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  1. Future Ed Nov 27,2012 10:52 am

    Monkeyball bait. Sad face.

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • dmoas Nov 27,2012 11:06 am || Up

      We should tax advertising here. For no other reason than that I hate ads in general and find them annoying. And why not make the state a few bucks if I’m going to be annoyed by their onslaught?

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 27,2012 11:10 am || Up

        Nevermoor does tax advertising very heavily here, but just as Reaganomics predicts, it has driven the business into non-existence.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  2. MikeV Nov 27,2012 10:57 am

    Kyle Williams and Kendall Hunter both out for the year.

    Time for AJ Jenkins and Lamichael James.

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • dmoas Nov 27,2012 11:07 am || Up

      That’s got to hurt a little.

      • MikeV Nov 27,2012 11:11 am || Up

        Gore is still the primary RB but Hunter is really good IMO. Hopefully James will keep up the change of pace thing that Hunter had going on.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • dmoas Nov 27,2012 11:13 am || Up

          It’s the health thing you have to worry about. Hunter’s abilities allowed them to use Gore less allowing him to rest more.

          • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 2:18 pm || Up

            I’m guessing Kaepernick gets more designed runs now. They can also mix it up with reverses and perhaps bringing Jacobs into the mix. Granted, he’s more of a short yardage guy, but if he can average 4 yds/carry he can still give Gore a breather while keeping defenses honest.

            • MikeV Nov 27,2012 2:19 pm || Up

              Or just use James the same way they were using Hunter.

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

              • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 2:27 pm || Up

                Assuming he’s ready, I’m all for it. He’d be just about the fastest player on the team, wouldn’t he?

                • MikeV Nov 27,2012 2:32 pm || Up

                  4.45 according to NFL.com.

                  AJ Jenkins ran 4.39.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 3:15 pm || Up

                  My hope for James was that he’d be a good 3rd down back.

                • MikeV Nov 27,2012 3:19 pm || Up

                  If that’s all we get out of him, that was not a good 2nd round pick.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 3:25 pm || Up

                  I meant this year. Long term, someone needs to step in to replace Gore. I love the guy, but he’s getting up there in years.

              • dmoas Nov 27,2012 2:37 pm || Up

                I think it’s less about who so much as the reliability of picking up the yardage. When Hunter was in the backfield, you could rely on him to get you X amount of yards. He proved that last year and this year. That meant when Gore came off the field, you still had a guy back there you had to defend against. It’s great if James or Jacobs or X can sit back there, but they have to be able to get the job done while back there as well. Otherwise the defense will just defend against the pass whenever Gore leaves the field. Then again, letting Kaep loose might help that a bit too.

                • MikeV Nov 27,2012 2:40 pm || Up

                  Assuming pass when Gore is out would be awesome. James is a good running back.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • dmoas Nov 27,2012 3:30 pm || Up

                  He still has to prove he’s a good running back. If he can’t *that’s* when they start assuming pass when he’s in.

                • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 3:59 pm || Up

                  Apparently they’ve promoted Jewel Hampton from the practice squad. Just a depth move?

                • MikeV Nov 27,2012 4:09 pm || Up

                  Just onto the 53 man roster. He’s basically the 5th RB now behind Gore, LMJ, Jacobs, and Dixon.

                  He’ll be inactive on Sunday.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • dmoas Nov 27,2012 4:28 pm || Up

                  They had to or risk losing him, according to the Chron. Can’t say whether that would have been a good thing or a bad thing though.

  3. FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 27,2012 11:06 am

    Marvin Miller was one of the five most important people in the history of American professional sports. It is a travesty that MLB hasn’t put him in the Hall of Fame, as Miller himself observed.

    “There’s been a concerted attempt to downplay the union,” Mr. Miller told The New York Times, referring to the Hall, when he narrowly missed out on election in December 2010, the fifth time he had been on the ballot. “It’s been about trying to rewrite history rather than record it. They decided a long time ago that they would downgrade any impact the union has had. And part of that plan was to keep me out of it.”

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • the llama Nov 29,2012 8:57 pm || Up

      1. Rickey
      2. Rickey
      3. Rickey
      4. Marvin Miller
      5. Rickey

  4. Glorious Mundy Nov 27,2012 11:09 am

    What do you Niner heads think of the idea of Alex Smith as a closer quarterback? I’m a dummy when it comes to football, but it has always seemed like teams that have two above average quarterbacks are wasting an asset by making one of them do nothing but stand there all day.

    • dmoas Nov 27,2012 11:12 am || Up

      Fourth and short, I’m think you’d want Kaep in there with his ability to run.

    • MikeV Nov 27,2012 11:37 am || Up

      But if you were going to create a package of plays for Alex Smith that were built around his strengths and designed to keep him warm while helping the team win, well, that package would create football’s first closer.

      OK, so what we want you to do is go in there and CHECK DOWN IF VERNON ISN’T OPEN.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

    • the llama Nov 29,2012 9:00 pm || Up

      Only if they have a three touchdown lead.

  5. Future Ed Nov 27,2012 11:28 am

    Via Calcaterra again also MBait

    Long and short.: The A’s have an institutional problem of not reading how to make money in professional base ball. This one was probably the biggest fail.

    I will note, that my cable package does not include CSN-CA

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Glorious Mundy Nov 27,2012 11:32 am || Up

      Began before 2009 season, Opt-out after 15 years

      So much fail.

      • dmoas Nov 27,2012 12:12 pm || Up

        Holy Fail Batman.

        • Future Ed Nov 27,2012 12:14 pm || Up

          it’ll be up for renewal just after the crash

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • dmoas Nov 27,2012 12:22 pm || Up

            You know it!

          • dmoas Nov 27,2012 12:22 pm || Up

            On the bright side, while the A’s won’t benefit from the money from it, they won’t be hurt by the crash.

      • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 27,2012 1:50 pm || Up

        Sigh.

  6. MikeV Nov 27,2012 11:43 am
    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 27,2012 11:46 am || Up

      DFA, who needs to just get his ass back here already.

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
      • brian.only Nov 27,2012 3:35 pm || Up

        Did he really jet? Kinda surprised he actually went through w/ it.

        • dmoas Nov 27,2012 3:42 pm || Up

          I’m still hoping he’s just taking a time out from us for a bit and that he’ll be back. He was kind of wound up a bit on a lot of things and finding himself in a lot of (partially unexpected for even for him) arguments where he was taking some pretty heavy community haymakers which I can’t imagine was particularly fun for him.

          • Future Ed Nov 27,2012 3:44 pm || Up

            I super secretly banned him and he hasn’t emailed me yet. I will reinstate him as soon as he emails me.

            I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • aardvark Nov 27,2012 5:43 pm || Up

            He went out for FK bowling and was clearly pretty upset about it all. I hope he finds his way back soon.

            • brian.only Nov 27,2012 5:56 pm || Up

              Bummer, I wanted to go bad but was in moving hell, moved, now in unpacking hell but the place RULES!!!

              • desmarestia Nov 28,2012 11:57 am || Up

                We’ll all have to go again…COMEDY!!!!

          • brian.only Nov 27,2012 5:55 pm || Up

            Yeah, I was seeing it all go down on multiple threads, just stayed out of it as I couldn’t find anything constructive to say that wasn’t already said.

            Maybe we could make ‘debate’ threads in the future for contentious issues so that its made clear its a ‘debate’.
            It seemed to me that some people didn’t want a debate and some did, which is where things went astray.

            Or maybe I’m just making it more complicated, in any event, miss ya DFA.

            • Glorious Mundy Nov 27,2012 6:50 pm || Up

              Thing is, if people don’t want to debate with dfa, they can easily just not debate. It seemed to me that in the threads where things got heated (the thing about gas prices and the thing about non-citizens voting in local elections? were there others?), people were willingly engaging him in debate, and he wasn’t being a jerk or anything. Sometimes I think when people say they don’t want a debate they mean they don’t want to be challenged on their opinion by someone who is willing to argue it to death, which is quite different.

              • nevermoor Dec 3,2012 1:19 pm || Up

                Agreed

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • dmoas Nov 27,2012 6:51 pm || Up

              In retrospect, i think the biggest problem was that he was actually trying to share an opinion and then was getting smacked around like a rag doll for having that opinion.

              • brian.only Nov 27,2012 7:00 pm || Up

                Idealism is a sonofabitch.

              • ptbnl Nov 27,2012 7:37 pm || Up

                I don’t recall anyone smacking dfa for having an opinion (anonymous edit: except when I called him a bigot of course).

                I do recall people taking exception to his insulting others – Bed, JediLeroy and Slusser spring to mind as recent examples – for their opinions/beliefs, or at least what he understood those to be.

                If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • Glorious Mundy Nov 27,2012 7:43 pm || Up

                  Oh yeah. Those were bad.

                • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 7:49 pm || Up

                  Is that why JL got so upset when I criticized Romney after the election? I feel really bad about that.

                • brian.only Nov 27,2012 8:18 pm || Up

                  Yeah, idiot was a bit much.

                • ptbnl Dec 3,2012 1:31 pm || Up

                  My understanding of the general protocol for editing someone else’s comments is:
                  (i) leave the original in place but struck through.
                  (ii) leave a “fixed” comment, or similar, to note re-authorship.
                  (iii) say something nice about Ed in the new comment

                  In this particular case the smack was in the context of an ongoing IRL conversation, and was explicitly with reference to the way DFA addressed people he disagreed with and not his opinions.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • Future Ed Dec 3,2012 1:59 pm || Up

                  fixed.

                  I am handsome

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • nevermoor Dec 3,2012 6:54 pm || Up

                  With the caveat that there are no rules, and the admin is too sleep deprived to ban anyone.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • ptbnl Dec 3,2012 8:42 pm || Up

                  Naturally – just a little advocacy.

                  Plus Ed is super-handsome a poopyhead.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
              • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 7:45 pm || Up

                One problem with this type of communication is that it can be difficult to convey an opinion and a feeling that don’t match. I mean, I might have disagreed with what he was saying, but I didn’t feel antagonistic toward him. We had a difference of opinion, and sometimes in a forum such as this that can come across as anger. I hope he didn’t think that was the case, but I fear he must have.

                • Bed Nov 27,2012 8:40 pm || Up

                  DFA likes to start fights, to say otherwise is to ignore years of evidence. Of course if he reads this it’ll just confirm in his mind that I hate him, I don’t but I doubt I could convince him of that at this point.

                  But seriously, folks....
                • Future Ed Nov 27,2012 8:45 pm || Up

                  I like DFA. He is good people and has strong convictions. which is good.

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • Bed Nov 27,2012 8:50 pm || Up

                  I’ve never met him so I don’t know what type a person he is. I’m fine with him being on FK and I’m fine if he isn’t. People come and they go on these sites it would seem.

                  But seriously, folks....
                • ptbnl Nov 27,2012 8:55 pm || Up

                  I’m not sure if he sees it as starting fights, which is why I think it surprises him when others take it that way.

                  I also hope it’s a hiatus and not a departure.

                  If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 27,2012 8:57 pm || Up

                  I’m going to continue to assume that he’ll be back.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • dmoas Nov 27,2012 8:59 pm || Up

                  I’m going to continue to hope he’ll be back.

                • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 28,2012 12:50 pm || Up

                  Likewise. He should come back. Nothing wrong with a break. Just don’t let it become permanent.

                • Bed Nov 27,2012 8:59 pm || Up

                  I’m sure he’d say they were debates. I think of debates as being more civil. I should probably shut up now…things never go well when I post about DFA.

                  But seriously, folks....
              • elcroata Nov 28,2012 5:18 am || Up

                If you are referring to me, I might have been less than polite on the non citizens rights. Still, while I am not happy if that has made anyone spend less time on FK, I am not apologizing. It is an issue that is more than a debate fodder to me, it is personal and I repeatedly made that clear. I was trying to get not the agreement of the opinion but the understanding that I am not willing to endlessly debate when I think, rightly or wrongly, that the opposing view is insulting to me. How much each one values the right to repeatedly keep expressing his or her point of view and how much each one values the courtesy of dropping it when a fellow FKer doesn’t want to hear the words she or he deems insulting is for each one to determine, and there are obviously different interpretations. I am not saying that mine is correct, but in this particular instance I am not ready to accept the opposing view as a correct one, nor do I have the necessary emotional energy to endlessly debate the semantics. Sorry.

                Because survival is insufficient
                • dmoas Nov 28,2012 10:33 am || Up

                  Nah, it was more than one person (including me, fwiw). To suggest any one person is responsible for DFA leaving other than DFA for choosing to leave would be wrong. To be frank, I can’t nor won’t speak for DFA, I was simply observing that suddenly all of his conversations resembled the one you referenced and it was all at once. As much as we know he likes to debate, I can’t imagine that was fun for him and if that’s all he was seeing here then it was probably a good time to take a break.

                • elcroata Nov 28,2012 11:52 am || Up

                  Sure. As improbable as it might sound, there are times where I don’t find FK (or any online place) rewarding enough to spend time and energy on it. Break helps most of the times

                  Because survival is insufficient
      • desmarestia Nov 27,2012 3:44 pm || Up

        where’d he go? what’d I miss??

        • Future Ed Nov 27,2012 3:45 pm || Up

          nowhere, just hasn’t been posting here in a while. Still posting on FB if you miss him that much.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • andeux Nov 27,2012 11:50 am || Up

      One analyst, Bill Dreher of Deutsche Bank, complained last year that at Costco “it’s better to be an employee or a customer than a shareholder.”

      The horror!

      TINSTAAFK
      • Future Ed Nov 27,2012 11:52 am || Up

        cuz it totally sucks to be a shopper at costco.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • dmoas Nov 27,2012 12:13 pm || Up

        And this is a bad thing…?

      • Glorious Mundy Nov 27,2012 12:19 pm || Up

        Costco shares are up more than 200% since the beginning of 2005. I guess it has been pretty good to be a shareholder too.

    • Soaker Nov 27,2012 11:56 am || Up

      Seven-year-old article. How much of that has changed in the subsequent extended recession/slow recovery?

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • MikeV Nov 27,2012 12:10 pm || Up

        The CEO guy retired, still sits on the Board for Costco, and they are #24 on the Fortune 500. Also they have only raised membership costs once in the last 5 years.

        They’re doing OK I guess.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • MikeV Nov 27,2012 12:26 pm || Up

          Oh and also a hot dog and soda is still $1.50

          It has been for 21 years.

          And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

          Thanks, and go As.

          • Kylianna Nov 28,2012 2:09 pm || Up

            And that is the reason that CostCo truly is sacred.

            That was my lunch every day for my last year of college.

      • Future Ed Nov 27,2012 12:13 pm || Up

        huh, I read that this morning and did not realize it was so old.

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
  7. MikeV Nov 27,2012 12:42 pm

    WOOT!

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 2:22 pm || Up

      How long is Willis signed for, do you know? Keeping this group of LB’s together would be awesome. There isn’t a better group anywhere.

      • MikeV Nov 27,2012 2:36 pm || Up

        through 2016

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

  8. Future Ed Nov 27,2012 12:56 pm
    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Future Ed Nov 27,2012 12:59 pm || Up

      although this is offensive:

      “They understand when a case is about to go to trial in front of a female judge, they darn well better have a team that is diverse and includes women with serious roles. Because these judges notice,” she said.

      Why wouldn’t you have the best people in roles, and yeah, some of the best people are gonna have girl parts

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 27,2012 1:10 pm || Up

        I don’t find that offensive at all. Quite the contrary: when the market makes it more profitable to choose your employees to be responsive to the diversity of your customers, that’s a big win for equality.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • dmoas Nov 27,2012 1:16 pm || Up

          I think it’s the notion that judges “notice” when there’s diversity (namely important women). The judge’s role is the be unbiased, so they really *shouldn’t* pay attention to that sort of thing and only pay attention to the quality of the case, regardless of who is or isn’t arguing it.

          • Glorious Mundy Nov 27,2012 2:32 pm || Up

            It’s not the “notice” part that’s troublesome (judges are humans who notice things). It’s the “they darn well better have” part. That suggests a bias that’s not fair to litigants.

            • Future Ed Nov 27,2012 2:58 pm || Up

              Having appeared in front of one of these people and having an interview with another (for a clinic I ended up not doing, not a job), I am pretty sure they don’t really care about tokenism they way the quote makes it seem.

              I assume the partner in the firm that said it doesn’t have the kind of experience at actual litigation to know better, so she just repeated conventional wisdom.

              I have $5. No I don\'t.
              • nevermoor Dec 3,2012 1:23 pm || Up

                I have cases where the judges have said on the record that the lawyers are a bunch of white men. Tokenism is bad, sure, but women in important roles can be important.

                "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • dmoas Nov 27,2012 3:34 pm || Up

              I was more referring to the writer’s intended emphasis they gave on “notice”. Of course they’re humans and will notice who they’re dealing with and all that. But if they have any emphasis on whether they’re there or expect that they have a role to play (and this goes for any judge of any race, gender, etc.) then we have a serious problem.

              • Future Ed Nov 27,2012 3:41 pm || Up

                I really don’t think the speaker of the line really knows what she is talking about.

                I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • dmoas Nov 27,2012 4:29 pm || Up

                  I’d imagine that would be the case, yes. I doubt anyone gets to be a judge (well, okay they do, but it’s not often that they do) while showing any bias like that.

  9. Future Ed Nov 27,2012 4:11 pm
    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Glorious Mundy Nov 27,2012 4:21 pm || Up

      Wow, the comments on that thing went off the rails in a hurry.

      • Future Ed Nov 27,2012 8:16 pm || Up

        i always lead with “I once shot a man…”

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • beebo Nov 27,2012 8:20 pm || Up

          “And the surgeon who saved his life said…”

          • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 8:49 pm || Up

            Sounds more like a an argument in favor of gun control than against pulling pranks. I thought it was pretty hilarious, actually.

        • dmoas Nov 27,2012 8:57 pm || Up

          I once shot a man in Reno.

          • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 9:03 pm || Up

            Did you have a reason?

            • dmoas Nov 27,2012 9:11 pm || Up

              Gambling. We wanted to see which cops would show up first. The CA cops. Or the Nevada cops. Seeing him die was pretty cool too.

              • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 9:25 pm || Up

                Slack-assed Nevada cops. And those damned California cops over-reaching their jurisdiction.

                • dmoas Nov 27,2012 9:27 pm || Up

                  Well, like roulette, you’d be wrong to think it’s black or red. No one showed up.

                • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 9:57 pm || Up

                  So… you don’t hear that train a-comin’?

            • beebo Nov 27,2012 9:14 pm || Up

              He was a Brazilian elevator operator. He had it coming.

              • ozzman99 Nov 27,2012 9:26 pm || Up

                Haha! You shoulda taken out the kid while you were at it. She did a damn good job staying in character.

  10. FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 27,2012 5:28 pm

    Couple of good early season games in tonight’s ACC-Big 10 Challenge. #3 Michigan is up on #18 NC State by seven at half time, and at 6:30 #14 Carolina visits #1 Indiana.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Glorious Mundy Nov 27,2012 8:05 pm || Up

      Indiana appears to be good. At least as good as Butler.

      • MikeV Nov 27,2012 8:12 pm || Up

        I thought the NHL was canceled

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

      • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 27,2012 8:43 pm || Up

        Yeah, I’d be OK with no more games against teams from the State of Indiana this year.

        The Big 10 looks really good.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Soaker Nov 28,2012 6:46 pm || Up

          I see that, in the latest round of realignment idiocy, the rumor mill has UNC and Duke on one side and the Big Ten on the other making lovey-dovey eyes at each other.

          What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
          • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 28,2012 7:12 pm || Up

            Thankfully, Carolina is proclaiming its lifelong ACC love. I don’t see any of the ACC hoops core going anywhere.

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
            • elcroata Nov 28,2012 9:31 pm || Up

              They’all run away from ‘cuse

              Because survival is insufficient
    • nevermoor Dec 3,2012 1:25 pm || Up

      Early season? college sports are a bajillion bowl games away from being over until March.

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
  11. aardvark Nov 27,2012 5:58 pm

    Why do you people keep using the f word? This is a baseball blog.

  12. Glorious Mundy Nov 27,2012 6:06 pm

    This being a baseball blog, how about some love for Barry Larkin’s Brazil beating Panama twice in Panama City to qualify for the WBC? That’s a hell of a story that no one seems to have noticed.

    • aardvark Nov 27,2012 6:47 pm || Up

      That’s awesome. Brazil could became a baseball powerhouse if it can make some inroads into the north. Its interesting to note that baseball was brought to Brazil, not by Americans, but by the Japanese.

      • Glorious Mundy Nov 27,2012 6:53 pm || Up

        Yeah, a lot of their roster is made up of Japanese-Brazilians, although interestingly the key players seem to not be of Japanese origin.

      • brian.only Nov 27,2012 7:03 pm || Up

        There’ve been some wonderful Venezuelan players to the north.
        Super interesting about the Japanese, how did it come about, exhibition games?

        • Glorious Mundy Nov 27,2012 7:06 pm || Up

          Brazil, specifically, Sao Paulo, has a huge Japanese population who I assume brought the game with them when they immigrated.

  13. Bed Nov 27,2012 8:25 pm

    That Marvin Miller isn’t in the Hall of Fame is beyond stupid.

    But seriously, folks....
    • Future Ed Nov 27,2012 8:30 pm || Up

      i don’t know why he isn’t. the owners don’t own the hall.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 27,2012 8:44 pm || Up

        Sure they do. There’s not a voter out there who isn’t in some way beholden to the league, and that’s true ten times over for the Veterans Committee on which Miller now depends.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Future Ed Nov 27,2012 8:46 pm || Up

          That makes sense. Kinda perverted though.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
        • nevermoor Dec 3,2012 1:27 pm || Up

          Not true. The last version of the committee was mostly players.

          "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
          • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 4,2012 7:49 pm || Up

            Irrelevant. Players on the Vets Committee are almost always “company men.”

            "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
            • nevermoor Dec 4,2012 8:29 pm || Up

              Wasn’t it all HOFers?

              "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
              • FreeSeatUpgrade Dec 4,2012 8:56 pm || Up

                All 8 player members are HOFers, plus 4 executives plus 4 media. And my sense is that the players who get appointed do tend to be MLB company men, though a look at the current makeup includes Eddie Murray, who was not.

                "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  14. JamesV Nov 28,2012 8:06 am

    This is very well-said, I think. By Pete Abraham, regarding the Hall of Fame and the Steroid Era compared to past eras of baseball:

    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2012/11/erasing_a_line.html

    • dmoas Nov 28,2012 10:41 am || Up

      Well… the “integrity, sportsmanship, character” would eliminate a couple of the players who took PEDs and not because they actually took them. That makes it easier to simply remove the line so to speak and vote for who you feel. Clemens and Bonds are both assholes who are full of themselves. Shitty characters with meh integrity, ergo, I wouldn’t vote for them even though statistically they’ve earned it.

      • MikeV Nov 28,2012 10:46 am || Up

        That should also eliminate anybody that’s used greenies, a corked bat, a spitball, etc…

        but it hasn’t.

        also: something something Ty Cobb

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • dmoas Nov 28,2012 11:03 am || Up

          You need to re-read what I wrote. I didn’t say we should eliminate people based on PEDs. Though I probably wouldn’t vote for Cobb either, just for being an asshole.

    • Englishmajor Nov 28,2012 11:26 am || Up

      Besides Bonds, 8 former Giants and 4 former A’s are on the ballot…can you name them?

      Also, for planning your future trips to Cooperstown, upcoming former A’s:

      2014: Ray Durham, Keith Foulke, Scott Hatteberg, Esteban Loiaza, Jay Payton, Kenny Rogers, Shannon Stewart, Frank Thomas
      2015: Jermaine Dye
      2016: Mike Sweeney
      2017: Manny Ramirez
      2018: Brian Fuentes

      • MikeV Nov 28,2012 11:30 am || Up

        Does Manny count? He never actually played with the team.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

      • andeux Nov 28,2012 11:37 am || Up

        Piazza, Raines,…

        TINSTAAFK
        • Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2012 11:41 am || Up

          How is it that I have no recollection whatsoever of Tim Raines playing for the A’s?

      • sslinger Nov 28,2012 3:58 pm || Up

        What about Jason Kendall?

        • Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2012 4:01 pm || Up

          Rewind yourself. He hasn’t been out of the game long enough.

      • nevermoor Dec 3,2012 1:28 pm || Up

        First question in the history of FK for which Rickey is not the winning answer.

        "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
    • Future Ed Nov 28,2012 1:06 pm || Up

      READ: I gotta vote for Clemmons

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • Kay Nov 28,2012 3:42 pm || Up

        The Big Man’s already in the Hall Of Fame with the rest of the E Street Band, Rest In Peace.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
        • Future Ed Nov 28,2012 4:08 pm || Up

          Its been so long, I think I misspell his name on purpose now.

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Future Ed Nov 28,2012 1:09 pm || Up
      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  15. andeux Nov 28,2012 10:28 am
    TINSTAAFK
    • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 28,2012 11:14 am || Up

      Adrian Chen is certainly carving out a reportorial niche for himself, isn’t he?

      "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
  16. andeux Nov 28,2012 11:04 am

    TINSTAAFK
    • MikeV Nov 28,2012 11:05 am || Up

      SANDY HAS LEFT NEW ENGLAND!

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

    • 5Aces Nov 28,2012 11:22 am || Up

      So I should reserve seats on the parade route for next October today, right?

      Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it? -Steve McCatty
    • ozzman99 Nov 28,2012 12:50 pm || Up

      No point playing the 2013 season now. Might as well just give the A’s their WS trophy and start planning the ticker tape pie parade.

  17. andeux Nov 28,2012 11:57 am

    People who travel a lot: how much before my flight should I get to SFO (United, late morning, one checked bag)?

    TINSTAAFK
    • ptbnl Nov 28,2012 12:30 pm || Up

      Domestic or international, which day of the week and week of the year, do you have any United status?

      If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
      • andeux Nov 28,2012 12:55 pm || Up

        Domestic, tomorrow, no.

        TINSTAAFK
        • sslinger Nov 28,2012 4:02 pm || Up

          Late morning on a Thursday shouldn’t be too bad. If you’re checked in and carry-on only, and like cutting things close more than spending time at the airport, you could probably get away with 45 minutes before flight. I personally prefer not worrying so get there pretty early, probably 1:15 or so beforehand.

        • ptbnl Nov 28,2012 10:50 pm || Up

          Check in online, kerbside baggage check, and if the international security line (which you’ll come to first) isn’t horrendous take that and cut across to the United domestic gates. 45 minutes should be fine but that’s just me …

          If this is His will, He's a son of a bitch.
  18. dmoas Nov 28,2012 11:59 am

    So the week of Thanksgiving, one of our programmers had their last day. Today, a second one put in his 2 weeks. So now we’ve gone to a department of 5 programmers (2 of whom are “co” managers) in less than a month to 3 programmers (2 of whom are “co” managers). Yes, that’s right folks, I now work in a department where the number of managers outnumber the number of non-managers 2 to 1.

    • ozzman99 Nov 28,2012 12:51 pm || Up

      I hope you’re not the non-manager.

        • ozzman99 Nov 28,2012 2:00 pm || Up

          Wonderful. Get ready to do the work of 5 people.

          • dmoas Nov 28,2012 2:37 pm || Up

            Well, I already do that. But strangely I didn’t take on any additional (directly) when the first person left. Not sure the same will be said over the second though. He does shit I want no part of.

    • Future Ed Nov 28,2012 1:15 pm || Up

      WHen I workd in trash planning there was a division wide leadership retreat. All “Program Analysts III” or higher were to attend. along with managers. the secretary and I were the only non PA III or IVs. The Secretary was on vacation.

      A LOT on internetting got done that day, I will tell you what.

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • dmoas Nov 28,2012 2:39 pm || Up

        When I was in the mail room, they did a company retreat to wine country with everyone who was full time and benefited. There were two of us in the company (at the time of a good 30-40+ people) who stayed. Not much got done that way. But the pizza we had was alright.

    • oblique Nov 28,2012 1:41 pm || Up

      You should ask for a promotion.

      What tech stack do you work in?

      • dmoas Nov 28,2012 2:38 pm || Up

        Ha. Only place up for me would be a manager. And A) I’m pretty sure we don’t need 3 managers and B) I really don’t want to be a manager.

        • brian.only Nov 28,2012 2:41 pm || Up

          Management sucks if you actually like doing anything…

          • dmoas Nov 28,2012 2:44 pm || Up

            In this particular case the only difference between management and myself is that they probably get a little more money and ultimately have to be responsible for shit. Aside from that, there’s nothing special about it.

          • the llama Nov 29,2012 9:07 pm || Up

            They have to pay managers extra because otherwise who would put up with that level of bullshit.

        • Future Ed Nov 28,2012 3:00 pm || Up

          a friend of mine works for a hospital is IT, he applied for a lateral move to a different location. Unfortunatly for him there was a promotional position as a manager also available and they offered the manager one instead that he had to take. he thought if he turned it down they won’t higher him for the lateral

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
          • dmoas Nov 28,2012 3:08 pm || Up

            Yuck, that sucks. The VP back when he was temporarily managing the department decided well before I realized that I wasn’t cut out for it that I was never going to manage here (thankfully). Once I realized my dislike of dealing with people was a very good reason for me never to manage, I hated him less.

    • elcroata Nov 28,2012 9:38 pm || Up

      I observed a phenomena in my company that, on average, every 2 years two things happen. We have half the workforce and there is an additional person in my reporting line. I am making a bold prediction that by 2030s we will only have 19 employees and that 18 of them will be my bosses.

      Because survival is insufficient
      • ozzman99 Nov 28,2012 9:55 pm || Up

        I hear you’re having a problem with your TPS reports?

        • Future Ed Nov 28,2012 9:58 pm || Up

          Is your name Mike BOlton?

          I have $5. No I don\'t.
  19. MikeV Nov 28,2012 12:05 pm

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • dmoas Nov 28,2012 12:10 pm || Up

      No major surprise there.

    • desmarestia Nov 28,2012 12:12 pm || Up

      I’m ok with that. He’s a freaking beast!

    • ozzman99 Nov 28,2012 12:52 pm || Up

      I think we all expected that.

    • nevermoor Dec 3,2012 1:43 pm || Up

      Well, that sucked.

      Can we have the reliable QB back now?

      "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
      • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2012 1:57 pm || Up

        If there were ever a time for bringing in an anti-turnover game manager QB, up 10-2 late in the 4th would be it.

        • Glorious Mundy Dec 3,2012 1:58 pm || Up

          I tried to tell y’all. Or, more accurately, I linked to someone who tried to tell y’all.

        • ozzman99 Dec 3,2012 2:55 pm || Up

          Or, just hand the ball off to Gore, punt if necessary, and let the defense do what they’ve been doing all game long. Not trying to make an excuse for Kaepernick, that pitch was awful, but it was also a bonehead play selection.

          • nevermoor Dec 3,2012 6:55 pm || Up

            I mean, he gave STL all 10 of their important points.

            Alex wins that game 20-3.

            "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
            • MikeV Dec 3,2012 9:41 pm || Up

              or if Delanie Walker can fucking catch a ball that couldn’t have been set in his hands any better, we win 17-10.

              or if Delanie Walker doesn’t get called for a fucking holding penalty RIGHT AFTER DROPPING A TD PASS, Akers doesn’t miss a 40 yarder and we win 13-7.

              or if Akers makes a 51 yarder, we win 13-10.

              or if Ginn dives on teh ball instead of trying to pick up the fumble and run with it, they punt and the defense keeps dominating the game.

              Saying Kaepernick himself cost the game is about as bad as saying Kyle Williams himself cost the NFC Championship.

              And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

              Thanks, and go As.

              • dmoas Dec 3,2012 10:08 pm || Up

                Why can’t all of the above be true? Walker lost the game for them (though the pass should have been caught it wasn’t quite as easy as you suggest) and Akers lost the game (even though I think you’re expectations are unfairly raised based on last season as that’s never a guarantee kick). Ginn, quite frankly i think he was trying to dive on the ball, he had very little time to react on that one.

                • MikeV Dec 3,2012 10:16 pm || Up

                  Cause it gets really annoying when people try to pin a loss on one player.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • the llama Dec 3,2012 10:19 pm || Up

                  Jeremy Giambi

                • MikeV Dec 3,2012 10:22 pm || Up

                  Eric Byrnes

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • MikeV Dec 3,2012 10:23 pm || Up

                  oh wait no. Miguel Tejada.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • dmoas Dec 3,2012 10:40 pm || Up

                  Art Howe.

                • the llama Dec 3,2012 10:58 pm || Up

                  Tejada was the first name I typed.

                • dmoas Dec 3,2012 10:40 pm || Up

                  Some mistakes will always stand out in a close game. Fair or not, all the ones you listed could have changed the game and I’d bet if you tried a little harder you could pick out several more. Kaep’s pitch in the context of the game situation and the general amount of time he had to make the play stands out as the worst. Should the lost be pinned on him? Hell no. But was the mistake big? Yes. In context, it was very big. He took a bad snap (blame the center), rushed his pitch and chucked an ill-advised lateral (blame the OC) over Ginn’s head who then couldn’t scramble after it in time (blame Ginn) allowing someone on the defense to pick it up (blame the lineman who failed to block him) and they gave up 8 points as a result. But, in general, Kaep’s pitch is what stands out the most even if 6 or 7 players and at least one (probably 2) coaches were also to blame.

                • MikeV Dec 3,2012 10:42 pm || Up

                  I disagree. Even after that he orchestrated a game winning drive and threw the game winning TD pass.

                  Walker dropped it.

                  If he hadn’t, we would be hearing about how Kaepernick overcame an inexperienced mistake and led the team to victory.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • dmoas Dec 3,2012 10:46 pm || Up

                  Nah, that pass was not nearly as easy as you’re making it out to be. It should have been caught, but you only have so much time to react to a ball and he had just looked back when it was ready to be caught. It’s not easy to blindly catch a ball over the shoulder like that. He’d say he should have caught it and really, he should have, but it wasn’t like he was camping under it without any pressure and dropped it.

                • MikeV Dec 3,2012 10:49 pm || Up

                  He had it in his hands and dropped it. He did everything right except hang on to the ball.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • dmoas Dec 5,2012 9:44 am || Up

                  Yeah. But that’s like me flying through the death star dodging laser blasts and tie fighters and then missing the tiny little hole that would blow up the fking thing up. It’s not nearly as easy as it sounds and Walker is no jedi.

                • MikeV Dec 5,2012 9:49 am || Up

                  Eh, that’s a stretch. His job is to catch footballs, and you sir are no pilot.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • dmoas Dec 5,2012 12:57 pm || Up

                  I’ll have you know I was fking awesome at X-Wing & Tie Fighter. And holding onto a ball coming in from over your shoulder is tricky business.

                • ozzman99 Dec 6,2012 12:48 am || Up

                  I don’t know what evidence you have that WAlker isn’t a jedi, but I tend to believe that if you can get 2 hands on the ball, the onus is on you to hang on to it.

                • dmoas Dec 6,2012 5:25 pm || Up

                  So if, say, a 1000mph pass hits both your hands and you drop it, it’s on you?

                • ozzman99 Dec 6,2012 8:11 pm || Up

                  If a QB can throw the ball 1000 mph, I’m thinking this not being catchable issue shows up before an actual game. Plus, the A’s need to sign that guy.

                • dmoas Dec 7,2012 1:01 pm || Up

                  Agreed and agreed. My point was it’s not an all or nothing scenario. Depending on positioning, ball direction & speed, running direction in relationship to the ball, just because it hits the hands doesn’t mean it’s catchable.

                • ozzman99 Dec 7,2012 2:15 pm || Up

                  Fair enough. But in most cases, if you can get your hands on it you should catch it.

                • dmoas Dec 7,2012 2:21 pm || Up

                  Sure. I agree with that. I’d even go as far to say he *should* have caught that ball, just not to the point thinking it was a major gaffe not to have based on the level of difficulty. I think it’s fair to say MORE than 9 times out of 10 if you get your hands on the average ball you should catch it.

                • nevermoor Dec 3,2012 11:45 pm || Up

                  You’re completely ignoring the safety. No excuse for him running into the end zone there.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • MikeV Dec 4,2012 12:08 am || Up

                  Aside from the fact that it wasn’t actually a safety and he correctly threw the ball away?

                  Even if you ignore that, and put the safety and the fumble/TD on him, he put the team in the position to win the game twice after both of those incidents happened.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • nevermoor Dec 4,2012 12:12 am || Up

                  He snapped the ball at like the 15. Don’t run into the end zone there, and you’re fine.

                  My point was that Alex wouldn’t have put the team in a position to lose.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • MikeV Dec 4,2012 12:32 am || Up

                  Because he’s never fumbled a ball or made a bad play before?

                  Did you miss the first 5 years of his damn career?

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • nevermoor Dec 4,2012 8:42 am || Up

                  He’s never made those bad plays before, and his whole schtick now is not going for great plays and never making bad ones.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • ozzman99 Dec 4,2012 1:40 pm || Up

                  St. Louis’ defensive gameplan was to make Kaepernick play like Alex Smith, and there’s not doubt that he can’t out-Alex Smith Alex Smith. So sure, if you knew going in that the Rams would effectively take away your big play ability, then Smith would be the better choice.

                  Of course, if the OL could’ve found Gore any kind of running room, QB play wouldn’t matter. Or if it occurred to anyone that a screen pass might burn those 7 and 8 man rushes, the game would look very different. Regardless of Kaepernick’s play, the 49ers got out-coached in this one.

                • elcroata Dec 4,2012 1:58 am || Up

                  I’ll admit I haven’t seen the game. But to me it sounds as if you like the guy and want to give him the sole credit for the plays where he was involved and that went well, as opposed to share the credit on the plays that went bad. But FK do I know…

                  Because survival is insufficient
                • MikeV Dec 4,2012 7:43 am || Up

                  Not really, no. It’s more that everyone seems to want to blame him for the entire loss because of 2 plays, ignoring the fact that they still had multiple chances to win even though the plays took place.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • nevermoor Dec 4,2012 8:44 am || Up

                  I mean, QBs get credit/blame for a lot of the way the offense performs. It’s how the NFL works. Dude directly gave the other team 9/10 points, and only got his offense to score 13 against the Rams.

                  That’s a really bad day when you’re in a QB struggle, and I find it hard to believe Alex would not have done significantly better.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • MikeV Dec 4,2012 8:53 am || Up

                  OK, I’m done with this. Circular argument is circular.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • nevermoor Dec 4,2012 9:56 am || Up

                  Fair enough. Do we know anything about next week yet? I assume at this point there’s no backsies, so hopefully this was a learning experience and someone in St. Louis has bizarrely great anti-SF mojo

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • MikeV Dec 4,2012 10:39 am || Up

                  already announced Kaepernick is starting, if that’s what you mean

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • nevermoor Dec 4,2012 12:19 pm || Up

                  It is. I’m not current on these things.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • dmoas Dec 5,2012 9:48 am || Up

                  Well, that’s bullshit. NO ONE is pinning this loss solely on him. Hell Harbaugh accepted the blame because he didn’t overrule that dumb play to begin with. But he was directly involved two of the Rams’ biggest scoring plays and if not for those two (and he more than two bad plays) they win. Big deal. Other mistakes happened, other people were absolutely involved in both those mistakes too.

                • MikeV Dec 5,2012 9:53 am || Up

                  No one?

                  We must be reading different internets.

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • dmoas Dec 5,2012 12:58 pm || Up

                  Might be. I don’t tend to stray into the insane forums.

                • nevermoor Dec 5,2012 2:46 pm || Up

                  He says, lacking any awareness of the irony

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • dmoas Dec 6,2012 5:26 pm || Up

                  Plenty of awareness… muhahaha… plenty…

                • nevermoor Dec 3,2012 11:44 pm || Up

                  Sure, but when a team scores 13 points in regulation, and 10 are because the QB (1) ran WAY too far backwards into his own end zone and (2) can’t throw a shovel pass, it’s pretty fair to say the solid unspectacular QB would have been better.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • ozzman99 Dec 4,2012 1:47 pm || Up

                  Running all the way back into the end zone was a big mistake, but getting called for intentional grounding when he didn’t intentionally ground is out of his control.

                  Anyway, Smith is as good as he’ll ever be. Kaepernick has the tools to be better. If the coaching staff feels that further development requires playing time, might as well get him in there now. There won’t be a better time to make the switch.

                • nevermoor Dec 4,2012 2:05 pm || Up

                  I agree with the upside point. Hard to say whether there’s a better time, though. This is a team with SB upside.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • ozzman99 Dec 6,2012 12:53 am || Up

                  Well, they’re doing a good job locking up key players, so there’s a good chance they’ll stay a contender for years. I could see an argument for keeping him on the bench and waiting until next year, thereby giving him a full training camp, but I’d argue that over the course of half a season or so, his play is likely to even out. I mean, even if you want to pin this loss on him, there’s just as much chance that he’ll make a few plays Smith can’t make that win a game at some point.

                • nevermoor Dec 6,2012 12:45 pm || Up

                  That’s not how football works. These guys are going to get old, and fast. Carlos Rodgers, for example, looks like he’s a season or two from useless. Gore has a TON of miles. Justin Smith isn’t a spring chicken. Etc. And one of these seasons we’ll get too many critical injuries.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • MikeV Dec 6,2012 1:00 pm || Up

                  Rodgers is replaceable. Hell, Culliver and Brown are both starting caliber.

                  Gore’s replacements are already on the team in Hunter and LMJ.

                  HEY YOU STFU JUSTIN SMITH IS A ROBOTIC FREAK OF NATURE WHO WILL NEVER EVER QUIT PLAYING

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • ozzman99 Dec 6,2012 8:12 pm || Up

                  There’s nothing disputable here.

                • nevermoor Dec 7,2012 12:56 am || Up

                  I’m just saying, NFL windows are different from MLB windows.

                  Staley’s due for another 5-week injury one of these seasons, we’ve already lost our kicker, etc. etc.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • MikeV Dec 7,2012 8:50 am || Up

                  Yeah. I’m kinda upset that we didn’t sign Kai Forbath to replace Akers, but the Redskins got him

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

                • the llama Dec 7,2012 9:50 pm || Up

                  This is a blog with SBN upside

                • nevermoor Dec 7,2012 9:54 pm || Up

                  FK you too.

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • the llama Dec 7,2012 9:55 pm || Up

                  We’ve gotten good at needling you over the years.

                • nevermoor Dec 7,2012 10:48 pm || Up

                  Indeed

                  "There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want"
                • dmoas Dec 8,2012 12:21 am || Up

                  It’s good preparation for when littlemoor grows up.

                • Glorious Mundy Dec 10,2012 9:52 am || Up

                  Speaking of SBN, they’re running radio ads now during NFL broadcasts on Westwood One or whatever it’s called now. The kind of ad where the announcer reads the copy in between plays. It was weird.

                • batgirl Dec 11,2012 6:44 am || Up

                  Barbasol!

                • Glorious Mundy Dec 11,2012 9:36 am || Up

                  Close shave, America…close shave Barbasol!

          • dmoas Dec 3,2012 10:05 pm || Up

            Yes to all of the above. Horribly shitty pitch that should have been made and a play that never in a million years should have been called in that situation.

      • MikeV Dec 3,2012 3:43 pm || Up

        I’ll settle for the reliable kicker and not calling a FKing pitch to a WR on 3rd and 3 right in front of the end zone.

        And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

        Thanks, and go As.

        • Dial C for Concupiscence Dec 3,2012 5:33 pm || Up

          Yeah, we do still win that game if Akers can make a field goal longer than 35 yards.

          Also, Ginn is terrible at recovering fumbles. It seems like he always tries to pick it up from a position of being able to run after rather than just diving on it right away.

          • ozzman99 Dec 3,2012 5:53 pm || Up

            That was a huge mistake on Ginn’s part. But there were plenty of mistakes in that game.

  20. brian.only Nov 28,2012 12:56 pm

    Looks like the Reds are moving Chapman to the rotation, so does that mean a drop to a 11 or 12 K/9?
    His 15.32 K/9, 2.89 B/9, 1.89 xFIP over 71.2 innings has me a bit jealous of Cincy, not to mention he’s only 24.

    Then again they are counting on Broxton to take over closing duties so we’ll see.

    • MikeV Nov 28,2012 1:02 pm || Up

      Just imagine if we’d gotten him and not FKed him around by having him in the bullpen

      jfc.

      And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

      Thanks, and go As.

      • brian.only Nov 28,2012 1:05 pm || Up

        IKR, talk about short-sightedness.

      • ozzman99 Nov 28,2012 2:02 pm || Up

        Do you mean imagine the prospects Billy would’ve dealt him for last year?

        • brian.only Nov 28,2012 2:09 pm || Up

          IIRC we were pretty close to winning the bidding war after he defected but beat out by the Reds so just money spent no loss of prospects.

          • brian.only Nov 28,2012 2:09 pm || Up

            I think there was another team in on it so it was a 3 way?

            • brian.only Nov 28,2012 2:18 pm || Up

              Okay a little research shows it was us, Reds, and a mystery team.
              Reds got him for 6yrs $30.25M, of w/ $16M was a signing bonus, oh man…
              2012 got him 3.6 WAR (b-ref) in the closer spot.

              • ozzman99 Nov 28,2012 2:20 pm || Up

                Yeah, well. We still got Ynoa, so there!

                • brian.only Nov 28,2012 2:22 pm || Up

                  [heartburn ensues]

                  Did I see he went on the 40 man this year?
                  Does that mean anything or just protection.

                • dmoas Nov 28,2012 2:40 pm || Up

                  Protection. Quite frankly, they should have left him exposed. No one’s taking a risk on him.

  21. brian.only Nov 28,2012 1:01 pm

    Also Chone Figgins was released today, which essentially makes him a $1/2M crapshoot, I really really hope Billy can resist.
    Was pretty blown away by his 7.5 WAR in 2009, nutso, crap luck for the Mariners.

  22. batgirl Nov 28,2012 1:47 pm

    Who’s got two thumbs and a ticket to the pac 12 championship game?? This moi.

    • ozzman99 Nov 28,2012 2:02 pm || Up

      You’re going to the UCLA game? Are you taking Caltrain?

    • Soaker Nov 28,2012 3:07 pm || Up

      While I’m not going to actively root for Stanford, I’d certainly prefer that they win rather than Fucla, because I do enjoy watching the Rose Bowl every year and Fucla would get blown out by whichever team they face.

      Try to stay somewhat dry. I’ll be at Boise State-Nevada on Saturday and that could be wet as well, though unusually warm for the time of year.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • Future Ed Nov 28,2012 3:21 pm || Up

        As we used to say waiting in registration lines at the admin building, “You cant get fucked without the ‘UC’ getting in the middle”

        I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • batgirl Nov 28,2012 5:33 pm || Up

        The weather does look like it might be a bit gloomy on Friday.

  23. MikeV Nov 28,2012 2:04 pm

    YAY!

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • brian.only Nov 28,2012 2:10 pm || Up

      Hells yeah, funky pants delivery service ftw!

    • Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2012 2:14 pm || Up

      The entire 7-man bullpen will be back next season, barring a trade. That seems unusual.

    • Kay Nov 28,2012 3:45 pm || Up

      Good. He’s got his shit together out there on that mound and I look forward to a good season from him.

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
  24. Future Ed Nov 28,2012 2:06 pm

    AV/Colinbait

    The Minutemen – “Double Nickles On The Dime” (SST Records)
    Side A: “Arena Rock Is The New Wave”
    Side B: “Punk Rock Is The New Nostalgia”
    Side C: “Dance Rock Is The New Pasture”
    Side D: “Chump Rock Is The New Cool”

    pour a little out of d. boone, ahead of the curve

    I have $5. No I don\'t.
    • Kay Nov 28,2012 3:45 pm || Up

      Amen.

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • colin Nov 28,2012 6:47 pm || Up

      I love runout etchings. They have them noted for lots of releases on discogs, though the number of records with boring etchings greatly outnumbers the interesting ones.

      From the site you linked, I am also fond of:

      Minor Threat – “Out of Step” (Dischord)
      Side A: Why did the punk cross the road?
      Side B: Because Ian told him to.

      LOL… the whole story of straight edge right there.

  25. brian.only Nov 28,2012 2:38 pm

    Mind imploded, 17 billion solar masses, INCONCEIVABLE!

  26. MikeV Nov 28,2012 2:50 pm

    Wait, wait wait wait.

    The esteemed hot chick who I still have a truce with and love has brought it to my attention that while Towny is now doing the afternoon drive and we are sans-Tierney, the new guy doing Dugout, A’s Talk, and Pre/Post game is

    THE FUCKING GIANTS AAA ANNOUNCER???

    And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

    Thanks, and go As.

    • Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2012 2:54 pm || Up

      I’m fine with this as long as he’s good at his job. It’s not like Townsend gave two shits about the A’s before he got the gig. Of course there is already someone who is good at this who loves the A’s and who already works at the station, but whatever.

      • dmoas Nov 28,2012 3:10 pm || Up

        I didn’t know Wac worked for the station now…

      • Kylianna Nov 28,2012 3:20 pm || Up

        Hell, even if they didn’t go with the obvious choice, I’d rather see Roxy B be given custody of A’s Talk before someone new.

        • Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2012 3:23 pm || Up

          Maaaaybe. I dig Roxy’s PBP work for Cal, but he always seemed a little awkward on A’s Talk. Maybe just a matter of needing more reps. Tittle was the obvious choice. He has very stupid opinions sometimes, but dude is a pro at the format.

          • Kylianna Nov 28,2012 3:30 pm || Up

            Yeah, Roxy’s not my favorite, but I feel like he’s okay and could get used to A’s Talk once he learned to just sit back and let the drunk callers ride.

            Not giving it to Tittle is just stupid. He and CT are the only ones on The Game that even know how to deal with calls, let alone a show that’s pretty much just callers + interviews.

            I am unpleased about what this may mean for the glorious Holiday Inn events next year. >:(

            • desmarestia Nov 28,2012 5:03 pm || Up

              Tittle needs to go apologize to whomever he pissed off! I want him on air especially during baseball season!! Bringing in the Fresno AAA person = BLOWS

              • Kylianna Nov 28,2012 5:08 pm || Up

                I’m curious whether they’ll have a Towny-esque schedule for New Guy, where he’ll have the weekends off (and hopefully we’ll at least continue to have Tittle for our weekend A’s Talk)

                • desmarestia Nov 28,2012 5:14 pm || Up

                  I don’t know but it worries me when they mess around with the schedule and then start bringing in “new” people…especially when their fanbase asks over and over again for that same thing. Irritating as FK

    • Kylianna Nov 28,2012 3:12 pm || Up

      Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah.

      I just really want to know if someone can confirm whether I’m crazy or not, if this guy was subbing in a month or so back or not, I think I was talking with… Deborah, maybe?… about the guy who was on one Friday in October. I could swear his name was Guy, and he was so. fucking. terrible. I am hoping I am hallucinating because it was epic levels of bad, I couldn’t even listen just to laugh. Maybe there’s another Guy? I hope?

      …And after searching through FB archives and Eyleen asking who Guy Haberman is back in October, I’m thinking it’s the same dude who had 8 second pauses after every. single. sentence.

    • Soaker Nov 28,2012 3:15 pm || Up

      “Fucking Giants AAA Announcer” is on Ken Korach’s resume as well.

      What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
      • Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2012 3:18 pm || Up

        Not the sort of thing I would put on a resume, but I guess it is a skill.

        • beebo Nov 28,2012 3:20 pm || Up

          …but is it a job title, or a skill?

        • Soaker Nov 28,2012 3:22 pm || Up

          Ken does get around. In 2013 he will be fucking Mets AAA Manager of Baseball Administration. Last year he was fucking Blue Jays AAA Manager of Baseball Administration.

          What I discovered Blew. My. Mind. -- Pat Boone
          • Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2012 3:28 pm || Up

            I don’t know how he finds the time, honestly.

      • Kay Nov 28,2012 3:46 pm || Up

        Phoenix, tho.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
    • Kylianna Nov 28,2012 3:18 pm || Up

      Number of tweets by @GuyHaberman about the A’s since August 31st: 0

      • nobody in particular Nov 28,2012 5:00 pm || Up

        The best part is when the Entercom corporate know-nothings get the ratings, showing them at 0.1 and KNBR miles above them at the top, and they tell themselves in their pathetic little echo chamber that they are on the right track and it’s only a matter of time before they catch the competition. Is there any bigger or better example of human pathos and obsolescence than these guys? They might as well be selling tomatoes, such is the lack of visible expertise or sensitivity to their audience they show.

        I guess the truth is they don’t WANT their audience because just as with the talking animal that owns the A’s, they associate Oakland and the East Bay and A’s fans as we exist in general as poor welfare recipients that just don’t have the credit ratings of their Panda-hatted counterparts in KNBR-land (or their cash-crapping bejeweled benefactors-to-be in Silicon Valley). Yes, we are all on Food Stamps, SSI, Welfare, all of it guys!!! Nothing at all like the 60 MILLION DOLLARS — 25 of it from the MLB TV deal — that Lew Wolff is about to receive and presumably spend on further campaigns to END THE MINIMUM WAGE. Nothing like that kind of welfare at all, nope.

        What we have in this country — and this world for that matter — is what you get when the power possessors in question begin to live in a sealed fantasy world, and one that is reinforced in their addled brains by everyone around them at all times who’ll say ANYTHING the power possessors wish to hear so that they can continue to get to be in the presence of the power possessors. Then the power possessors act upon the glowing tributes they have received from their sycophantic minions and take actions which, to the rest of us not doped up on this particular high, appear as the ravings of people completely disconnected from objective, observable reality as those of us not subject to this particular type of disingenuous lovefest understand it to be.

        If we fail to save our world from these sort of people or take some impactful measures to curtail the control and dominion over us they seek in all their machinations to establish, they will eradicate a life worth living from this planet within our lifetimes.

        Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
        • desmarestia Nov 28,2012 5:06 pm || Up

          Come on, tell us how you really feel lol. ;)

          • nobody in particular Nov 28,2012 5:49 pm || Up

            You can laugh all you want, but rest assured that thousands of years from now, we will be looked upon as we now look upon the Aztecs and the Maya.

            That is to say, as brutal, psychotic barbarians barely above the level of animals, but that just happened to be pretty good at math.

            Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
            • Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2012 5:52 pm || Up

              The primary historical evidence will be the decisions of program directors at poorly rated sports radio stations.

              • nobody in particular Nov 28,2012 6:16 pm || Up

                That is just the symptom, one among a hundred billion symptoms of a terminal disease.

                It amounts to one of the central truths of what Karl Marx (of all people) talked about — that Capital is Failed Labor. For Entercom to come in here to this market and try to establish a foothold with a damaged brand like the Oakland Athletics for which they are the flagship, that takes work. The A’s have been on what? 412 stations since 1972, and the Giants have been on ONE? It’s a tall order and a HUGE, perhaps unprecedented degree of creativity and diligent, backbreaking work is necessary to even have a PRAYER of succeeding where KNBR has has a 40-year headstart and currently promotes a brand that is at the tippity top of its power in this region since it arrived here in 1958.

                So they roll in here with the $$ (that’s the Capital) to start what will be a tough task (that’s the Labor), and what do they do? They go for the EASY out, the (failed) easy interpretation of what they have in front of them. Just as Wolff sees the cash-crapping, bejeweled benefactors-to-be of Silicon Valley as his salvation from the poor losers of the East Bay, so do the Entercom guys see San Francisco and everywhere NOT Oakland and the East side. They broadcast out of SF and have a delusional image in their heads that the West Bay (and the South, I guess, based on what they must be told by A’s ownership) is where their golden pastures of green lay, so they pander at every conceivable opportunity to the people over there, never considering that those people have had a station — and one that reaches from Canada to Mexico to Utah, at that — for 40 years and they aren’t gonna change. What it amounts to is that the Entercom concept is a reactive one, the autonomic, easy response of “the Giants are successful and the A’s are obsolete, so we must promote the Giants because that’s what everyone wants and if we want those people we have to do it this way”. Never considering that those people already have their Fox News, their propaganda outlet of all time in KNBR, and that the Entercom task, difficult as it might appear, is to help build the ATHLETICS brand back to long term sustainability and prosperity.

                I don’t see that The Game, using this reactive idea where a more presciently responsive one — one that entails doing what seems the impossible task (it only seems that way, it’s not) of elevating the fallen A’s back to relevance and prominence in the face of the Giants’ burgeoning domination of the region — survives any longer than the other, countless failed attempts at A’s-flagship-status by stations up and down the dial we have seen come and go.

                Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 28,2012 7:22 pm || Up

                  1. I think The Game is doing a better job covering the A’s than any radio station since Ken Pries worked for KSFO.

                  2. The dying medium of radio is a poor test case of the power of Capital in the twenty-first century.

                  3. How do all you people find so much time to listen to sports talk radio? Besides immediate pre- and post-game I can’t take more than five minutes.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • nobody in particular Nov 28,2012 7:34 pm || Up

                  1. Is a testimony to the last 45 years of ineptitude on low-power, garbage ghetto radio outlets.

                  2. I agree, it was only meant to illustrate what KGMZ will fail, not as a test case for the rest of civilization that suffers from the same fear of innovation and blind addiction to the oxymoron of “conventional wisdom” and desire for credibility bestowed by those who patently lack it themselves that is currently ensuring our species goes the way of the dinosaurs.

                  3. I never listen, why bother? But I just called Rick Tittle and let him know we all think it ought to have been him, and he truly appreciated the support and what I had to say about what happened today.

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • dmoas Nov 28,2012 8:00 pm || Up

                  You realize that if everyone tried to innovate, there’d be no such thing as innovation since nothing would be truly new… and everyone would be out of business because deep down, people go to great lengths to maintain the status quo. You see it as some failure of capitalism when it’s simply a deeply rooted, psychologically ingrained part of being human. Humans, not businesses, fear change.

                • nobody in particular Nov 28,2012 8:30 pm || Up

                  We live in an infinite universe that we have failed to explore because depriving each other is more imporatant to us than enriching each other may ever be. Look at the Moon, why have we not been back since 1972, or at least not in a declassified way? You’d think there’d be quite a lot to discover up there, enough to tide us over for a few decades at least, but since 1972 we don’t even acknowledge being there officially.

                  I definitely agree though M, that Capital is just the symptom-as-system, and the motivations and impulses that are resulting is us as a species generating failed, oligarchical/hierarchical systems that effectively enslave us to their dogma are indicative of a basic fear or series of primal fears inside of us that goes way way deeper than just Adam Smith’s The Wealth of Nations.

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • Bed Nov 28,2012 8:41 pm || Up

                  Is there really anything of real value on the Moon? I guess I’ve just never found space travel all that interesting.

                  But seriously, folks....
                • Future Ed Nov 28,2012 8:44 pm || Up

                  ” frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen>

                  I have $5. No I don\'t.
                • nobody in particular Nov 28,2012 8:47 pm || Up

                  The Moon is the closest celestial body that we have that isn’t Earth, and thus you’d think that the people who ARE interested in space travel would be all about examining it from every conceivable angle and scientific perspective, lest it render unto them irreplaceable and essential understanding of our own world and our evolving Cosmic Context in the greater Universe.

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • Bed Nov 28,2012 8:49 pm || Up

                  I just always figured it was a cost thing as far as why we haven’t gone back.

                  But seriously, folks....
                • nobody in particular Nov 28,2012 9:00 pm || Up

                  Oh, we’ve gone back. Probably poking around up there right now, looking for weapons so we can re-enact The Andromeda Strain all over each other.

                  We’ve been back, Brian. We just haven’t been told when, why and what has been found or developed up there.

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • dmoas Nov 29,2012 6:00 am || Up

                  Yeah, no.

                • colin Nov 28,2012 9:00 pm || Up

                  Very much a cost thing. There is interesting research to do on the moon for sure, but we suffer from an abundance of interesting things to research and not enough money/researchers to pursue them all.

                • nobody in particular Nov 28,2012 9:09 pm || Up

                  Might be time then to take the preponderance of resources out of destructive military pursuits of domination and put them into stuff that doesn’t guarantee our going along with our own suicide, I am just saying.

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • colin Nov 29,2012 12:44 pm || Up

                  @nip I won’t argue with that… especially since it would help guarantee my paycheck!

                • nobody in particular Nov 28,2012 8:43 pm || Up

                  I will say this though: Capital is by far the most toxic, guaranteeing-of-extinction system we have yet propagated because of two central factors IMO.

                  1) Capital demands for its sustenance and efficacy the infinite expansion of the resource pool from which it needs profit. We live on a finite planet with finite resources that can no longer sustain this irrational demand. And…

                  2) Capital, more than any other system yet devised, has the means and the motive to advertise itself in the world of ideas as the Only Perfect Way to Live; it has, through technology that has revolutionized the distribution and inculcation of propaganda into the population at unprecedented levels that border on control of consciousness, sealed the exits or convinced us that there is no need for exits to begin with.

                  When combined, these two factors go a long way towards rendering us as sentient entities at the individual and collective levels seemingly incapable of coming to the realization that Capital as a system has ZERO credibility and will result in our exhaustion of the planetary resources upon which we rely and depend and the eventual extinction of us as a factor in this biosystem. That is my concern, and I sincerely worry that so many of us are so immersed in this way of organizing and thinking about resources that we can’t see the brick wall that lays ahead of us.

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • Bed Nov 28,2012 8:50 pm || Up

                  For years I’ve been wanting to ask you…who are a couple writers or thinkers who have informed your world view?

                  But seriously, folks....
                • nobody in particular Nov 28,2012 9:25 pm || Up

                  writers:
                  Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
                  Wilhelm Reich
                  G.I. Gurdjieff
                  R. Buckminster Fuller
                  Naomi Klein
                  Robert Anton Wilson

                  musicians and filmmakers:
                  Robert Fripp
                  Charlie Parker
                  Brian Eno
                  John Cassavetes
                  Pier Paolo Pasolini
                  Maya Deren

                  other walks of life:
                  John Lilly
                  Hugh M. Hefner
                  Fred Hampton, Sr.
                  Robert F. Kennedy
                  Terence McKenna
                  Andy Warhol

                  There’s 6 of each, intentional cuz I am THE DEVIL!!!!!

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • Bed Nov 28,2012 9:28 pm || Up

                  Interesting list…of course I would have been shocked if it wasn’t an interesting list because you’re an interesting thinker. I enjoy reading what you have to say on things. I like to read what people who may see the world differently than me have to say.

                  But seriously, folks....
                • nobody in particular Nov 28,2012 9:32 pm || Up

                  me too

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • Kay Nov 28,2012 9:10 pm || Up

                  I’m pro-human extinction as long as we create our replacement and it’s better than us.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • Bed Nov 28,2012 9:12 pm || Up

                  pfft…ain’t nobody better than me y’all.

                  But seriously, folks....
                • Dial C for Concupiscence Nov 29,2012 11:16 am || Up

                  That’s why I’m pro-human extinction (non-Bed category)

                • nobody in particular Nov 28,2012 11:42 pm || Up

                  The people who come after us in a few generations will totally get that we were all pro-extinction. No need to worry about that.

                  Never suck on a Blow Pop with the microphone open.
                • Kay Nov 29,2012 7:31 am || Up

                  Basically, until such time as we live in a constant state of orgasmic bliss, we’re gonna have conflict and problems.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • dmoas Nov 29,2012 9:58 am || Up

                  Even then, I’m sure we’ll find something to fight about. But you’re right, we’ll never reach peace without the constant euphoria of orgasmic bliss.

                • Kay Nov 29,2012 3:51 pm || Up

                  and as soon as we reach that point, we’re useless as workers/do-ers. That’s why I think we’ll end up living in server farms as non-corporeal entities. This is where somebody usually mentions The Matrix, and whoever it is, I pre-emptively cut them off by saying human fleshbags are not efficient batteries, and Lana Wachowski is super hot.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • dmoas Nov 29,2012 8:05 pm || Up

                  What if we’re cpus instead of batteries? We’re pretty high tech processors.

                • Kay Nov 29,2012 9:22 pm || Up

                  I can buy that.

                  \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
                • desmarestia Nov 28,2012 8:22 pm || Up

                  FSU: They talk about my boobs, so I find it highly entertaining. ;) LMAO (just kidding – they only did that once – that I know of). Anyway I pick and choose what (or rather who) I listen to. Towny & Tittle crack me up so I’ll usually tune in to any show they are doing if I’m in the car or have some free time. I also listen to them and Gerrie on SportsBylineUSA….though Towny & Gerrie are more comedy – though they do talk sports.

                • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 28,2012 8:38 pm || Up

                  In that case, sign me up for the simulcast.

                  "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
                • desmarestia Nov 28,2012 8:53 pm || Up

                  you got it babe! LOL

                • MikeV Nov 29,2012 1:05 am || Up

                  *perks up*

                  And I have to say: mikev is one of my favorite people on here -slusser.

                  Thanks, and go As.

  27. Glorious Mundy Nov 28,2012 3:12 pm

    Russell Martin wants to play SS for Canada in the WBC. If he can do it, surely Cespedes can too.

    Also, Kottaras is apparently Canadian and on their roster. The more you know.

    • Kylianna Nov 28,2012 3:19 pm || Up

      Kottaras is HELLA Canadian.

      The leopard underwear proves it.

    • Future Ed Nov 28,2012 3:23 pm || Up

      cool, they can have someone drop pitches in a must win game

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
  28. FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 28,2012 7:33 pm

    Craggs provides another good Marvin Miller appreciation, making the astute observation that MLB has had labor peace relative to other leagues precisely because it has the only reliably strong union.

    The player lockouts of recent vintage have all been, at bottom, intramural conflicts between the owners—big markets vs. small markets, NFL teams with old stadiums vs. NFL teams with new ones—projected outward onto the help. Unwilling to slap each other around for money, owners chose to bully it out of the players instead. They did it because they could, and they could do it because they were going up against historically weak player unions…

    But baseball? Consider what MLB did in its CBA year, while every other league was tying its sport to the railroad tracks. Rather than launch a destructive proxy war against the players, the owners quietly went about resolving their own internal differences. The result was an agreement in 2011 whose central achievements included a luxury tax on amateur draft spending and an ingenious new wild-card format. The former offered some protection to baseball’s aggrieved small-market teams against the spending power of the big markets, while the latter gave strong incentive to those same small market teams—even the deciduous, salary-shedding A’s—not to quit on their customers when July rolled around. Meanwhile, in return for a more open and unruly postseason, big spenders like the Yankees got significant luxury-tax relief.

    "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Future Ed Nov 28,2012 8:04 pm || Up

      Is it a universal belief that the lux tax is something that will benefit small markets?

      or that its good for baseball in general?

      I have $5. No I don\'t.
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 28,2012 8:40 pm || Up

        I seem to recall the draftniks around here being split on their speculation of what the new tax’s effect would be.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
    • Bed Nov 28,2012 8:43 pm || Up

      Well, the baseball union is clearly the strongest in all of sports. I’m not sure any of the others are even a close second.

      But seriously, folks....
      • FreeSeatUpgrade Nov 28,2012 8:47 pm || Up

        The lameness of pro football’s union has always saddened me.

        "Kraut will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no kraut."
        • Bed Nov 28,2012 8:51 pm || Up

          The football union is so weak that I often wonder what purpose it serves?

          But seriously, folks....
  29. ozzman99 Nov 29,2012 9:20 am

    So, Jimi Hendrix would’ve fit in really nicely around here.

    • ozzman99 Nov 29,2012 9:21 am || Up

      Maybe that should have an NSFW warning. If so, NSFW!

    • Kay Nov 29,2012 10:59 am || Up

      You mean there’s a DIFFERENCE between playing guitar and masturbating? That’s news to me!

      \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS
      • ozzman99 Nov 29,2012 6:47 pm || Up

        Not to FKers, which is why he’d fit in.

    • Glorious Mundy Nov 29,2012 6:53 pm || Up

      Show of hands: how many clicked on the last link in that article?

      • ozzman99 Nov 29,2012 6:54 pm || Up

        [raises hand]

      • Kay Nov 29,2012 8:06 pm || Up

        I’ve seen that in a book before. Cynthia Plaster Caster was an interesting person.

        \"Weren\'t you already aware the Kay is already writing everyone\'s story? We\'re all just characters who believe we are real. Things make more sense now, don\'t they. Be honest.\"- DMOAS

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