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  1. All teams are *not* the same, after all

    many dozens of stupid things have been done, just in the last decade or so, over the objections of the general manager. Often, it’s because owners consider themselves the public face of their franchises and just can’t handle the criticism that would come with letting popular players leave.

    Does this absolve the general manager, completely? No. Among the general manager’s many and sundry chores — and one of the most important — is convincing his boss to avoid terribly stupid decisions

  2. mikeA’s new favorite player

    Bob Bell, Trevor’s paternal grandfather, was Bozo the Clown to Chicago-based WGN-TV’s viewers for years

  3. mikeA’s new favorite protective device

    “We’re going to look like a bunch of clowns out there.”

  4. I want to see this pitch:

    he’s left-handed and he throws a pitch I don’t think I’ve ever seen before, a sidearm curveball that clocks around 50 on the radar gun

    Neyer says the pitch needs a nickname. I’d suggest “The Long Con.”

  5. Duke to make one more rehab start tonight, then Tuesday vs. the Yankees. Any guesses where he ends up? Olney’s guess: Rangers. Sounds about right to me.
  6. Anyone interested in taking a flyer on JJ Hardy or Bill Hall? OK, any better ideas, then?

83 thoughts on “All teams are *not* the same, after all: DLD 081309

  1. monkeyball Aug 13,2009 10:16 am

    Can you imagine being the barrista?

    her father relishes his new freedom to take a morning drive to Starbucks in a black SUV, toting home the decaffeinated latte on which his doctor and his wife […] insist

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  2. monkeyball Aug 13,2009 10:20 am

    Duh I

    Duh II

    The main reason senior oppose any changes whatsoever to Medicare is because Part D was and remains so totally fucked up. That, and the constant drumbeat that we’ll have to “reform” (i.e., euthanize) both Medicare and Social Security in order to have enough money keep buying F-22s and fighting the War on Drugs in Afghanistan.

    (Also, reminder to self: never, ever, ever hire Yglesias for any sort of PR/marketing/public awareness campaign.)

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    • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 10:22 am || Up

      Also, a Duh Corollary: there’s also the fact that this dynamic is much like the “Congress is Teh Suxxorz!!1! … but my Representative is awesome!” phenomenon — which itself, I suspect, skews even more pronounced among the elderly.

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  3. monkeyball Aug 13,2009 10:38 am

    Sweet Ba’al Almighty. Napoleon is now self-consciously invoking Ostler.

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    • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 10:52 am || Up

      * As I’m loving the way the A’s are — finally — playing, I’m thinking back to my Locus Of Control piece and how the A’s mindset has shifted, for the better, in recent weeks.

      Confirmation bias much?

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • andeux Aug 13,2009 11:04 am || Up

        It’s kind of funny how one of the common criticisms of stat-heads is that we “don’t take psychology into account.”

        TINSTAAFK
        • Leopold Bloom Aug 13,2009 11:12 am || Up

          …wait a minute, you do?

          • andeux Aug 13,2009 11:20 am || Up

            Absolutely. To me, the main lesson of psychology is that people are exceptionally good of finding post hoc explanations, especially ones that fit in with their existing theories, for why things happened as they did, and terrible at understanding randomness.

            TINSTAAFK
            • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 11:27 am || Up

              … that, plus the St**ford Prison Experiment.

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              • Leopold Bloom Aug 13,2009 2:22 pm || Up

                You are a BROWN MONKEY! YOU WILL LISTEN TO ME! {begins whacking MB with riding crop}

            • mikeA Aug 13,2009 11:42 am || Up

              Well, the criticism would be not taking psychology into account as an important factor in baseball. Stat-heads are probably not often accused of not taking psychology into account on the question of why people like **** write really stupid shit.

              • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 12:00 pm || Up

                To answer LB’s question, to the extent psychology influences real world outcomes, it is taken into effect. To the extent it influences “intangibles” that are so intangible as to have no real world impact, it is not taken into effect.

                In other words, if a player learns to stay calm (see, perhaps, Gio) and improves their performance by Y, stat-heads measure Y. If, however, the player is happy but performs the same, or worse, (see, perhaps, Giambi) stat-heads don’t care.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 12:11 pm || Up

                  In other words, insofar as there is (both qualitative and quantitative) empirical evidence from psychological experts that bears on the question at hand, statheads will seek to include it.

                  Empirical evidence, however, is right out for the antistatheads. “Psychology,” in their usage, means “aspects of kneejerk conventional wisdom about gross generalizations of human behavior that confirm my thesis.”

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                • salb918 Aug 13,2009 12:56 pm || Up

                  Psychological effects are often embedded within the data, so while they are typically not teased out as an orthogonal factor, they are frequently incorporated directly into the model.

                • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 1:14 pm || Up

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                • salb918 Aug 13,2009 1:20 pm || Up

                  I can’t tell if this is a dig at me or a ****

                • Leopold Bloom Aug 13,2009 2:27 pm || Up

                  Nonnono, my dear Sal: MB’s merely answering my question through cartoon, which, if you’ve bean paying attention, is my favorite method of co-mune-E-Kay-shun.

          • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 11:26 am || Up

            Staheads use the groundbreaking work of Jim Mitchell and Bruce Jessen.

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      • andeux Aug 13,2009 2:47 pm || Up

        Speaking of confirmation bias, how about Bruce Jenkins (quite possibly the stupidest fucking guy on the planet) saying that the best thing about yesterday’s Giants game was that Lincecum was left in to hit for himself in the bottom of the 8th.

        TINSTAAFK
      • lenscrafters Aug 13,2009 3:05 pm || Up

        Another case of confirmation bias:

        From the “Scouts’ views on various major league players” section of John Perrotto’s “On the Beat” column over at BP:

        Athletics designated hitter Jack Cust: “The league has figured him out and he can’t adjust back. He had a nice little run last year, but he is what is and that’s a Quad-A player.”

        Also, I hate whenever ** has a discussion about Cust. It always seems to bring out the worst of people being, as andeux said, “exceptionally good at finding post hoc explanations, especially ones that fit in with their existing theories, for why things happened as they did, and terrible at understanding randomness.”

        • andeux Aug 13,2009 3:16 pm || Up

          Yeah, I like how every time Cust has a slump it means the league has suddenly “figured him out” – as if the book on Cust wasn’t already known five years ago.

          TINSTAAFK
        • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 3:19 pm || Up

          How about this:

          I’ve been as hard on Geren (and the decision to hire him/extend him from the front office) as anybody on AN. I still think he’s a poor manager/leader, but it’s interesting how the team’s recent improved play has somewhat lessened my overall dislike of the man.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • lenscrafters Aug 13,2009 3:26 pm || Up

            In a thread full of fail, that still stood out to me.

    • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 12:24 pm || Up

      Sweet Ba’al Almighty II

      Has anyone ever seen Napoleon, Vlae Kershner, and Dwight Schrute in the same room together?

      Ah, cripes. I was going to make a disparaging Klostermanesque comment about JoePos as well, but VK really mischaracterizes the post with a highly selective paraphrase — and then JoePos gives in to temptation, lets the post go on too long, and cooks his thesis. Joe, batters like those on the Royals don’t walk because … they don’t walk. Period. In good times or bad. And diving for a fly ball is more reliably a sign that the OF took a poor jump/route than it is of the OF’s will-to-power.

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      • salb918 Aug 13,2009 12:54 pm || Up

        Disagree with your last statement. In fact, I don’t think we have any evidence that outfielders who dive are more or less likely to have taken a bad route to the ball. The dive is likely to come into play when the ball is in the outer reaches of their range (as defined for a specific play given their jump/route), which is (probably) independent of their jump/route (or more precisely, we don’t know whether it is either independent, positively correlated, or negatively correlated).

        • andeux Aug 13,2009 1:04 pm || Up

          An OF may be more inclined to take the risk of diving if he is trying to make up for a bad jump/route. (If you figure out whether I am serious or kidding let me know. I’m not sure.)

          TINSTAAFK
          • salb918 Aug 13,2009 1:08 pm || Up

            On the other hand, a poor outfielder may be less likely to have the requisite physical coordination to execute a successful dive, and so may not bother.

            • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 1:15 pm || Up

              I think Eric Byrnes’ new nickname should be “The Orthogonal Factor.”

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              • salb918 Aug 13,2009 1:21 pm || Up

                Nicknames are useless once a player’s career is over.

                • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 1:28 pm || Up

                  It could be the title of his radio or tv show: The Orthogonal Factor, with Eric Byrnes

                  “Welcome to The Factor!”

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            • andeux Aug 13,2009 1:21 pm || Up

              On the other other hand, an outfielder without the requisite physical coordination might be more likely to take good routes, because an unathletic outfielder who takes bad routes will be more likely to lose his job than a faster or more coordinated outfielder who takes bad routes.

              TINSTAAFK
              • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 1:26 pm || Up

                an unathletic outfielder who takes bad routes will be more likely to lose his job than a faster or more coordinated outfielder who takes bad routes

                (You forgot your ceteris paribus.)

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  4. nevermoor Aug 13,2009 10:54 am

    Assistant general manager David Forst said that first baseman Daric Barton will play in tomorrow night’s game in Arizona, too. Barton’s on the DL with a hamstring strain.

    !!!. !!!!!. !!!!!!!!. Now they just need to call Buck up and send Sweeney down and I’m a happy camper.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • andeux Aug 13,2009 11:00 am || Up

      You’re getting excited about a rehab assignment?

      TINSTAAFK
      • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 11:41 am || Up

        Yes. (I admit to a certain degree of irrational Barton-love)

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • mikeA Aug 13,2009 11:43 am || Up

          It’s looking more and more like Buck-love is irrational too…

  5. nevermoor Aug 13,2009 10:55 am
    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 11:00 am || Up

      Now … am I Seeing What You Did There, or is that a link FAIL?

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      • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 11:51 am || Up

        Sadly, it must be a link fail. It was a comment on Neyer’s piece but I couldn’t get the video to load (which sometimes happens at work). If it isn’t working for you, then it must be a link fail.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 12:00 pm || Up

          See, I agree that mlb.com itself constitutes a long con.

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  6. nevermoor Aug 13,2009 10:59 am

    “No, I am absolutely not wearing that,” Mets right fielder Jeff Francoeur said with a laugh after seeing a prototype, as if he were being asked to put a pumpkin on his head. “I could care less what they say, I’m not wearing it. There’s got to be a way to have a more protective helmet without all that padding. It’s brutal.

    Further proof that Frenchie is just plain stupid.

    "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 11:03 am || Up

      I endorse this ad hominem attack.

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      • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 11:52 am || Up

        *hangs head in shame*

        *rethinks world view*

        *shakes it off*

        *moves on freedomworks undaunted*

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  7. monkeyball Aug 13,2009 11:01 am

    Anyone see US-Mexico yesterday? Landon Donovan FAIL.

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  8. monkeyball Aug 13,2009 11:32 am

    Lack of sequitur/perspective/sense:

    One of the many casualties of Sept. 11, 2001 was the Tom De Santo/Bryan Singer version of “Battlestar Galactica” …

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    • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 11:55 am || Up

      Wait, you’re not allowed to make true statements using obvious and standard metaphors if the sentence refers to 9/11? I think I need to re-read the Rudy Rulebook.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 12:03 pm || Up

        The Tairsts hates our freedomz robots moronic, cheesy sci-fi franchises Hollywood’s moronic habit of greenlighting only projects that springboard off of non-filmic established brands, decrepit/irrelevant/non-synergistic as they may be.

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  9. monkeyball Aug 13,2009 11:45 am

    nevermoor can feel free to ignore this:

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    • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 12:02 pm || Up

      Oh, I’m still planning to watch this when it hits netflix.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  10. batgirl Aug 13,2009 1:41 pm

    Have you all paused today to bid a fond farewell to our lovely coliseum grass?

    • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 2:02 pm || Up

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    • Poppy Aug 13,2009 3:47 pm || Up

      Booooooooo.

      (Raiders, not batgirl)

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  11. monkeyball Aug 13,2009 2:45 pm

    These people are INSANE. They’re also entirely predicated on not merely having at least one parent be a full-time caretaker, but … well … really putting the FULL in full-time.

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    • batgirl Aug 13,2009 3:11 pm || Up

      When I went to China many years ago, one of the things I remember most vividly were all the babies in the crotchless pants. I could not for the life of me figure out how that possibly worked without resulting in some really nasty messes. I’ve housetrained more than a few puppies, and even given their pretty cut-and-dried strategy of crate training and positive treat rewarding, there are umpteen accidents and missed visual/audible cues. I can’t imagine how that might work with a baby. (not that I have ANY experience with infants, so take all of this with a grain of salt)

    • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 3:44 pm || Up

      Well, no more insane than the people who use disposable diapers (landfill + slows potty training).

      Cloth diapers, though, there’s the sweet spot between “mess on floor” and “killing the planet”

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • monkeyball Aug 13,2009 3:51 pm || Up

        No, they’re far, far more insane.

        Disposables are bad, but they’re “convenient” (not really) and “cheap” (again, not really — penny wise, ppound foolish, not even accounting for the externalities). And they keep the kid from, y’know, peeing on the floor/you.

        And there is something to the anti-cloth overall-impact argument that cloth uses a ton of energy and (more so) water — especially if you use a service.

        (We use cloth, and try to minimize rinsing and use a spin dryer and line-drying.)

        The worst, really, are G-diapers, which purport to offer the best of both, but really offer the worst. Brilliant marketing idea, though.

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        • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 4:34 pm || Up

          Meh, I have a hard time with a definition of insanity that involves all of humanity except western civilizations in the past few decades.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • salb918 Aug 13,2009 4:57 pm || Up

            Do you have kids?

            We use disposables. We priced out cloth diapers; a service is too expensive. Since we don’t have our own washer and dryer, the money saved by doing cloth makes the time/hassle of prewash/going to the laundry room/etc. not worth it. We’re fortunate that our kid doesn’t mind peepee diapers, so we only have to change him before bed and whenever he poops.

            I’m also not convinced that disposables slow potty training anymore than cloth.

            • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 5:18 pm || Up

              No, but I have parents. They used a service (which is somewhat more expensive than disposables, pre-externality-adjustment)

              The argument for the latter point is that disposables absorb moisture without feeling wet, which makes peeing in them much less uncomfortable (see, e.g., your kid), which removes the connection between peeing and feeling uncomfortable.

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • salb918 Aug 13,2009 5:23 pm || Up

                re: your last point.

                Ok, I’ll buy that.

          • salb918 Aug 13,2009 4:58 pm || Up

            The ancients didn’t have baseball blogs or vaccines either. Stark raving mad, they were.

            • monkeyball Aug 14,2009 10:04 am || Up

              And what they did have included slavery, disenfranchisement of women, genital mutilation, capital and corporal punishment, etc etc

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          • monkeyball Aug 14,2009 10:02 am || Up

            “elimination communication” is the childcare equivalent of Yglesias’ “let’s eliminate some traffic rules to see what happens!”

            we need fewer infant diapering rules […] The over-arching “rule” would be “don’t poop on anyone.”

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            • nevermoor Aug 14,2009 10:17 am || Up

              Weaker analogy than your birther one

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • monkeyball Aug 14,2009 10:22 am || Up

                Christ, what analogy

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      • Poppy Aug 14,2009 1:03 pm || Up

        Slows potty-training? Didn’t have that effect on my kid. If there are studies that prove disposables slow potty-training, do they take into account the relative busy-ness of most parents who choose disposables, and the fact that the slow potty-training might be due to parents’ and/or babysitters’ inconsistency/timing/laziness/whatever?

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        • monkeyball Aug 14,2009 1:13 pm || Up

          I haven’t looked, but I *think* the whole slows-PT thing is entirely theoretical.

          FWIW, I also think the disposables-take-less-time/effort thing is also entirely theoretical (at least if one uses a service … which, again, theoretically negates some/all of the enviro advantages of going cloth). And even non-service/wash-’em-yourself isn’t really any less of a PITA than the alternative.

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    • mikeA Aug 13,2009 4:59 pm || Up

      They all have a bunch of friends who they no longer like, and want to have the available excuse of “my hands are full right now.”

  12. monkeyball Aug 13,2009 2:54 pm

    TWSS

    “But we’re still trying to re-mount it”

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  13. batgirl Aug 13,2009 5:10 pm
    • batgirl Aug 13,2009 5:12 pm || Up

      also

      1. That is one long-ass post.

      2. I bet the comments that follow will fall more into the category of re-hashing his “absence” than the actual substance of the long-ass post.

      • salb918 Aug 13,2009 5:24 pm || Up

        I want him on FK, real bad.

        • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 5:46 pm || Up

          Seriously. I’m surprised it didn’t happen.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
        • monkeyball Aug 14,2009 7:22 am || Up

          TWSS

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      • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 5:46 pm || Up

        See, e.g., this:

        Welcome back! The site was poorer without you. I entreat you to at least play nice enough to stick around awhile. If you can treat the people who disagree with you not as fools (although god knows we have our share) but rather as beloved family members who are analytically challenged (but nevertheless have a fine ear for condescension), we may have a chance to avoid the hideously boring metathreads of the past. Whether you were cause or merely catalyst, I could really do without those.

        I really wanted to jump at it, but I’ll hold off.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • mikeA Aug 13,2009 6:47 pm || Up

        Wow, that is a long post…

        • nevermoor Aug 13,2009 7:27 pm || Up

          And not his best work. He clearly needs the freedom of FK to thrive (FK recruiting team, GO!)

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  14. salb918 Aug 13,2009 5:30 pm

    Adrian Beltre: injured testicle.

    Mariners placed 3B Adrian Beltre on the 15-day disabled list with an injured testicle.
    Cue the laugh track. Beltre, who doesn’t wear a protective cup, had a ball clip him in the groin during Wednesday’s game. There was some tearing and internal bleeding. The team is waiting to see if he will require surgery. With surgery, he would be out a month. Without, roughly two weeks. Beltre’s certainly been snake-bit in his free agent season.

    • lenscrafters Aug 13,2009 11:10 pm || Up

      It was only a matter of time.

    • Poppy Aug 14,2009 1:07 pm || Up

      Jack Hannahan: “See? The cupped boys may need a lot of adjustment, but at least they’re safe.”

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  15. mikeA Aug 13,2009 6:55 pm

    Boston (appears to be an A’s fan from the sig, but is actually a Sox fan if you click the name)

  16. JediLeroy Aug 13,2009 9:30 pm
    az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde

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