn’t much care for a comment he made to the tune that I am only leaving Committee of Economic Harmlessness Nation because I had a gig at THT, and not because I found their behavior appalling. I obviously don’t care much for the choice he made to help TPTB survive, either. But I think he is a good guy who wants to write and sees the advantages of having an established outlet high enough to warrant working in that system.

          Because survival is insufficient
      • Future Ed Apr 27,2013 7:04 pm || Up

        now nico has commented and someone named dropped grover and asked TPTB to leave it up.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • doctorK Apr 27,2013 8:18 pm || Up

          And now someone deleted it. Since it probably was Toonces, and he probably lurks here, GO FUCK YOURSELF.

          • Bed Apr 27,2013 8:25 pm || Up

            I don’t like it when things get deleted. It seems very Soviet Union to me.

            But seriously, folks....
            • ptbnl Apr 27,2013 8:41 pm || Up

              Nothing was deleted, nothing ever changes.

              Go A’s.

              If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
            • FreeSeatUpgrade Apr 27,2013 8:41 pm || Up

              I have no desire to troll AN, but yeah, what doctork said.

              "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • elcroata Apr 28,2013 1:54 am || Up

        On a side note, once there I looked at what there is for user content. And not to be too hard on anyone, but that post analyzing Anderson’s bad stats as a lack of luck on BABIP, epitomizes just how dangerous advanced stats are in the hands of people who lack in-depth understanding. I think BABIP brought as much bad as it did good to the discussions about baseball. It has become a one-step tool for fringe analysts, be it on a lowly team blog or on a fantasy advice sites, to scream BAD LUCK, GOOD LUCK all the time. I see BABIP as a gradient fill tool. For every person who uses it responsibly, there are hundreds who don’t.

        Bunch of people, myself included, have shown that there are real, measurable differences on BABIP, depending on the count, location and the type of the pitch.

        Anderson is getting in bad counts this year, because he is not throwing the ball where he wants to. This affects both his pitch selection and the batter’s ability to reduce the area or pitch type he is covering, thus providing for better contact.

        Because survival is insufficient
        • JamesV Apr 28,2013 6:51 am || Up

          As with every statistic, it’s vital to understand it and look deeper into it so one doesn’t misuse it or gain an inaccurate position of what it represents. On the surface, we’ve seen BABIP used for that good/bad luck angle, but looking at more specifics like this, especially highlighting the slider vs. BP fastball, shows exactly how much BABIP can be affected by what the pitcher himself does right or wrong.

          This part is also new to me, so I appreciate the extra look at it.

          Overall though, that’s why I’ve kind of backed off a lot on some of the gripes I had with various formulas gaining more traction in the past. I’ve come around more to the general acceptance of the whole sabremetrics side, whether or not I get everything that’s talked about. There’s definitely value in it, the same as there’s still value in some of the “old” ways. The way those values are balanced against each other is where the clashes occur.

    • Dial C for Concupiscence Apr 28,2013 10:01 pm || Up

      Did anyone copy it before Big Brother got to it? What did it say?

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